The decision to make a PlayStation 4 version of Gran Turismo 7 to go alongside its current-gen counterpart was only made "fairly recently", according to a new write up from Video Games Chronicle editor Andy Robinson. As part of an opinion piece criticising Sony for yesterday's announcement that God of War Ragnarok and the aforementioned racer would both be hitting PS4, Robinson said: "Gran Turismo 7, after all, was outright advertised as a PS5 exclusive in December, although to be fair to Sony, I understand the decision to release a PS4 version was made only fairly recently."
He then goes on to explain that while Polyphony Digital's next project was only made a cross-gen title recently, Horizon Forbidden West and God of War Ragnarok have always been intended to launch on both systems — Sony just decided to withhold that information. "For Horizon Forbidden West and God of War, however, these games were always intended to release as cross-gen titles, I was told, but Sony did not mention the last-gen console during the announcement of either title."
We covered this topic overnight, questioning whether Sony lied to its hardcore audience. What do you think of this? Do you believe the claim from VGC? Let us know in the comments below.
[source videogameschronicle.com]
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Makes perfect sense.....loads of PS4 = Profit.....go down the PS5 route means less money hooray to money.......The Crazy thing is I would of bought a PS5 as soon as Gran Turismo 7 was released.........now I have saved money and I will by an Xbox S Forza is a decent game add the Simulator flight Football manager and we are good to go......oh plus the massive back catalogue should keep me going till PS6 drops.
I don't really see how that's possible as they'd have to have designed it with PS4 all along. Maybe they were uncertain of whether to actually release that version, but seems like a lot of work to go to for a product you don't think will see the light of day.
Either way, looking forward to the game a lot!
I really hope those squeeze-between-rocks that disguise loading times aren't in GT7 now that it's also coming to PS4.
That confirms my suspicions.
GT7 will probably be the worst of the three on PS4. I always knew in the back of my head that Horizon and GOW were going to be cross gen. Their development times hinted at it.
GT7 was the huge surprise. And considering that normal development procedures involve starting at the lowest common denominator and working upwards from there, the development of the PS4 version of GT7 will be backwards. That’s much more difficult to achieve with satisfactory results.
It’s probably going to be heavily compromised, with a significant difference in graphical fidelity between the two version.
@Octane
GT7 is a menu based selection game type. You select a race, it loads up, and then you play it. Then you return to the menu.
Chances are the PS5 version will have no noticeable load screen (maybe a fade to black for two or three seconds after track selection) and the PS4 version will have a traditional loading screen.
Sounds about right to me.
This is the only game they clearly advertised as PS5 exclusive and technically lied about. So the recent change explains that.
Although I imagine this will push development even further back now.
I don't know why people don't think a game can be developed for a more powerful platform and a scaled down to meet the requirements of a lower performing platform. It happens all the time when games are developed on PC and put on console.
As long as the PS5 features are all accounted for, like DualSense, higher framerates and resolution, better audio, and all of that is downgraded for PS4 then I don't care.
@Octane They’ll have pit stops where you move really slowly to disguise loading times 😂😂
Ahhhh.... the return of standard vs. premium car models. All's right with PlayStation now. That was pretty tense without it.
Probably delayed to release on PS4 unfortunately. Can’t blame Sony though, they haven’t sold as many consoles as anticipated due to semiconductor shortages, and this is going to result in games being less profitable if only next gen, plus if people can’t buy a ps5 then the exclusives can’t induce them to buy a ps5...
As long as the PS5 version supports PSVR/PSVR2, I be well happy,
The sheer amount of excitement I’ve lost for some Sony exclusives is absolutely incredible. They really had me looking a lot of games, but a combination of bad pricing and deceit has me lost.
I’m getting pretty disappointed with how Sony has handled the PS5.
With games like GT the more players to race the better.
I'm glad it's on both.
This is why Forbidden West looks almost the same as Zero Dawn. That and GOW are games designed for the PS4 that are playable on PS5.
People should read the entire opinion piece. What he says about things like enemy counts, etc. being compromised by cross gen development makes sense (and he himself has worked on games). So while they still might look fantastic on PS5, there may be compromises that aren’t just about graphics. It is a shame if this happens.
Blah blah blah. Split milk.
This whole situation reminds me of when PC players always complained about console players holding their machines back. Eventually they got over that for the most part so I'm sure PS5 owners will get over this too. Just be patient everyone.
I dont care about cross-gen, but the price of the games should reflect the fact they are cross-gen releases - like RE Village, Sackboy etc.
I dont think its right to charge £70 if the game has been developed for last gen hardware, wheras i have more sympathy for stuff like Demons Souls, Ratchet and Returnal which need to take account of the fact there is a smaller install base
I really don’t see what the problem is. As far as it goes business wise it makes sense and I’m glad as many people as possible get to play these games and not everyone can get a PS5 right now. It’s a win win. We’ll see some true PS5 stuff over the next few years and I’m happy with that.
Oh well, I just hope the games is good. I hope gt7 has big single player portion like previous gt 😃
@Korgon Pc gamers will never get games that's use 100% capabilities of their high-end gaming rig since it's only small part of pc market (see steam hardware survey). Rather than console, it's low-end pc that limit high-end gaming rig.
The games that sells a lot on pc isn't crysis (infact that devs nearly bankrupt), it's the minecraft, the pubg, and the valheim, games with simple graphics that can be played on any pc.
The VGC writer is going off of the same Hulst commentary as everyone else. ThIs is a non-article. I don't see any "GT7 on PS4" confirmations yet.
let us acknowledge that this latest news poses, both, pros and cons. it is not one sided. it is good for those who will not get their hands on a ps5 for another 6,12,18+ months. it is good because more people can enjoy the game and sony will garner far more software sales in catering to 120m ps4 users (and ps5 users) instead of a measly 10m ps5 users.
that said, it is bad because gt7 will need to be compromised in some ways and this poses new design challenges for the team as they revert their original vision. they will need to take away ps5 exclusive features in order to make a finished product that can run on the ps4 competently. also, let's get real. those who got themselves a ps5 did so because they bought into "next gen" gaming and the possibilities that it presented over and above the last gen. instead, they are getting a mish-mash of some new, some old, and some cross gen experiences and it simply dillutes the excitement and expectations when compared to previous console generations.
you need to look at this from all angles. nobody is absolutely wrong or right in sharing their opinion so there is no point in trying to correct someone in seeing either perspective. i see all the angles equally. at the end of the day, these decisions by sony will impact people in a myriad of ways.
I think demon souls threw everyone off in terms of thinking many games in development for PS5 would solely be for PS5 but nah. Seems like it’s just the second party games that will be exclusive for PS5 & Ratchet.
@Porco I think they can afford to not have feature parity in a game like gt7 as long as they offer a free upgrade to the PS5 version when playing on a PS4. But will they just make both versions the same, with the PS5 version just having better graphics? Definitely.
This makes perfect sense to me. Easy to increase settings for the PS5 version while still allowing PS4 players as both machines are x86 based. This would’ve probably happened with GT6 back in 2013 if it wasn’t for the major architectural differences between PS3 and PS4.
Does this mean that GT7 was designed & optimized for PS5, and the PS4 version will only be a port? Or still the other way around?
@theMEGAniggle Maybe like a Pokemon thing with extra's on the PS5 who knows.
@Flaming_Kaiser I’m crossing my fingers for that but not hopeful
I don’t put much weight on the labels on the trailer. Remember they also said Demon Souls was going to be PC and PS5.
Seems Sony made another PS4 instead of PS5
I haven’t played GT since the original, I’ve never played God of War and I didn’t play horizon. I loved GT but the others don’t look for me.
That being said, if they were PS5 exclusive right now when there isn’t many next gen games, I’d buy all 3. As it is, I won’t get any of them. If it’s just upscaled PS4 ports then there’s plenty of those around that I’ll probably enjoy more.
@Boucho11 problem is that it’s holding gaming back. The PS5 version of the game will be designed at least with the ten plus year old base PS4 in mind if not for that and simply upscaled.
PS4 cannot exceed what really should have been its last games, Ghost, TLOU2, FF7R,
So we’re all stuck at that level until Sony agrees to let it die. Very selfish attitude from PS4 users too I think - tons of games you can play on your system and this isn’t going anywhere and would still be here when you get a ps5. So your attitude essentially makes it a worse game for future you.
@Number09 Xbox is far less noisy too. With the coil whine and all this cross play stuff I’m thinking just to sell the PS5 after FF7R intergrade.
Series X definitely seems the better choice at the moment.
@Justin113 I agree I think Microsoft were ready and I think Sony were just quite not.
@Porco A generally balanced post, I applaud looking from all angles, here's a few more
"it is bad because gt7 will need to be compromised in some ways"... "those who got themselves a ps5 did so because they bought into "next gen" gaming and the possibilities that it presented over and above the last gen." etc.
Neither is necessarily beyond this title. In the PS4 version of the game they can have, for example, one dumbed down simulation system that can run on the Jaguar CPU. On PS5 they have have a separate more complex system, or more likely, many additional subsystems turned on, sacrificing features on the PS4.
This is how modern development is optimised, sliders, boolean toggles and replacing whole systems for other systems e.g. Ray tracing for one, pre-baked lighting for another.
Yes there could in theory be a few fundamental decisions that might change if you were only building for PS5. BUT with a game that has reportedly been in development since before GT Sport released in 2017, well before PS5 specs or dev kits, GT7 would always have been developed with PS4 in mind so this doesn't really apply here. (or for GoW:R or H:FW)
If you want a truly "from the ground up" AAA PS5 game it isn't going to be in the first few years or the consoles lifecycle!
Yes, I 'understand ' is only speculation for VGC. It could be but I'm sceptical.
I think GT7 advert was a big mistake but the point is Sony never made a 'U-Turn' on all the games. It's another fantasy speculation to have something to talk about in the papers.
The way Jim Ryan full quote was butchered in the press is either stupid or dishonest.
Those games being cross gen is disappointing but fair.
Note how the press would bash gamers who would promote next gen exclusives (as entitled or selffish) in other time but the inconsistent narrative is what matters for arguments and clickbaits.
Also note how the narrative is now that Sony is saying ALL games are cross gen. No, they didn't say that either. On the contrary they talked about show case games exclusive to PS5.
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