It's the news that no one wanted to hear: The Legend of Dragoon — that is to say, the emulated version that's currently available on PS5 and PS4 — has some pretty serious technical issues. We first read about these problems over on the PSNProfiles forums a day or so ago, but with no way of knowing how widespread the bugs were, we had no choice to but sit down and play the game ourselves.
And the unfortunate reality is that these technical issues do indeed exist. The most prominent problem we've ran into is that battles can softlock the game — which is the kind of thing that makes you wonder whether anyone even tested this version of the title. These softlocks tend to occur when you make use of a character's Dragoon form — a core combat mechanic hours into the adventure — and unleash a handful of attacks.
For whatever reason, the game doesn't agree with this, and if you keep using your Dragoon forms in the way the experience intends, battles start locking up. The game still runs — the music still plays and character models remain in their idle animations — but the command menu disappears and there's no way to interact with what's on screen. You've got no choice but to either close the game or use the emulator's rewind function to return to a point before you used the Dragoon mechanic — but that's only a temporary fix, as the softlock rolls back around eventually.
Shocking stuff, but it arguably gets even worse. As discussed on the aforementioned forums, there's also some kind of memory leak to contend with. If you play The Legend of Dragoon for an extended period of time — for say, two or three hours without closing the application — you start running into audio bugs and, again, battle system softlocks.
And on top of all this, you've got a sprinkling of minor issues, like flickering environmental details, clipping character models, and light blue outlines appearing over prerendered backgrounds. Put simply, it's a bit of a mess.
Given how beloved The Legend of Dragoon is in some parts of the PlayStation community, the state of this emulation is a real kicker. We can only hope that Sony releases an update in the near future, because there's just no way this classic PS1 JRPG should have launched like this.
Ah nuts 🤨😫
I wasn't going to be playing it for a few weeks (after Hogwarts and all of the VR titles).
Hopefully it's patched by then.
I heard these issues occur on the ps3/vita version too and are commonplace on pc emulators too.
Apparently the game is hard to emulate well.
I played this on a Galaxy S8 EPSXE years ago and no problems.
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Sounds like Sony rushed it out to try and demonstrate value to premium consumers. Really poor. Anything Sony puts out on the store should be an acceptable level of quality and performance and at minimum able to be played from start to end without issue
That's a shame. I've never played it but I was interested because of how much love the game gets anytime its brought up. Hopefully a patch will fix it sooner rather than later.
Was dying to play this, then ran into the black screens in the Dragons Nest when I used Rose's Magic. So now I only use Dragoon attacks and normal attacks. Getting by some boss fights on Very low HP at times
Great picture for the article. Got me lolling.
If the PS5 can’t handle it maybe it will run ok on the PS5 Pro.😂
Same way they always screw up their legacy software, whether it's releasing previous classics at 50hz or that dreadful mini console they put out: they cheap out.
Jim Ryan told you exactly what he thought when he spoke about generations. He believes these old games are toys of yesteryear that don't need much attention and he cannot understand why you bother about them. They presumably only released them in the first place as someone convinced the bean counters that it would be a cheap way to attract users to a premium subscription service.
They should've just remade it, instead of giving us a half assed HD port.
@jrt87 Can't blame them for dabbling in nostalgia. Nintendo's entire business model is reselling old crap for full price.
Where's that Adam guy to defend Sony like he usually does I wonder. I'm sure he'd give some long winded excuse for why this is okay & isn't bad as it sounds. @Saitama117 at least most of big N's stuff is functional on day one lol. Once again, we're given a very poor port that seemingly had little to no testing to even see if it was playable. How many more years of this, Sony?
I really love this game to apologize you can remake or even remaster the game like Square Enix did with Final Fantasy 10 on PS4 or the Final Fantasy PS Vita game on PS4 I will take anything at this point.
ps1 classics run PERFECTLY on a good old psp, vita or ps3. clearly sony ruined their once prestine ps1 emulator. not only that, they are charging twice the cost for legend of dragoon (ps4/ps5) as compared to the previous (old) ps classic version... go figure.
So glad Sony charges extra money to be able to support these amazing emulators!
I bought this gem day 1 but luckily have literally about 10 games to play on VR2 before I can get to it. That gives it time for a patch.
Its a shame that for all the dev studio start-ups & purchases of PC & Mobile dev studios by Sony that a similar effort to set up a studio dedicated to PS Classics/making definitive software ps1/ps2 emulated games run as well or better than those created by the home brew emulators.
Sadly unlike upcoming live service games it just isn't seen as a money maker by the bean counters despite the fact the legacy PS library would be a great selling point.😕
Somehow? haha don't act so shocked, the effort put into premium has been consistently minimal.
@Robocod absolutely. sony has the resources to make a dedicated division responsible for ps1/ps2 and dare i say ps3 emulation. but perhaps that would be asking for too much. if the company on the whole does not respect its own legacy, the results will be a reflection of that. and here we are... i mean, damn... at least try to get it right in house before you put it up for sale and create a PR nightmare for yourself as a company. people were already losing faith in the "premium" tier as is. stories like this do not help.
@Saitama117 HD port is being FAR too kind
@Porco you can still buy the PS3/PSP version for cheaper and get access to the PS4/5 version. That's what I did.
And that is a lie that Xbox fanboys talk about.
Jim Ryan said during a showcase of GT Sport at why would anyone choose GT2 over new GT Sport.
He has never said anything else not people wanting to play old games, only comparing GT2 vs GT Sport.
I was playing last night and the audio sounded off at one point. It's a shame this game is having problems, I've been playing it in small dozes and it's really good. Guess I'll stick to Like A Dragon Ishin while they fix it
@yohn777 As long as people keep paying for it, they'll keep making them.
@Porco Different hardware though. You "could" put the emulator on to the PS5, but then your game would act unpredictably. The forward button would make an explosion sound for example, the left button would make your character invisible, the right button would shoot a gun, and so on. Same principle applies to each of the emulators on the PS2, PS3, PSP, Vita and PS5, as well as fanmade emulators on the PC. Different hardware configurations make different software act in different ways. That's just how it is!
@Hundred_Hand_Slap neat. so it is "cross buy" compatible then? i did not know this. in the case of the legend of dragoon, though, you are likely better off playing the ps3/psp version on a psp/ps3 to avoid the glitches.
Theirs a thread on PSN Profiles with an employee from this emulation department at Sony asking about bugs and is reporting them back to his team for them to address.
@BeerIsAwesome yea, the ps1 emulator (for ps4/ps5) clearly needed more time in the oven... i see why sony is only rolling out a few titles at a time. they need to test rigorously for bugs on a game by game basis, and even then, they seem to have missed a bunch! perhaps the emulator itself is in an alpha or beta state. also, i still do not understand why dragoon clocks in at over 6GB on ps4/ps5 when the actual rom itself is only around 2GB? did sony fill the rom with dummy data?
Huh? I have owned both Sony and MS consoles every gen since 360/PS3 era and don't have a favourite because I'm not 13 years old. The quote is below — it's clear that Sony aren't as interested in their back catalogue as much as MS are — and it shows.
'Sony Interactive Entertainment boss Jim Ryan explained some of the company's plans for its next generation in an interview with GamesIndustry.biz [...]
"We have always said that we believe in generations," Ryan said. "We believe that when you go to all the trouble of creating a next-gen console, that it should include features and benefits that the previous generation does not include. And that, in our view, people should make games that can make the most of those features'.
@Porco I'm not a software developer, so I couldn't possibly speculate on the precise reasons. I do know however, that the games in Sonic Origins were not actually ported, but completely rebuilt from scratch in a brand new engine (called the Retro Engine), which allowed Sega to drop in a few quality of life improvements like the mission mode, Knuckles in Sonic 1, widescreen support, etc.. But that's half a dozen relatively short platform games in 2D, and not a great big JRPG like Dragoon is.
Their loss. I own this on PS1 and also have it on my PS Vita. I was gonna pay for a premium home console version with trophy support, but not if it's another lazy cashgrab.
I better try lost sphere or scarlet nexus whilst I wait for them to fix it. 😛
They obviously believe their emulator is better than it is! This should have them adjust their qa process hopefully so we dont get repeats of this.
@Porco yup, it's one of the PS1 Classics that if you have the PS3/PSP version you can get the PS4/5 version at no extra charge.
Personally, I want to play this new version because of the trophy support. I'll wait for a patch.
Not having to hear DART yell VOLCANO every time you finish an attack is a new quality of life feature if you ask me.
Didnt say you was a Xbox fanboy but still you got offended so not so far off then.
So is it a bad thing to have generation?
If you want to play old games then dont buy a new console, keep old one.
@yohn777 I just realized how funny of a nickname Big N is for Nintendo 🤣🤣🤣
@themightyant true and sad
I’m hopeful that they’ll patch it in time. I love The Legend of Dragoon. The Legend of Dragoon was the very second RPG I ever played, right after Star Ocean: The Second Story. As such, The Legend of Dragoon (and the Star Ocean series too, but this is about The Legend of Dragoon) is very beloved to me. I hope they patch this port of the game in time. It would be heartbreaking to have it in this condition and never have it fixed.
Don't overestimate your own effect: I wasn't offended. Merely letting you know my opinion on Sony half-arsing things they expect you to pay them for comes from a console agnostic perspective. Oh, and that your point about GT Sport was total bs.
To an extent, I don't entirely disagree regarding console generations. However, the industry has set precedent in the last 15 years and re-releases and remasters are so ubiqitious that they make up a significant portion of current gen libraries and "new" releases.
Ergo, once more: if you're going to charge customers money for them and tout them as USPs of premium subscription tiers or put them on a $100 PS Classic; you should probably at least QC them instead of simply injecting them into open source emulators.
Therefore, I conclude, they don't care.
Not enough legend remained after emulation 😁
@2here2there I still have the original disc it will always be legendary to me. 😁
@Ken_Kaniff Assuming they're not lying, awesome to get such fast response to feedback!
Okay so I’ve left it a few days since launch hoping to get some news on how the game performs (or not). I noticed this morning the platinum has moved to 0.1%, so all is not too bad I take it?. I’m desperate to play this but I’m a completionist so any glitches are a no no
Yea they definitely screwed up, especially when I already owned the game digitally on my Ps4 but it doesn't show on my ps5 an wants me to buy again talk about robbery smh
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