Sony will continue to explore the expansion of its first-party titles to the PC, as it looks to “promote further growth in our profitability”. The tidbit shouldn’t come as a major surprise after the recent release of Horizon Zero Dawn on Steam, but it’s unlikely to sit particularly well with long-time fans who feel PlayStation may be losing a competitive advantage.
The manufacturer will need to weigh things up, but we can’t imagine there’s much harm in experimenting. There is potential profit to be earned from the lucrative PC market, but it’ll need to decide what kind of cost that comes with. Some argue that the Japanese giant is distilling one of its biggest selling points by making key titles available elsewhere.
We reckon that there’s no real harm in this, as the releases are unlikely to be ported until long after their sales trajectory has bottomed out. As such, it could actually help increase the profile of some of its brands, driving more people back to PlayStation as all-new instalments in major franchises launch. How do you feel about all this?
but why, its not like Sony needs the mula, it will only devalue the ps5
@pimpjuice These companies exist only to make more money. They never have enough!
@get2sammyb And Yet Why Isn't Nintendo Trying This If There Is So Much Money To Be Made?
@Areus Good point really. I think it may be because Nintendo tends to have weak hardware and if you ever played a PC version of a Nintendo game at 120fps and 4K you would NEVER go back to a Nintendo console. Where as Sony could still lure PC players to PS5 as there wont be that big of a performance difference. 🤷🏾♂️
If they release ps exclusives day one on PC, they are going to lose many ps players. I hope this doesn't happen.
No. Hell no. Console exclusives are the reason consoles sell & it’s what sets them apart from other systems. If these people want to play a PlayStation game so bad then they need to invest in one.
I think what sony get on pc isn't worth it compared to what sony get on playstation ecosystem (30% from games, dlc, mtx, etc), why give reason to people to leaving playstation ecosystem by porting the exclusive games. And I heard that horizon zd pc port only sells about 500k compared to 10M+ on ps4, it's not like single player games sells a lot on pc.
One of the reason I bought switch is because there's a lot of exclusive games on it, and I don't have any plan to buy xbox system because all their games can be bought on pc. I don't think it's wise for playstation to copy xbox strategy rather than nintendo.
I'll just say this...
I currently have no interest in buying Xbox hardware, because they don't make much if anything I'm particularly interested in, and if they do, it's also available on PC... and I have a great PC.
For now, Sony are releasing a few games on PC, and years later. There's still reason for me to buy PlayStation hardware. Should they match MS in this area, my interest will wane significantly.
I realise this will not be the case for everyone, but I'd be willing to bet that it will for a very significant number.
Yeah, I'm definitely sticking with my plan to upgrade my PC soon. Best of both worlds!
Although, realistically, I expect future Playstation ports to PC to be like HZD: years late and full price when the console version is in the bargain bin. Sony isn't stupid: they understand the necessity for exclusives that drive hardware adoption.
@3Above PC players have enough of an elitist attitude as it is. The last thing they need are console games coming to them. If Sony gives PC their exclusives then interest in PlayStation will dwindle.
@Paranoimia People also underestimate how patient gamers are. They’ll wait for a while for a game they want to be ported to PC or they’ll just keep false hope that the game will come eventually.
@Akurusu I agree.
Bad move but I guess greed is stronger than logic. If they keep doing this people will just wait to buy the game on PC and not get a Playstation 5. I am really curious to see how many Xbox Series X will be sold because there is really no reason to get one.
If some PlayStation exclusives are, moving forward, just timed exclusives, I think that’s great. More money for the devs, more exposure to the IPs, and really, if a PC gamer prefers PC over consoles, who am I to tell them no?
If releasing Gravity Rush 1 and 2 on PC allows us to get a potential Gravity Rush 3, I'm all for it.
Besides, playing GR2 in ultra widescreen has me drooling.
I find it highly distasteful that apparently the only motive behind this is increasing their profits. Nevermind the two and a half decades Sony has spent building up their brand with numerous franchises that people associate only with PlayStation. Nevermind this entire generation has proven for them that the best way to stay head and shoulders above the competition is having titles that can't be played anywhere else, which is the reason why MS floundered so much this gen. Nevermind how much this actively screws over the existing PS fanbase who only end up receiving the inferior versions of Sony's own games. I guess all of that just can't get in the way of more money, can it?
Almost makes me wonder why they didn't start doing this last gen, back when the PS3 was a total financial failure for them and their exclusives weren't nearly as successful as they are now. I guess Sony simply valued the PS brand more back then than they do now.
Getting a Playstation is starting to get increasingly more and more worthless.
Give me all Final Fantasies on PC and I'm done with PS.
So, they go all out of their way to get exclusive games and content from third party, and then they release their first party games on PC?? That doesn't make any sense, either you want people to buy your console or you don't. And releasing first party games on PC means you don't
‘it’s unlikely to sit particularly well with long-time fans who feel PlayStation may be losing a competitive advantage’ ... Sony won’t care what it’s fans think as long as this business strategy makes them more money. That’s what their fans need to understand, they (Sony) like other big corporations are in the business of making money not pleasing their fans.
It could be bad for Sony in the long run if a lot of their fans stopped buying PlayStation consoles as their game and network services are their biggest income. MS can afford to sell less consoles but Sony can’t. I can’t see this mattering anyway, there must way more casual gamers out their than PC gamers.
@ArmyofOne I think it's mainly because of Herman Hulst being the new person to work for PS although I dont know how it works so I might be saying dumb stuff.
As long as it's several years, who cares.
As soon as it would only be a year or even just some months, bye PlayStation.
At bare minimum I was some honesty from Sony and this site when speaking of these games. Horizon Zero Dawn for example is a multiplatform game and calling it a exclusive is purposely lying to our faces.
All future PS games that go to PC will be multiplats, by default is not exclusive since you can then play it somewhere else (where it will also look and play better 😒) that isn't a PlayStation platform.
I'll continue buying them of course since I don't only love exclusives. If I however I see PlayStation keep turning into Xbox I'll just jump ship to PC, you know the platform they keep trying to push everyone too.
Good. The more people who get to play these games, the better. I buy whatever’s cheapest, PS or PC version so more choice is good. Mods will be nice to see on big games.
@nessisonett "The more people who get to play these games, the better"
You always make that ridiculous argument that you don't even believe your self 😒
Why aren't you screaming from the rooftops that TLOU2 and Ghost should be ported to PC/Xbone? Xbone has almost a 50 mil install base so wouldn't it be stupid to ignore all those players?
That's a potential 50mil that could be enjoying those games too. Rift Apart with some downgrades to loading could run on Series X and PC. Why turn down those potential buyers who could enjoy it too?
Why make make PC gamers wait for Horizon 2 when they can release it the same day on both platforms and get everyone united in enjoying the game?
Also Series X has the same install base as PS5 so Horizon 2 should be ported there too so everyone can enjoy the game ☺️
@Juanalf Sure, port it over. I don’t care if it’s on Xbox, I have a Playstation and would play it on that. More choice is good.
@nessisonett Never met someone who outright hates the idea of exclusives 😅 well if that's what you like I respect that ✌️
@Juanalf I play games, not consoles. I don’t derive my pleasure from having made the ‘right choice’ by having better exclusives. Between Game Pass PC, Steam, a Switch and Playstation, I can access basically every big game coming out. I still give Microsoft money but I’ve never owned an Xbox in my life which is great for me as a consumer. I don’t want these people getting any more of my money than I want to spend. I lost any loyalty to Sony when I was scammed out of £50 and when PayPal refunded me after deeming it a scam, Sony locked my account of access to all games and demanded I paid them the £50. I ended up doing it because I couldn’t even play discs. Anyone saying that Sony are greedy for doing this have forgotten that they aren’t an altruistic charity, they’re a greedy massive corporation who love money.
Got to laugh at those thinking this will lose PS players, come on people you do realize not everyone likes PC gaming or can even afford it. I swear the elitist only think they are the ones who game.
Good, sick of console performance in games.
as long as thing good for playstation industry I am totally with it. the profit could deliver more good 1st party games to us, and hopefully in smaller period of time.
@avenovah they to have to wait long then.
@glassmusic There are so many series that have been associated with PlayStation for over 15 years. God of War, Ratchet & Clank, etc. they will lose their identity and recognition if they move to PC. The way Mario is the icon of Nintendo, Kratos is the icon of PlayStation. It will be a disservice to see either of them outside their platform & make fans lose respect.
@Akurusu Literally what are you going to do? Boycott Playstation because they released games on PC? No, you would sit down and consume your products like a good little boy regardless.
Sweet! I have bought the mass effect trilogy for pc , xbox and PlayStation , ( while im on about it wheres the re-release i want it on switch lol) uncharted series and last of us can be on my steam library to! Just please dont bring out a launcher. Just like e.a rockstar is annoying now to. If i buy through steam it launches on steam no other launcher needed than the game its self , thanks for the read.
I find fanboys getting angry over this rather hilarious.
More people will get to play the games that you like, what's the harm?
@nessisonett, he did kinda boycott some Playstation exclusives cough tlou 2 cough. What i found funny is now some people here "like" all ps exclusives but two months ago tells a different story. Just saying.
After the reactions of some ps fans of the Horizon PC port and tlou 2 leaks, i say sony can release any games they want on any platform. As long as they keep making games i don't mind.
It's better for the consumer and it might be better for Sony on the short run, but a lot of people wouldn't buy a PS5 if it weren't for exclusives. I hope they do port them, so I can have all the games on PC and I'll save some money on buying a PS5.
Makes it more appealing for me to finally build a PC rig instead. I've toyed with the idea for a while now, if consoles won't have games locked to it then I may as well look until getting a more powerful machine.
I'm all for more options available to the consumer.
Ooh, yes please!
dodges a pitchfork
Most pc players will always be pc players and won’t buy a console for sum exclusive games. Pc has millions of games and we get all Xbox xclusives to. I will never buy a console cause I like to play with mouse and keyboard and pc always looks the best and higher FPS etc . Sony just making more money so smart move on there part
To be honest i hope it doesn't work out for Sony and they stop releasing games on pc, even older games. Surely Sony can see how it has affected xbox sales, and its not like playstation exclusive games don't sell well as exclusives. Xbox doesn't have anything worth buying in my opinion so it makes sense to sell them on pc and throw them into a cheap service like game pass. Hopefully HZD sales on pc wasn't that great to discourage Sony with considering other games and to not waste playstation studios time on optimising for pc. Also xbox and pc fanboys are already annoying so Sony releasing games on pc would only make them more annoying lol
Yeah i totally remember that liar of Hulst saying this will not become a thing.
This companies are so desperate to send everybody to PC that i don't really know why they even launch new consoles.
Seems like only Nintendo actually believe in his own hardware and community.
@Makina Yup, remember the quote when Hulst said not every exclusive will go to PC and now this.
Saw that one coming a long time ago, honestly depending of more information of the next console PS4 might be my last game console for me, PC is looking better for my gaming needs since it’s gonna have both Xbox and PS and I don’t care about Nintendo anymore but maybe we’ll see their games on PC sooner or later either way
@Akurusu 1) I said some. 2) Mario has been on other platforms including PC. I just called him, he’s doing okay. 3) People will always associate certain IPs with PS. If they get hooked Naughty Dog games they’ll want to get a PS5 to experience the games years sooner.
I love playstation and all but isn't this why we have exclusives? Well console exclusives, i guess not anymore. Well give it a few years after each release they will be on pc, pc players or maybe even xbox will rub there hands thinking ill play my backlog and my normal games i will buy for the next 3 years then il just buy these "console exclusives" on pc to play. Sony will make money which is a decent business strategy for them in the long run from their point of view no doubt tbh but doesnt help us the gamers that want to play just our exclusives in the first place, i thought you buy the console to play the games right?
Doesn't matter if it's years later and from a last gen system, I always figured PS5 would be the last console anyway and 5 years from now PC at 4k 60fps will be extremely cheap cost of entry
If this keeps going, the only console I'll own is Nintendo. At least they understand the importance of Exclusivity.
If Playstation keeps this up then bye2, best be pirating their games on PC then
Better invest the money in PS Now infrastructure and add more 1st party games to the service and it's enough and people can play the games on PC.
Kind of a strange thing to get riled up about if you ask me. If you like playing on PS you just keep on but if you were wishing you could be playing certain games on PC you maybe get to do that instead, albeit probably much later.
And for the record, I'll be in the former group.
Horizon Zero Dawn likely did well on PC then, I always thought that if that PC port did well enough more PS exclusives would come to PC. It's how things started with Xbox's change, what started out as just a few 1st party XB1 games on the Microsoft Store grew over time into what you see now where every upcoming 1st party game comes to Microsoft Store and Steam with some games even coming many months earlier on PC (e.g. Gears Tactics, Flight Sim) or not releasing at all on Xbox (e.g. Age of Empires) in addition to more older games being brought over to PC.
Right now the only notable 1st party XB1 games not on PC are Forza Motorsport 5, Forza Horizon 2, Halo 5 and Rare Replay. Forza is licensing related (Forza games expire after 4 years because of music and/or car licensing), Halo 5 will probably come to PC after Halo 4 and Rare Replay is probably because it uses Xbox 360 backwards compatibility versions.
I'm not too surprised by this. I have a beefy PC, but in the end I still much prefer playing games on my PS4. The games are optimized for the system, setting up local co-op is a breeze, watching and streaming video is great, and the exclusives are the best. I think it's actually pretty smart of Sony to make a game, get a bunch of money for it, wait years later, and then release it on PC to fund a sequel. It just means that more money will get pumped into games and devs.
Well i don't think that pc releases make pc gamers buy PS. On the contrary, they will expect more games from PS to PC so they won't come to different platform.
Im really glad that i bought a PS4 pro (my first Playstation), since i was able to experience many PS (or console) exclusive games i would have never played if i would have stuck with PC gaming. However, since it seems Sony keeps releasing increasingly more of SOME of their exclusives on PC, i have lost interest in PS5 altogether. After all some of their exclusives are good enough for me, when they eventually come.
This was always going to be inevitable for Sony to release their games over to the PC and to be fair their strategy is very different from Microsofts approach. The days of making a game exclusively for one platform is in the past as games development cost is way to expensive for this business practice.
Alot of people are bringing up Nintendo , but even Nintendo were forced to bring over their characters to Mobile.
Sony has stated that Playstation Exclusives will remain exclusive till the end of the console release .
There are alot of untapped consumers Sony can reach to with their games as alot of countries soley play on PC.
Does this mark the end or devalue the Playstation Brand ?
No , There is still alot of reasons to own a console . You will never build a PC that can match the Series X or PS5 Specs with the same cost and have the longevity 5-10 years.
It is also much simpler for a parent to go to a store and buy their child a Console for Xmas or Birthday.
Even though I own a Gaming PC , I still mostly play Consoles because all my friends are on the Playstation Ecosystem. I am also not that patient of a person to wait 2-5 years hoping and waiting for a pc port of a game I want to play to come over just to play it on max settings . PC is a great Platform , but its not perfect .
At the end of the day its the games thats whats most important , Choose whatever platform you have fun with most and have fun =)
@ ever one above... please read the financial report regarding playstation. Its just two sentences... we want to explore..... to generate futher profitability. This means that Sony will release old games on PC has it has already matured on PS4 or PS5. Dont expect situations such as MS who releases games simulatiosly.
So the plan is to port over story driven games that end on cliffhangers and then not there sequels?
Guys you got it wrong!,
You should focus on developers. Not the publisher! It's All about the games!
So these people
CD Projekt RED
Adam Badowski Studio Head
Dragon Age: Origins
Dan Tudge Executive Producer and Project Director
Mark Darrah Executive Producer and Project Director
I’m cool with Sony putting select PlayStation exclusives on pc years after release.
I like the utter insanity of some comments. Some people are down to earth while other don't realise that not everyone is willing to pour £1500 into a good gaming pc to have better graphics on a much smaller screen
Makes no difference to me if PC gets Playstation exclusives years after PS5, it makes no difference to my experience with The Last of Us 2 if somebody plays it on a different box today, let alone 2-3 years from now. I'll be playing those games on PS5 because I much prefer the convenience (and price) of a console over a PC
Maybe Sony will sell a hundred million PlayStation PC's some day.
I totally hate PC gaming. Unoptimised games, multiple game stores (steam,epic) , cheaters,non-stop driver updates and settings baffling to run a game the best way for your rig..however business wise I understand Sony.. if they could sell millions of their exclusives on PC why bother developing and supporting their own hardware and all the risks involved?I thing if they could spend way less and still make money they could wipe away consoles without second though..
They are always gonna launch on PS first and then a year down the track they’ll MAYBE go to PC depending on the title.
Anyone who is genuinely worried or angry about this needs to get a life. It changes nothing.
I won't panic. I'll just not buy a Playstation console.
@djlard They're basically all on PC. All major entries are there, play and look better than console and the only one currently missing the one that Sony paid to keep off PC till April 2021. FF7R, which was a disaster on console.
@4kgk2 exactly. Sony haven’t said that all PS titles will come to PC and whichever ones do, it will be some time (years) after the initial exclusivity period for obvious reasons.
@Menchi FF7R was a disaster based on what metric?
@wiiware You know "only" 500k sales on PC still nets them around €20 million right?
€50 per copy, 500k copies, €25 million. Valve's cut is 20% (since the game broke 10 million the dev cut is 80%, not 70%) which is €20 million. I didn't factor in the 12% on EGS since no one buys games there over Steam.
@Arnna Ever tried playing it on Ps4 Pro? Console technical failings for days. Texture memory just ain't there. 30fps too.
@Wake13 Yeah,I noticed,HZD,did not even have any DRM on launch and git cracked immediately ,so are sony really willingly,taking this risk?
@Arnna But if they get a life, does that mean that they have to give up being angry on the internet?
I love articles like this. It shows who all the plonkers are.
@Menchi I’m aware of the texture issues and yes I play on a Pro but your comment is pretty hyperbolic.
Why exactly do you need a turn based JRPG to run at 60fps or more? It does virtually nothing.
I believe you may have been playing a different game.
There is nothing hyperbolic about a texture issue so severe it is present in almost every single scene in the game. Pretty major issue right there.
@Menchi it’s basically turn based wrapped in a pretty outer shell.
A better example would be HZD - it runs fine on PS4 but it would greatly benefit from a better frame rate considering how fast paced it is.
@Arnna The vast majority of FF7R combat is spent in real time. Also HZD doesn't run fine on PS4, it's 30fps.
@naruball probably! They’ll prob just continued to post on websites based on systems they don’t like. That sounds like a top idea doesn’t it?
@rachetmarvel Sony would rather port their exclusive games on PC with no DRM than actually trying to improve the PS ecosystem
They could be focusing so much more on improving PSN, PS Plus and PS Now, making people subscribe more into their ecosystem
I'm not fond of Sony wasting resources to develop for PC even if its limited.
What I dont understand is they are saying PC will be even more competition
On the + side that I like:
'This entails increasing active users and play time, enhancing network services and reinforcing content IP so that consumers select PlayStation as their platform of choice'
@Menchi right... equating ‘not running properly’ with a frame rate of 30 FPS is ridiculous.
So you’re basically saying that you’ll ‘put up’ with 30fps when it suits your needs and you want to play a PS exclusive? You’re happy to turf your snobbery when it’s the only way you can play? Hahaha
And if you are panicking about this, you might just be a fanboy.
As long as there are PS consoles and PS games, does it really matter if those games also get released on other platforms for other gamers?
Having Crysis on consoles is great. Having Minecraft on PS, Switch and PC is great. The whole idea of exclusives is outdated, and that's coming from an "old timer".
@ArcadeHeroes You have no real,proof that sony is struggling financially on funding there exclusive games,if they did sony would have launched this exclusives early on pc,after launch.
And the Nintendo thing,sounds like b.s,Nintendo puts there ip in mobile games,not because they are struggling financially, its because as a company, they know their ip ,will sell very well on mobile and they are right,look at pokemon go.
The true reasons why this is happening, is because of money,simple as that,sony is not really looking to lure PC players,just as Nintendo is not really looking to lure mobile players, yes it does help spread brand awareness, but people in gaming circles, even casuals,know what a ps and Nintendo exclusives are,and how to obtain one.
Sony playstation is one of Sony's important company division,and as a company they are trying to get more money from that division,but to say it is for the purpose of helping financing first party games,then that would be obvious ,since they are going to use the money to better their products, but that does not mean t hff at sony are struggling to finance their first party games.
But with all the money they seem to want to get,they should at least spend some of it on their online gaming services,which means they should make psnow,like gamepass,and they should fix psn,but thankfully now,they have no reason to charge for online play now.
And it is no coincidence that this started when ,sony playstation HQ,became American based.
@Richnj Imagine calling people fanboys on push square,obviously we will never be biased towards the playstation brand,and its ideals.
We do not want Sony to follow the path of Microsoft,yes I now have more pc games to play ,but playstation losing exclusives,is like watching a childhood friend becoming,what it sworn to not become.
@Arnna Like many people, FF7R was the epitome of the game I couldn't wait for. Since that was such a disaster, everything else can happily be waited on.
@Richnj Why do Apple products sell very well despite being expensive? There is a reason why Playstation 4 was so successful this gen and why the Switch did so well too
As someone who use PC for work, this is a very great news, now I dont have to own 2 different hardware, PC can be used for both work and gaming. And I'll use that PS5 money that I've save to upgrade my rig. 😁
I think some of the comments are overreacting here. It doesn't help that the "Don't Panic, But..." headline is naturally going to cause people to panic.
If Sony continues to makes some of their exclusives available on PC years after launch, and sells them for full price when it's going cheap on PlayStation, then I don't think it's going to do much to devalue their brand. Plus it means more people get to enjoy those wonderful games.
@rachetmarvel "playstation losing exclusives,is like watching a childhood friend becoming,what it sworn to not become."
What are you on about mate 😂😂😂
Might go play some Bloodborne after this.
@rachetmarvel as a child I swore not to become my dad, but now I'm older and I've realised I've far more in common with him than I ever thought I did, and quite frankly, I'm happy.
Your ideals can change, and it's not always a bad thing.
People on here are hilarious lool. They're selling games to people who were never gonna buy a PS4/PS5 in the first place. Bringing all the PS4 exclusives to PC will pretty destroy the need for a future PS4 emulator lool, but the losers on here don't think about that... We can already play Last of Us and Uncharted on RPCS3, but if Sony released those games for PC I'll defo buy them.
PS5 will probably end up selling more consoles then PS4. There is never gonna be a day where a 10 year old kid goes up to the parents and say, "I want a PC for my bday/christmas" 😂😂😂
With that said, I love having Horizon, Halo and Persona 4 all on the same machine and also being able to play Switch games at 4k 😂😂 PC is just awesome
@Wake13 yeah, brand recognition and loyalty, and marketing.
Or am I missing it's killer apps, like tinder?
@Arnna Imma wait for the PC port 😏
@rachetmarvel I never said Sony was struggling financially making first party games , I said there is a untapped marketplace and territory for Sony to invest into bringing over their Ips to PC.
There are alot of countries who primarly play on PC. Korea, China , Taiwan ,Russia . Even Japan is slowly moving away from home consoles.
It only makes sense for Sony as a company to reach to as many players as possible .
@rachetmarvel there is exactly zero indication that Sony will use the same strategy as Microsoft. The whole idea is that the PS exclusives MIGHT appear on PC down the track. So far we have HZD which is a very old game and Death Stranding which is roughly a year old. Don’t see Bloodborne or TLOU or Nioh 2 or Uncharted or Days Gone or the multitude of other good/great exclusives.
Maybe it will happen. But by that time anyone who is loyal to PS will have played it anyway so what’s the issue?
Sony gets to try new revenue streams and still get the sales from having high quality exclusives.
Also, being on a PS site does not automatically make one a fanboy. That’s just silly.
@Richnj Wrong as hell, brand recognition and loyalty does nothing and is totally a minority of the whole user based. IPhones sells because of iOS an operating system that exclusive to that one product , Apple is willing to even remove Fortnite from the App Store just because it didn't want to commit to its ecosystem
The software and ecosystem is why people commit to it, Apple knows this to very well and Nintendo too
There is a BIG reason why Pokemon is a system seller for Nintendo Devices, there is no other place you can play it on
Makes sense as long as it it is a few years after the release on Console and they don’t routinely do it for every title.
I think it's a great idea it expands the games to a market where players are not interested in consoles, sure I don't think it would make them want to buy a PS5 to okay a the sequel they'll gladly wait it out since they have done by not buying a console in the first place.
I also find it gives more money to the Devs to make better games in future and to keep that dev open. People all on here think about Sony only when it's the Devs that make the game and need that cash injection, Sony don't need to give more cash (corporate greed) and Devs get extra cash for a new platform so everybody wins and the game they are releasing are years old for god's sake
@wiiware the difference in sales is due to piracy on PC.
Always good to hear about this when it happens.
@Akurusu I agree but I guess it's like Sonic, once an icon of Sega and now everybody gets a slice!
I don't think it's worth it, whoring out their exclusives to the weirdos on PC. I doubt they're gonna make that much extra money so even as a business decision it's not the smartest.
Aloy shouldn't be on any other platform apart from PlayStation. Too late for her now but let's hope Kratos, Ellie and others don't follow.
They can have Bloodborne though, by all accounts a very good game but nobody feels attached to The Hunter. Put him on PC.
@Spyroescape With emulation yes, Piracy is also a factor in that case. I could just download the emulator and pirate their games and play on it. There would be no need for me to buy a Switch then
@Spyroescape Emulation does not count.
How many people will actually cut off their nose to spite their face and not get a PS5 now? I am guessing it is not many and they will recoup any losses from the handful of people who are that petit with PC game sales.
@Arnna What are you talking about? Never said everyone on this site was a ps fanboy,but I can bet on my browser history ,that most people here are fans. You have no proof that Sony are not copying Microsoft strategy,while my proof is that Sony,are following the same pattern as the Xbox.
@rachetmarvel "Emulation does not count."
Of course it does. They are losing possible customers but there obviously an audience that wants to play it on PC. I see Nintendo creating a Steam like store and will start selling their exclusives on PC. Its inevitable.
@Wake13 Fortnite was also removed from android.
And an OS is not a video game. Even if every individual games left PS, its ecosystem and OS would still be exclusive to PS consoles.
Note: this is why MS are trying to turn Xbox in to a multi-hardware platform (similar to Windows) rather than limit themselves to a single hardware platform. That's why you could get Sony laptops with Windows, and why my Sony phone runs android. Attempting to keep the PS ecosystem exclusively to PS consoles will, eventually, be the death of the platform.
Can I also point out that buying a system for its OS is nigh identical to brand recognition and loyalty. You know that OS, you trust that OS, so you stay with that OS.
@ApostateMage Personally I think Last of Us Part II articles are a much better barometer.
Sony doesn't need to port their best exclusives onto PC, they really don't. It's just pure dumb greed and also a very risky strategy.
I'm one of those likely to remain on console but millions more won't especially those with a bit more spare cash. I'll just have to settle for dropping spoilers online for PS games set to launch on PC.
Wow, some strong opinion in here suggesting this move will devalue ps5....I can’t disagree more.
Sony have only permitted horizon zero dawn after 3 and a half years of being an exclusive. So long as they follow this model it will have zero impact on consoles as any serious gamer is likely to want to play the latest titles a lot sooner than that.
Instead allowing pc gamers to dip there toe in the ‘older’ catalogue will only increase their interest in the latest ps exclusive stuff and encourage PS4/5 sales
@Spyroescape Yep, weirdos. Just read the comments of PC players on here shudder. I wouldn't leave these players alone with small children or animals, no siree, not even for a microsecond.
Yeah but you're gonna have to wait a while and in the meantime I'm going to drop plenty of spoilers. Sony games are very story-driven so maybe you'll be okay but I'm sure to upset someone.
@Col_McCafferty relax col...try to dial down your spitefulness.
I have no problem with this if done intelligently, particularly for older titles. A few reasons:
1. DIGITAL ARCHIVING. 15 years from now will Sony still be supporting the PS4 store? Will some games be hard or impossible to play? PC makes this far more likely.
2. FINANCE - It’s business at the end of day, more sales and profit ultimately also means a potentially larger budget for a sequel or for other PlayStation games.
3. CHANCE TO INCREASE PLATFORM SALES - Most gamers have more than one system, whether that’s PS4 and Switch, PC and PS4, etc. If you can sell someone on an IP e.g. Horizon: ZD there’s a chance their second system may be Playstation. You are never likely to convince an ONLY PC player to do this so don’t worry about bringing them in just let them play.
4. FOR THE PLAYERS - Games should be played, and enjoyed by the largest spectrum of society as possible.
5. DEVELOPERS & ART - The developers deserve their brilliant games and artistry to be played and praised as widely as possible.
6. FANBOYISM IS CHILDISH - It’s the worst thing about this hobby. Anything to push back on this toxic culture, I’m in.
@pimpjuice what your missing is that times are changing and companies have to adapt to what's happing!
Plus they are "exploring growth in the PC Market" what people don't understand is that Sony is trying to get friends in the market like what they did with Predator : Hunting Grounds it was a partnership with Epic Games to have the Game on the Epic game store and PC.
@Arnna Yup. Guaranteed method to improve their life.
@Johnstonian2003 I'm not being entirely serious mate. I don't like this though, for me Sony make the best games because they're meant to be exclusive. The idea is to make a PS an essential purchase for anyone that cares about sp games. Sure there are some great ones out there that are also available in many platforms (RDR2, The Witcher 3) BUT you can play those on PS4 as well as God of War, Last of Us, Uncharted and HZD. The latter game is of course now on PC but it really shouldn't be.
Exclusives don't bother me, I like them.in fact as I think we get better games out of it. When developers become lazy and complacent, sure they can put out any old rubbish and it will still sell, then that leads to bad games.
Exclusives create competition. Look at Xbox and their acquisition of so many studios in recent years. They did this to try and counter the exclusives on PS. It may take a few years but who knows, maybe in 5 years time Xbox will be producing the best sp titles in the business.
I'm still likely to end up buying a PS5 but I also think Sony are losing something, something better than money, if they're going to be releasing all of their first party titles on PC.
@themightyant They should pin your comment.
I especially agree with the digital archiving. Like I want to play Lost Odyssey but I can't cause I would need to go out and buy an Xbox 360. It just makes sense to move old games on PC. Games like Last of Us ad Uncharted 1-3 came out on the PS3!!!! Uncharted 1 came out like 13 years ago, whats the problem?
Looks more worthwhile to get a pc at this point, you can have all your games on one platform! Xbox, PS4 and PC games, then all you need is a Nintendo switch and boom, you're donezo!
Xbox have no exclusive games, they're all on PC too. Therefore there's no reason to buy an XBox if you own a decent PC.
If Sony follows suit then well, why wouldn't everyone play on PC?
I guess before long only Nintendo will be selling home consoles.
Surely it has to be Dreams.
@rachetmarvel you have a funny definition of proof.
I don’t have to prove a negative - you’re the one making hyperbolic and alarmist statements about Sony’s strategy when there is no evidence.
I think it's OK If they come on PC 2/3 years after the console version imo.
@Spyroescape Lost Odyssey is a brilliant game. I’m actually amazed other games haven’t used the synesthesia, combination of text and music, mechanic they had for the side stories.
@KingSimba Dreams on PC would benefit the PlayStation community enormously and bring in a much larger wave of creators.
Even if they port old exclusive on pc
It will kill Customers trust in long term
This is why Microsoft is failing right now.
We should all go for sony and thier mangers like hermen hulst and yoshida and @mdmccaine (ps brand manger)
And pressure them to stop this nonsense
Own PS4. This is a great move. I couldn't give a ***** how many games Sony releases on PC, because if the console isn't interesting enough exclusives aside then that's telling in itself. The Switch is interesting in concept even when you take exclusives out of the equation. If you're upset, you're upset solely because you want your investment to feel valuable and justified and that's quite a childish reason to not want other people to share your fun.
Also Dreams NEEDS to come to PC otherwise it will die.
@themightyant Wow,your comment actually made sense,I did not even think about the archiving thing.
I always wanted to play lost oddesy, but its exclusivity hurt it and my chance of playing it,now it is long forgotten on a platform,that did not have a playerbase which enjoyed that genre of games.
Thanks for the enlightenment, by any chance are you the avatar of gaming or some thing?
@TheDavyStar Couldn't agree more about Dreams. Here's hoping they port it, since it's not getting much attention at the moment.
@AyanamiReign "If Sony follows suit then well, why wouldn't everyone play on PC?"
I can only speak for myself as a PS gamer who also owns a PC that can play all new games (though not at max).
I like the ease that consoles provide. I can insert a game and start playing it (yes, even without the update). With PC, I keep coming across issues. Sometimes, the video is blurry. Others the audio is not working. Sometimes I need to update a certain card. In some of the worst cases, I only get a black screen and the game refuses to load. The last thing I want to do when I have some time to game is to look up solutions to problems.
I've had no such issues with consoles. Plus, I like trophies and have a huge ps4 backlog (200+ games I'd actually like to play at some point) many of which I wouldn't be able to play on PC or would have to buy again.
@Spyroescape in fairness, lost odyssey is BC on xbox one and presumably, the xbox series.
Though I'm still working through a PS3 backlog so I can retire the console. I'm not so worried about 360, xbox one, and PS4 games right now as I can bring them forward.
It depends on how you understand it too.
'To promote further growth ..' is only the last sentence in a long part describing how they intend to 'promote a smooth transition to PS5' and push 'consumers to select PlayStation as their platform of choice'
@Arnna some low-res textures, and ruined battle system...
@starbuck2212 Like I said, it's not much compared to billions sony makes on their ecosystem, that million from selling games it's pittance. Even valve, the biggest digital pc gaming store nearly stop making games and focus on improving steam, they know selling others people games is more profitable than selling their own games.
@starbuck2212 Yup, piracy and pc gamers waiting for deep discount. Or both, play the game using piracy while waiting the game to be discounted to $5.
@avenovah I won't buy a PS5 regardless as a high-end PC owner. I suspect things will be different for people who don't have a PC powerful enough to run new games, or people who are wealthy enough to just buy everything. Sony may as well get the odd $50 from me down the line - I'm not about to spend another $500 on hardware for a handful of exclusives.
Also people seem to forget Sony was still developing PC games at the beginning of the PS4 era, the first couple years.
believe it when I see it again. I think Horizon Zero Dawn got them more flak than they thought it would.
@turntSNACO Sony has a huge fanbase already.
Ports to pc 4 years after a ps4 or 5 release doesn't bother me in the slightest.
Actually even if they release em simultaneous I really don't care.
My enjoyment of a game is not influenced by that in the slightest.
Nah yall are completely wrong in yalls assessment. The PS5 is the first gen im honestly hesitating buying because of this. I rarely have the money to buy every exclusive at launch, so to me it just starts making more sense at this point to just wait for this to release on PC and play them there.
Wow, this blew up quick.
Look, Sony moving older games to the PC makes some sense. They're already developing for PC's essentially, so moving the work across to a new market to make money out of it makes sense. What's the problem if Sony exclusives come to PC 3 to 4 years down the line? I get it to some extent, but as someone who is platform agnostic I think more people getting to play Sony's games is a good thing.
There's also a staff development aspect of all this as well, the PC will always be the cutting edge of technology, and you want your developers cutting their teeth on that sort of technology so teams remain sharp and able to progress. Especially when new generations come round, this as a process will help SIE Studios maintain relevant skill levels, and might enable PS5 upgrades to older games to be funded. There's lots of ways this could go, but it's not necessarily all bad.
@Lobbo95 I never boycotted any PS exclusive. I just had opinions that went against what everyone else thought. I didn’t like the last of us part 2 as much as the first one & I think God of War could’ve been much better because it seemed like the average action-adventure.
I don't really care if it's just PS4 games.
As someone who currently owns a Nintendo Switch, PlayStation 4 and Xbox One X, I think it's great that Sony will plan to put more of their first party titles on PC as more people will get to experience some great games. Personally for me it doesn't matter what platform or how many platforms a game is on. As long as the game is good that is all that should matter. I also don't think that this will cut the value of their platform. People who are still looking to buy a PS5 will still buy the PS5 regardless of whether or not exclusives are also going to be available on PC. It's the same with the Xbox Series X as people will still go out and buy the console even if the games are also available on the PC. It's a smart business move by both Sony and Microsoft and when you consider the size of the install base on the PC, no matter how many consoles and games are sold by both Sony and Microsoft, the figures will never match that of the PC.
At the end of the day it's a win for gamers. Plarform exclusivity doesn't benefit anyone. I also don't understand how people think that a game going multiplatform is bad for them. The tribalism around brand loyalty is ridiculous especially amongst the fanboys. People shouldn't get angry that someone else gets to play the same games that you like on hardware you don't own in order to play the games that you like.
I have no doubt this will annoy those in the Sony Fanboy kingdom. It will be interesting to see their reactions especially since they have been bashing Microsoft who have been making their games available on both the Xbox and PC for quite some time now.
I think their reaction will be similar to the script below:
Sony Fanboys - Xbox Fanboys should be mad that Microsoft is putting Xbox exclusives onto PC. It's so stupid and is such a dumb decision and makes owning an Xbox completely pointless.
Sony - Dear Sony Fanboys, we think that what Microsoft is doing by making their exclusives available on both the Xbox and PC is a great idea. So we are going to copy do them by doing the same!
Sony Fanboys - Go into full blown meltdown as the world is now coming to an end. Cancel your orders for the PS5!
@nessisonett Well said!
@rachetmarvel Haha Busted! Yes I’m here to unite the 4 warring (console) nations 😂
Lost Odyssey a JRPG that came out on a typically non-JRPG console meant it got missed by many potential fans. Thankfully consoles are doing better on this and it is backwards compatible ok Xbox one and series X. Many games, particularly niche titles like this, aren’t so lucky, it would have been great if other non Xbox players were able to play it after several years.
(BTW I’m not advocating for NO exclusives just timed.)
@Areus If you read down to post #10 @Ralizah answered this question in a round about way: "And Yet Why Isn't Nintendo Trying This If There Is So Much Money To Be Made?"
If you own a Switch, or even if you don't, you'll find that Switch games stay at MSRP for years. Zelda BotW2, a launch game 3 1/2 years ago, is still $60, and the DLC is still $20, there is no "Complete" edition. Super Mario Odyssey, 3 years old, is still $60. A piece of shovelware launch title that should have been packed in for free, 1 2 Switch,. just wen ton sale last week from $60 to $45. SSBU is a couple of years old now. Still $60. W/ a $25 season pass and another $30 season pass. And additional microtransaction DLC. Plus a few dozen $15 amiibo. Nintendo could probably give away SSBU and make the money back on amiibo. But it cost $115 now to get the whole game, no discounts to be found.
Compare that to a game like God of War which released in the early part of the year and was $30 by Black Friday. Probably has been on sale for $20 since then, probably even $15. Same for Spiderman. By the time those games release on PC in a few years they are $5 on PS4. HZD has a complete edition, which includes the $15 DLC, that has been $15.
So that's why Nintneod doesn't put it's games on PC, they leep selling them at fuill MSRP for 3 or 4 years, whereas Sony games are 1/3 the price in a year. More like 1/4 for complete editions of games w/ DLC.
Nintendo launched the Switch 3 1/2 years ago at $299, and it's still $299. Lite is $199 but it's probably only really worth $150 with all you give up. Nintnedo probably won't have a Black Friday sale this year either. Maybe $30 eShop credit in the box. PS4 had a price drop nearly every year, except PS4 Pro which Sony really treated as a specialty item.
Nintendo never drops prices on anything, Sony price drops occur from day 2 and continue until they are practically giving stuff away for free in PS+. That's why.
@Col_McCafferty I have no problem whatsoever with third party exclusive games going to PC, but characters that fans have always associated with only PlayStation & them potentially going to PC is just a sellout move by Sony.
I've said before that I don't think it's best for Sony to be doing this but I'm not going to lose sleep over it cos too much has happened to me and many others this year that it doesn't really matter all that much.
@pimpjuice didn't you read their corporate report? one word for you "profitability"
let me get this straight, the people who work at PlayStation, ya know the ones responsible for studying the market and making the marketing plans and have been with Sony for like 30 years have made a bad move by bringing exclusives to a wide profitable platform but you the Sony fanboy are right because you just don't wanna see your precious games on other platforms. even though you have no marketing knowledge or degree and you don't know anything about how Sony operates and their inner strategies that they never share with anyone.
@AJDarkstar using SSD for many years I have never had "pretty lengthy load times" on my pc. and Sony never mentioned ps4 in the report. they're talking about ps5 games too. in the near future Sony and Xbox will both release their games on PC as a new way of competition about who dominates this platform. Sony is done with xbox taking all that pc money. and it's billions of dollars
So many people here are completely out of touch with the rest of the world.
Why do so many take for granted that everyone plays and cares about games as much as we do? We are a very small minority in a world where people choose what console to buy based on the controller, or the brand color, or what their friends play on, and then proceed to buy 2-3 multiplatform games a year, and that's it.
Do you really think this is gonna impact PS5 sales? Think again.
@clvr You make too much sense for this place!
@pimpjuice obviously they do if you are not supporting the game in the numbers they would like to see or they wouldn't be porting the games over then again its a corporation what am I thinking they just want the money they don't care about you or me only about our wallets knew this would happen eventually though and just like microsoft they will grow impatient waiting for the money and eventually start day and date releases down the road its the beginning of the end my friend good luck to you
@Areus because nintendo is all about innovating with things like the wii and wii u they have never been about multi platform games or third party titles they make quirky hardware that gives you a novel experience of their first party IPs and oh yeah they are doing it too just on mobile for now
@Ah-Void it will happen eventually right now they are trying to acquire a share in epic because they have experience on the PC platform or maybe they want to commission a storefront of their own like EGS or Steam and make their own launcher so they don't have to share the money with anyone else but it has begun only a matter of time now you were all warned when HZD became a steam global top seller they make money so now they will move forward and it doesn't devalue the console the exclusives still won't be available on the competitors platform
@Akurusu you are not allowed to demand to others how to spend their money why would I buy a console when I have a 3000$ gaming PC that can stomp any console on the market should I water down my experience for your precious box? no if they want my money they will bring the games to my platform or they just won't get it
@3Above does anyone call you an elitist for buying the more powerful console? why is it you call us elitists when we spend money for the best performance we can get? if you spent 2000+$ on a gaming PC to get the best framerates and graphics possible would you be happy if someone told you want the game buy our box?
I feel like a lot of people are not aware of this but this isn't the first time major Playstation exclusives eventually were ported to PC sometime later. Just looking at the PS1 we had FF7, Metal Gear Solid, Soul Reaver (a personal favorite of mine if you cant tell from my pic lol) Resident Evil, and several others i can't remember right now without a google search. Despite all this the PS1 still sold over a 100 million units. My point is this isn't really anything new for them as they did this from pretty much day one. Just saying.
@art_of_the_kill nobody owns the PC platform MS or Sony can take advantage of it if they wish to and its still not on the competitors platform and its basically free money towards another sequel of the game how is this bad? the people who want a console are not gonna go out and buy or build a PC they are still gonna get the console and the PS5 will still be the only console it is available on correct?
@Nepp67 depends on what you mean by worthless if exclusivity was your only buying point you might want to rethink why you game in the first place but I am a PC gamer I will never buy a console this is the only way they will get my money but unlike me others will never game on a PC they want a console and this is the only platform besides the PC to play that game how is it worthless exactly?
@Makina you seem to think that the PC is a competing platforms to consoles you are wrong the PC is its own ecosystem and independent market that anyone can take advantage of and its still not going to microsoft xbox so not sure why you are in your feelings about this
@glassmusic yeah that may be the case right now it started this way with microsoft too but eventually executives will get tired of waiting for the PC profits and buy a team with more PC experience to port the games sooner it only the beginning history is repeating itself again
@hoffa007 no you should buy a console because you want one not because they lock off the IP behind exclusivity if that is why you game on a console not sure why you would but its very anti consumer did any PC gamer complain when the Witcher 3 was announced for consoles? ...no they didn't so stop complaining its more money and you will get more games for it
@Wake13 most PC players don't pirate games and even the ones that do use it as a demo and eventually buy the game plus if you only play on a console for exclusives that is just a pissing contest you are not a gamer you are just selfish
@SilkySmile89 no its not enough I don't want to stream games I have powerful hardware I want to play my games through that hardware that is why I bought it not to stream games on PS now if they allowed downloads on PS now I wouldn't mind but they don't on the PC anyway
They already are all on pc.
@B_Lindz except that years later thing might be the case not but that is because they have no teams that specialize in PC ports like MS does yet but as soon as they do just mark my words they will not want to wait for that money when they have the resources needed to port the game right away and it started this way with microsoft too its the beginning of the end my friend
@Artelous then be ready it started this way with microsoft too but in the end it came to day and date releases they want the money they don't care about your loyalty to them
@Juanalf because the PC is not a competing platform the the playstation but xbox is maybe think about what you say before you say it next time because your statement was just absurd
@naruball ahahahah thanks 😄
@WallyWest I am a PC gamer not an elitist if you want to play on consoles and that is your preference then that is fine
@avenovah you are correct I will it saves me 500 to 600$ that is a new graphics card why bother?
@Rhaoulos I game on an Nvidia BFGD its not a small screen you have options on the PC but you choose to ignore them and yes they cost more the better something is usually the higher the price you pay for them
@Arnna you don't seem to understand I saw you say the same thing about HZD on PC but that was just a test to the water but now they are all in seems like and years down the line may be the case now as was with microsoft for a while but it will not stay that way once the console has reached its apex about 2 to 3 years down the line and they aren't promoting new hardware will it?
@Arnna agian years down the line for now just wait though this is only the beginning
@rachetmarvel its not that deep man just play your games where you want to and stop worrying about corporations they are not your friends they just want the money
@Wake13 yeah and if they made it available on more platforms it would still make more money and you can't dispute that
@Nakatomi_Uk I am a dev myself man thanks for sticking up for us and not bowing to a brand
How many console players played a 3-year-old Horizon: Zero Dawn port on PC and have decided to change to PC? I mean, this is a non-issue. The games are old as hell when they move to PC so if you’re of the ilk who say you’ll just wait for it on PC just know you’ll get the game years later when it’s an afterthought.
@Arnna the evidence is what they are doing now and its confirmed they said this is what they are gonna do
@Classic_console and why would they listen to a bunch of nameless faceless nobodies on the internet?
@JJ2 and they bought a share in epic games on the PC wouldn't that make that platform theirs also?
@GKO900 Nintendo putting their games on PC is never happening lol
They won't do anything that involves supporting rival hardware despite PC gaming's neutral audience. They even gave the publishing rights to TW101 back to Platinum since they didn't want to publish the remaster on PS4 and PC like they did for the Wii U version
@Akurusu they don't care about your opinion they just want the money and if people move to PC then they will have more reason to release there if people stop buying the console
Bloodborne and Marvel's Spider-Man are easily on the top of my list for PlayStation PC ports
I'd kill to have those games at unlocked framerates with mod support, especially Spider-Man
Also seriously wondering where Nioh 2 is considering the first one came to PC to begin with. Same with the Yakuza 4 & 5 remasters in addition to Song of Life
@Areus They are big in the MT mobile market.
@TheFrenchiestFry My problem is the
first party games with original characters being ported.
Oh that's a good point. I think their investment/partnership with Epic goes way beyond just gaming though.
I say everyone boycott the PS5 and get a PC to play those PS4 games. That way I may have more chance to get my PS5 🤷♂️
I don't know why anyone is so upset about this. Do most PS owners really dislike their PS so much they would not own one if they could play on PC? Of course not! People like their consoles and play games on them because they can not because they have to!
@SeverinMadara Maybe so, but that may not be a bad thing. There will come a day when consoles as we know them will become obsolete. It's inevitable. When consoles were first created and then evolved over the years, PCs were astronomically more expensive, especially if you wanted it to play games that consoles could. The price gap between PCs and consoles is narrowing more and more. There will come a day when it will be financially irresponsible of Sony to continue making consoles, but that doesn't mean in any way that they would stop making games. On the contrary, I think that they would end up making even more games because they won't need to allocate of their funds to console projection. I think consoles, however, still have quite a bit of longevity. I think we'll see the PS6, possibly even a PS7. Consoles have a 5 to 7 year life cycle, so that's about 15 to 20 years from now. Sony isn't trying to invalidate console user purchases, they're future-proofing the company.
Unacceptable!! This would completely invalidate my PS4 purchases and make the hours of enjoyment I've had playing exclusives 100% worthless. This makes me want to never buy a PS5 and throw my ps4s in the garbage. Shameful, BOYCOTT SONY!!!
@JJ2 if you say so man good luck to you
@redd214 @redd214 chill out bro you are just being a drama queen right now
@redd214 and if you are being sarcastic then good job you got me
@SeverinMadara haha yes! Definitely kidding my friend. Thought it may have been obvious but was just recreating legit reactions I've seen to this news. PS exclusives going to PC don't bother me in the least!
Honestly, I think people need to accept that there are more genuine reasons to be against this that go well beyond simple fanboyism or not wanting these games to be experienced by a wider audience. So, here's three:
1. PlayStation fans will ultimately end up with the inferior versions of Sony's own games. That's simply the long and the short of it. The PC version of any game will pretty much be superior just for mod support alone, nevermind how they'll run at higher resolutions and framerates.
2. This doesn't benefit the existing PS userbase. So Sony gets more money out of this deal. Whoop-dee-doo for them. What do we get? For MS, that answer is that Xbox users get to also play their games on PC, but Sony isn't adopting MS's Play Anywhere system (and probably couldn't if they wanted to). So PS users instead get nothing, except perhaps the privilege of feeling like a chump when a game that they believed would remain exclusive forever gets a PC version, which they may feel will render their entire purchase of a PS console meaningless.
3. The undermining of labels such as "Only on PlayStation" and "PlayStation Exclusive." Detroit: Become Human and HZD already got the ball rolling on this, but that "Only on PlayStation" labeling that adorns all Sony-published games (and has been utilized three times this year alone for Dreams, TLoU 2, and GoT) pretty much means less than nothing now. This is most likely why Sony is doing away with it for next gen, but the trailers for upcoming PS5 games instead use "PlayStation Exclusive" which probably also won't be a labeling that ages particularly well in some cases. A little more honesty from Sony would be nice. For Death Stranding we knew almost up front that it would get a PC release later down the line. That's pretty much how it should be for any exclusive that Sony thinks there's even a chance of getting a PC port later on.
@art_of_the_kill literally nothing you just said matters if you only buy consoles for exclusive games and you know they are coming to PC instead of complaining why not just get a PC or enjoy them on your console? because yeah it is a fanboy mentality if you are angry more people get to play a game because they didn't buy your box to play it on its none of your business where others choose to buy or play sonys games
and everyone here talking about devaluing the brand something you may want to consider is the PC platform is not in competition with the console market it is its own independent ecosystem and Sony wants to fold PC into its ecosystem and expand the market you say you don't benefit, so sony won't get more money for sequels of the games you claim to love so much?
@Tharsman Any elitist for a particular console brand is bound to act super insecure whenever a major exclusive of their chosen platform goes over to another one, no matter how long it takes
People were legit sending death threats to Herman Hulst when HZD for PC got announced and some of them legit wanted Atlus to be bought out by SIE so Persona would remain PlayStation exclusive lol
I feel like a lot of people have to remember that PC is a way more neutral platform that doesn't really tend to compete with any one console or brand considering the massive install base it already has. Hell, PlayStation console exclusives being ported to PC isn't even technically a new thing. It happened with SFV, Guilty Gear Xrd/REV Nioh, Detroit, and Yakuza 0/Kiwami 1 & 2 even before some of them went over to Xbox
@Steel76 Really? You can connect a pc to a TV? You must be a tech wizard to know about this. I still enjoy the simplicity of waking my PS4 and resuming my game within 20 seconds. And my pc stays on my desk in my office for games that are better with keyboard and mouse (or left hand pad and mouse).
$600 for a "gaming pc". You won't be playing any recent games in decent quality after 2 years and might as well rely on a proper console that guaranteed to last longer.
As you can see, discussions about console or PC are sterile. I personally play on Switch, PS4 and used to play a lot on pc, but not that much these pase few years. We all have our reasons and trying to use a pc like a console (safe for nostalgic emulation, but a RPi works just as well) is like becoming vegan and trying to eat like a normal human being: it makes no sense unless you call it a religion.
Oh and thanks for letting me know it's not the 90s anymore I didn't even know we had entered a new millennium and I thought I was still a teen. Silly me.
Great news for gamers, bad news for people who buy consoles for the exclusives
Most the ppl on here wont be able to afford a ps5 let alone a PC to be able to run the games lool y'all need to pipe down
I'm very happy about this. I'm not buying another Sony or MS console, so I'm happy to not miss out.
Lol. Stop crying over plastic and embrace the fact you'll be able to play PlayStation exclusives on pc if it's got the specs for Ps5 games (I can't afford either lol).
Personally, I think this is a healthy thing. I mean, it’s not like Sony will release anything on PC day one. More people playing PS games will only strengthen Sony’s incredible IP’s
@SeverinMadara Microsoft never had any exclusives to Xbox at all (okay, 1 or 2), so not sure about the "comparison".
@TheFrenchiestFry Never say never, remember that Nintendo is the same company that didn’t believe in DLC, mobile gaming and Micro transactions and look at them now
y'all say that consoles are cheap and perform well so that should be an enough reason for you to buy a console since you don't wanna spend a lot of money on a decent gaming pc. ps5 will sell pretty good even if sony brings all exclusives to pc. cause no matter how angry you get you can't sell your console and build a 1500$ to 2500$ pc. you're better off with the 399$ ps5
@Artelous xbox had exclusives before they started releasing on the PC and some of the older titles are not on PC yet viva pinata and rare replay etc..., need more examples?
I don't see a problem with it. The more money Sony makes from game sales, the more money they can put back into making new games. It's not like someone playing the same game as me on a PC is going to affect my enjoyment of the game.
As a PlayStation fan myself I was at first saying this is a bad idea . But then I thought more about it. I'm always going to buy a PlayStation as my main place to play and so will millions of others. Plus there's no lost in exclusive content. Sony first party studios still make these great games. I could never get used to playing with mouse and keyboard lol . Sony is just taking on another market for cash and flip side more people can enjoy games from the PlayStation master race lol .
Plus I believe the reason Xbox isn't doing so well with their games is due to not balancing Xbox and PC . But MS makes windows so not really a big deal on that part. PC seems to be the best place to play with Xbox games because Live is free (I heard) and you can get games cheaper plus mod them. Most Pc games are coming to PSN store too. MS to me are messing up with Xbox. There's no point in buying it to me. -
If I need to wait 4 years like ZeroDawn not much of a temptation. That is the same as waiting for AAA 3rd parties on Switch. I never wait.
Waiting till 2023 or 2024 to play TLOU2 or Ghost of Tsushima was never an option 🙄
Also, the money I save on Renting AAA games On Consoles would Play a role. I have to pay for everything on PC.
@pimpjuice They want to release older games on PC in hopes that they'll lure new customers to buy a PlayStation. (e.g. Horizon on PC so they like it and buy a PS5 to play Horizon 2)
Did half the commenters here even read the article? It basically says more Sony exclusives MIGHT appear on PC. This will obviously be done well after the initial sales window so Sony can retain the customers buying their console for the exclusives. Sony’s strategy (a winning strategy historically) remains promoting a games console with top class exclusive games.
Microsoft on the other hand has far less essential exclusives in the current generation and are going for an “everyone can play our the games in our eco system” strategy.
This means games launching on PC as well as XBOX.
There is no indication or logical reason why Sony’s PC strategy would match Microsoft’s.
Sony would be losing the main reason people buy there consoles if they did this.
This is why they are releasing PC versions LONG AFTER they appear on PS4. They can double dip a bit this way - which in business terms is logical.
Seriously... is this that hard to fathom?
@SeverinMadara makes no sense. Why would they do that? They’d be shooting down the main reason they thumped MS this generation. This isn’t a slippery slope situation. It’s just not.
@Wormold I read somewhere there will be a PS6
@TVRFLY You're correct there is no point in buying an XBOX, if you have a PC that can handle XBOX Series X games. However MS is still making A LOT of money off of that. XBOX PC games don't work on Linux or Mac OS. So you will need a Windows license (income for MS), you still need to buy either GamePass PC or the games on the XBOX store (Windows) or Steam.
However if you don't have a PC that can handle XSX games, you either need to stream xCloud or buy an XSX.
On a different note, I do wonder when Sony will start releasing certain games on the Nintendo Switch.
Microsoft's take on gaming is more like gaming as a platform than just a physical device or game. Microsoft gaming = XBOX.
Sony's take on it is still trying to sell hardware (at a loss) and trying to get people to buy a lot of games (to make up for that loss on hardware).
Nintendo is selling hardware at a profit and has a focus on playing everywhere and with anyone. (Switch)
No. If you read the full report (which almost nobody does here) you realise Sony is pushing for exclusive content on PS5.
It could be the last PS console though.
'aim to make the PS5 a truly next-generation console by providing game experiences that were not possible before. Games for the PS5 that deliver this new gaming experience are being made by 1st, 2nd and 3rd party developers, and we plan to introduce a compelling line-up of titles to our users.'
There are a lot of ppl in here oddly dying on the "Sony will go under if they sell exclusives on PC" hill. Software is the money maker for Sony. Selling that software to more ppl will allow them to continue making these awesome AAA games they are so well known for. The whole "There's no reason to buy a PS console" argument doesn't make sense when its cheaper and more convenient to just buy a console rather than build or purchase a PC. The more games Sony sells the better for us. You guys need to chill.
We're most likely talking about a wait of years between PS launch and a PC port.
Realistically, the amount of hardcore fans who will stop playing on PS over this is so small, and the gains to be made from porting a game to PC that has more or less reached it's sales potential on PS isn't something a company can ignore.
It's like a second launch window with another injection of cash.
And the casual demographic tend to stick with consoles regardless, most of them jump in a few years after launch when the price comes down.
If you're feeling disillusioned or let down by this maybe it's the wake up call you need. Like I keep saying, these companies don't know you. They offer you a product, and you buy it or you don't.
But if someone could answer this for me, and I ask this without any condescension or sarcasm - If this news vexes you, and you don't currently play on PC, what will you do? Move to PC? Move to Nintendo?
Personally I'll always buy a PlayStation for WWS games, and a Nintendo for Zelda and Mario Kart.
I work on PC all day, so I don't want to play there, and can't afford a rig that will last me 7 years.
@SeverinMadara You're a bit of an arrogant git aren't you!
Typical of the so-called PCMR. This is part of the reason why I don't want to see Sony made games going to PC, they're wasted on the likes of you.
Stick to dumb online shooters, strategy games and modding the hell out of games featuring young female characters.
Seriously though, spend your precious money however you want. I'm sure Sony will survive without you giving them a single penny.
Maybe I'll go back to Xbox. I'd miss not playing Horizon Forbidden West but it will probably end up on Xbox within 5-10 years of release anyway!
They might as well release it on another console, same goes for all their so-called exclusives. Make even more money which is obviously all they care about.
@Col_McCafferty "Maybe I'll go back to Xbox"
Yh, go back to Xbox 😂😂😂😂
@clvr And that's the legit truth. Whether you support this or hate it, those of us who are enthusiastic enough to post about it in comments sections on these sites are in the minority.
Why you guys mad? Do you get more entertainment out of the game knowing its only available for you?
This was an inevitable move, Sony is a publicly owned business, it has to provide value to its share holders, so it has to make profit and increase that profit and reduce costs. So targeting PC like Microsoft does to make more profit was inevitable.
I’d even go as far to claim they will end up launching their exclusives day and date on both the PlayStation and PC like Microsoft does because Microsoft also stated launching Xbox games on PC just like how Sony are now. But that might be a few years off. So the PlayStation will lose its exclusivity, it’s a new company under new leadership and new management, so expect new things from them including ones you don’t like.
A reality check for you lot who don’t like this fact, it’s a business, so is Microsoft and it is very true they don’t care if you buy the Series X, they just want you on Game Pass, why? Simple they have facts that show a 20% or more increases gameplay time from Game Pass users AND an increase of a games sales numbers increasing when it’s been on Game Pass, they are making money from software sales and that is the entire point of Game Pass and so far it’s working, so you can expect Sony to copy the idea too at some point, and cloud gaming, they want you buying software.. over 10 million Game Pass subscribers in next to no time, you can be certain Sony will want some of that money.
At the end of the day it keeps these businesses in business and making games for you, so don’t complain, you should actively support it as it’s how capitalism works.
I have zero issue with it, won't stop me buying a PS5 if Horizon Forbidden West is on PC at day one as well
@Col_McCafferty yes I am sure that is why they are releasing them on my platform and making you butthurt
@Arnna I am beginning to wonder with you people why does a corporation do anything? Since you don't seem to know I shall enlighten you it's MONEY!!!
@Kopite if you think that will happen this article has misled you it is a hit piece & worked a treat
@David187 I don't think it will be a day and date at launch but if it was going to be that way it wouldn't make me give up on console gaming
@Shepherd_Tallon I know right? It seems like such a basic concept, I hoped more people would get it.
Instead it's all sour grapes in here lol
Sony needs to tread carefully with first party games on PC. Playstation fans won't be too happy with homegrown exclusives being on another platform. Exclusives is the reason I'am a PS fan. Nintendo is very strict with exclusives and Sony needs to keep it that way.
i don't understand why anyone is upset about this. i'll let you in on a little secret: if they could, Sony would put their games on the Xbox too. they would sell them to Switch owners, too. the PC market is still the largest segment of gamers in the world, and Microsoft is already perfectly fine with selling games to people wherever they are. Sony has always been a little more cautious, and is dipping their toe in as well. Nintendo will do the same, but much later, once they're CERTAIN there's a market there. the "You have to buy a $500 box to play our games" market is going to start shrinking more and more over the next few years. as long as we have great games to play, do you REALLY care?
If this keeps up, I see no need for buying a PS5, might as well buy a computer, and get all my Xbox, PlayStation and PC games there with even better graphics. Most people I know play on PC anyway, and games are cheaper.
@Ken_Masters you should never trust the head of any corporation when money is involved
Well as a PlayStation owner I really got put off by Guerrilla Games, game going to PC :-/ So if more PS Exclusives go to PC then I might as well just buy a PC then. And I am saying that from someone who has PlayStation in his BLOOD!!!
@Ken_Masters corporations don't have principals either
What an incredibly stupid idea. Sony nees to think very, very carefully about this. PlayStation will be dead within a generation.
So far, all the exclusives going out, have been long since beaten to a pulp and consumed many times over by the Playstation community, i don't see the problem with throwing some people a bone....
@Beasley2K that is like saying console gaming is the only way to play but that just isn't true
@Grindagger except they aren't throwing us a bone we have to pay for these games and much more than you do on PlayStation at that
@SeverinMadara Better than nothing. Be thankful you got exclusives from a console platform at all. It's those IP's that literally define a console success.
@Grindagger I don't care about that and obviously Sony doesn't either or they wouldn't be porting the games the PC platform is not a console competitor they can take advantage of it if they choose to
@SeverinMadara Believe me, Sony cares. PC may not be a direct console competitor, but it's tied in with Xbox as they're under the same company, furthermore if the exclusives weren't coming to PS4, then there would be a lot less reason to get a PS4 than say a PC. The exclusive IPs literally allow Sony to keep ahead on their sales, by enticing customers to their console by means of exclusives. People are a lot more inclined to purchase a console if there are top tier games on it that can't be played elsewhere.
The difference here (at least at this point in time) is the exclusives being ported are literally years old, and their IP have been all but consumed, and sales have likely dried up to the point that anyone on PS4 that wanted to play those games, has played them by now. Hell, Horizon Zero Dawn must of been through about 30+ sales since it's release on PS4, hence my earlier comment about throwing a dog a bone.
An expensive bone it may be, but it is a bone nonetheless.
@Grindagger and let's just see after a few years down the road after launch of the ps5 is old news if they care so much about hardware
While I'm not against Sony porting the odd title to the PC, I am a little concerned that the development time in doing so will mean longer delays in first party games coming from studios.
When most AAA Sony titles have a 5 year development cycle, will that then extend, as a the teams take a year out to do the PC port?
Sony already made millions from HZD. Surely they are smart enough to release exclusives on PC years after their initial launch.
@JustNeepz no because they have been outsourcing the ports and not doing them in house anyway so why would it cut into development time?
At this point it's risky to trust anyone in the games industry
@Ken_Masters I don't necessarily think more games going to PC matter people who want a console will still buy the console anyway
@Ken_Masters yeah except that is wishful thinking if they want the PC players to invest they aren't interested in console hardware they want to play on their PC its a big investment for them and not remaining in the market and only showing up when an exclusive they want shows up doesn't help with revenue flow they aren't contributing much because they don't remain in the market so rather than trying to convince them to join their market, why not expand it? They are interested in the games not the hardware from most I know myself and other friends I have a couple who will pick up the console but solely for exclusive games its not a viable business strategy since the consoles sell at a loss if they charged full price it wouldn't matter as much but they don't do that
@pimpjuice They can never have too much money, imagine sitting on millions with no little work
@Akurusu Ur so salty lol, chill out
@wiiware They did so little work and sold another 500,000 copies like come on, ***** came out 4 years ago.
@Akurusu Lol what's wrong with pc, it is a better system than any console only thing is its more money.
@Wallo Right, because of all your Kickstarter games and scraps right? 😂
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