Final Fantasy VII Remake really could have gone either way, looking back. Remaking a game as iconic and important as the original Final Fantasy VII was no small feat, but thankfully Square Enix delivered the goods, and we got the outrageous Honey Bee Inn dance scene we deserved. As anyone who played through to the end knows, however, changes were made to the game that could have major ramifications for the next chapter of the story in Final Fantasy VII Rebirth.
In an interview with VG247, producer Yoshinori Kitase discussed why the decision was made to deviate from the storyline of the original game, recalling, "we approached the FFVII Remake project with the aim to make it something that could be enjoyed by both fans of the original game and people who did not know it."
But its more challenging to design a game for someone who knows what happens next, and nostalgia can only take you so far, as Kitase explains, "I have also had experiences where a game that I loved and had a lot of fun with in the past was remade, and I bought it and played it out of the overwhelming nostalgia. It is enjoyable for a while, but the fun from that nostalgia only really lasts through the first sections." This was a state of affairs Kitase hoped to avoid. As such, he "decided that Final Fantasy VII Remake would not just appeal to nostalgia, but would include a new story as well to feel both nostalgic and fresh at the same time."
Kitase confirms that this ethos will continue on in the next two chapters of the planned trilogy of games, and that players should expect the unexpected, noting that "the result of [the changes] is that, for Part 2 and Part 3, we are able to give fans the excitement of wondering which parts will be 100 percent faithful to the original - and where the new elements will be added."
But it's all a matter of perspective. Kitase has the legacy of a beloved franchise to consider, a fact of which he is well aware. He says that "the original Final Fantasy VII has been loved by the fans for over 20 years, but I started to feel that I didn't want it to finish up as something in an archive, and wanted to make it a title that continues to be loved for another 100 years to come. That is what Final Fantasy VII Remake is."
Final Fantasy VII Rebirth is expected to launch Winter, 2023. Are you excited to see the storyline take a turn for the unexpected, or would you rather it stayed more closely in line with the original? Pick a side in the comments section below.
This is the monkey’s paw of games for me. I’m not sure what I expected from Nomura though to be fair, I’ve been a Kingdom Hearts fan for years and that’s basically a masochistic relationship.
They chose poorly.
The story of remake is so dumb.
But that is personal taste.
These kind of articles lead me to believe they are seriously going to change one of the biggest moments in gaming.
Doing that would completely alter the storyline which I am not sure how I would feel about it
Is Aeris' fate going to change? That's on everyone's mind.
I didn't mind some of the changes, beefing up Jessie's role for instance, but the last part of the game with all the Kingdom hearts 'fates' nonsense killed it for me. Also introducing all the cringe edgelord characters from Dirge of Cerberus was a massive mistake.
All I want to know is Vincent playable in the second part or will he be dlc like yuffie was?
I never played the original so all of this is fine to me. I can see why some original fans could be skeptical though. At minimum, at least the gameplay should be fun even if the story doesn’t hit a home run with everyone
Unless you ruin the story and make it worse...
This basically shows they dont know what their players want.
I'm honestly fine with them changing what they want, aslong as anything they do makes sense in the FF7 world and they use those original characters and at least keep some of the story beats and memorable moments. The original is Inbedded in my mind along with the memories of me playing this with my brother, so that can be kept separate and not ruined.
@AgentMantis I agree. The Jessie change was the only change I appreciated, the rest seem unnecessary.
Yes, I remember when they announced "Final Fantasy VII Remake" - a game that nobody was asking for - at E3 to a deafening thud. Nobody, clearly, wanted a straight remake. Probably wise that they turned the last couple of hours of the game into a nonsensical, Kingdom Hearts cringe-fest. Gotta keep people interested.
Way more excited for FFXVI at this point, I have much more faith in that being a great game without cringey characters. Disappointed they decided to bring back Zack.
Complete idiocy but I'd expect nothing less from him or a lot of these people working in the industry today. Just say the old game was 'problematic' for whatever 'modern audience' reason and I'd have much more respect for the dumb answer to the question. A remake should be for the fans of the original first and foremost but there when it comes to these classics like FF VII, one of the most revered games of all-time, there will always be younger people interested in it as well. Sticking to the original's story would not have hurt the game's reach one bit. And this is why as a I re-release, despite not loving the changes (though the reason is understandable) to the voice cast, I'd take Crisis Core Reunion over FF VII R. But, because I like to be fair, there are still more entries in the remake to come so maybe in the end what follows will redeem the first part.
I personally loved remake for these reasons. If I wanted the original story it takes 30 seconds to select it from the game library
@johncalmc Finally a kindred spirit. I wanted to play a better looking FF7 and not wait two decades to play a complete game. It's like people who get mad that a movie is not 3 hours even if you can tell it in 1,5 hours/2 hours and don't have nonsensical filler that don't add anything.
It's so bad I didn't even bother to start yet the story was the best thing about FF7. The changed controls thats awsome, Jessie is awsome but why go on rampage in a already great story and make it a convoluted mess. Give us that extra sword from all the rumors of cloud for his Final Limit Break, some extra Summons a new difficult boss. Maybe even small extra stories that lead to weapons and extra Limit Breaks.
The story was clear and had a great message already. For the people who want to play it with the original message go do it and have a blast.
I get what he means but there isn't a version of ff7 with the original story in tact that doesn't have the very outdated PS1 models lol. So on one hand, I was really looking forward to a straight remake just prettier
And for the most part the remake delivered. I don't think the ending was that bad and intergrade gives an even better ending with all the characters I love rather than focusing on all the time ghosts stuff. But I also like this approach as long as it still resembles the original storyline. Characters that were meant to die still meeting that same fate just in a different time or manner etc. Remake gave me more new content I loved than new content I didn't
Also I love the irony of people hating the time ghosts so much when their job was to put the characters back on track with the original story lmao
@CWill97 It depends will they ruin the story because of all the useless filler and destroy the message. We already know that Square Enix is the new Shinra. It's like going to improve on Shawshank Redemption why?
@Flaming_Kaiser It annoys me the most because it's so close. Like, it's there. They've made a Midgar. They've got the characters right. The battle system - the music! I love so much about it. If it was a straight remake it would be one of my favourite ever games. As it is, I liked it, but I can't help feeling really disappointed - in part because the ending sucks so badly, and in part because it shows me how close we were to getting something magnificent.
Now I'm less interested in the follow up. I was so excited to go see Cosmo Canyon and the Gold Saucer. The Junon bit where you pretend to be the soldier. Now I'm wondering which bits of the game they're going to skip so they can craft a ludicrous, gravity-defying superhero fight with twelve time travelling Sephiroths spewing incomprehensible drivel.
@johncalmc For me its just to long of a wait for completion and not every thing is that great so I moved on give me FF7 with FF7R graphics and gameplay.
Some extra secret bosses and maybe some special Limit Breaks you could even do little setup how they get them. The rumor of Clouds extra sword would be a cherry on top and i would have thrown money at them.
And maybe not a two decade waiting period to play a complete game i really lost interest it pains me to say I don't care about it anymore that much.
Totally happy with a few minor tweaks and for them to flesh things out but have to agree with the above. The ending to the first part was disappointing. And I am also concerned you'll have characters spewing incomprehensible nonsense about timelines & the multiverse for long periods of time. How they think that would be good for new players, I just don't know. Hopefully they don't go off on a tangent.
"Narrative changes" directly translates to "We're killing off Tifa instead of Aerith"
Cool. I don't need it to be the same game, I already played that one. Gimme.
I'm curious and afraid at the same time to see what they will do. For me the world and characters of FFVII and the way they are with each other was always the strongest appeal to me and the reason why i love VII. That said the characters are driven by the big events that happen in the original story. I just hope they don't change to much of what made VII so great. Looking at what Nomura did whit the chaos that Kingdom Hearts has become end the way the remake ended i fear the worst.
@EquiinoxGII and even outside your mind, the original continuity/timeline is on multiple platforms including this the current and last generations alongside VIIR. Fanheads really have no leg to stand on with potential "ruined childhood" jabs, not that they ever really did.
With ray tracing technology she'll be able to see Sephiroth coming down from the floor reflection and move out of the way.
I loved the remake and think its great that they're trying new things, more of Cloud and Co please and thank you.
Also people really need to stop blaming Nomura for anything they don't like. Do your research people, he didn't even write the plot for this game.
@Type_Trubbish Oh my god I hope not 😭
They're really not going to kill Aerith are they? I bought Remake but will not buy the other 2 parts until I know for a fact that they haven't changed that bit. Removing that kind of impactful event from a story removes all associated meaning. And I'm not here for a sterilisation of stories and lore.
This was always going to be an extremely divisive decision. Remaking a beloved game like FFVII already was a tall order, but doing so while changing the story… Takin’ a big swing there!
That said, I enjoyed the game and don’t mind it taking off in a different direction. I’m excited to see what they do next!
They are in too deep into existing FF7 lore. Remake’s storytelling — especially at the end — was clearly for those who knew FF7 in and out and would notice and appreciate deviations. I had to look stuff up. While I liked the game’s opening I found the final act confusing and not very enjoyable. I was a bit relieved when it was all over and I am not eager to go back. That said, I only played FF7 once 20 years ago and now I am much more likely to buy the original when it’s on sale for $8.
I love the changes, the original FFVII never had any special hold over me and if they had just done a shiny re-tread I would've been bored stiff, but the changes means it's all shiny and new AND makes the original and its spin-offs much more compelling.
In my opinion i was not a fan of the changes they made onto the story of ff7 remake. I forced myself to finish it just because ff7 was one of my favorite games as a kid. The combat and soundtrack was dope though
Off topic: they should totally remake final fantasy 6. Im sure that game will be a surprise hit
Its fine by me.final fantasy 7 remake is a excellent game.word up son
I didn’t like the Kingdom Hearts stuff at the end but after the masterfully crafted Yuffie chapter (that I thought I would hate) in intergrade I have complete trust in this team to deliver the goods, they really know what they are doing.
@CWill97 it’s interesting really, it’s fine to you as you haven’t played the original, on that note surely so should the original story. I disagree nostalgia can only take you so far. The best remakes stay faithful to original on the key beats at the very least and I worry this will change too much.
So ridiculous. Old fans like me only wanted a faithful remake and people that didn't know the old game would have loved the original story. Its beloved for a reason...so don't give me this crap about changing everything for anyone's sake but your own.
I understand what he's saying. It would be a waste of an opportunity to just make a word for word, shot for shot recreation. But the parts they greatly expanded on from the original while keeping the same story were enough to make it feel fresh. You didn't need to make it Kingdom Hearts.
He just wants excuses to justify his stupid nonsensical Kingdom Hearts garbage. I'm on the fence about continuing on with the sequel. Lifes too busy to invest in a game that will likely get dumber as it goes. We will see.
@Netret0120 I think your right. Knowing Nomura that iconic scene will end up being something soooo stupid.
@Arisen Exactly. Dont know and don't care to know.
@johncalmc You nailed it. My thoughts exactly.
What's with Nomura's obsession with making convoluted nonsense stories? the first Kingdom Hearts game was so good story-wise, very simple and easy to follow thus enjoyable, and then everything went downhill from there on. Which is why its still my favorite KH game, it felt more "grounded" compared to the others.
I disagree. But, whatever. They could have just made a less ambitious remake faithful to the original. This whole 3 games thing would be unnecessary. It's usually not smart to mess with something established cause you will be held to a standard that is almost impossible to reach.
Is Yoshinori Kitasea complete moron? From reading his comment, either he was never really a fan himself, or he is one of those people that just want to destroy classics to create his own crap.
The ONLY reason people have been begging for a FF7 remake game for over 20 years, was BECAUSE they wanted to at the exact damn game again. People that wanted the remake wanted a real remake, not trashy deconstruction of what we loved! If Yoshinori wanted to make diverge like this, he should have simply made it a DLC or something.
In the end, the truth is told by Sephiroith in the game, mocking the fans with perhaps their most beloved character.
Sephiroth is basically telling you the player that it is time forget the past because we can do anything. This on the surfacd might seem nice, but what it really is, is a game dev ***** on the old game and the fans, telling people that he can an will take what they love and change it. And that they should forget the old game because he is making it irrelevant.
What is up with that? This guy, just like the disgusting people making the RE2 and RE3 remakes, are just creating forgettable trash.
I agree that nostalgia can only take you so far, but I also did not like the Kingdom-hearts-esque approach they are taking with the remake.
@nessisonett actually nomura was the only guy in the dev team that didnt want to change the story, he said that in a interview for the famitsu in 2020, the person we all should blame for this is probably kitase lmao, i dont think nomura has much to do with the second game so the other dudes are probably free to change anything now
@Cloud39472 Yep. The scapegoating is so boring.
It's very disappointing that fans will never share the same creative nuance that the creators have. I'm not making an argument for one party or the other. But the majority of fans think In binaries, rather than expanding understanding. This is why incredibly simple stories like The Last of Us, and God of War are lauded, but narrative that requires thinking is considered "bad".
@nhSnork exactly, I love the original for multiple reasons, but I also throughly enjoyed the remake for other reasons. It made it different enough for me so it didn't feel exactly the same as the original story. Some people just find it difficult to accept. We get so many remakes (like deadspace, TLOU) and they are just the same game with a gloss, and while that's great if that's what you want, I actually enjoyed this approach.
@Orpheus79V Right? It becomes super tiresome hearing Nomura and Kingdom Hearts getting parroted by every smoothbrain that doesn't know how to properly criticise something.
@TruthDoor i don’t mean to start a fire, but Kitase has been working on FF since V, he was the director and scenario writer of FFVII and is clearly entitled to do whatever he feels fit.
More entitled than anyone in this comment section who only wants rehashed soup.
The original still exists.
This is a Remake as literal as the word can be.
While i didn’t like everything in it, i liked the will to do something out of ideas instead of an easy cash grab.
It takes balls to stick to your vision, especially when handling a sacred cow like FF VII.
Just for that alone they have my respect.
A rare coin, nowadays where everyone knows everything better than anyone.
I am excited to see their vision come to fruition. And I agree that this wouldn’t draw in new gamers with no nostalgia or older gamers that never jumped on the original hype train.
This remake trilogy might be the greatest trainwreck in the history of gaming. A profitable one though. You know it's tragic, you know it's hideous, you know it's just miles of gruesome wreckage from start to finish, and yet I somehow can't look away from it.
Playing with the story a little to make it unpredictable, ok. Kill one character instead of another. Kill no characters. Kill all the characters and make it
Romeo and JullietFFXV. But what they're doing just defies logic, and basically what anybody asked for in the years leading up to or following the E3 unveiling....
I'll grant that the original story was also complete nonsensical garbage in the last 1/3, so I'm not totally against shoring it up and making it a tighter story....but somehow they're dragging the good parts into the morass of the bad last part rather than fixing the last part to match the standard of the first 2/3.
And I just can't look away....
@Mintie @Ear_wiG @Cloud39472 I'm loving the direction they're heading in, the more I don't know the better!
Helps that I'm a big Kingdom Hearts fan who enjoys the craziness of Nomura though, lol.
@KidBoruto Same here! Honestly never understood the hate for Kingdom Hearts, it's really not as convoluted as people make it out to be IMO. Can't wait for KH4 as well, there's lots to come for fans like us 😁
@Cloud39472 Especially with FF16 releasing just around the corner in June, and then FF7 Rebirth in Winter 2023!
KH4 I don't see releasing until 2025 at the earliest, with a possible delay to 2026. I'd love to be proven wrong though of course, as long as the game is ready.
@KidBoruto FF16 looks incredible, it's gonna be a good year for Final Fantasy. Yeah I would love to see Kingdom hearts in 2024 but 2025 is more realistic like you say. The most recent trailer was beautiful though so it has me excited for sure.
I wonder if there’s a correlation between people who don’t like any form of complication/nuance in the narrative of the games they play … and people who never picked up the basics of grammar?
Ehm... OK. So there is no need to play this remake anymore while story changed...
This reminds me of Christians. There was reincarnation in Bible till 15th century. Than they just scratched it, because it wasn't "needed" to be there.
Vincent and Yuffie were kinda afterthoughts on the original. Vincent was redeemed in Dirge of Cerberus and Yuffie in Intergrade. So I guess the remake is making more good than harm. I’m all for Aerith surviving as long as she dies much later in the game. I think she died too early in the original.
@Cloud39472 For sure, 2023 is gonna be the year of Final Fantasy. Especially if they finally officially confirm the FF9 remake/remaster that was leaked via Nvidia years ago. That's still just a "leak/rumor" for now.
We also still don't have a proper remaster collection of the FF13 Trilogy yet, not counting the free Xbox One patches that were pumped out years ago.
Btw, do you think we'll be getting any KH spinoffs before KH4 releases? I'm praying for a Verum Rex game with Yozora as the main character.
@Savage_Joe they needed to kill her off sooner. Preferably before I built her up as the designated healer. .
Still if they do temple and she up and walks out it'll be the biggest troll moment in gaming even if we expect it.
Kill tifa this time 😈
I switched my brain off in the final quarter of the FFVII remake. I didn't know what nonsense was going on and just went along for the ride which wasn't even that exciting. Music was good though.
@KidBoruto Man I miss FF13. Still the only one waiting for a remaster. I would love to see more KH games and it's definitely a trend for KH to have lots of spinoffs between mainline games but I feel like we would've seen something by now.
I hope I'm wrong though because a Verum game would be very cool indeed. Pretty much what Versus 13 would've been back before it became 15.
I'm an old fart, played FF7 when it launched in highschool multiple times, and a few more as an adult. They nailed the environments and the characters. They can do what they want with the story. All I ever wanted was the world to feel and the characters to act like they did in my head so many years ago.
I like how the story is going and the questions I have. If it was a 100% retelling, I would have been excited still, but I definitely dig having some mysteries to experience.
Also, if you want a good understanding of the FF7R, it can be tricky, check out Maximillian Dood's breakdowns on YouTube. He's helped confirmed some theories I had and really put the path clear in my head.
@Cloud39472 Did you play FF9 at all? I beat the story but that was ages ago as a teenager, don't remember much.
Hopefully 2023 will be the year Square-Enix finally announces the FF13 Trilogy remaster, with a 2024 release window.
I honestly didn't know much about Versus 13 until after Yozora was introduced in KH3. Shame that Nomura's original vision was warped (FF15), but I'm happy he seems to be getting another chance to tell it.
What he is probably hinting at is that Aerith wont die and Cloud will end up getting together with either Tifa or Aerith at the end.....or Cloud sacrifices himself to defeat Sephiroth.
Why is it so terribly difficult for Square Enix to deliver what the fans want? I mean look at Nintendo, they manage to do it over and over.
A game like Final Fantasy VII didn't "Need" any change to the story for people to play it and stay interested, it also didn't "need" the change in game genre...
All the fans ever expect from a remake is
A) better graphics
B) QOL changes
No one, I repeat NO ONE! Will expect a remake to change the story or genre of the game.
Even Square Enix have to understand that fans have not been pestering them for decades about a FFVII remake because they want a new story..
I think most people was happy with the story until they started changing it too much towards the end.
Like you can add to the story to make it richer and stuff, like giving Jessie some more backstory for example, that's not the same as changing the story, you're just adding to it.
They should have focused on just adding to the story instead of changing it.
@KidBoruto Yeah I started playing Final Fantasy when I was 5 years old so I've played them all, never finished 1-3 though. 9 is another one of my favourites.
It does seem as though he's trying to remake the ideas he had for versus within Kingdom Hearts and I'm all for it.
@Cloud39472 Wow that's young! My first Final Fantasy game was VII (7) when I was in High School. It was also my introduction to JRPGs too.
Series wise I've only finished the stories for FF7, FF9, FF10, FF10-2, FF12, FF13, FF15, Crisis Core, and Dirge of Cerberus.
I did start to play Final Fantasy 13-2 and World of Final Fantasy, but I got distracted both times and stopped. Eventually I'll play FF1-6 and 8 too, though it's really hard for me to play old games now.
I follow this youtuber that calls it Nomura's Revenge and I personally love it haha.
@TruthDoor I don’t think people have too many issue with the RE remakes (aside from things in 3 perhaps). There hasn’t been any word that they were doing the kind of meta timeline stuff that FFVIIR has already done.
If they didn't change it, I'd be kinda mad, I'd know what happens! IT'D SUCK!
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