This rollercoaster of a build-up to the next generation just does not stop. After surprising the gaming world yesterday with the announcement of a State of Play livestream primarily focused on PlayStation 4, a new report from Bloomberg claims this isn't the only reveal Sony has up its sleeve for the month of August. The site states that the next PlayStation 5 annoucement is "tentatively scheduled" for this month.
Penned by Takashi Mochizuki, it is said that "Sony’s next announcement regarding the PlayStation 5 is tentatively scheduled for this month." This comes from a source inside Sony who, understandably, wished to remain anonymous. It's the word "tentatively" which really gets us here, however. With the date of this supposed reveal not exactly locked down to August, could we yet enter September without a date and price for the Japanese giant's next console? We never thought it would come to this so let's hope Sony manages to nail down this particular announcement for the month ahead.
Bloomberg also doesn't say what kind of PS5 reveal this will be. Is it another digital event or a PlayStation Blog post detailing the all-new HDMI cable? Let's hope it's the former. Please be the former. What do you make of this report? Do you think we will get those all-important PS5 details at some point this month? Let us know in the comments below.
[source bloomberg.com]
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I don't want any announcement just to tell me about a HDMI cable, I just don't care. One end goes in the console and the other in the TV and what happens inbetween is none of my concern
I realise it's a joke but the amount I've seen online banging on about these things and HDMI 2.1, I just want to know about the launch games, price and release date at this point
Doesn't fill me with confidence to be honest, if it is out in November it is getting a bit late (September) to reveal pricing etc, I think the main driver here is them waiting to see what MS do first but they should get ahead of the game!
Multiplayer becomes free (no PS+ required) and the PS+ subscription to include PS Now, PS5 consoles £500 (£450 digital) and a date for pre orders that sounds fair right!?!?.
I keep reading comments of people expecting online multiplayer becoming free and I feel like they're setting themselves up for disappointment.
Ps+ is such a goldmine, mostly thanks to online multiplayer, that I just don't see Sony making any changes any time soon. Maybe if they were struggling like MS.
Please. Please don't give me hope
Being No1 means waiting to see what the opposition comes up with..............so over to you Microsoft.
Sony's communication over the PS5 have been... well... poor. I've checked back to look at previous generations and by now we've always had release dates and prices, seen the hardware and UI and know roughly what the launch line up is. The communication from Sony this time around has been thoroughly anaemic. It's not good. Mark Cerny promised a tear down of the system in March, that just doesn't look like it is coming. We don't even know the official dimensions of the PS5 let alone what ports are on the rear of the thing, or what WiFi and blu-tooth protocols it supports. We know next to nothing about the system, and quite frankly I'm not sure we can blame Covid-19 for it anymore. This is clearly part of a concerted marketing strategy for them, and it's awful. We are potentially less than 3 months away from the PS5 launch and we know very, very little about what we can expect day 1 in terms of games and the product itself. If Microsoft takes Flak for what they've shown, then Sony should take flak for what they've not shown.
@naruball yeah I think Microsoft have backed themselves into a corner regarding free multiplayer. It's difficult to justify the charge when such a large amount of your player base is on PC or mobile playing online for free
@Mostik Sounds great... but I don't think most of that will happen. e.g.
I would love to be proved wrong - free multiplayer, £399 and £449 etc. but I don't see it.
Tentatively, allegedly, reportedly, rumouredly (ok, I know it's not even a word..).... Until we know for certain I'm going to pretend the PS5 is just an urban myth.
@Number09 I hear you're a racist now father!
Can't wait for the os and another batch of ps5 games announcement, and maybe state of play for ps5 titles like miles morales, horizon 2, and demons souls.
@carlos82 If microsoft announce free multiplayer online for their console, I think they're not expecting to sell many console. At this point I think this fall it will be ps5 vs gamepass rather than ps5 vs xbox x.
@LN78 Xbox is not microsoft though, the reason microsoft is trillion dollars company is because their windows and office monopoly, not because xbox.
@themightyant actually I do see the PS5 being sub £500, in fact I won't be massively surprised to see it hitting £399 for the Standard Edition. We had reports that as component costs the PS5 was tentatively hit with a $421 bill for manufacture. Since then we've heard yields on the APU are surprisingly high, which will bring the cost per component down, and that Sony are significantly ramping up production targets, which in and if itself usually results in cost savings. Consoles at launch have historically been sold at a loss. On average Sony have eaten roughly $50's at every launch at least, Microsoft have eaten more due to the OG Xbox being way too expensive to make and the bundled Kinnect with the X1 (smooth move Don). So if Sony do put out the PS5 at £499.99 in the UK I think they'll be making a fairly serious profit, which doesn't square with normal console business practice, which runs on the razor blade model.
"Is it another digital event or a PlayStation Blog post detailing the all-new HDMI cable?"
I've heard at clutching at straws guys, but this was just comical. I hope it was intended to be, and not a genuine question.
“Tentatively”. Doesn’t mean anything to be honest. It’s still not a firm thing. I better not expect anything if that’s the case, going in low expectations.
@naruball PS+ will never be free, because (a) As you said it's a goldmine, (b) It's the main source of funds for multiplayer functionality and server maintanence, and (c) It pays for part of the budgeting costs for Sony to make deals with 3rd party companies to allow us to have free games each month.
Its tentative because they want Microsoft to leap first with pricing information. All the noises are that Microsoft will intentionally try to undercut the cost of the PS5 which has always been a huge marketing push for consoles. Remember Sony's infamous $299 ahead of the PS1 launch, the reveal of the PS4 pricing - and the failure of the communications around Playstation 3 - 'the PS3 will make you want to get a second job'....
Sony are being very careful here. And for those saying Sony's comms are anaemic- i'd still point to the polished show they put on last month as well as the fact we are still living through a global pandemic. Sony won't want to over promise and under deliver on things like system availability. They probably have no idea what their supply chains will look like come the autumn, nor (worst case scenario) whether brick and mortar retailers will even still exist to sell the console.
Sony will reveal all when they are ready and when they are confident that all the pieces can fit together. My thoughts are to plan for £500 / €500 / $500 - albeit with some regional variation. I fully expect the system to launch in mid-November. So the only questions outstanding will really come down to what the launch line up looks like - with Miles Morales likely the big first party offering.
Honestly love this game of cat & mouse between MS & Sony.
Price ultimately doesn’t matter to me right now. It’ll be between $500-600. Just funny to see who goes first.
@Grindagger It is a joke.
@wiiware it seems Xbox is aiming to be a platform now and one that just happens to have hardware, they don't even seem that keen to try sell Series X to people who have an Xbox One
@SirAngry While I see your point I though the $421 was the BOM or bill of materials i.e. the cost of the components ONLY, and also thought to be a low estimate, others thought more. This doesn't include manufacturing, R&D, advertising, distribution, a cut for retailers and other costs. Putting out a console costs far more than the BOM.
As a consumer I hope you're right though and I'm probably setting my expectations low
When they say ‘tentatively’ they mean waiting till after any Microsoft announcement... and so continues the pathetic cat and mouse charade.. but so far Microsoft is definitely winning the pro consumer battle.
People need to calm down. Sony are making plenty of ps5's to go around and if you need to save up for one, you should already be doing so. If sony would have waited this long last gen, there would be no ram buffer in the xbox one and even more customers would have joined ps straight away. Trust in Sony, They always deliver.
@themightyant I suspect you are more likely to be right than me, definitely with regards to PS+ I just wonder what it has to offer someone with a PS5 other than multiplayer (PS4 games won't fly maybe VR ones though!), the rumours out of MS are that they will scrap the pay to play online side of game pass so Sony will need something and it offers a good library of PS1, PS2 & PS3 games but again you are right it can't compete with game pass. Maybe have the PS1 & PS2 library on PS+ similar to what Nintendo offer with their subscription.
I do think the PS5 will be £500 or less though so one out of 3 wouldn't be too bad, but agreed more hopeful than anything!
Takashi Mochizuki, is familiar with tentatively confirming rumoured rumours..
I.E. a lot of fluff.
The major downside to not having one centralised show like E3 is you get the Big Three pussy-footing around because they can wait to react to each other and Nintendo can just go wonder off into the woods never to be heard from again...
I'm not even that bothered about knowing the price or release just yet, obviously we know it's going to be this holiday at roughly £450 - £500.
I'd rather they do a full presentation on backwards compatiblility with what's supported and performance/resolution increases we can expect.
@naruball When Xbox Live has 90 million users (double that of PS+), I don't think you can say they're struggling.
Anyway, it would be a good change, because paying for online play is ridiculous anyway.
"This comes from a source inside Sony who, understandably, wished to remain anonymous"
As per usual.
Dear sir or madam, if you wish to remain anonymous, you either don't exist or sell out something confidential enough to put your job and career at risk. Once again, WHICH of these options should incentivize an audience outside the most abstinence-wrecked addicts in the fandom to pursue any data that comes from you?
Bears repeating that all such leaks are either fakes or bootlegs. Tertium non datur.
@Octane Compared to Sony this generation, they most certainly are. When you refuse to report your hardware sales, you know you're in trouble.
Same with Sony and vita and Ninty and Wiiu.
@Grindagger Very well said!
To be honest, not knowing the price yet doesn't really bother me too much. I'm more interested in seeing the UI and console breakdown and more games myself. But for those complaining about the price not been revealed yet, it is kind of Microsofts fault really. Microsoft doesn't seem that bothered about selling more consoles than Sony, so I'm more surprised that Microsoft hasn't revealed the price yet. Sony on the other hand are very stubborn and won't reveal the price until Microsoft does 🤔😂
@naruball Nice to see eye to eye with you on something for a change
Im starting to think these systems may not release 2020.
@themightyant well there's a number of counter arguments I can give you, not in a being a d*** kind of way:
1) Both the Forbes $450 and Taiwan Business Times $421 did both include Labour and construction costs and weren't just BOM. Actually, now I think about it, those two figures might represent the SE and DE consoles... hmm.
2) Given that Sony are partnering with third party manufacturers for components the R&D costs don't fall on Sony or Microsoft as an upfront cost anymore, but are rolled into the cost of components like the APU. This also explains why cost reductions to both the PS4 and X1 weren't as big as previous generations.
3) At the same point in time for the PS4 projected manufacturing cost (excluding shipping same as these figures) was at $432 so the PS5 isn't massively out of line from what the PS4 was. The 7nm process at TSMC is very mature right now, which probably helps with costs, fabrication and yields from fabricated waffers.
Look, I'm not saying it won't be £499.99, but given where previous generations have been at this point in time in terms of manufacturing costs, I'd say the PS5 isn"t massively out of line. For the record the XSX is supposedly at $461 in costs, primarily because their slightly larger APU reduces the number of dies fabricates per waffer, and I expect Microsoft to eat that as well. Maybe I'm the naive optimist here, and if I am, so be it, but given previous patterns I'd expect them to eat a loss of this magnitude.
@SirAngry Thanks for the mature discourse and update, it is both interesting and appreciated. You clearly know more on this than me and i'm always happy to be educated further. You make a very good case:
1) I wasn't aware of the TBT included manufacturing, I had seen suggested otherwise.
3) Never seen those PS4 numbers, interesting comparison and if true bodes well as PS4 was £349 at launch in UK... although the pound was stronger in 2013.
I suspect I am being overly cautions and lowering my expectations so as not to feel burned later, I may actually be happily surprised... oddly i'm usually an optimist in most of life
Thanks again.
Yeah, I'm from the UK, I moved to Sweden for work, so I remember the PS4 being £349, but the pound ranking like it is might see it go 1 to 1 with the Euro and dollar. Don't know that I know more than your average nerd actually. I remember years ago after a particularly long 2 day slog finishing something off, getting on a bus in Nottingham to go home, only to find a text from a colleague telling me to check out a gaming news site, I did so and found out the studio heads had announced a 6 month delay to the game we were working on. The staff were officially told on the following Monday, at lunch time, during our lunch break, which was then wasted. Nice.
As to the differences in the Forbes and TBT figures, both were adament they were right speaking to their respective sources, I do now think, looking at it, we might have been seeing the cost difference between the DE and SE as well. All I will say is that we know the yields are good for both systems, AMD seem particularly happy with this a d Lisa Su seemed oddly proud of what had been achieved, so that bodes well for cost management.
As does talk in Sony's supply chain of doubling initial shipments for Q1. All I'll say is this, does it seem likely Sony would double initial shipments from 5m to 10m if this thing was going to be exorbitantly expensive? Maybe if Sony are in super arrogant mode, but my guess is you don't take that kind of fiscal gamble if you don't think you can shift them, because storing millions of consoles in warehouses costs a lot of money, ask Don Mattrick.
@Grindagger haha. There's hope after all
So its GamesCom month right? PS5 news are expected 'tentatively' . If I was a journalist I would not pretend I have insiders info about what everyone already knows.
Not a good look
I believe Sony will want to price the PS5 at around $50 below that of Series X. It is wise for them to have Microsoft announced their pricing first. I doubt either will cost more than $499 given the competition and the economy.
As many have said, I doubt the price will be higher than $499, so just for the sake of planning, assume its $499. If the difference of $50-$100 is make or break for you right now, you should probably not be an early adopter and just wait until you have more disposable income or the price drops to one you are more comfortable with.
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