Xbox head Phil Spencer has thrown a quick bit of shade at Sony for holding off on bringing its formerly exclusive titles to PC until years after their original console release. After boasting of being the only company to ship titles across PC, consoles, and the cloud on the same day, Spencer said: "Others bring console games to PC years later, not only making people buy their hardware up front but then charging them a second time to play on PC."
It's important to remember the suit works for Microsoft, the very same company that quite literally owns Windows. Of course the titles coming out of the US company are going to hit its own platforms at the same time. Sony doesn't have the same stakes in Microsoft Windows as, well, Microsoft.
But what of the remark against Sony? Is what Spencer is saying correct? Well, yes. It's factually correct. Sony brought Horizon Zero Dawn to the personal computer more than three years after its PlayStation 4 release while Days Gone took two years. Where the criticism falls flat, though, is when Spencer expands on the attack.
Sony has continuously stated that its PC efforts have always been about expanding the fanbase of its IPs, not a cynical cash grab to get the hardcore to double-dip on its titles. In a recent PlayStation Blog Q&A, Hermen Hulst touched on this very point when discussing Days Gone. "And I hope that a new set of fans can and will enjoy that title. And that’s the goal — we want to reach new gamers who haven’t yet experienced the great stories, characters, and worlds that we’ve built."
Sony never, ever intended for its current PS5 and PS4 audience to suddenly build a gaming PC and replay Horizon Zero Dawn on maximum settings. The initiative is about giving those who don't own a Sony console the chance to play one of the Japanese giant's titles, and then potentially convince them to pick up a PS5. Phil Spencer's comments are factually correct, but his reasoning is off-base.
Still, what do you think? Share your thoughts in the comments below.
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Stupid remark is stupid. He's just embarrassing himself.
@nessisonett That's only natural, Phil gets interviewed every five minutes.
Taking Bethesda games away from Playstation isn't exactly fair either but I bet he never mentions that. The guy is an absolute gobs***e.
@nessisonett I like Phil more than Jim.
Phil should spend more time brushing his teeth and attempting to get decent first party titles out before taking aim at others tbf.
Of course he wants them to launch games day one on PC so less people will buy Playstation's lol.
Nothing he said is false...
They do wait several years to put them on PC and you would indeed have to buy it again if you wanted to play it on PC.
Trying to turn this into console war crap with this article. Make it stop.
If Sony gets to the point to where they launch same day as PC then I’ll be making the jump to PC.
How dare Sony want people to buy Playstations!
Seriously, if PC players want to play Sony exclusives, they're either perfectly happy to wait for them to drop on PC or don't mind buying a console. I know some PC players who enjoy having a console under their telly for a different experience to sitting at a desk.
Nobody's forced to do anything. Such a petulant comment, like, grow up Phil 😂
phil should be playing more games like cerny
So basically, Sony is focused on the consoles rather than PC...I don't understand what's wrong here?
Which games are those phil? He must be confident with his E3 show if he's started mouthing off. Time to wait and see again.... Again!
@FatalBubbles Not sure where the article turns into "console war crap"? I quoted a Sony representative and shared facts about Sony's strategy.
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When Phil learns to manage his studios and not launch a new console with no exclusives be it cross generation or new generation and still be in the same situation at 7 months on, then he can look at other companies.
Until then focus on your job and what you should be doing for your fans that paid £450 for a series x that is used as an old games resolution and FPS machine enhancer.
@nessisonett 'A source said Phil Spencer bought toilet roll where the sheets alternate between Jim Ryan and the PS logo'. 'A source said the X key on Phil Spencer's keyboard is Xbox green'. 'A source said Phil Spencer demands the letters P and S be covered up when entering a bookshop or library, and that in private he prefers to be called Hil Encer instead, and that he has an assistant to press the S and P keys when typing'.
I think the article nicely sums up the disingenuousness of Mr. Spencer’s comment here.
I seriously doubt more than a handful of people bought the Sony games for the 2nd time to play them on PC - so saying that Sony "forces" anyone to pay twice is just wrong, I'd even call it a lie.
It's technically true that "others" bring their games to PC later - except there's literally nothing wrong with that (and according to some PS fans, it's bad enough that they release them on PC at all, lol)
He kind of just puts himself everywhere doesn't he? The PR never stops.
It's a very disingenuous statement though, assuming we're not missing any context.
At a glance I would say that he's trying to give fresh life to the conversation that's been going around the core community about Sony being anti-consumer.
Going to try find the rest of this to read it all though.
Maybe he's a little anxious about PS games in the PC space?
I used to genuinely like him, but he's come across as such a brat over the last few years.
When he was trying to rebuild the xbox brand after 2013 he came across as far more humble. He had to be humble after that I guess.
Now he's just another slimy plonker exec like the rest of them.
That's easy to say when you're not shipping games anyone cares about though.
Slow day, Liam?
@nessisonett Nah, he's the head of Xbox and taking shots at Sony/Nintendo for a business strategy. And, as much as he says he hates console warring, this is the exact type of thing that breeds warriors. read the entire post, he's basically saying MS strategy is better for everyone, more consumer-friendly and Sony should get with the program aka "let us put Gamepass on your devices and make money with you". Perhaps he should also deposit 400B into Sony's account because none of this is even possible without MS having a monopoly on the workforce. Phil is not a savior and Xbox strategy is a long-play for profit, they can simply afford massive losses which is not fair to expect Sony/Nintendo to follow suit.
Who cares, is this coz of the fact they have game pass on pc they can do this? I might be wrong but sony isn't going to release a game that isnt on a streaming platform thats exclusive to be put on a pc same day? Silly comments from Phil.
Phil Spencer should worry about actually putting out games rather than comments. So far Xbox Game Studios hasn't put out a first party exclusive since launch. Patheic.
And there was everyone saying how great and classy he was on twitter for congratulating Insominac and that Sony doesn't do it but then classy Phil is just trying to stir the pot
It's an interesting quote, and he's obviously not wrong, but you'd expect Microsoft to have higher stakes in Microsoft Windows than Sony.
It always amuses me how Nintendo is always exempt from these kind of discussions. It's always Sony who needs an answer to Game Pass or who needs a better PC strategy.
By the way, I think the article is informative, fair, and totally relevant, so great job on that Liam!
Phil spencer is right with what he said but it doesnt matter i actually prefer the game to come out on console then pc a couple of years later.
Psst... Phil convince Nintendo to start putting their exclusives on PC.
Microsoft is complaining about Sony’s business strategy? Hmm. I guess it’s better to be with Microsoft and profiteer on war and human destruction via a $480 million contract to develop augmented reality headsets for the United States Army. Blood money, it is.
@LiamCroft You posted an article about “Phil Spencer throwing shade” and then proceeded to give your side of the story where you say his comments fall flat.
I don’t really know what the article achieves besides having Sony fans have a knee jerk reaction to the comment since you framed it as you did.
I just don’t like these kinds of articles because literally nothing good comes from it. Just stems more division.
He has a point though you should never have to pay more than once for a game, but if you all seem happy to have Sony try milk you for every cent they can by having you buy the games multiple times. FFVI being a primary example.
Well of course he wants Sony to release all exclusives on PC when they release so there is less reason to buy a Playstation 5. Imo Sony should not release any exclusives ever on PC. No one whines about Nintendo not releasing their games on PC but apparently it became popular to whine at Sony about it.
@PlatinumGamer Seriously, I can't believe people constantly praise this guy as some humble savior of gaming. He really came across as "salty" in this interview and the pot shots goes against his "I hate console warring" stance. If he's arguing with Sony about bringing gamepass to PS he needs to keep that private. This came across as very warrior-ish. It's different strategies, let the people decide what's best. You want Nintendo to put Animal Crossing on PC too?
like what is he talking about? This strategy is exclusive to MS because they are so rich. And they are rich outside of the gaming industry, yet they get to use those funds to buy up publishers. We better get some amazing games out MS that's for sure. I'm really not feeling how they are moving in the industry.
@get2sammyb clickbait is never informative
@FatalBubbles Yeah, but the division is coming from the f'n head of Xbox. That's the problem.
@FatalBubbles It's not my side of the story, though. It's literally a recent comment from Sony.
This is why Sony are beating the crap out of Microsoft ... they're not making their consoles redundant by putting their games on every other platforms.
Why doesn't Phil whine about Nintendo and their exclusives?
...I mean games get delayed releases on different platforms all the time. Heck The Master Chief Collection came to PC in bits and pieces but I don't fault the devs or anyone that's just how they decided to do things.
I mean in an ideal world sure we would have all games on all platforms at all times but that's just not how it goes.
Plus he talks about charging people twice... I mean thats up to the consumer if it's worth double dipping for the same game. I've bought DMC3 like 4 times now in my life because I just love having that game ready at any time. But Capcom didn't force me to buy it.
I like Phil but this wasn't one of his best quotes.
Reading comments here is why I really should stay off this site and any other one console devoted site (Xbox or PS). I could care less about PR statements but when I read the toxicity of people’s comments, I just can’t.
This article is definitely click-baiting and fanboy flaming. Sounds to me like Spencer was merely stating the difference between Microsoft and Sony's policies regarding PC support. Nothing said is factually incorrect, and as both have exclusive IP on PC a comparison doesn't seem unwarranted.
Your article conceeds that Spencer is correct but states that his reasoning is flawed. Unless I'm missing something, there's nothing provided in your article that actually states Spencer's reasoning. I'm guessing you've therefore just assumed his reasoning as you've not provided a quotation of this.
How is this not an anti-trust issue?
Notice how Phil seemingly never mentions Nintendo and their library of exclusives. Very strange! You'd think Phil Spencer would be fuming at Nintendo for keeping their evergreen exclusives locked to their platform only.
But this IS a dig at Sony lol. And im a little disapointed in Phil as he always plays the role of pretending he is above all of that.
He has carefully chosen his words to paint Sony in a negative light compared to Microsoft's strategy. He knows EXACTLY how it will be received online. He's not stupid. He didn't have to bring other console manufacturers / the competition into the conversation at all. He could literally have just reinforced the strategy Microsoft are taking.
So yeah its clearly criticising Sony.
The bigger bullet points to take from this presentation of course were that:
1) Microsoft hope to have at least one new first party game on GamePass every quarter
2) they are working with TV manufacturers to have xcloud incorporated - potentially reaching a giant market who wouldnt buy dedicated gaming hardwate
3) They are already working on new hardware (be it a revision or the successor to series x/s)
microsoft hasn't released a single next gen game (cross gen or not) on series s/x yet. that is just as embarassing as his comment. there is going to be a lot of pressure on them to deliver at e3 — they always under achieve and will likely fail again this year. talk arrogantly when you have earned the right to. o yea, why isn't phil criticizing nintendo who NEVER releases pc ports, period? o yea, because he is suddenly buddy buddy with the big N in order to get xcloud on switch some day heh.
I'm just gonna leave this here.
If I want my PC games on Steam and Xbox I have to pay twice as well
Such a dumb attack, their console ecosystem isn't floundering so much they have no choice but to put everything on PC as well, not to mention Xbox PC games tend to be unoptimized and glitch filled messes
Buuuuuut if sony did that then everyone would just jump to pc would they not?
"It's a real shame that Sony doesn't release games day and date on our platforms. It's like, they want to sell consoles or something! The nerve!"
@naruball in what way? Everything thing he is said fact. We are at a point were giving facts is embarrassing???
@GigaGaia every other platform? Windows 10 is Xbox and Xbox is Windows 10.
@LiamCroft I assume you’re referencing Hulst saying they want to reach new people. Would you expect him to say, “we want people to buy all our games twice!”, of course not. He said what anyone in charge would say.
It’s a good way to spin it, without a doubt. But that doesn’t mean his comments “fall flat”, which is where your opinion comes in.
@nessisonett he is known for blabbing his mouth quite a bit to be fair
it's cool. let the execs at MS XBox One series XYZ 720p ABC 123 talk the talk.
let the Studios at Sony walk the walk.
@AdamNovice and taking Spiderman, all of the Destiny (Activision days) items, COD, etc is fair though?
Shush now Phil,the only reason xbox is doing what they do is because the platform was dying,a console releasing an exclusive title day of release takes away what makes that platform special,and Phil knows that,I think he should be more worried that xbox haven't released a decent exclusive for over a decade.
@vapidwolf Xbox Announces Cloud Gaming Streaming Sticks, TV Integration
Eh, give it time.
It's funny that Phil Good Spencer (dam I said it again, don't come at me phil defence force head hunters, it's not that serious haha) tries to fire shots at Sony in his usual self righteous virtue signaling mode but actually ends up giving a compliment without realising it.
@FatalBubbles Just like he says Spencer’s reasoning is “off-base”. Writers seem to think articles are just facts but put a lot of thinly veiled opinion in them as well.
Anyway, I hate fanboyism on either side. It’s stupid. Own both consoles and love them for different reasons.
Perhaps he should shut up for a while and come back when there are some decent MS Studios exclusive games out on PC & XBox 'cos it looks like Sony is winning this round...again!
@sanderson72 E3 this weekend.
@get2sammyb "It always amuses me how Nintendo is always exempt from these kind of discussions. It's always Sony who needs an answer to Game Pass or who needs a better PC strategy."
Yes because Nintendo isn't even entertaining the idea of putting their ip's somewhere else and aren't starving for money. If they put Breath of the Wild on Steam today the entire store would crash because of the insane traffic.
You want to play Mario or Zelda you need a Nintendo system, you want to play the very best versions of Horizon or Days gone? Well you need a PC not a PlayStation system.
If this is the route Jimmy boy chose then he needs to go all in and just put the games date on date instead of dinking around, if money is what's most important then putting them on PC and PlayStation the same day will get the maximum amount of profits from both platforms.
To be fair, it's pretty easy to release all of your first party exclusives on PC and Xbox simultaneously when you don't have any.
When I was younger I held the opinion that playstation games should only be on playstation because it justifies the purchase of the system to have exclusive games to play. As i’ve gotten older though Ive definitely changed my thoughts on the topic. I feel like games should be made available to as many people as possible. I would totally be down for playstation games to launch day and date on pc.
@awp69 I’m with ya. I just want to play all the games so having both consoles is a no brainer.
Also it's funny how this will end up everyone including media and Spencer will blame gamers for making everything a console war.
Come on! Do you think they are innocent or naive? Haha
They know what they are doing.
I have no problem with Sony holding onto their exclusives. That’s what makes console gaming great. A console is a ticket to something exclusive you can play. Ever since Sonic and Mario. Heck, I go back to the days of Colecovision where I’d envy my cousin’s exclusives like Zaxxon, and Smurfs.
But it’s also about time Microsoft got a little bold and took shots at Sony. They’ve been playing the nice guy for too long, congratulating Sony on their launches and pretending Sony didn’t totally dunk on them with their “how Playstation handles game sharing videos” THAT was snarky and attacking and I have no problem with MS punching back.
"Gamer" Phil at it again! Evil Sony locking out PC players out of its exclusives.😱..after getting M$ HQ to shell out billions acquiring the likes of Zenimax & all their 3rd party devs therein to deny other consoles access to previously 3rd party titles permanently!🙄
Gaming for all...so long it's on an Xbox account & preferably renting on gamepass than buying them, right Phil?!
If exclusives are the only reason you buy a PS console, then that doesn't speak very highly of how much value you get out of the PS platform.
It's very funny how many people fall for Phil's "Aw shucks, I'm just a humble executive who wants what's best for everyone!" schtick. Fact of the matter is, PlayStation is Phil's competitor and Phil would like to see less PlayStation consoles sold. It's that simple and there's nothing wrong with that! That's just business! But for the love of God people, stop acting like he's your personal friend or something. These parasocial relationships are getting out of control. All those "Make love, not console wars!" Tweets are just tailor-made for people who would get tricked by a wallet inspector.
Everyone whinging that Phil took a “shot” at Sony (even though he just stated a fact; he is allowed to mention other strategies) but when Jim says something about Xbox it’s all fair game? At least Phil doesn’t backtrack 5 seconds later.
I think what annoys me is that Phil Spencer has actually been extremely good for Xbox; which in turn is good for the gaming industry. He will most likely stay in the gaming industry for his career. Maybe moving around companies; we need more people in the industry like him. Not Jim Ryan. And Playstation fans should actually be wanting that too. But instead they complain about a good thing out of blind loyalty.
Fannin’ the flames for the fanbois, get them clicks! Mmm, engagement.
@uptownsoul You can play them on your Mac through Xcloud (in beta now)
Regardless if Day 1 on PC, I still need a console.
Renting, buying used, trading physical games is how I keep my gaming budget under control.
I am selling R&C to a co-worker as soon as I am done with it. Not an option on PC
That said - Glad I could play MEDIUM on PC, and glad MH-Rise is coming to PC. I have zero problem with Sony giving that option also.
Is this guy a moron? Does he not know who he works for? The biggest pc software makers and pc store so whatever games Microsoft make of course they are coming to pc lol but to playstation selling to pc is just selling to another platform for them that's not their own.
Also let's talk fair when making Bethesda games exclusive to xbox ignoring millions upon millions of playstation and nintendo players behind.
I respect what they have done with gamepass and I'm enjoying it and glad I jumped on board but this guy is just an hypocrite, don't see what people see in him
Ahh I'm glad you brought up the point of Windows because I was going to mention that too. Microsoft more or less have a Monopoly in the PC OS system market so really he's making a fool of himself here.
Ooh so the gloves are off.
Don't worry Phil, within a year or two Sony will probably release games day one on PC and a few years later close their hardware business.
That's the end goal isn't it? Create a monopoly or at least end your closest competition.
Watch the Xbots try and spin this!
Frankly, though, it's clear that Spencer WISHES that MS had Sony's talent when it comes to producing excellent first-party titles that people buy their hardware for.
This is exactly why they bought ZeniMax, because they hoped that with so many studios working in tandem under their belt, would be sure to produce something worthwhile for a change.
“Sony has continuously stated that its PC efforts have always been about expanding the fanbase of its IPs, not a cynical cash grab to get the hardcore to double-dip on its titles.”
Come on, Sony has been very clear they are all about money. “Games are too expensive to develop” and all that. They want return on investment, not a charity. They are not pushing their games to PC just so more people can play them, they are doing so to get more sales. And of course double dipping is part of it!
@FatalBubbles Doesn't bother me in the slightest. It only stems more division if you let it.
@nessisonett We hear more about what he says than Jim Ryan.
I think no one wants to remember what Jim Ryan says, much less PS fans.
@LiamCroft you print what you like. It seems if it's something attacking or criticising Sony that's fine but merely reporting the words of the 'other team' is testament to a declaration of war!
The mask occasionally slips from cuddly Uncle Phil and the Xbox fans don't like it.
"It always amuses me how Nintendo is always exempt from these kind of discussions. It's always Sony who needs an answer to Game Pass or who needs a better PC strategy."
I mean, it's not amusing, it's painfully obvious.
Nintendo had the foresight of creating their own bubble in order not to compete directly with the other behemoths, cause they knew they wouldn't have had a chance on an economical and technological standpoint.
The fact that they are exempt from this discussion is itself proof that they've made the smartest choice; not everything needs to be homogenized, and I think that's Sony's main problem.
Sony are very good at what they do, but they don't seem to have the same foresight in that they're still openly competing with MS, and we all know that's never a good idea, since MS can play the long game, bleed money for decades, and still come out on top at the end.
Sony don't have the same luxury, and that's why I think MS's focus on GamePass and services is more beneficial to Sony than MS at the moment, because if MS wanted to take the battle to Sony's own turf they'd "lose" now, but certainly "win" in the long run.
TL;DR: it's expected of Sony to respond to MS because they're still fighting in more or less the same space, although they've been differentiating their businesses these last few years.
If Sony didn't want to openly compete, I'm afraid they'd have to create their own niche like Nintendo did, cause you simply cannot expect to compete with MS's basically infinite resources.
@Reyren So when is BotW coming to PS? Halo as well?
Don't be daft, nothing wrong with exclusives as long as there are enough third party developers that can cater for all.
@Royalblues I know; it’s hard to be objective. But would be great if we could all determine what was and wasn’t good for the gaming industry going forward and kind of push for that? Playstation has some incredible single-player games and though it’s less discussed; Xbox has some incredible Multiplayer experiences. I’m loving the way things are going at the moment and i’m excited for it all! Just wish the toxicity/immaturity wouldn’t drive away that which is beneficial (just like playstation fans trashing gamepass instead of asking Sony to match it/best it - such a waste).
Though if i’m completely honest; I have in the past called out Sony for copying Xbox with things like trophies etc. But actually that just made it a more standardised thing and i’m glad they did it.
@Juanalf if you want to play them on the release date you buy a PlayStation. Want to wait 2-3 years and pay full price whilst they have probably been put on psplus, buy a PC.
@K1LLEGAL mate, MS can afford to run GP on behalf of the Xbox division but I'm really not sure Sony could do the same, at least not with the same quality and lack of MTXs.
MS know this, they're trying to turn Sony into a software only company. If they win it won't be because of talent but simply because they have deeper pockets.
I'm sure there will be some very exciting games coming out on Xbox over the next few years and beyond but man it's going to be tough giving them even a single penny of my money.
I would take it more seriously if it was Activision, EA or someone else talking, but not Microsoft, they forgot PC gaming even existed for almost 15 years.
Still salty about the fact they put both Flight Simulator and Age of Empire in cold storage.
@Col_McCafferty true! The deep pockets definitely help. I guess Sony would have to tailor the service to fit them. They have been doing great with PS+ lately so maybe some kind of hybrid as people have suggested before. Doesn’t need to be a straight up copy; but my point was more about immature fans trashing something even though it’s good just because it’s not on their console; which I am so bored of.
With regards to giving Microsoft your money… I mean; if they offer a game that you think is worth playing for the price it will cost you; don’t let their name stand in the way. No one will know that you played a “Microsoft” game. Would be a shame to miss out on something great if you have access to it. I think you and I have had a similar discussion before and I appreciate that i’m not/no longer on your blocklist
@nessisonett thats mainly because he doesn't stop talking, ever. I have a series X and am often on PureXbox but every day is an article about what Phil says. To me its a little odd. It maybe because there aren't really any games to talk about so its a way to get hits but I reckon once the games do actually start coming in we will probably hear less about his daily routines.
@K1LLEGAL nice comments. Don't completely agree or disagree if I'm being honest. I'm not keen on giving them my money but probably need to not rule it out as I think they're finally going to release some compelling content over the next few years.
Were you? Can't remember why I would've done that?
@uptownsoul for now yes. But if you have the game on GamePass Ultimate it is available on xCloud. Which includes all first party games.
And where are the 'other' articles about Phil Spencer congratulating Insomniac on R&C or defending Cory Barlog and praising him for his Leadership after receiving abuse for delaying God of War...
That isn't going to add fuel to the Console war fire, isn't clickbait to Playstation fanboys hungry for something to be incensed about so pick on something that is factually accurate as if its somehow a major slight against Sony.
We know Sony doesn't have the same interest in PC gaming and, unlike MS, their primary customers are the Playstation gamers. PC gamers are a Primary customer of MS and had been neglected for years as MS focussed on their Console gamers only - why make games for only a select group of customers instead of ALL?
In context, if Phil is talking to a PC centric interviewer, then what he says is perfectly fine. PC gamers will be interested to know that 'every' game from the multitude of Studio's will come to PC day and date - where as Sony's line-up, well you might get lucky in a few years to play these games - but you'll have to rebuy them IF you already bought the PS versions.
Point is, with E3 around the corner, Phil is essentially saying 'watch our showcase' as all the games, the release dates etc apply to PC Gamers too where as, if Sony were at E3, the vast majority of games won't come to PC and the few that eventually do, won't release on the same day as the console.
That is a FACT! how you want to interpret that Fact, whether you think its a dig at Playstation for having their own agenda and plans or not though really depends on how insecure and defensive you are with Sony.
The ONLY people that are affected by this is PC gamers. It doesn't matter whether H:FW comes to PC or not for anyone who doesn't game on PC and they may end up buying a PS5 to play H:FW only to find its coming to PC a few years later. The difference is that when Gears 6 comes out, you can buy it once and play on multiple devices inc PC so no reason to buy an Xbox - which will impact on overall 'sales' of that hardware BUT not impact on sales or instal base.
I am NOT a PC gamer and to me, this is aimed primarily at them. Letting them know that ALL these studio purchases and games they are making will come to PC day and date. At most, its more a dig at those that put 'console hardware' sales as the most important factor - explaining why Xbox won't sell as many units but why its still very strong with a massive user base to cater for.
What about MINECRAFT Phil? You not charging me for every platform I want it on, I want it on ps4,xbox, switch, pc, vita, 3ds and mobile, you going to let me pay once?
@BAMozzy Well said
@K1LLEGAL You are literally a fanboy criticising other fanboys lol
@UltimateOtaku91 If you play it on xCloud, yes....
Add the following to your list:
"Xbox Announces Cloud Gaming Streaming Sticks, TV Integration"
Let's see if Spider-Man hits PC shall we? I'll no doubt get Horizon on PC, but I find other Sony exclusives have an oddness about them and I just don't find any of them that good.
@get2sammyb I think Nintendo fans (and those who aren't) have just accepted Nintendo has it's own little planet that it's own stuff, some stuff held back power wise for the Switch (that's also on PS4/5), or the scraps that can be ported with worse performance and a Switch tax. But you're still right, considering Nintendo exclusives are the core of the Switch, it is funny how no one ever complains about them not going elsewhere. They do make the Switch worth buying though, so it's a good business strategy and why I have one.
Good to see MS release all it's AAA titles on both Xbox and PC. All 2 of them, Forza and Halo.
Will take Sony a long time to better that.
Really in that glasshouse MS should be quiet.
Phil need to shut up.playsstation should of not put theyre games on pc anyway.word up son
Phil should focus on getting a critically acclaimed first party game out the door for the Series X, instead of worrying about Playstation's PC strategy. All of that talent acquisition they went around buying up couldn't get a game ready for release, and 7 months later nothing's changed. At this point it's unclear if anythings even coming out this year. I sincerely hope that's not the case for Xbox fans, hopefully there's some good news for them over the next few days.
I don't think sony should port their games to pc at all, just remake them with new engine (like maybe horizon zd remake with horizon fw engine) on their new console and charge them full price, like nintendo. it will be more profitable than porting them on pc and wait for pcgamers buy them (when it's discounted heavily).
Everything that's gone wrong with PlayStation can be traced back to them putting their North American headquarters in California in 1995. As we all know, California is the birthplace of all purple-haired SJWs. Anyway, does anyone else smell burnt toast?
When did GTA5 launch on PC again? More than just Sony. Its strategy
Ugh I find Phil so smug and irritating…
I’d still rather be reading an article reminding people that the FF7 Remake Intergrade upgrade is live. Just sayin’
@BAMozzy Complaining that there aren't enough articles heaping praise on a corporate executive for meaningless gestures? We get enough of that as is!
I’m so mad he indirectly talked smack about a corporation I’ve bought products from! To arms!
Does it matter no
so why is everyone getting so wound up about it ?
Sony living rent free in this goobers head. Can't go 5 minutes without a snide comment.
This is just another reminder of just how petty heads of companies can be. Haha! Sony's guilty of it and Xbox is too. It's kind of hilarious.
@Grimwood I have a gaming PC but I much prefer to play on Console. So yes there is a reason to buy a console. Not everyone enjoys PC gaming. I tried PC Gaming, but I am back to my PS5 and XSX.
Spencer's objective in an interview is to make his company look good - and if throwing some shade on a competitor helps, then expect him to do it. His job is not to be fair, unbiased, reasonable, or comprehensive.
He might make more sense complaining about Nintendo, who largely doesn't release their games on PC at all, but that's nothing new and hasn't been in the news recently, so it's not a point worth making. He's simply trying to tie back to his own company's sales approach, which is now largely driven by subscription sales over purchases, and positioning their cloud initiative as the Next Big Thing.
It seems to me that Microsoft wants to get out of the console business ASAP, and move on to Cloud everything. ASAP is going to be several years, still, so they aren't about to short this generation - but XBox as we know it is clearly not where Microsoft hopes to be for much longer.
@RobN "Microsoft Is Already Working On New Xbox Consoles, But Don't Expect To See Them Soon"
@BAMozzy interesting take, but since when have pc gamers meant a damn when it comes to sony's success with playstation? never. pc gamers should be thankful that sony is putting out ANYTHING on pc. asking for anything more is just entitlement at this point. sony does not need to make any more effort than it already has and with or without the pc community, playstation will be fine. in fact, considering how large the pc base is, they don't make much of an impact in the grand scheme of things. horizon has old sold a palty 1m copies (estimate) on pc after 9 months on sale. death stranding and days gone both sold in the 500k range during their first month on pc. compare that to the 10m+ sales of horizon on ps4 (the majority of those sales were calculated at the 12th month mark). essentially, what sony is getting on pc is 1/10th of the playstation sales. to me, that sounds rather lackluster but more revenue is always a good thing, i won't deny that. at the end of the day, though, i don't think sony needs to feel concerned about how the pc community looks at its strategy and phil will have no bearing on sony's success no matter what he may spew out next.
Some companies won't release on pc at all due to piracy concerns and others like rockstar don't port their console games over straight away either. GTA 5 and red dead 2 came years after the console release and that was down to the studio. They never even released the first red dead for pc because of piracy concerns so I don't see how it's now a problem just because it's Sony.
It also works the same the other way around. How many times have console players had to wait years for pc games to port over if they even did at all.
I mean that’s easy to say when Microsoft has literally no exclusives to talk about lol Sony can wait for PC releases because they churn out masterpiece AAA games over & over that everyone wants to play 🤷🏽♂️
I'm confused. Does buying a microsoft xbox game automatically grant you free access to the PC version as well? Or is he talking about a subscription to Game Pass Ultimate?
I don't even care about the fact that I'm paying full price for 4 year old games lmao. I just want to play them
Nah he's just a giant hypocrite.
That's why at every xbox conference you hear loud drum rolls and announcing from loudspeakers 'INCLUSIVE'!!!
Boy, the amount of fanboyism in this comment section...
@uptownsoul I didnt say they would be today. But in time it is possible. Soon you will be able to play GamePass games on Smart Tvs (with a dongle or built in), Phones, computers, Xbox, etc. The potential market is huge.
3rd devs would only need to target GamePass and have their games playable on practically any device.
@RubyCarbuncle How do you recommend I stop people from fanboy console war nonsense?
XBox is Microsoft & Microsoft is XBox. They are trying so hard to make "the console" irrelevant. Cross-play, release games on PC, XCloud, GamePass, etc. And to some degree, Sony's been playing into their hand. But if Sony buys into it all the way, it will make the PlayStation as irrelevant as the XBox. And in that space, Microsoft wins. Unless Sony does their own "PlayStation on PC" store and battles MS toe to toe, I don't see this favorably for them.
@Play Because Microsoft and Nintendo have a good partnership. Banjo in smash, cuphead, ori and the blind forest... Allowing Minecraft crossplay. Nintendo has never once actually bit back at Xbox. Microsoft knows when the time comes Nintendo will roll over for them.
Putting games on pc on day one removes a big reason to own the console, DUH! If the console is the only place to play for years, you buy the console.
@FatalBubbles Don't respond to them? if you see someone trying to stir things up then ignore them. Like others have said I too game on everything and hate fanboys which is why I don't engage with them.
@Subsided " Xbox PC games tend to be unoptimized and glitch filled messes"
Besides the general issues with the Microsoft store. What Xbox games on PC been an "unoptimized and glitch filled messes"? Unless you're playing on a potato. Most of their releases have been extremely top notch especially for games that been hardcode for console hardware.
@uptownsoul because Microsoft has data centers all over the work. It is called Azure.
@Col_McCafferty I don’t think the comment was ‘daft’,all I was saying is that I think putting games on as many platforms as possible is pro consumer. I understand why exclusives exist, companies like nintendo and sony want to compel customers to purchase their products. I’d love to see nintendo games on other platforms, what a great thing it would be for xbox and playstation players! Is their any benefit to a consumer for a product to be exclusive? I’d argue no. Again, not daft, just giving an opinion of mine that has evolved over time.
One of the reasons Microsoft is selling hardly any consoles each gen is because all their Exclusives are on PC from day one so...SONY! DON'T! DO! IT!!!
Xbok can’t criticize about launching anything when they haven’t released ***** on their “Worlds Strongest Console”. How long is it been since they released a exclusive for their console? I’ll wait….. Can’t stand Phile Spencer dude has that face you wanna punch the F out over and over.
@badbob001 Yes. Most of their game on PC if bought through the Windows store have been giving a away free xbox copy, or vice versa if you buy a Xbox copy. You get a the Window 10 copy for free.
EDIT: It part of their "Play anyway" program. So 3rd party games are apart of it as well like Yakuza: Like a Dragon
I cannot stand the man why do we need to hear his contradictions on this site! Sony needs to stay a million miles from MS strategies they are killing them for a reason.
@FatalBubbles Doesn't taking shots at Sony also sow division? Like, why shoot the messenger? Reporting on it can't be more "fanning the flames" than actually, well... saying it.
@nessisonett They know it, but at the end of the day it's all about the views. Articles like this basically guarantee high traffic if nothing else but the Sony Fanboys coming to spout more ****. I mean look how many comments are posted here already.
> not a cynical cash grab to get the hardcore to double-dip on its titles
Some BS from Sony right here. If they weren't doing cash grabs by having people double dip then all multiplatform games would be cross buy (and/or there wouldn't be different platform trophy lists) and there wouldn't be different region trophy lists.
And that's why there's no reason for anyone with a decent PC to buy an Xbox, Phil.
@nessisonett Be fair, though, most of what Phil Spencer says about PlayStation is accurate and relevant to PlayStation owners. Most of what Jim Ryan says isn't.
What a stupid comment. Literally that is the main reason Sony is paying studios to make games, so they could sell their hardware first.
It seems that he tried to sound cool , but falls flat. Easy to talk when Microsoft owns windows.
This is no different from Jim Ryan saying "they believe in generations". Both companies takes a jab at each other around E3 week, and their most loyal fanboys uses it as an ammunition to wage console war bs on Twitter 🙄
Anyone with a clue about the gaming business can easily see through this remark. I guess Microsoft is in the phase of the console cycle where they rev up their own fans.
@Floki Really? Sea of thrives, state of decay 2, crackdown 3, recore, and pretty much every other Xbox first party
@Subsided Like I said, beside the normal Windows Store related issues. I never heard/had any real problems with quality of these game performance. Did they have performance issues, yes, but every PC game have performance issues. They were definitely not "unoptimized and glitch filled messes". They released in better shape than 70% of releaes on PC.
Oh gee. Seriously?
@zupertramp I actually thought he was bragging about how consumer friendly they are by pointing out what they do better. I would say if someone took offense to it then they’re validating what Xbox is doing is better.
I wouldn’t have read what he said and thought oh dang he’s really going after Sony unless someone wrote an article saying that’s what he was doing. 🤷🏼♂️
@FatalBubbles Fair enough but it is framed pretty much the exact same way on PureXbox. And I'm pretty sure they published the story before PushSquare.
I guess one could argue that being sister sites they have an interest in whipping up their respective audiences but I don't know, it could also be both clickbait and an unmistakable shot at Sony. Not like Phil Spencer doesn't know what he's saying here. Like it's a hypothetical or something.
I’m glad Sony doesn’t release day and date on PC so we don’t get watered down crap like XB does. I have no problem with it going there down the road but Sony’s strategy seems to be working. Can’t say the same for Phil and company. He would be happy if there was no such thing as a home console anymore and everything went pc. I for one hate pc gaming and never want that to be my main way to play!
Xbox will have exclusives incoming soon and then things will heat up. Can't wait for 2023.
Microsoft is going back to being a PC developer, that happens to have a console available for those who want to game on a console. This is essentially Microsoft reverting to what it was in the '90s before Xbox. If that's what people want, great. I prefer my exclusive console experience, but will dabble in PC games from time to time.
The major difference is Game Pass, allowing me to identify the available games I want to play on my PC at a fraction of actually buying them. I'll just cancel once done until something else catches my interest...but I'll still be gaming on my console.
Yeah, they just buy them instead, and even then how long do we need to wait for actual releases?
I was all about Xbox during the 360 era, they have nothing that interests me anymore. Even though I've got a few more years of GamePass Ultimate from taking advantage of the dirt cheap $1 upgrade a while back, I havent turned my XB1 on in years outside of just to update it, if even that.
Game Pass is nice for consumers, but I just see it as the console version of all the hate I read about the Epic Games Store. Let's just throw open our enormous coffers of money and persuade people to come to us instead of actually putting in the effort to bring them to us.
The XB1 is now almost 8 years old, and instead of spending those 8 years using their enormous resources of money to start up new 1st party studios to bolster their games lineup, they just throw money at 3rd party developers and buy them outright and then will highly likely utilize the BS strategy of making tons of historically multiplatform games now a "Console Exclusive", timed or permanent.
As much as I agree that Game Pass is a good deal, I also think it will have long term damaging effects on the Video Game industry.
Having a Netflix of games is nice, in theory, but it'll just end up like streaming media is now. Every big publisher will want to have their piece. Then we'll get Ubisoft Pass, EA Pass (already do on both in a way), 2K Pass, Square Enix Pass, etc. Then publishers will just forgo Game Pass entirely and make their games exclusive to their own subscription based models.
Between digital and streaming/downloading/subscription based gaming options, it's an even bigger push against anyone ever owning the games they buy.
@zupertramp It absolutely is framed like that on Pure Xbox and I called them out for the clickbait console war crap too. Lol.
More desperate Phil talk damage controlling for not releasing games. No one cares Xbox doesn't value it's console base as #1 anymore, we could see that years ago. This declaration isn't new for you, we already knew this was your strategy, you reiterating trying to win PR points isn't going to hide the fact that you haven't released anything since Xbox Series X/S launched while Jim has(yes, i'll give Jim credit for this for a change lol). Surely Jim and Hermen isn't dumb enough to fall for this, surely they aren't..................
I guess PS 2 PC titles should be cheaper right especially coming out 2-3 years later but this isn't for people who own a playstation already or playstation fans to go out to buy again and play the same game all over it's for a NEW audience
@Jarobusa you can twist facts any way you want. I'm sure they taught you this simple fact at school?
@Juanalf no it will not. But everyone is a business expert these days online. You people would run businesses to the ground.
In other words
"I ruined the Xbox platform by launching day and date games and now we have no exclusives so I had to create a bulls**t tagline of 'Console Exclusive'. I can't take that back now so I'll bait Sony to follow suit and ruin their platform to level the playing field because no one outside the core die hard fanboys want an Xbox".
Seriously Phil, stay in your lane.
We'd hope so, but Jim is a moron and Phil is good at bait. I certainly hope not because that will kill PlayStation console gaming for me and I've been a fan since the original.
I'm not even happy about games launching on PC natively in the first place. It just devalues the platform that little bit more. I'm not saying they shouldn't be allowed to play but for God sake Sony you have a service on OC called OSNow that you completely ignore. USE IT! it will create a continuous monthly revenue stream as opposed to single purchases. If PC players really want to play these games they will take the offer.
Lol. Just lol. Come on, who can take this remark seriously? Just laugh and move on. I wouldn't buy the games a second time even if I had a decent PC for it. I could probably manage Horizon on low settings with my laptop but what's the point? I platinumed it last year and it was great, so now if I do go back I'll new game plus it on ps4 tbh.
Misery loves company...Phil just wants to see PlayStation become irrelevant like Xbox has. As a long time pc gamer and 3090 owner it would be better if they both left the PC space completely and stuck with the traditional model. Stop trying to force this “eco system” and cloud BS. It has never worked and never will. Look at Ps4 last gen, massive success, look at Nintendo now, massive success, and last time Xbox was a massive success was the 360 era before all this PC and cloud nonsense. Clearly the traditional model is the best, why are these idiots trying to reinvent the wheel? Phil you will never reach this imaginary 1 billion gamers. A curated experience solely for Xbox console owners will always be better for a half assed and bland experience for “everyone”.
@FatalBubbles yeah I didn't really wade into the comments over there so missed that. Really I avoided the comments here for awhile too because I assumed there'd be a lot of overzealous white-knighting on Sony's behalf, which would then provoke counter responses but, like a moth to flame I couldn't resist.
Still, I hesitate to blame reporters for the existence of console war mentality. MS and Sony are in competition with one another. It's inevitable people will take sides. I try not too get to worked up about it.
@Subsided I would to play Recore some day and Ori but besides that im good oh sorry forgot about Hellblade that one does hurt.
@FatalBubbles You dont have to buy anything but you can if you want. But i rather buy the new part on the console.😁
@BrainHacker But that was a response to something instead of the standard frustated remark. 🤪
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@Floki lol, they are not normal issues just because terrible development is common among Microsofts studios
@Flaming_Kaiser Whatever Jim Ryan or Phil Spencer said, will always be a response to what the other company is doing or saying. You can take their words however you want but at the end of the day, it's just a marketing speech for their company. No need to make a big deal out of it.
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