Epic Games tabled a deal with a minimum guarantee of $200 million for Sony to port four to six of its first-party exclusives to the Epic Games Store. As part of an internal memo dated September 2020 – published on ResetEra as part of the ongoing court battle between the Unreal Engine maker and Apple – the document notes that it was, at the time, “still awaiting feedback” from the platform holder.
A minimum guarantee means that Sony would be paid $200 million for the software regardless of commercial performance. It’d then likely earn a royalties on the titles if they exceeded the aforementioned sum. However, it’s unclear whether the Japanese giant agreed to the deal: Days Gone, for example, is scheduled to release later this month on both Steam and the Epic Games Store.
We’re going to assume that it’s yet to accept Epic Games’ terms, as Deacon St John’s debut would not be releasing on Steam if it had. To be fair, it doesn’t make sense for PlayStation to port its games to PC but restrict the storefronts they’re available on: in addition to profiting from catalogue content, this initiative is all about building brand awareness for staple series like Horizon Zero Dawn as well.
[source resetera.com]
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Yeah, one of the reason playstation porting their games to pc is so pc gamers know about playstation games and ecosystem, it's unwise to restrict their game to epic pc games store especially since most pc gamer didn't like epic store.
Rookie numbers, gunna have to bump that up a lot 😂
200 million doesn’t seem that much really considering they made 9 billion in two years from Fortnite alone.
this isn't actually a huge amount, very odd
4-6 games =
Spiderman
Last of Us
Bloodborne
God of War
Ucharted
Ghost of Tsushima
Can't wait 😍😍
Whether its a EGS store exclusive or not, those exclusives will find their way onto PC eventually.
That doesn’t seem as much as I thought. Still, games like Kingdom Hearts that I’d been waiting about 10 years for a PC port are now on the EGS. I’m not exactly fond of the exclusivity because I just prefer Steam but to be honest, if some of these games wouldn’t be ported unless Epic moneyhatted then I’ll take that over nothing.
@nessisonett I defo know what you mean about KH. I personally hate EGS but I ended up buying KH 1.5/2.5 Remix on day 1.
It pained me to do it but they are such awesome games :')
Apparently, they even made the same offer to Nintendo as well, which is just laughable.
Nintendo will put its exclusives on PC when Hell freezes over.
Epic revenue vastly depend on one game, fortnite, and they are making a fortune with it as they don’t need a lot of investment just to keeo that si gle game going!
I would like to see more Sony exclusives on other Platforms myself. Being able to play the Kingdom Hearts games on PC is great and I'm not exactly a fan of the Epic Store either.
@Spyroescape I take the free games from them but I’ve only spent money on it once, to buy Hades back when it was in alpha. Definitely didn’t regret that decision. I would get Kingdom Hearts but that’s the reason I got my first PS4 in the first place.
I hope it won't happen. I have bought PS5 to play exclusive games and i had to give PC advantages up.
@Spyroescape I'd love to now what you get out of coming onto a Playstation site and most of your comments are PC port begging?
I wonder if Sony managed to keep a collective straight face, or just let rip with the hysterics? 🤔
@nessisonett Ahh dude, I had so many friends recommend Hades and I just ignored them. Thought the game was overhyped until I played it in February and man... Its such a good game!
@AdamNovice Lool, no one is begging my man. I never used to come onto this site but have been since Sony said that they are going to be porting more of their exclusives onto PC. Just looking to see what game is next thats all.
They make great games and I can't wait to play them on PC
I for one don't care either way. Playing on a PC is a pain in the neck. Jumped to consoles with PS3 and never going back to PC.
All that money being thrown around and you can't even set a profile picture in EGS, lmaoooooooo. Launcher is straight trash.
What would be the point of owning a playstation or a nintendo if there were no exclusives. Yes my ps5 has a ton of features but I 99% bought it to play quality exclusive games. If this happened I'd switch to pc immediately
@Spyroescape Let's hope not. Want to play these games, buy a PlayStation. That's how it should be but maybe some within Sony disagree.
😒
@art_of_the_kill Well in the memo they actually dismiss the idea but good on Nintendo, they know how to protect their IP.
Shame that some at Sony take the opposite view imo.
@Spyroescape Soo port begging then.
@Col_McCafferty I actually think it would be a good idea for Sony to release their own launcher on PC, if of course, they were to release their games on PC. Cut out the middleman as it were. However, this is just a thought, not exactly sure if it would work just think it is a good idea.
@AdamNovice You can call it what you want mate lool
It's funny, I thought Epic were the 'underdogs' and were trying to open the market with Steam.
Sounds like they want to own the market.
@Col_McCafferty Got nothing to do with hope. They have already said they are doing it so it'll happen in due time. Days Gone had an entry on SteamDB well over a year ago and it was only announced like 2 months ago. Other exclusives most likely have the same thing.
Sony wants to make money like every other business, its great for them. I have a PS4 but its a dust bunny. Don't use it and most likely won't ever even though I bought a few exclusives. Would much rather play them on PC where I don't give up performance.
Their comment about Nintendo is hilarious but true, you really want to play Nintendo games you need a Nintendo system. They could probably make more money than Sony on Steam several times over but is not always about the green.
200 million For 4 to 6 First Party Games Epic Must Be Smoking.
@art_of_the_kill No they didn't, in the documents they already assumed Nintendo would say no, so an offer was never made.
Sony putting all their games day one on PC would be the end of PS5. They have huge competition with Gamepass and Switch, so giving away the exclusive advantage would be beyond stupid. I think they will trickle out old games at a slow pace.
@Bush I agree, its a fine balance, I think Sony will put out games slowly on PC, I don't see them ever doing day and date. I would just have a PC if they did that.
@Coltaine22 completly agree
Hopefully they dont take the offer
I do hope Nintendo never put their games on pc.
@art_of_the_kill if Nintendo would give away exclusive right to someone like microsoft not even 30 billion would be enough.
@Sebatrox I know that
A bit desperate imo. I much rather have them on Steam.
@Eadgar It’d be a good idea....after, of course, they decided to end console production and go third party.
They have the cash.
I use EPic Game Store, GOG and PC GamePass first for PC games. If I buy something only on Steam I use GreenManGaming checkout or see if on the publisher site (just activate on Steam)
Use Steam checkout as little as possible. I got Cyberpunk directly from GOG.
why couldn't it of been gog 🤦
Yup
You have our games for pc (still costs a good 5X the price of a ps5 for a decent pc) and we don't want unreal engine 5 on any ms consoles.
Sounds perfect.
@Coltaine22 it really wouldn't. Consoles are far cheaper and far easier to use than pc's.
Console Gamers tend to be console Gamers for a reason.
@AdamNovice How would it be port begging, if Sony is releasing it themselves? Smh
@Col_McCafferty Sony is porting their games on PC because they see the potential revenue from it. Besides, if you really love a game, then you should be happy that more people will be able enjoy it. Instead of rejecting the idea because it's not going to be exclusive to your preferred platform.
@BrainHacker We prefer it to be exclusive because like he said, it gives us a reason to buy the console. I'll go straight to PC if they're pretty much deciding to give all of them away.
@Nepp67 The best selling PS4 exclusive which is Spider-man sold 20M copies but the PS4 sold 115M units. You can argue that the main selling point of PS consoles is the PS exclusives but going by the figures, it doesn't seem to be the case.
Consoles are way cheaper compared to PC. A GPU alone will cost you the same price as the PS5. If you're mainly a console gamer, why would you choose to buy a PC that will cost you double or triple the price of a PS5 just to play PS exclusives?
@BrainHacker I don't give a crap about sales figures. If a game is only on a certain system like BB, Zelda, Mario, Halo then I will buy it on that system. If all of them are on PC I will just get a PC and forget about consoles.
@Nepp67 Well, majority of PS owners wouldn't do the same because judging by the figures, exclusives is not the main reason why they bought PS consoles.
If that's you're argument then you should be happy because you only need one gaming system to play those games but for some reason, you seem upset that Sony will port their games on PC.
@BrainHacker Again I couldn't care less what the majority think. I like to actually have my console be worth something than have it be a dust collector cause Sony is putting them on PC.
@Nepp67 Shouldn't you be happy because you only need one gaming system? and yet you seem upset about Sony porting their games on PC because you wouldn't have any reason to buy PS consoles. Like what?
@Nepp67 You seem to think that them porting 200 year old games to PC = Your console being devalued.
Non-exclusive games make up the majority of sales on the PlayStation. Fifa friggen 18 has sold the same if not more then most PS exclusives. People buy the consoles because its cheap and easy to use. Most of my friends play sports games on PS4. Haven't heard one of them even mention a single exclusive ever.
People live in a bubble
@Spyroescape I think PS console owners forgot that emulators exist on PC. It's actually better for Sony to port their games on PC instead of losing potential revenue to emulators.
@BrainHacker Emulators are also why I think Nintendo will eventually fold and port their games onto PC. YUZU emulator is allowing people to emulate Switch games at 60fps/4k on cheap hardware. I played Pokemon Snap a day before it was even released lmao. It makes sense for Nintendo to do it as the Switch has the portability factor. I would easily buy games on both platforms as I enjoy playing Switch games away from home.
@Spyroescape I haven't heard of Yuzu emulator. Thanks, I will check it out. I have a Switch but I rarely play on it. This emulator would be great to test out a game before buying it.
@BrainHacker Seems like arguing with you is pointless here since you still don't understand so I'll just end it here.
@Nepp67 Well, you're argument doesn't make sense and that's why it's pointless. I think you care more about the platform than the "exclusive games" itself or else you wouldn't mind on what platform it will be available.
@BrainHacker Yh bro take a look at it! That emulator literally had me replaying all my Switch games haha.
@Spyroescape Yeah, I will try Mario Odyssey and Smash Bros Ultimate lol
I only own playstations for exclusives.
For eveything else PC all the way.
@Spyroescape Well 200M is not a big amount for Sony, it is not like they got their games for free. Instead, they invested hundreds of millions to keep their ecosystem unique and worth paying, including 50 million PS plus subscribers which with 100 million PS Network/PS store users generates monthly at least half a billion in profits. Regarding published games of PC, I don't think Sony really needs money from that, it is just a demo to show PC players "Hey, you could play this 5 years ago, think about it and join us..". They don't need people to stop playing PC, just to buy their system and to subscribe to PS services.
@Nepp67 I get why people would get mad if PS exclusives get ported to PC, and I personally do not like it as well.
But realistically I see consoles as the affordable place to play and see PC as the premium place to play.
So I think things like PS plus/now should be exclusive to consoles especially if Sony puts out a GamePass competitor since their purpose is to have access to a huge amount of games at a low price without buying them.
And especially, PS exclusives should be priced lower on PS consoles compared to PC versions. For example if GOW is $60 on PS5, it should be priced higher on PC like $80. This should let Sony put exclusives on PC release the same day as with consoles. This could also help bring up the overall hype to PS exclusives by both PS and PC communities.
@RubyCarbuncle If that’s the case then there would be no point in buying PlayStation games. If you want to play PlayStation games invest in a PlayStation.
If Sony went through with this they’d be the biggest sellouts in gaming history. It’ll give people one less reason to want a PlayStation system.
@cenoma I see what you're saying and kind of agree but that price point is a little ridiculous and what people have been fighting against Playstation and Activision about. It should be 60$ for PC and then like 35$ to 40$ on Playstation if we were to go that route.
@art_of_the_kill you crazy if you think that's gonna happen.
@BrainHacker let us playstation players have our exclusives while you have performance and so called unlimited games. If you really wanted to play our exclusives you would had bought a playstation long before this was even announced. Why are you pc guys so interesting in our exclusives if you have so many other games and gamepass lol.
@BrainHacker
Just was looking at an article about god of war and the chairman and chief executive pointed out in the interview that first-party exclusive games (and franchises) were mostly responsible for the success PlayStation 4 enjoyed in the last console generation. I'll believe someone who works at Sony and not some random pc fanboy that want our exclusives. You may get some old ones that we already played 4 years ago but that's it.
Lol, pocket change for these companies... You gotta step up your game, "epic" games 🤣🤣😜😜
@Spyroescape
People live in a bubble ehh. You just described yourself being surrounded by your "gamer" friends that play sports games. Just because something has more sales than exclusives doesn't mean they're the reason. Some people just are casuals and enjoy something they don't have to think to hard about to beat. Hence sports games. People buy consoles because they're easy to use and don't cost a fortune but a big majority buy for exclusives. The executives said it in a interview.
@BrainHacker just looked up your so called emulators. This is what I say "There's only one real PS4 emulator for PC, called Orbital, and it can't run any games yet".
@Spyroescape You forget people can just look up the compatible games for the nintendo emulator and expose you as a fraud. Didn't think about that did you lol
@LPB that is very smart and I agree. These pc guys think they actually getting all of our exclusives. Sony is just very stategic and letting them think that though lol
@Nepp67 Playstation already released a stament basically saying if you want quality pay for it. They are definitely not about to go down to $35 or $40 for a full game. I agree with @cenoma It should be 70 to 80$ or even 90$ for PC since ya'll want our exclusives so bad so you can play with the "best" performance. Remember sony is a business lol.
@middyone If PC gamers want PS exclusives so bad, they would have bought a PS4 a long time ago but instead they would rather play the waiting game.
You can believe what any executives at Sony said in an interview but the figures doesn't lie. If PS exclusives was the main reason why people bought PS consoles, how come the best-selling PS4 exclusive which is Spider-man didn't even sold even half from that 115M PS4 units sold worldwide?
I don't think Sony is stupid enough to sell their games at $90 to PC gamers because it's not like PS exclusive will be the only games available on Steam. Even HZD only sold like what 700K to 1M copies on PC out of the 1.5B PC gamers and you really think PC gamers is begging for PS exclusives?
You seem to forget that Sony is the one porting their games on PC and if they don't then PC gamers would just wait for emulators. We could already play TLOU and Uncharted 1-3 on PC. It will only be a matter of time before PC gamers will be able to play PS4 games on their PC using an emulator. Getting angry that other people will be able to play the games you enjoyed is pretty childish if you ask me.
@BrainHacker I see most caving in this generation especially for horizon forbidden west because they want to experience it as soon as possible after having a taste with the first one and for the other upcoming exclusives. I think sony did things very smart. Don't forget PS5 is the fastest selling console of all time. If not mostly for exclusives. Why not buy an xbox which I keep hearing you can play the same games but with a more powerful console. Make it make sense dude lol.
They haven't released the figures for gow4 lately or most of their exclusives except spiderman so we only know what they tell us. HZD only sold like what 700K to 1M copies on PC out of the 1.5B PC gamers so far. It just got released so give it time but even if that's true in the future. Sony will see it and go back to just releasing on their console. This is a test project after all. It seem like they are begging or is that for just show because we get quality games every year that developers really want to give us the best experiences possible.
You say ya'll waiting for emulators but if that was the case why not wait a little longer and get it for free whether or not sony releases it lol. Ya'll waited this long why not wait a little longer if you're soo close. TLOU is a ps3 game so not exactly the same thing but enjoy. I'm not mad. I just don't understand how you guys say we don't want your console but we want your games so we can play it at a better performance than you did. It comes off as elitist along with calling yourself "the pc master race".
Been a PC gamer for life myself, until I bought a PS4 in 2014. And I got hooked with hassle-free gaming. I can just turn on the console and start playing. Not spend hours in game configs and graphics drivers settings to fix a frame drop in a single area of the game. So, I dropped PC gaming altogether.
TL;DR: it's not just exclusives
That's not enough money.
@middyone Sony owned those PS exclusives, so please stop feeling entitled like you own those games because it's embarrassing. Even Sam Sharma, former producer of Guerrilla Games called out PS fans who acted like immature kids when Sony announced that their games will be ported to PC.
I don't need to buy an Xbox because all of their games will come to PC. HZD is not even in the top seller at Steam anymore, so you're excuse is pure BS. You just don't want to believe that majority of PC gamers doesn't care about PS exclusives like you initially thought.
I already told you that PC gamers would rather wait for PS exclusives to be ported or emulated than buy a PS consoles, so I don't even know why you arrogantly mentioned it again like you're making a point.
There are plenty of reason why PC gamers doesn't want to buy PS consoles, but maybe most of them doesn't really care about PS exclusives and they don't want to spend $500 just to play a handful of games.
@BrainHacker Wow lol you're mad now. I never said I owned anything. I only mention Sony buddy. I heard what the producer said and I don't really care. He doesn't even work there anymore.
I don't need to buy an Xbox because all of their games will come to PC. HZD is not even in the top seller at Steam anymore, so you're excuse is pure BS. You just don't want to believe that majority of PC gamers doesn't care about PS exclusives like you initially thought.
I wasn't talking about you buying an xbox. I was address the "majority" of people you say who don't want exclusives. Xbox is the more powerful system so why do they buy playstations if not for the exclusives lol. I don't care how popular hzd is on pc. I don't play on pc. I'm telling you Sony is testing the waters and if it doesn't sell then they'll pull out. It's strategy. Why I keep see so many pc guys talking about the exclusives then if they don't care? They will buy a console instead of playing the waiting game after they get a taste. I've seen loads of people say this already. Stop being naïve. So you say they buy a $2000 pc for games but don't want to spend a mere(to them) $500 for a console with exclusives and affordability? You crazy. Maybe you rich but majority ain't.
Jesus, these PC people never shut up!
The gaming world doesn't revolve around you, you know?
So HZD doesn't sell great numbers on PC but Sony need to release their games on PC otherwise they'll be at risk of losing money but not really that much money as PC gamers aren't interested in Sony games anyway. Is that it?!
If so why bother porting any of their games to PC? If all it does is wind up their own loyal fanbase who spend most if not all of their gaming money on PS. They get a few extra peso's or dollars or euros but if that's all they care about then release their games on all platforms, make even more.
Without exclusives being kept exclusive then I really don't see the point in gaming.
@Col_McCafferty They Are Everywhere Aren't They? I've Said It Once And i'll Say It Again Sony does Not Need The PC Platform To Be Successful The Fact That They Managed To Come Back From The Brink With Just The PS4 Proves That.
@middyone You don't feel entitled to PS4 exclusives but you refer to it as "our exclusives" like you owned it.
And now I'm mad because I call on your BS? I mean it's better than getting upset because other people will be able to play the games that I enjoyed. I'll take it than looking like an immature kid who doesn't want to share his games to other people.
We're going in circles here. Explain to me then why the best-selling PS4 exclusive only sold 20M compared to the 115M PS4 units sold? It's a good indication that exclusives is not the main reason why gamers buy PS consoles.
Xbox gamers prefer Xbox consoles and PS gamers prefer PS console. It's that simple. By your logic, Xbox owners should have bought PS consoles because they have more exclusives but they didn't.
@Col_McCafferty Who said that PC gamers think that the world revolves around them? You guys just assumed it. One comment poster in this thread was happy that PS exclusive is coming to PC but you guys needed to call him out for it like he said something negative.
There are 1.5B PC gamers, I think any gaming publisher would want to sell their games with that amount of user base in one platform. "Without exclusives, there is no reason for gaming" So third party games doesn't matter? I mean Sony made more money on third party games than their first party games, so it seems that this logic only applies to hardcore fanboys.
@Akurusu Because it's good for the Consumer in the long run and if people crying about this can't see the benefit to it well that's not my problem.
@1_W1NG3D_4NG3L It's sad to see such behaviour isn't it?
I still don't understand why sony is spending time and money porting these games instead of promoting access to them through PSNow.
@BrainHacker
Our as in the ps4 exclusives since I play on ps. lol like I said If I want to play master chief whatever for a affordable price. I buy an xbox. If I want to play mario games. I buy a switch. IF YOU want to play god of war or spiderman. Buy a playstation forget about your performance. if i want pc exclusives. I will buy a pc. Stop being entitled.
You're so delusional lol. Nobody is loyal to any brand buddy. Gamers go to the brand that has the best games. It's always been about the GAMES. No one cares about how powerful a pc or xbox is. Believe what you want to believe meanwhile xbox last gen sold 40 million while ps sold 115 million and the fact you think it's just because of brand is ridiculous. I'll believe people that actually are at the company than you thank you. You said there was 1.5b (which isn't accurate) pc gamers so explain to me why the best selling pc games sells 42 million out of that lol? It's a good indication that games is not the main reason why gamers buy PCs.
I'll wait while you just embarrass yourself some more. Another question tell me how spiderman is the best selling superhero game of all time on ONE console while batman games are available everywhere including pc? get out of here man. You haven't the slightest of what you're talking about and is probably just repeating what you heard from pc or xbox fanboys. Xbox owners are buying PS consoles because they have more exclusives. Hence why ps5 has twice amount of sales of xbox right now.
@1_W1NG3D_4NG3L
Of course 3yr+ old games can be sold. I'm not saying they can't but pc gamers feeling entitled about it is what I can't stand. They basically saying what you guys play are too beneath me so I'll wait to play it at a better performance than you and never buy a PlayStation. But I get what Sony is doing and it's a smart strategy.
@wiiware Then again with 200 million they probably make back their complete investment for development.
@BrainHacker Read their comments then you know why people think that. 🤪
@Darth_Stofi you could just sell it, probably even at a profit, they’re still in very high demand!
@middyone You just sound drunk mate 😂😂
Sony themselves said they will be porting more of their exclusives to the PC in the future. SONY SAID THIS. No one is being entitled you just have no argument and are getting emotional over something you have no control over.
"It's always been about the GAMES. No one cares about how powerful a pc or xbox is."
Tell this to the Switch owners who specifically wait for games to come out on the Switch because they like the portability.
Everyone has their reasons for playing on their chosen platforms. It can be exclusives, performance, portability, cost of console, online friends etc.
There are even some people who buy consoles to literally use the apps for TV/movies.
Its not ALL ABOUT THE GAMES 😂 as you say lool
@middyone First of all, I never claimed that PC exclusives are the main reason why gamers buys a PC because that will be stupid just like you're argument.
Just because you bought a PS4 and a copy of a game, it doesn't mean you have business rights to it. that's the most delusional thing any fanboy could get. You're deflecting my question again because you cannot answer it. Spider-man the best selling PS4 exclusives didn't reach even half of that 115M PS4 units sold and you're arguing to me that PS exclusive is the main reason why people bought PS consoles.
Brand loyalty doesn't exist? And here you are shilling for Sony to keep their exclusives on their platform. if exclusive is the main reason why gamers buy a console, then why the hell does third party developers exist? While we're at it, let's disregard price point, availability, brand recognition, features and services on how gamers choose to decide on which console they would want to be as their main platform.
Even Sony wants to port their games on PC. so you're argument already falls flat in your face. if anyone is embarrassing in here then it's gonna be you. Imagine getting upset that other people will able to play the games you enjoyed in another platform.
@Spyroescape There was an article that Sony made more revenues on DLC and microtransactions than selling copies of games, and he really believes that exclusive games is the main reason why people buys a certain console.
@Flaming_Kaiser I've already read it and it's pure nonsense. Mind you, I have a PS4 Pro because of RDR2. if PS fans really think highly of PS exclusives, then they would want as many people as possible to enjoy these game and yet they have this entitlement mentality over PS exclusives. They're acting like a kid who doesn't want to share his games to other people, just because they won't be playing it on his favorite piece of hardware.
@1_W1NG3D_4NG3L You don't need to constantly upgrade your PC and you can still enjoy couch gaming on it. If you can't see the benefit of PC, then you wouldn't appreciate the benefit of upgrading from the PS4 to PS5.
Console fanboys and PC elitist are only a minority from their gaming community but they are the most vocal group. I don't even know why PC gamers get drag down to the "console war" in the first place.
@1_W1NG3D_4NG3L I agree. I'm mainly a PC gamer but I have a PS4 Pro and Switch as my secondary gaming systems. I just couldn't wrap my brain around, on how a few people in this thread are calling out someone for being happy that he will be able to play PS exclusives on his preferred platform.
@Spyroescape Ok...thanks for that wildly inaccurate and out of nowhere assumption lol. I know Sony said that but if you think it's gonna be any game that hasn't been out for 3+yrs you are kidding yourself. They testing the waters and seeing if they have a market and if they don't they'll pull out. Sony is playing ya'll. You say you're not entitled huh this seems like a entitled thing to say "I have a PS4 but its a dust bunny. Don't use it and most likely won't ever even though I bought a few exclusives. Would much rather play them on PC where I don't give up performance." This makes you look so elitist and the worst part is you don't even realize it. I could care less about them coming to pc because ik ya'll won't be getting it day 1 and some will run out of patience lol.
Ok switch owners like portable GAMES. you proved my point...switch isn't powerful at all. It always come back to games for most people who buy GAME systems. I'm sure there is a very small minority buy it to watch netflix instead of getting a fire tv that cost $100 instead of $500 but most aren't that dumb lol. 😂😂 I literally said it was about more than performance and about games including exclusives. LISTEN😂 .
@BrainHacker
Got you. I never said anything about Pc exclusives. I said pc GAME IN GENERAL. Which means it's worse for you guys but you probably won't get it because it appears you don't know how to do math.
Stop putting words in my mouth. I didn't say I have business rights or suggest I did delusional fanboy. I'm not deflecting anything. I never said exclusives was the only reason why people buy consoles. I said GAMES IN GENERAL ARE THE REASON 😂😂. Where's your proof spiderman is the best selling exclusives. They haven't released gow sales numbers in a while. It could have surpassed it now. Even if it is that is still are large amount of people who buy exclusives compared to games general on pc. 1.5b players and only 40 million for the best selling lol😂😂. That's not even close to 115m at all and IT'S ON PC. You look foolish.
I go where the best games are. the ones made with real passion to give us the best product and it just happens to be sony. Third party exist for multiplayer across all consoles among other things. I play some but none of them have the quality like first party. Stop embarrassing yourself bro. Obviously sony playing ya'll and i'm all for it but don't act like you can't play a playstation just because muh performance.
@BrainHacker Do you believe everything on the internet especially when it isn't coming from Sony themselves. I told you what Sony said but whatever. You'd rather believe random guy on the internet than them.
DLCs and microtransactions are what's wrong with the industry now. I rather have the full game day one without having to be charged for upgrades for something that should be free.
@middyone Got me with what? emojis? You're asking me the same question that I asked you because you cannot explain, why Spiderman or any PS exclusive game didn't managed to appeal to that 115M PS4 owners. People with no real argument will just throw the same exact question that was asked to them instead of answering it.
Now, you're only calling it games in general as opposed to "our exclusives" because it doesn't fit your narrative anymore. Anyone with a common sense would know that gamers buys a console or PC to play games, but there are many gaming system available in the market, so it will be entirely up to the person on which hardware he thinks will benefit him the most. Do I really need to explain this?
I don't think you know what delusional actually mean? because it perfectly describes you, when you refer to PS exclusives as "our exclusive" like you have some ownership to it because you bought a PS4. Well, Sony doesn't care and that's why they're releasing their games on PC.
Did you live under a rock when Jim Ryan said that a whole slate of PS exclusives will be coming to PC? Even this article is saying that Epic offered Sony $200M to make their PS games exclusive only to their store and this news comes from an official document from the Apple v. Epic court case. Are you still going to deny it and pretend that HZD, Death Stranding, Detroit become Human, Heavy Rain, Beyond Two Souls wasn't released on PC? Even Cory Barlog said that he would love for God of War to be released on PC.
I don't like DLC or microtransaction either but you have the option to ignore it. Like it or not, DLC and microtransaction are massive revenues for gaming developers and platform holders. Sony cannot survive alone with exclusive games. There are far more PS gamers who play multiplayer games on their PS console than single player games.
You clearly won't answer my question because you have no answer because you know i'm right. My answer is the same reason why there is huge amount of pc gamers and the best selling game is only 40 million copies. Take that as you will but nothing will appeal to everybody especially not all of the ps4 owners so stop kidding yourself with 20 million is low. 20 million made Sony half a billion dollars each. Literally you keep saying the same thing expecting me to change my answer.
I've been saying that exclusives have alot to do with Sony success not just whatever you saying. Sony will give you guys some of the exclusives we played 3 years ago. That's it lol. So just because Epic gave Sony a deal that means every exclusive is coming to pc huh? lol jeez how desperate are you. Sony is NOT going to give you their biggest franchises like gow for another 3-4 years. That would be stupid because then alot of people would go to pc. Sure they'll give you their leftovers after we experienced them 5 years ago. Death stranding, dbh, heavy rain, beyond two souls are all non ps studios and timed exclusives. Do your reseach bruh.
microtransaction are gross and are for the greedy studios to charge $70 games then try to make you spend even more money for something that should be free. Don't even try to say it's for devs. It's for the company to ring you dry after charging full price. Some companies put ADS in their games and there is no excuse for any of it. I will not accept it no matter how much they make. I don't care.
Most DLCs nobody buys unless multiplayer.They have a better chance of surviving with exclusives than without. Look at xbox surviving only by old mediocre games on gamepass that aren't quality at all. I agree right now there are more who play multiplayer but I have a feeling that's about to change in the near future. Single player games are more popular than ever and get more popular by the day. Most multiplayer games are played by children anyway like fornite. that game is trash but kids like it so they can play with their friends.
@middyone "You clearly won't answer my question because you have no answer because you know i'm right." Did you know why I asked you that question in the first place? it's because you're claiming that the main reason why PS owners bought a PS console is for the exclusives, which is not entirely true, so the best way for you to deflect it, is to ask me the same question when I didn't even claimed that PC gamers only bought a PC just to play a handful of games, or did you forget that PC's are multi-purpose machine?
Isn't it true that 20M is a small number compared to the 115M PS4 units sold? And you said, PC gamers in general are bad in math? Sony would wish they can sell their PS exclusive games up to 40M copies each. 20M copies sold is a massive success for a game, but it doesn't support you're argument in any way.
Congratulations you paid Sony $10 - $60 to play their games first. I can't believe PS fanboys actually think that this is something to brag about. If PC gamers are desperate to play PS exclusives, then they would have bought a PS console. How long are you going to push this narrative of yours? Remember, HZD again with it's 700K to 1M copies sold to PC? Death Stranding, Detroit become Human, Heavy Rain and Beyond Two Souls were only available on PS consoles before. in fact, there was a massive outcry from PS fans when Death Stranding was ported to PC.
"Don't even try to say it's for devs" Now we have something to agree with. I don't care about the publisher or the devs. $70 is too expensive to justify a day one purchase for any game, and DLCs are just cut content from the full game. We don't need to make it a competition on what type of game is popular. Just enjoy the games you want to play. that's it. Why would anyone care on what games will other people play? This is basically the same reason on why I can't understand the outrage of PS fans, when Sony announced that they will port their games on PC.
@BrainHacker I just answered your question. I wish you would pay attention so I wouldn't keep having to repeat myself. I never said the main reason was exclusives. I said the EXECUTIVE at SONY said they were mostly responsible for the success of ps4. I will never believe you when it comes straight from their mouths. Tell me what the internet says all day. I will not listen to you over Sony themselves. No one knows better about their products than them. They said ps5 will have more exclusives than any previous generation. That's all the proof I need that they weren't lying about that. I never claimed ps gamers only bought a ps to just play a handful of games or did you forget ps are multi-purpose machine too? lol your hilarious man. I literally went back up to see the conversation when we began and I never said that was the main reason why. Go ahead look for yourself. lol you literally said hzd is not selling as well as it did on ps. So your telling me sony has a better chance at hitting 40m on pc? Don't make me laugh. You provided me proof to throw back at you. Thank you for that. If I get the best of the best...I don't mind paying $60 for quality instead of $1 - $5 for gamepass with mediocrity. You get what you pay for lol.
That's what they're doing I see a bunch of comments coming from pc gamers saying they buying a ps5 just to play the sequel to horizon. It's happening whether you're aware or not. I was not aware of the massive outcry for death stranding because all I heard was walking simulator. I didn't think alot cared honestly. Woah woah woah. Don't get me wrong. I care about the devs and the studios in general. They work tirelessly to give us ps fans the best experience possible without bugs. I have massive respect for them and the directors like cory barlog.https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/god-of-war-director-cory-barlog-says-games-need-to-go-up-in-price/ . I rather have price go up than cash grab microtransaction filled messes like cyberpunk. DLCs I agree should be in the game and that's another reason why god of war is great to me. Everything that comes in that game is there day one.
@Flaming_Kaiser It's not just about money but expanding your audience, sony got billion from playstation, giving exclusive to one store for 200M is not a good move. Also 6 games for 200M is cheap compared to about 146M for borderland 3 epic exclusivity lol.
If i ever going to play on PC it has to be on GOG i hate DRM or another launcher between me and the game. The PC market is digital only already and i dont want ownership with a launcher or whatever behind it.
@wiiware I think they way overpaid for Borderlands.
You buy Nintendo console's to play Nintendo games. You buy Sony console's to play Sony games. I've no idea why you buy an Xbox.
Sony are not going to put system selling games on epic store.
@AdamNovice The only reason I want PS4 games on PC is because changing the CMOS on a PC doesn’t brick the system, unlike Sony’s consoles. From a games preservation perspective, getting Sony exclusives to PC just means we will be able to continue to enjoy them beyond the lifespan of a watch battery and a server.
@Nepp67 Did you read up on what happens when you try to change the CMOS in a PS4? That right there is going to remove any value from that system in a few years!
@middyone Of course, you're going to believe Sony who put 8K on their PS5 boxes, when it can't even output native 4K, and believe that they enabled crossplay because they actually care about their consumers. Numbers don't lie. Out of that 115M PS4 units sold, only 20M of them actually cared about PS exclusives. That's only 17.39% of the total PS userbase.
One of the sign of a hardcore PS fanboy is how proud they are of PS exclusives. You only paid for their games to play it. It doesn't make you any better to any other people who plays on Xbox, PC or Switch. Imagine being proud of yourself because you play exclusive games from a specific platform. Please grow up from this childish mentality.
Anyone with a brain would know that Sony can sell more copies, if they sell their games on more platform and besides, why would you care if they won't be able to sell 40M copies on PC? You're just a consumer. Sony is a corporation, they want to make more money as humanly possible. Hell, why do you think they're porting their games on PC?
You see a bunch of PC gamers like 10 - 20 of them, saying they would buy a PS5 to play the sequel of HZD? Then good for them because it's their own money, but if you actually think that majority of PC gamers will buy a PS, just to play one game. You're being delusional. Actually, If you think about it, it will give them more reasons to wait for HFW to be ported on PC and not the other way around.
I agree that Sony releases quality exclusive games, and that's why I'm glad that more people will be able to play their games on PC. If you're really a fan, you will be happy that more people can play their games, but sadly that isn't case. You want to keep it locked on the PS platform because exclusive games is the only thing you can brag about as a PS fanboy.
@Spyroescape The goofball actually think that Nintendo Switch owners only like portable games. He has no self awareness at all. There is no better example of an elitist mentality than thinking only a certain group of people deserve something, just like how he thinks that PS console owners only deserve PS exclusive games.
@BloodNinja why would you change that on a system like ps4 that is not supposed to be changed? lol of course it's gonna brick you're not supposed to do it.
@BrainHacker this "goofball" thinks you're full of it. why else buy a switch if not for portability one of the few things it's got over ps4 besides exclusives? Nobody buys a weaker console to not play games that are only on that console and use the one thing it's got over ps4. Not putting nintendo down...they still better than xbox and got their own thing going on.
8K support The PS5 console is compatible with 8K displays through HDMI 2.1 support.
this is what it says on their website which means it can for stuff like netflix and youtube.
4K-TV gaming Play your favorite PS5 games on your stunning 4K TV.
this is what it says also on their website. Same for the new xbox that can support 4k.
They do care about us. They literally just announced ps5 is going to have more EXCLUSIVES than any past generation. lol they didn't say anything about pc which means you're done for. buy a playstation if you want to play their games. simple just like for any other console or pc. I have to buy xbox to play halo and you don't see me complaining. why should you be so high and mighty. lol You pc fanboys crack me up. who cares how the number of sales for exclusives stack up against half of people who are probably just casuals who play call of duty and fornite but still know which console is the best. What can I say. I love quality games. That doesn't mean i'm hardcore. I go where the quality is. You're acting childish by wanting everything to go your way when it never will. Just because they said here's a few of our exclusives doesn't mean they about to go all out for ya'll. forget it. Of course they'll get a few sales here and there but not alot of people will buy a game that's been out for 3-4 years. Hence horizon zero dawn not selling that much compared to ps4 sales. Nintendo is a business as well and wants to make money. Why don't you think their not porting their exclusives there? because they want people to buy their console.
Alot of people bought a ps4 just to play spiderman. You'd be surprised. Then they end up not regretting their purchases because there a pleura of great games on ps. You dumb if you think they would want to wait 3-4 years to MAYBE be able to play the sequel to horizon. I'm happy when they buy the console they made so they can make more money to put into their games and see the console business will never die and can be just as popular as pc so they can put more effort into it.
@middyone You just pointed out why exclusivity sucks and it's because you have to buy different gaming systems. if it's really all about the games, just like what you said before, then it really shouldn't matter on what platform it will be available.
"8K support The PS5 console is compatible with 8K displays through HDMI 2.1 support.this is what it says on their website which means it can for stuff like netflix and youtube."
Yeah, because when you think about consoles, the first thing that comes into your mind is how this gaming device can play video content for you. Sony putting 8K on their PS5 boxes is misleading if you ask me. There were people asking on forums, if they should buy an 8K tv for the PS5 - believing they could play games with 8K resolution on it. PS5 is still using dynamic 4k resolution. Majority of console gamers wouldn't care or doesn't know that the PS5/PS4 cannot really output native 4k, so I don't really have no issue with this.
I'm done for because Sony will be releasing more exclusive games? Did you even think before typing this? it's just video games. I never even thought of buying a PS4 Pro until RDR2 was bundled along with it. And you really think I will be losing sleep just because Sony will be releasing more exclusive games. Damn, you're more delusional than I thought.
I guess you haven't realized it yet, but not everyone likes to play cinematic games. Games are subjective and your opinion about a game doesn't apply to everyone. What quality games means to you is dogsh*t to someone else. Try having some self-awareness sometime.
"You're acting childish by wanting everything to go your way when it never will"
Sony is already porting their games on PC, and you're here arguing with me like a child who's having a tantrum because you didn't want other people to play the same games that you're playing. As I've said before, you're just a consumer. so it shouldn't matter to you, if Sony will be porting their games on PC but nope. You want to act like an Executive at Sony arguing with people online because you think you know what's best for the PS brand than Sony themselves. Cringe.
Who the hell buys a $500 console just to play one game? They must be dumb as rocks as you are. Another failed logic of yours is that Sony won't be losing anything by porting their games on PC, and the sales from it might even help to fund the next sequel or a new IP.
"They do care about us." LMAO at this. Do you really think Sony cares about you? They're only making games to profit from it. I highly doubt they even know you exist. Sony even released a statement that there was no massive outcry from the PS community, when they started porting their PS exclusive games on PC. I'm glad that majority of PS gamers are not as immature and pathetic as you are.
@middyone "why else buy a switch if not for portability" Do you look at things with only one perspective? And think that there is only one possible reason for everything?
"Nobody buys a weaker console to not play games that are only on that console and use the one thing it's got over ps4"
What?
I could use this paragraph as a reason why console exclusivity shouldn't exist. Fanboys have an unhealthy mindset and it's melting their brain cells. They couldn't enjoy any game, unless it's exclusive to their favorite piece of box.
@middyone Keep in mind, you just asked me why you would change a battery, a thing with finite energy that runs out after a certain time. CMOS batteries last about 10-12 years, so assuming the PS4 is still supported that far ahead, in that amount of time you may or may not have a brick when it runs out.
@BloodNinja Damn, that is some terrible design flaw. I hope Sony will fix it. This is another great reason why Sony should support backwards compatibility on all their future consoles.
@BrainHacker would it be nice to have all games on one system sure but if that system cost as much as pc. Well I ain't buying! Put yourself into a business shoes. Would you rather go through other systems or have your own console with your own games that you produce. It's just better and I see why many companies want their own platform. I would too. But if I can get the same games anywhere. What incentive do I have to play your console instead of the most powerful which is xbox. What do you think a world without exclusives would be? I'm curious how your mind works.
"Yeah, because when you think about consoles, the first thing that comes into your mind is how this gaming device can play video content for you." You literally said earlier that some people buy consoles to watch tv lol. Going back on your word are we? I'm sure there is just as many asking about 8k tvs for xbox. They do that for everything. proof that ps5 can run native 4k https://www.reddit.com/r/PS5/comments/i9jy97/ps5_has_shown_gameplay_running_at_native_4k/
When I say you're done for...I mean you've been proven wrong. Well duh sir it's just video games lol. I realize that nobody likes everything and that includes cinematic games. No ones opinion including yours has any value so try thinking before you speak.
What matters is the majority and the majority loves these games which I'm glad because I get more. Ok? so sony is porting a few old games. Who cares lol. There's more new ones on the way for us anyways so enjoy the ones we played 4 years. You're the one still arguing. I'm just proving you wrong at this point but will you listen? no. it's cringe. Stop.
Someone who really wants a game and buys the system to play that one game? just because you won't doesn't mean lots of others won't. Have some "self-awareness". Calling people dumb just because they do something you don't? WOW. have some "self-awareness". Believe or not some people makes games not because they tryna make a quick buck but because they have a idea. Cory Barlog is one of the many people in sony studios that are actually like this. Sony may be a business but that isn't how they are at all. Yes I do think they care about us. They could pull a cyberpunk and release an unfinished game but no. They say it's coming when it's ready. IDC what you say. Proof sony made a stament saying no outcry? you're so pathetic. You big mad lmbo.
Exclusives will always exist. Stay mad punk. Go enjoy your pc you spent so much money on instead of arguing with someone who's immature lol.
@BloodNinja Oh ok didn't know that was a battery. Doubt any console(maybe one) has been supported for 10-12 years so I don't think that's a big issue unless emulators or bc is not being made. I don't think sony get rid of bc until a good amount of generations later.
@BrainHacker 100% agreed!!
@middyone It’s a big issue. Everyone is spending thousands on these things that will stop working. Sony is getting to keep our money, but our consoles will brick. Anyway, I had a huge smile on my face last week as I simply put my PS4 in a trash can. Couldn’t be happier without that awful thing.
@BloodNinja why didn't you just sell it lol and did you get a ps5?
@middyone I trashed it as a mental “f...you” to Sony. It felt great. No, I will not be buying a PS5, since it will face the same problem with CMOS as the PS4. Screw Sony.
@BloodNinja lol ok. don't every device have that battery or am i missing something.
@middyone Computers have them, but there’s no consequence when they run out. Replace the battery, carry on as normal, all it does on a PC is save bios settings. If you’ve been paying attention to gaming news, you will have learned that the CMOS battery bricks the PS4 when it dies, unless you can authenticate Sony’s server after you replace the battery. That means when PS4 and PS5 gets discontinued, you won’t be able to play anything on it, including discs. I’m surprised you don’t know about it.
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