If you’re planning to begin your pursuit of promoting your local team to the Premier League in FIFA 21 this week, then you may want to pause before investing too much effort. In an FAQ on its official website, EA Sports has announced that not all your progress will transfer from the PlayStation 4 to the PlayStation 5 – even though you’ll get the game for free.
“All progress you make or content you acquire within FIFA 21 Ultimate Team (including players, items, coins, FIFA Points, match record, and leaderboard placement), as well as all progression in Volta Football will transfer from PS4 to PS5 and back,” the company explains. “Progress within all other modes including Online Seasons, Co-Op Seasons, Career Mode, [and] Pro Clubs will be specific to the console you are playing on and won’t transfer between consoles.”
Other titles like DIRT 5, Maneater, and Yakuza: Like a Dragon have also confirmed that they won’t feature cross-save, which has led to some frustration among PlayStation fans. However, this does seem to be down to the individual developer, as releases like Marvel’s Spider-Man: Miles Morales have promised that progress will transfer.
[source ea.com]
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Hmm. I know EA isn't taking advantage of Smart Delivery on Xbox so I wonder if it's the same over on that side as well.
Good thing I don't like sports games!
Id love to know the reason why this is happening even though i don't care for most of the titles that are having these cross save issues.
Well this time it evens out because EA isn't actually doing the whole Smart Delivery thing on Xbox with their games
So this one is literally just EA being EA
@TheAdza I think maybe Sony is moving away from the BSD OS or maybe going back to redhat or just something proprietary this time. All PS4 games I think will run on a emulator and maybe that's why saves can't transfer (except cloud base one apparently)
I don't play pro clubs, but wow that is a blow straight to the crotch for people who do.
I play FIFA a fair bit but it is mainly FUT and Online Seasons. Not fussed about not keeping my progress in Online Seasons, part of the fun of that is rising up to the top anyway, not the stress of trying to stay there.
This is getting embarrassing. I guess Xbox might have the same problem, but frankly, unless given a compelling reason (EA doesn't have one), neither company should be allowing saves not to transfer at all.
I really hope final fantasy 7 remake ps4 save file is compatible with it's ps5 version (if square enix made ps5 patch), I want to platinum it on ps5.
So, the same as every other game through every prior generation then.
I’ll wait before starting any cross gen game for the PS5 (although no chance I’ll get FIFA, obviously).
Kind of glad I waiting for ps5 to play FF7R too. There will be murders if people’s saves don’t transfer over there.
@TheAdza an educated guess suggests that Sony are changing the general format of saves for PS5, some teams are going the extra mile to convert PS4 saves to PS5. Which is not without extra headaches. Additionally PSN sees FIFA 21 PS4 and FIFA 21 PS5 as separate games.
Whereas Microsoft are keeping the same save format, Xbox one and series saves are the same. Also the way the Xbox store is set up to be across devices, Avengers (for example) is seen as the same game whether on XB One, Series X, PC or Cloud, same achievements etc. it just downloads the right version for your system.
When Sony say “they believe in generations”, it’s not just the “great they’re pushing the new hardware”, it’s also the nitty gritty too. E.g.
Do we expect the PS5 UI at launch to have all the features of PS4? Probably not as they will likely build from scratch. Meanwhile Xbox is an evolution of their existing OS. (I hope I’m wrong)
Do PS4 controllers and other accessories work on PS5 games, no... meanwhile on Xbox.
I’m NOT here to specifically throw shade on Sony, PlayStation or be a MS fanboy, I’m getting a PS5 at launch, but some of the Sony decisions aren’t consumer friendly and I call out BS where I see it on ALL platforms.
@themightyant
That depends. Their entire online and offline infrastructure is a retrofitted shambles, one only needs to see how save states and trophy allocation works in local multiplayer to know that (ever tried playing PS3 or PS4 Resi5 after the 360 version - it’s not pretty).
As such, if they are completely overhauling everything so it actually works I’d be very happy and couldn’t give a damn about cross gen saves being sacrificed.
Hopefully they are focused on getting the basics right, and then adding nice things like a trophy tracker akin to that on Xbox, but I very much fear that, instead, they are focusing on pointless create and share features.
@thefourfoldroot Oh I agree there is PLENTY that Sony could overhaul and fix (same for Microsoft, Nintendo etc.).
Without seeing the codebase we can't know which is the right solution. Is it a poorly coded mess that makes development hell or is it organised and modular and able to be expanded upon easily without nuking other functionality. Is it well documented & commented. Are the same team working on it etc.
There are times when starting again is the right call and other times it's better to build on what they have. There are pros and cons to each approach.
However losing a load of features from PS4, as they did at launch from PS3 is not a popular start even if it is the right call.
IF they start again I hope they build it with the future in mind, consoles are mature and we shouldn't have to reboot the OS with every new generation and start from scratch with features.
Edit: Addendum: I also couldn't care too much about cross-gen saves, it only affects a small minority of games most of which IF I replay i'd probably be happy to start again. Backwards compatible titles will still work regardless. It's more about all the OS features we may lose that we had to wait years for on PS4 e.g. Apps like Sky, Folders, Party Chat, Family settings, Share Play, Music player, Communities and 101 other features, tweaks and improvements that happened over 7 year PS4 gen.
@themightyant
True. I just get the impression that, whereas MS started with cross platform, cross gen, personalised online profiles, achievement integration etc in mind, Sony did not, and had to clumsily force those things in as afterthoughts in response.
They failed to improve things last gen for me (luckily they got the games right), but the most hopeful naive part of me feels that maybe, just perhaps, the late showing of the UI is due to Sony fundamentally changing things instead of just the cosmetic overhaul MS have shown.
We can hope anyway.
If you read the FAQ it has the same issue on Xbox and same I believe with NBA 2K21, neither of those use Smart Delivery.
Also I've been playing FIFA 21 on Xbox and the games title is EA Sports FIFA 21 Xbox One that I would think that it be EA Sports FIFA 21 Xbox Series X|S with its own tile under my games and achievements.
@thefourfoldroot I agree on the late showing probably pointing to fundamental changes, but who knows with their new "Silence is Golden" marketing philosophy.
But I actually disagree about the PS4 OS and UI. In general I thought Sony got far more right from the start with PS4 and was an example where starting from scratch was the right call, even if that meant a lack of features at launch.
Simply Sony got more right at the start of the gen and hasn't needed the complete overhaul. Hell the Xbox store only just had a complete rebuild last month (and it's great... finally) in anticipation of next gen.
(Not saying it's perfect at all, plenty to improve and there is still plenty of better features on Xbox or Switch)
@masofdas Smart delivery is not forced but it is recommended and appears to work on far more titles than on PS.
I haven't seen if this is true for FIFA or NBA but in the past EA and some others, sometimes make entirely different versions of the game for next gen. i.e. the next gen version wasn't just the last gen version with prettier graphics but an entirely different game that played differently, with some shared code and features, or at least a game that was different enough to be incompatible. in these cases it's not surprising that the last gen saves don't work on next-gen games as they ARE different games with the same title.
Spider-man remastered on the other hand - no excuses, it is a shinier version of the same game, graphical features shouldn't prevent this, particularly from a first party studio.
NBA does have it's own Next Gen verison it's £65 on Xbox Series, and going by my tiles under my games & achievements along with the FAQ seems FIFA 21 is it's own game on Xbox One and Series X|S
The Spider-Man one is a odd one as the presser reads as it's a selling point it's own game with new trophies that fans can go get another platinum.
Personally if it was just a upgrade I wouldn't play Spider-Man remaster as already 100% it but might because of the new trophies.
My issue is that it's behind Miles Morales, I should just be able to buy it for £20 regardless if I own Miles Morales or not but I'm someone that does want to play Miles and reckon most Spider-Man fans will
@themightyant
I never really had a problem with the trophy system or visual language on PS3, although I do admit I prefer the PS4 UI. This wasn’t really what I was talking about though. On 360 I could play local multiplayer games, and both characters would get their individual achievements (still a rarity on ps as it can require workarounds) and offline games on PS4 still often treat player 2 as a “guest” the same as on PS3. (Meaning no saving of unique gamestates)
There is something fundamental that needs to change there.
But yes, clearly there was a bigger break than I may have implied between ps3 snd PS4, hence many media formats and functionalities being lost from the PS3 system.
It's 2020 and you can't have cross save between PS4 and PS5. What a joke.
@thefourfoldroot Ah I understand now, that sounds really annoying, and is not something I have experienced (playing local co-op offline and unlocking trophies).
I imagine it is likely for similar reasons to Xbox who instituted some sort of online checks for achievements to prevent cheaters boosting their gamerscore on XBox One, they worked fine offline on 360.
Personally I don't care, if cheaters want to cheat let them, just don't make the experience worse for honest gamers, like they did - Xbox achievements on One can unlock days later. They should remove the online checks for trophies/achievements.
@themightyant the next post from me was meant to be a reply to you but NBA also it's own game on Series X|S, the only other one at the moment is COD Cold War.
@themightyant
The One was the only Xbox console I haven’t owned, so I didn’t know about their checks delaying unlocks for achievements. Whilst I can see that would be annoying, at least they respect and value the achievement system, Sony really don’t seem to care. They allow games to release with broken trophies and OK patches that break trophies and ignore any complaints, just referring people back to the devs/publishers who get no punishment for releasing what I consider to be broken games.
@thefourfoldroot To be clear, most achievements unlock fine on Xbox, but mysteriously sometimes there's several days delay.
Xbox also has broken achievements on launch and in patches and it's up to the developer (quite rightly) to fix. They are exactly the same on this. There are several games on both systems you can't complete or have glitched achievements.
I understand your personal case, however, with respect, it seems quite niche, offline co-op wanting a mostly online feature (trophies) to work perfectly. I've never heard that till now, though I appreciate it is annoying.
My experience, and the thing I hear all the time this gen, is that Xbox achievement system this gen is far worse than it was previous gen. Although it does have some nice features like achievement tracking and overlays i'd give these up in a heartbeat for a system that works flawlessly like 360.
So reading EA site one thing stood out, you are able to move between the PS4 and PS5 and back again with online content staying intact. With this capability in makes sense that offline or locally stored progress sits still. It would be one thing to do a single one time data migration in one direction but much more complex to keep the two systems in sync when game state is stored in different ways. Game state data will have needed to change for the PS5 to support the rapid start and jump in at point functions added to the PS5. These changes will be system wide, not game dependant. I expect the times game save data is carried over from PS4 to native PS5 versions it will be a one time, one way process.
I can't believe I'm going to stick up for EA and the UK's favourite casino FIFA but I think this is a good compromise all told. Of course they could have chosen to store all progress on their servers but that may have resulted in different outcomes for those that have PS+ and those that don't.
Volta but not career 😂 no Martin Tyler or Alan smith this year either
@themightyant
I don’t think it’s too niche because it isn’t just trophies but save states. For example, on resi5 me and the wife played for ages, building our arsenal and trying to 100% the game, including achievements.
On PS4 she couldn’t save her character as it was treated like a Guest, so couldn’t keep gun upgrades and unlocks, in fact, she didn’t even get her own money, meaning everything took twice as long and we had to have me buy everything then she had to hand it back after every play session, then I had to hand it back again...
Now this was a port of the PS3 game that had the same issues (as opposed to the 360 version) but it just shows how this aspect of Sony’s infrastructure was never improved and how badly it needs to be.
@thefourfoldroot Never heard of this does it happen just in Resident Evil 5 or many other games?
@themightyant
Unfortunately there aren’t many decent local coop games to play these days, so it’s hard to say, but given trophies almost never are available to player 2 (or are given to both players automatically even when not appropriate) I’d say there is a general problem when multiple profiles are connected online on the same machine.
@thefourfoldroot Ah that sucks man. You are right: sadly couch co-op isn't what it once was and is forgotten in favor of online play, it shouldn't be either/or
On the plus side you have a wife who likes to play Resi5. I'd count the blessings
@thefourfoldroot and a quick google suggested this site which lists coop games and allows you to filter by couch coop/split or shared screen etc. Maybe it will help find another title
Best of luck
https://www.co-optimus.com/system/22/playstation-4.html
@themightyant
Lol, thanks for that. I’ve actually sold the second controller while it’s still worth something. They don’t work on PS5 so seemed pointless waiting for the value to fall.
Best game I found was overcooked 2, albeit not ideal for maintaining marital bliss!
@themightyant @SilkySmile89 appreciate the answers and speculation. Thank you both.
Since am scottish not English my local team isn't on FIFA cuz the idiots at EA are byiest towards Scotland dont give me this ***** English make up that ratings don't go low enough that bull atleast they could add scottish championship but they won't all they give a crap about is Celtic and rangers scottish football might not be great wouldn't hurt adding them all as for Cross Gen saves i don't care anyway hate FUT
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