The aftermath is sometimes more interesting than the main event, and despite a strong PS5 Showcase Event, that’s definitely true of Sony’s presentation today. We learned that key PlayStation 5 “exclusives” – like Marvel’s Spider-Man Miles: Morales, Sackboy: A Big Adventure, and, shockingly, Horizon Forbidden West – will actually release on the PlayStation 4 as well.
Here’s how boss Jim Ryan packaged the information:
“We know that the PS4 community will transition to PS5 at different times, and we’re happy to announce PS4 versions of some of our exclusives,” he told the PlayStation Blog. “While these three games were designed to take advantage of PS5 and its unique next-gen features like the ultra-high-speed SSD and DualSense controller, PS4 owners will also be able to enjoy these experiences when they launch. The PS4 digital versions of launch games include a free upgrade on both PS5 consoles, while the PS4 disc versions of these games include a free upgrade on the PS5 with Ultra HD Blu-Ray disc drive.”
It’s a shocking change of tune from earlier in the year, when Sony reiterated on multiple occasions that it believes in generations. Here’s what Ryan said back then: “We have always said that we believe in generations. We believe that when you go to all the trouble of creating a next-gen console, that it should include features and benefits that the previous generation does not include. And that, in our view, people should make games that can make the most of those features.”
We’re honestly not sure what changed, but we can’t help but feel like PlayStation has been a bit devious. Microsoft was roundly criticised for its approach to cross-gen development, and Sony perhaps saw an opportunity to capitalise. But if it’s been following the same path all along, then we think the company deserves a degree of criticism. It makes you wonder which other upcoming PS5 exclusives will also launch on the organisation’s existing console, doesn’t it?
Might be a bit premature. Sony have already clarified that the trailer for Demon’s Souls was in error. No PS4 or PC version, PS5 only.
Im sure some of the titles will release on PS4 though, Miles Morales makes sense for instance.
See i’m happy as a whole.
But for me, I don’t see the value in getting my PS5 till maybe late 2021. I’m just suddenly not as excited
As a hardcore PS gamer , not gonna lie this news kinda killed my hype for the PS5 . Not completely but more of the question do I absolutely need this at launch ? 😟
Next thing you know, Ratchet and Clank doesn't need that SSD for instant loading after all.
I understand this from the perspective of them selling over 100 million PS4s and whatnot, but they've been borderline lying about their strategy all year long.
If they wanted to do this, then fine, but we shouldn't be finding out today. It's crazy that Horizon Forbidden West will be shackled by PS4.
No PS5 for me on day one now.
Sony you are the Artful Dodgers now and I don’t trust you.
Wonder if the PS5 will be as noisy as my PS4 Pro.
Series x day one for me now, at least tonight finally made my mind up for me.
@DeepSpace5D thats good to know.i was like why pc.so its all goid.ps5 only.word up son
At least we found out before preorders
Oh god, I hate this so much. After the launch of the console no more games should come on PS4, at least no more games as big as these ones.
This is extremely frustrating. Until I know more, i won’t be getting a PS5 for a long time. Let them iron out bugs and such and give me a 2021 Black Friday deal with an extra game or something.
It sort of diminishes the hype. Makes you think whats the point of getting a next gen console now and not later when RE8 or FF16 or the new GOW are out...
This is a shocker from Sony.
I invest in a new generation to advance, play games that aren’t possible on the current consoles. Sony have straight up lied about ‘believing in generations’ and it looks like most titles in the foreseeable future are cross gen. Very, very disappointing to say the least.
Why buy a console that’s going to be held back by the PS4 for at least a year.
Don’t trust Sony.
Just like their Dolby Vision low latency in their TVs, and implementation in their 4K players all wrong and awkward.
I wonder if they had to change their plans. I wouldn’t say devious is the word as now them making such a big deal out of it leaves them looking stupid. Don’t see why they’d have said all that stuff if they knew the games would be on PS4 too.
doesn't change things for me. ps5 day one for me; not surprised at all tbh, with the recent news of limited units available at launch , i don't think they lied but changed their strategy
last minute due to not enough consoles available at launch
I'm fine with Spider-Man and Sackboy on PS4, but Horizon: Forbidden West is what truly worries me. That trailer sure as hell looked better than anything the PS4 was capable of, so we're probably looking at one helluva downgrade.
These things are mutually exclusive.
Sackboy is whatever, at €70 that's DOA anyway.
But the idea that Horizon 2 is held back by the PS4 is incredibly bizarre. It should've been a next gen exclusive.
As long as the games are far superior on PS5 I feel like it’ll be worth it. I don’t mind cross gen games as long as the new versions play significantly better.
I need to know how Backwards Compatibility works soon, though. I’m not pre ordering if they don’t do the reveal on that. There are several PS4 games I need to play since I sold mine last year.
@Peach64 I don't know, seems awfully last minute for such a drastic change in plan, especially with Covid. No, I think Sony were always planning this, but were too busy hyping up PS5.
Oof. Kind of hypocritical here, Sony
Not at all the same path. What you smoking 😀
Not going to wait 2 years for next gen exclusives.
Well, I see why people are mad at Sony, but for a poor soul like me who can't realistically afford a PS5 at launch with all the inflation and whatnot... this is great news.
@TheRedComet exactly this. It'll still be superior. It's like being pissed off that cyberpunk 2077 can run on a base Xbox one AND those spanking new Nvidia cards. It's scalable, it's not holding back the game, it's just that if you want ultra fast loading of assets like in ratchet and clank it won't be possible, who cares as long as the game is still good.
Clearly, all these people complaining didn't play Shadow of Mordor on PS3.
@JJ2 I'm honestly convinced that this website loves to say controversial things or blow things out of proportion so that they get more engagements.
Not a good look, but personally I really couldn't care less. While I'm still in for PS5 day-one, this is a great turn of events for those who have PS4 but may not want to upgrade for a while. Earlier in the year they were getting flak for saying they wouldn't do this, now they're getting flak for doing it.
Nothing is being "held back" by PS4, because from what I've seen so far, there's been precious little shown on PS5 which couldn't be done on PS4 anyway; the only difference is, on PS5 it'll be a bit prettier and you won't need to wait for loading.
Loading speeds aside, the whole next-gen push so far has been nothing more than pandering to the likes of the PCMR crowd who seem to think that a "good game" is determined by little more than resolutions and frame-rates. I've stated in comments here several times previously that - despite all the talk - the next generation seemed to be shaping up to be pretty much all the same games again, but a bit prettier... and that seems to be exactly what we're getting, on all platforms.
Outside of marketing nonsense, I don't see an issue with this. I'm buying a PS5 to play my games in their best quality, it will still deliver on that.
@Menchi But still misleading.
I think the SSD’s being standard will make a much bigger difference than the power of these machines. But I don’t think we will actually get to see what they can do for another two or three years.
Plus there is no doubt in my mind that the next gen versions will be far superior than the current gen releases. I actually played both the PS3 and PS4 versions of the Last of Us and it was absolutely dramatic. I find the PS3 version of that game to be more or less a mess of a game. The PS4 version is the way it was meant to be played.
@Sam-Bridges it is! I don’t think it’s the fact that some of these games are now cross gen that’s getting people mad, I think it’s because Sony blatantly lied about it.
@get2sammyb Mutually exclusive means it has to be one or other.
Its pretty rotten for Sony to suddenly do this, they should rightfully be criticised for it, It did make me stumble about pre-ordering earlier, between that and the other lie about giving you plenty of notice for Pre-Orders and then the mess of lack of info about when and where you could pre-order from, it certainly took the shine off what was an excellent showcase. They shouldn't get arrogant or complacent about this gen (and they are coming off that way) MS are coming hard this time round.
@Menchi It's been a busy day.
That is a massive u-turn. Good thing though, means I don't need a PS5 yet
Ah cool. So I will just wait on PS5.
Man, I am shocked I went from being so hyped for the past 18 months to not caring.
Seems like I can wait a year after all
@vhsodre thanks for the laugh. Needed that.
I wanted to preorder ps5, but I'll wait for a month or so now. I want to see if hardware doesn't have issues like BLOD on ps4s or jet engine and if they do, maybe they will acknowledge it in the revision
Yea im not saying I won't buy a PS5, but with this information I'll wait a few years. No reason to spend all that money on a frame rate and resolution bump. I knew their was a reason these games still looked like PS4 games, lol.
@Holijay I'm with you, there is absolutely zero hype, and the game pricing at ridiculous 80 euros just pissed me off completely
There was so much stupid hub-bub about Sony believing in generations and exclusives and Microsoft being "consumer-friendly" by allowing cross-gen development. Now some of Sony's biggest upcoming exclusives are going to be cross-gen (read: not exclusive, and shackled by the need to run on weaker hardware) and most of Microsoft's big releases are so far out they're extremely likely to be next-gen exclusive.
I'm a big fan, though. I mean, it has made it that much less likely that I'd pop for a PS5 any time in the near future, but I'm happy about being able to get Horizon 2 at launch without the PS5 tax. They ought to just launch the thing day and date on PC as well while they're at it.
So much for Microsoft being shackled by last-gen and Sony being the flag-bearers for gamers everywhere.
If they just actually advertised this I'd be fine. Only reason why I'm getting this at launch is because my PS4 died about a year ago. Ugh, just make things more clear, that's all you had to do. Now literally everyone looks like idiots spreading misinformation you gave us.
@TheRedComet Not entirely convinced. SSDs have been available on PCs for quite a while, but haven't led to anything truly groundbreaking in overall game design. That might be easier to achieve on a console where everyone has identical hardware,
Whenever something comes along with "more power", the focus always seems to be exclusively on resolutions, frame rates, and making things look 'prettier'. But we still have all the same limitations on gameplay that we had in the PS2/PS3 era. You can break this window and get in this building, but not that one. You can wipe out an entire opposing force on your own to access this office block, but you can't move the computer desk blocking the stairs to access the roof, even though it's on castors. You've just scaled a cliff face with your bare hands, but the path to the right has a small fallen tree which you can't hop over, so you have to go left. This is the crap I want gone from games, and as the graphics do inevitably become more realistic, such limitations become ever harder to ignore.
@Peach64 If Sony changed their plans due to Covid, that would make all the talk of 'only possible on PS5' even more BS. Since that would mean they managed to port the games that were meant to take advantage of the PS5 hardware, and did it with next to no alterations to how the games were designed.
No, the more likely scenario is that Sony have known for a few years that these titles would be cross gen and they were planned and developed accordingly. They just lied about it until now.
That works well for me. I wasn't planning on getting a PS5 straight away, so it means I can still play those games.
realistically horizon forbidden west is going to be end 2021, so personally i would expect god of war 2, if it is indeed coming next year, to also be on PS4.
i don't care that much about higher resolutions or framerates, and both HZD and GoW looked and played really well on PS4pro, and to this point HFW and GoW2 would have been the only reason for me to buy a PS5. very bizarre strategy to "transition PS4 players quickly".. this is basically giving me good reasons not to bother. you really do wonder if the global situation has resulted in a production capacity and logistics problems so projections are nowhere near as optimisitc as they had originally hoped. even if they did sell 10m consoles first year.. horizon, spiderman, GoW were all individually 10m+ sellers on PS4.
@get2sammyb "we shouldn't be finding out today. It's crazy that Horizon Forbidden West will be shackled by PS4."
Both my wife and son were surprised HFW could play on a PS4 b/c of the underwater scenes, those looked truly next Gen to all of us.
But deciding today is a good time to tell people this, not June during the first showcase? Gotta smh in disbelief.
Can you imagine all the laughter over at MS HQ? Surprised they aren't tearing Sony up on Twitter yet. Unless they are, just finished dinner, gonna go watch the FFXVI trailer with my wife, she's a big fan. Well not big enough to like this I don't think.
Then as I told shogun, time to finally play The Witcher 3. Now I need to finish before HFW on PS4.
Im not bothered at all by Miles Morales or Sackboy. It makes sense to cater to the 100 million customers that may not be ready to transition yet.
However, i definitely have more concerns about Horizon 2. I fully expected it to fully harness the power of the PS5. So the thought that it could be held back due to current gen tech is concerning. The only positive is that if this is launching on ps4 , the game must be progressing well amd is closer to release than we think.
Sony need to come out with a statement to clearly explain why and how these titles are better to play on the PS5.
I certainly hope Ratchet and Clank is not destined to be a cross-gen title. Throughout its promotional window we have been hearing about how the particle effects are not possible on curre t gen hardware, so it would be very disappointing to see this show up on PS4.
@get2sammyb have to admit though, it's good marketing. Ethical? Probably not. But Sony has let the narrative sink that Microsoft's new consoles are shackled to the past. I doubt this changes that so close to launch.
Clear reminder these are just companies trying to make money.
Did people really think sony whold not release the top games on ps4 common 100 million consoles sold . Sony will release most if not all games for ps4 aswell for a few years at least . nothing changed for me day one baby dose anyone know if the hd camera will work on psvr ???? Looks like I will be spending 600 pounds on the 19th at least bring it on
@Wavey84 You mean, we re-use the same popular ip's for 10+ games straight Nintendo?
Only way I could see it on PS4 is if they decided load in all assets for the transitions on each mission. Which probably isn’t feasible.
“We have always said that we believe in generations. We believe that when you go to all the trouble of creating a next-gen console, that it should include features and benefits that the previous generation does not include. And that, in our view, people should make games that can make the most of those features.”
I don't think this changed. As stated, the exclusives that also come to PS4 are apparently taking also full advantage of the PS5 features. So if this holds true, then they didn't lie about anything.
Wow, a lot of salty comments here. I think it's a good thing because they should have delay the PS5 anyways, you know, with the current socioeconomic situation.
I don't think it will be detrimental to Sony in the long run because they will get the 1st day suckersto buy it no matter what.
sorry, but that is sony being hypocrites. there is no way to defend this move other than for business reasons. but to do a backwards flip from what was promised a mere 6 months ago is a bit shocking. not much of a reason to get ps5 for a while then. and if god of war (2021) also finds it ways to ps4, i might be waiting until 2022 before picking up a ps5. this model is not traditional for console gaming — it has lost some of its charm and various gaming experiences will now be held back on 10 year old tech. there are numerous caveats to doing this.
@Wavey84 Seriously, 2013 is just 7 years, 1 year more than the average lifespan for modern consoles and it is nothing compares to old consoles.
May I remind you that every Sony consoles were supported for at least 10 years. I don't see that changing.
I'M UNBELIEVABLY HAPPY ABOUT THIS NEWS!!!
Horizon Zero Dawn is one of my favorite games ever but I had no desire to buy a PS5 other than Forbidden West.
SO HAPPY RIGHT NOW 😁😁😁
Remember when we thought that The Last of Us II and Ghost of Tsushima were PS4's last exclusives?
Well I will just buy a PS5 much later on now and when the prices of games I had considered buying at launch drop to a point I consider fair or look to buying used on ebay...
Yeah I’m not too hyped for spidey mm and horizon fw if it’s still designed for ps4, we already have 7 years worth of games for the console, it’s enough, time for next-gen to shine, not be shackled to old 7 years console with 2013 laptop cpu slow harddrives.
Their previous statement was misleading and I don't want to defend their "next-gen only marketing" anymore after hearing this.
I'm still excited for Spiderman MM and HFW but it is a huge letdown to know that there might not be a huge difference between the PS4 and PS5 version of these games which makes the generational leap kinda pointless on its early years.
That's GREAT NEWS!!! I dont plan on getting a PS5 until they remove the Always on Spy MIc.
Once again, I don't get the controversy. Reading this comment section now is like entering a pub after 2am, and the drunks are in a big fight for seemingly no reason.
lol. Where's Phil when you need him?
This company literally withheld the fact that their games were cross gen until the last moment before pre-orders announced. Didn't mention it in the showcase neither. We found out on their blog. This is after these months of spreading their propaganda about "generations". And escape from being a flatout lie on technicality lol. All while the PS4 versions were in existence and MS taking heat for "cross gen". They planted those seeds. Pretty scummy but effective till the last moment. Is Demons Souls coming to PC or not? First it was, then it wasn't. Im inclined to believe it will even tho they said it's not. This new administration is all over the place, just look what just happened with the pre-orders. I hope stuff like this wasn't the real reason why Shawn Layden left because if so, the people at the top chose wrong. Jim Ryan and Hermen Hulst clearly don't know what the hell they're doing.
@get2sammyb...... As a football fan (Liverpool Fc fan from South Africa) I thought football fans are fickle but geez we gamers are the most Primadona of all entertainment community fans................. And I think as Push Square (supposedly a Playstation community site) you like site traffic and clickbait off any of Sony missteps (every company makes them, even push square)....... In truth Sony never lied about MM or HFW.. SackBoy etc..... They just showed their trailers with the wording captured/running on Ps5, nowhere have Sony said those games are Ps5 exclusive and anyone who claims that made their own assumption that these games are Ps5 exclusives..... Please show me where Sony ever mentioned those games were Ps5 exclusives..... They never said so.... They only showed them running or captured running on Ps5 and I don't know about but running or captured running on Ps5 does not mean Ps5 exclusive otherwise then Nba2K21 is also a Ps5 exclusive.............Stop Writing click and articles inciting anger from the community when what you are writing bouy hve never been confirmed................. In your response I expect you to show were it was confirmed those games are Ps5 exlcusive other than being shown to run on Ps5......... Sony have shown a few third party games which mention in their 2 shows case which specifically mentioned that they are Ps5 exclusive(e.g. PROJECT THIA).... So in essence Sony have only shown or mention only 1 purely Ps5 exclusive game from their 1st party studios( R&C Rift Apart) ......... SACKBOY, MM, HFW hve only been shown running on Ps5 but not mentioned as Ps5 exclusive........ So Sony's We believe In Generations has only shown Ratchet ND Clank and not other pure Ps5 exclusive game so they have no lied to anyone..... The only thing they are guilty of is not showing more pure Ps5 exclusive..... But what do you expect the Ps5 has only been in devs hands less than 2 years and most devs would have been busy with final projects for current Gen...... The only other true next gen game we have seen is Game Science's Black Myth because of being new and no other projects invested in the current gen they are developing on nex gen systems only and that game is a few years away............. Everybody else is in transitions between current and next gen......... Same reason Konami skip further dev on current gen Pes to focused on transitioning the game from current gen to nex gen (Fifa has large market) hence the quicker transition and Ea are still heavily invested in Fifa on current gen because of the huge market share they have on the install base.........
PS5 DAY1 ALL DAY EVERYDAY NOVEMBER DAY ALL THE WAY SSD PUSHING TIME OUTTA WAY DUAL SENSE FEELING WAY OKAY
Ratchet and clank aint on ps4!
Ratchet and Clank is not on Ps4. Jesus talk abut spreading rumours.
@Baz12345 Hmmm, but Ratchet and Clank came out on PS4 in April 2016. =P
Seriously though, how is my comment "spreading rumours"? All my comment said was that the next thing Jimmy Jim Jam will tell us is that it is not as impossible on PS4 as they first made it out to be. I never said anything about it being confirmed at this moment, just that given the trend of PS5 games being crossgen, it would not surprise me if they confirm the new Ratchet and Clank for PS4 too.
Makes me wonder about the trailer we seen now. They said that Ghost was the last PS4 exclusive. Will stick with my ps4 pro for now.
Don't get any. It takes about a year to get the full value out of them. Nothing to really play.
However we know horizon will have pc specs, just look at ghost and the last of us 2. They already look next gen.
PS5 : 0
Of course they're going to support the PS4 for quite a while yet, where possible...
Hay all its been confirmed by sony that demon souls will not be released on the PC
Demon souls not going to PC. Just can't see Ratchet and Clank going on PS4 either.
Unfortunately the new sony management
Have Lack of TRANSPARENCY
Why they have lied to us all this time about this games
@get2sammyb I completely agree. They have said the exact opposite and rode on the wave of negativity towards Microsoft only to turn around and do the exact same thing. It's either blatant lying originally or a massive U-turn in the last few weeks. Given how long game development takes it has to be the former.
A smart move by Sony. They realise stock for the PS5 over the next year will be limited and they have an install base of over 100 million users that they don't wan't to lock out. This is a pro consumer move which may upset some very hardcore players but most players will be happy to play Miles Morales this Holiday regardless of what generation they are in. I guess they believe in generations, just multiple ones.
Also I am confused why anyone would be upset with PS games going onto PC, Sony is a business after all.
I am one of the biggest playstation fans. And a big reason for that is that Sony respects it's players, generally over delivers in terms of games and their quality, but most importantly never blatantly lied or mislead me as a consumer. Unlike many of the other scummy game companies like EA, Activision, Bethesda, and Ubisoft. This was a betrayal no doubt about it. They, like the aforementioned companies, were willing to tarnish their honor. And yes it is as serious as that. I'm always shocked how many companies and just people are will to besmirch their reputation and their word by lying or being shady. It's one of those things where once you sully your reputation it is impossible to get it back completely. Aside from from the lie, the other big thing is there is no doubt having to have a next gen game also work on a 7 year old system definitely holds it back. I don't care what they say. They also completely lied about pre orders. They laughingly said oh we will give you plenty of time to prepare for pre orders. That was a complete lie. Not cool. The worst was when it seemed like Demon's Souls was going to be day and date on pc. Then Jeff Grub said it was also going to come to series x later!!. I was furious. It's bad enough they lied. But overall I thought the games and prices were fantastic and will try to get one at launch. Sony needs to understand your word is more important than greed. Unadulterated greed is not a good look!
That's any reason for me to buy one soon gone. Wonder what other PS5 games will come to PS4
"We have always said that we believe in generations. We believe that when you go to all the trouble of creating a next-gen console, that it should include features and benefits that the previous generation does not include. And that, in our view, people should make games that can make the most of those features.”
This is NOT back tracking. He never said there wouldn't be cross gen games and when he spoke of believing in generations he was speaking of features like dual sense and 3D audio.
It is incredible how people cannot be bothered to read his actual quote.
@Sam-Bridges If HZD 2 looks as good and runs as good as the first im sure a lot of people will be happy.
Wasnt sackboy already crossplatform?
I do have some mixed feelings over this happening, but will still be playing the PS5 versions no matter what.
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