PlayStation Accused of Gender Discrimination in Lawsuit

Not surprised in the slightest sadly. It's been a big issue in the industry for a long time. /: It's just a matter of time before the same thing happens with Nintendo or Microsoft, or well.. Any other big publisher/developer.

I just hope the truth prevails, no matter what it is. I simply refuse to believe either side unless there is enough evidence. That goes for all allegations.

Yeah, without all the evidence it’s not for us to voice an opinion either way 🤷 There’s real discrimination out there but there are also plenty of chancers. Let the courts decide.

This sadly happens at most companies. It's a shame, really...

Great timing.

With a name like Majo ("my name is Majo".. anybody..?) I'm surprised she didn't platinum her job status and end up running the place in the space of half an hour

So she is just bitter that she didn't get a promotion in six years and even after demanding one??? And that the boss apparently addressed men when talking instead of looking at women??? What is discriminatory about that?? My boss rarely looked at me while talking to our department and many people do not get a promotion for years unless they demonstrate exceptional performance. You definitely don't get a promotion by walking into the boss's office and demanding a promotion. What has gender got to do with it?? IMO this is just being petty and vengeful.

Oh wow that’s not good at all. We’ll have to see what comes of all this but I have to say it’s sadly not that much of a surprise.

Listen, the light needs to shine on all of these practices, no matter what the brand. Let justice be served for those it needs serving.

Oh god, it never ends. There are so many factors that never get brought up. Experience, and more importantly ABILITY. How was this persons work compared to the others? Were they making unreasonable raise demands, or during a time such as COVID when it was unlikely to happen? There are so many factors, but these people always have to go to discrimination...

Skeptical as that one pink haired dude who left Insomniac (same dude who bragged about Rivet nsfw) said Insomniac was full of "misogynist white men" because they disagreed with Sam Magg's story direction when she was still employed writing Rift Apart's story

I don't see the discrimination as of yet but maybe more will come out later to convince me otherwise. Stating that the boss speaks to the males only is not new and not because of discrimination its because a lot of male bosses don't want to say anything to risk offending or setting/ triggering a female employee then getting sued like this. Even looking at a female can be construed as perverted if you aren't a 10/10 with perfect hair. Expect a lot more of these kind of lawsuit in the future.

Do we know what phase of the lawsuit they're in? Are they in discovery?

I fear that if any employee regardless of gender or whatever a person identifies themselves with will find it very easy to kick up a storm revolving around some form of discrimination regardless of if its true or not..i would like to think that people are able to accept that if they are passed over for promotions there is obviously a fundamental reason and that may not be that their boss,line manager etc has it "in" for them or some other dubious ulterior motive but alas,some people just feel the need to grab the limelight whichever way they can to justify their short comings so they dont have to actually deal with them properly..i hope this is resolved so it dosnt become another activision/blizzard episode..

I think that we're learning that this culture of workplace discrimination isn't an Activision thing and that it might be a video game industry thing.

@B_Lindz Even more general than that, it's a tech industry thing.

I dont know the truth but if it is then it should be set right.

Too soon to say anything either way, I'd say. The court of public opinion is typically quick to deliver the final verdict and I don't intend to be a part of it.

@Forizzle I dont know the whole story you dont either so its better to wait and see. Japanese culture is really traditional and isnt really good towards women in the equality departement. But we will see i live in the Netherlands and even here its still a issue.

@Northern_munkey Im sorry but some people just want their fair cut or equality. Activision Blizzard was a horrible mess with someone taking her life in the end. Kotick did quite a few things if anything is true what he did then he should be terminated.

@patronmacabre i dont think its an exclusive thing..i think its going to be an on going problem everywhere..

Is it still 'a thing' that women in the same role as male peers get paid less?

@Flaming_Kaiser i agree..what i'm trying to say is that there are genuine instances but there are also people who will use anything as an excuse to skirt the issues they themselves may be instigating..we dont live in an ideal world and if we did people like the bobby kotics wouldnt be allowed to have any kind of control..

@MatthewJP I think experience must play a part. A man with 20 years experience should be paid more than a woman (or a man) with much less experience. Same with movie salaries. The actor with the most ‘star power’ will always be paid more. It’s not about fairness it’s about ability (or it should be).

First Activision and now PlayStation? What is going on in this world?

Also I am going to wait for more evidence to show up until I judge PlayStation because right now there doesn’t seem to be a lot

@fR_eeBritney true. I was only thinking inside my little world of an office job where a role is advertised as 25k

I don’t think you can sue company for being not promoted 😕

I am definitely putting extremely strong odds on the outcome of "Sony settles this out of court in two months and then hires a ton of women in executive positions."

Someone you like being accused: " Hold on, let's wait and see the evidence."
Someone you dislike being accused: "Burn em at the stake!"

@Perturbator it’s the CNN effect 🤣

@patronmacabre @B_Lindz it’s a society worldwide thing… people just choose to believe it’s untrue. Even the comments here prove that. Sad but true.

@MatthewJP even then mate there are plenty of studies that prove women get paid less than men in like for like jobs all over society. Quite heavily. I agree a lot of places have wage structures and stuff that should protect against this but unfortunately it still happens. Even in 25k ish jobs.

@Perturbator I can only speak for myself, but I say that about everyone no matter what. I wouldn't want to be in either position, if I was innocent, so condemning either side when we know so little is simply wrong.

@Stocksy when it comes to studies, you have to pay close attention to their methodology. Sometimes researchers try to gather evidence that supports their preconceived ideas rather than get an answer to a question.

There is very little doubt in my mind that there's still a significant pay gap between men and women but I do wonder how wide it really is. There are conflicting studies. I suspect the truth is somewhere in the middle. Some studies simply don't take into account some pretty important factors (working extra hours, sick days, how dangerous a post is, etc).

@naruball I meant the general hypocrisy of the internet mob, not your comment (it just sounded similar with the "evidence" part I guess)

@Stocksy hmmmm I disagree. If a basic office job (as I'm in) is advertised with a certain salary, that is paid regardless of gender. There would be law suits left right and centre if that wasn't the case.

Detracting from the story now though as I'm sure this is one of those open ended salaried jobs which are open to abuse

Huh... i must say the timing of this makes it look suspicious.

I mean... who one prefers to talk with cannot be considered any kind of discrimination.

I dunno. I am not buying this. I wouldn't be surprised if it's just someone Bobby or Activision board paid off to make some allegations to get pressure off them.
I wouldn't be surprised to see the case dropped soon enough.

If true, i take it back. But, this doesn't smell legit to me. It's too convenient.
Not that there can't be pay descrepencies. It's just the allegations really are not on the same level as "I'm going to have you killed".

@Constable_What Yeah, for everyone genuine it encourages, it’ll also encourage opportunitists, or people with a misguided perception of reality. It makes it hard to tell.

@MatthewJP I agree. Jobs are advertised for a certain amount and during all the interviews i've been to i've been asked what my salary expectations were even though the job was advertised for a certain amount. I always used that to ask for more and usually got it. Are women sticking to the advertised amount or always getting denied the increase?

When was that big PSN security breach? Around 2015? Wow, that department is the epitome of a hot mess.

@Th3solution 2011?

@Yaycandy Haha! Okay, I was a few years off.

Regardless, Sony’s IT Security has been a punchline for a long time.

Maybe she a cheater but maybe not, in my country we said: better a culprit on the loose than an innocent in prison. The industry has its antecedents.

I won't add my input until after the trial plays out. I don't know enough about the case yet

@Northern_munkey I agree the investors even know what he did. Quite a interesting piece was on the Jimquisition its really only about the money. They dont even care what the public knows.

Well I don’t know about this case but it’s fair to say Sony gets sued over a lot of things and often for nothing. Like saying a game is 1080p while there’s a form of resolution reconstruction in one particular mode.
I don’t think Ms and N get sued easily likewise.

@Perturbator I know (I didn't take it personally). But thanks for the clarification.

The income gap is something the federal government has failed to regulate, and of course companies will take advantage of it. Both are at fault here as well as the voter who thinks "the government should not have the right to tell companies how to run their business" basically giving them a free pass to do whatever they please, with the ludicrous notion that corps will act ethically.

I wouldn't put this anywhere near the severity of the activision stuff , disturbing stuff like spreading a dead womans nudes etc , but yea the payment thing sadly exists everywhere.

@Papasears I think it's a little more complicated than that.

For example, many employers or people in high positions won't promote a woman, for fear of her getting pregnant and having to miss work or change her priorities in life once the baby is born. In a leading position, you may want someone who is always available (sometimes literally 24/7) and, unfortunately, still in society there is this expectation of women to prioritize their husband's job. Young mothers who go out get asked all the time (even at the hairdresser) "who's taking care of the baby?". Young fathers hardly ever do.

About 10 years ago my sister (who's a vet) was pregnant and her boss fired her. On the one hand, she had severe complications with her pregnancy, was constantly weak, sometimes couldn't think straight, she asked for some days off, etc. Since she was his only employee, he needed her to be at work every day and she couldn't.
Was he right that she was costing him business and that she was making his life more difficult? Sure. But as a human being (and legally) what he did is unacceptable. You know what he hired after her? A man.

Another example. When I was a student in Scotland, I remember hearing about a lecturer who as soon as she got tenure, had three pregnancies back to back. In other words, as soon as her position was secure, she didn't teach at the university for 3 years, but was paid as much as everyone else. Her colleagues were then hesitant to offer a permanent position to a woman around her age again.

Maybe it wouldn't be such an issue if there was paternity leave as well.