So, AI art. That is, art that's been created through artificial intelligence. The method has spawned plenty of heated debate in recent times as AI art has developed, and grown dramatically in terms of popularity; some believe that AI-driven work can reinforce existing projects, while others think that it's a genuine threat to creativity on multiple levels.
It's interesting, then, that video game developers are starting to discuss the often controversial process. And it's especially interesting when it's someone with ties to Persona — one of the most artistically accomplished properties in gaming.
In a recent interview (as reported by Persona Central), Persona producer Kazuhisa Wada says that he's personally interested in the progress of AI. "I think the technology behind AI illustrations will be very useful in the future. For example, when coming up with rough ideas, an AI can continuously output one idea after another, something that a single artist might struggle with," Wada explains.
Just before anyone grabs their pitchforks, it's important to note that Wada seems to be talking about the early process of creating concept art, rather than using AI to drive the artistic direction of something. He continues: "So I think that for early concept and idea formation, we could use AI right away. Our art team has been talking about wanting to implement AI."
We can understand where Wada's coming from, at least from a workload perspective, but we'd be intrigued to hear what artists — or specifically concept artists — have to say on the matter.
Does the implementation of AI art seem inevitable in game development going forward? Would you welcome it, or are you against it? Start planning for the future in the comments section below.
[source personacentral.com, via thegamer.com]
No just no that's a bad idea
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Nope. Screw this AI trend happening. Creating AI "art" (if you even wanna call it that), means proper artists with real skills are most likely gonna loose their jobs which is terrible.
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It's really fascinating that we've reached this point in technology's progression that this is an actual article, and it's completely legit and not a gag or anything.
It's just another tool at the end of the day. Creatives will find ways they can use it just as with any other.
Now if only Chat-GPT could sit in on my endless Zoom calls.
I’d welcome it honestly. Things are far too generic currently. Now, sure, a large part of that is just because publishers push what they know sells, but it’s also that there is a lot of homogeny within the industry. I think this would lead to more variety of ideas that could be taken up.
Also, I don’t think anything will be lost (apart from jobs perhaps, but people always need to re-skill), and by that I mean that even human creators are just using things they have experienced or can imagine from their limited life perspective. By allowing creation from a much wider sample set I do think things can only improve at that early stage.
At the later stage, when actual final products are made for people, an understanding of humanity is necessary, and it’s hard to know whether we’ll ever get there.
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I get the potential benefits here. He's talking about speeding up pre-production, where an AI can create thousands of pieces in the time it would take an artist to make a few. The benefit is immeasurable. But what is the cost? Where is the end?
In the short term a concept artist either loses their job OR (and I've read threads about exactly this) they are stuck typing prompts into AI - as an artist myself I cant imagine the degradation someone might feel feeding your work personally to a machine.
In the long run, well, maybe they see how handy AI is and start delegating more and more work to it. Also, none of this touches on the fact the AI is copying other people's work 24/7.
I imagine real artists will iterate on the ai creations.
I can picture a tinder like app where a team of creative humans will be swiping right on or saving the ai creations they like. Then they will tweak them to their liking later if needed or make their own design based on something that inspired them.
When we have actual artificial intelligence with the equivalent of self-awareness, imagination and will to create, then we can talk AI art. Until then, going by that name is the analogue of "incorrect quotes generator" and other toolsets whose ultimate purpose and entertainment value remains in the ease and speed of spontaneous or guided mashups. Which is also what Wada-san appears to be discussing here.
It's certainly concerning. Especially considering how beautiful Persona is artistically. Anything that could potentially negatively impact that beauty is something I would not want.
That said it does seem inevitable that AI is going to get very common across everything. Not just video games. So we will just have to...I don't know...see where it goes I guess?🤷♂️
BREAKING: Art director suggests using a new art technology to do art.
@nhSnork That can’t happen. A computer can’t feel no matter how good an imitation we make.
I like how the header image for the article is just Joker put through Photoshop's liquify lol.
Anyways the whole ai thing is funny when used for humor.
@koffing the thing is that it is technology but that isn't art, if there isn't love and hard work in it it's just a picture. Most people won't give a ***** obviously LOL. But if someone claims they "love" Persona or Atlus or any studio or franchise they better want love in every part of the project.
Just look how generic the Peguin from the mobile game looks and it isn't AI yet LOL. If they start pushing this just as a way to be a game factory the things that are going to come from that are going to be even worst.
@Jaz007 then such things will forever be toolsets rather than "competitors".
@themightyant Not too far from reality. I heard a connection of mine is working at a company being able to summarize the results of hour long meetings in bite sized articles!
@Deadlyblack I was going to give Joker eight fingers on one hand or something, but it would have taken too long!
So we are seeing a few recent stories surrounding AI in the gaming space. Writing and now art. We already know that procedural generation is widely used and that AI up scaling, and technical polishing occurs.
In my opinion procedural generation is garbage and has resulted in some, not all, but some,.. really bland and half baked gameplay loops in my opinion. It works for rogue likes if one has the stomach for repetitive grinding in repetitive areas. Yet in open world games it takes the character, life, and tailored world design and replaces it with something of far less quality. Slap on AI art and writing. I just don't know....
If the trend becomes some sort of automated game design, once an art form. Mind you, I assume then you will be charging less for titles where large chunks of the creation was done via AI, as you conveniently Don't have to pay a substandard wage for it and force crunch?
I think if you started with AI created concept art and let the concept come to full fruition with all the time, and tools necessary to do so that could be interesting. However, let's be real here, these options are being explored or used for the sole reason to save money and thus produce higher returns to shareholders and executives.
With the current predation in the gaming sector, automation and cost cutting will not produce better quality products, and will likely stifle innovation and deal the final. Blows to a medium that is largely killing creativity in the pursuit of profit.
Crazy how far AI could go. I mean one day we might just be able to say 'make an RPG for me like final fantasy' and it might just do it.
Ais about to make some severe shockwaves I'm sure.
And video/voice AI of course, in a few years we could potentially not be sure if videos/audio are even real. Going to be crazy for people, innocent people having to prove AI voice/photo isn't real, and guilty people claiming the evidence is AI.
@rawzeku lmfao with this reasoning we'd still be living in the 1800s
@GymratAmarillo Uhm no, it's just a picture. It's all Geometry and colors. Things that A.I is very good at reproducing.
People love persona for its aesthetics, not its art. A.I will reproduce that anime persona aesthetics flawlessly, and people wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
Movie and videogame studios will probably be pushing ahead with this on the basis it's one fewer person to pay.
@BeerIsAwesome Thing is, AI could possibly threaten the jobs of the people who usually like to make cuts one day. AI CEOs doesn't seem like such a stretch any more.
@ShogunRok Lmao it would've been fitting.
In all honesty, since it's a 2D image it would be pretty easy since a person can just take Joker's pinky and do a bit of quick crop and move and small cleanup here and there.
@Balosi Remember that Pixar film Wall-E, where everybody had become overweight slobs who could barely move because they had robots to tend to their every need? Yeah...
@rachetmarvel The art is very specifically tailored and meaningful. It has a depth, meaning, and thought to that AI can’t reproduce because it’s not sentient.
It can reproduce the general asthetic, but not the artistry.
@BeerIsAwesome We'll have ps controllers in our hands at least, playing our (AI generated) video games. Unless we've given up and we'll just be watching an AI play it for us.
@Balosi Given what's on Twitch these days, I wouldn't put it past people!
@BeerIsAwesome exactly. Not innovation just cost cutting.
While I'm pretty damn cautious about the application of AI in general, this could be pretty useful to spitball concept ideas quickly. It certainly won't completely replace human artists on a project (nor should it!) but as another tool to help efficiency and even promote human creativity/ ideas then I don't really see the problem.
If you lose your job to AI then you're not doing a good enough job
@Kidfried I’d buy that for a dollar! 😂
Crazy bad idea, will not buy the game if they do this.
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