At this point we all know that the coronavirus has buggered everything up for just about everyone -- Sony and the games industry included. But it's still interesting to hear that Sony had initially planned for multiple PlayStation 5 presentations earlier this year, only to have higher-ups in the company refuse them.
This information comes courtesy of Alanah Pearce on Kinda Funny Games Daily. Pearce says: "Sony has tried to do presentations already this year, and I know this from developers who were supposed to be part of those presentations, but didn't because for some reason, somewhere in the Sony hierarchy they were very obsessed with the idea of having a very, very professional stream, rather than something previously recorded."
Pearce continues: "So they weren't willing to do anything outside of a massive studio with a crew of like, 25 to 30 people. Which, for those devs who were planning to have their games revealed at those certain streams, was very frustrating." She adds: "PlayStation just wasn't having the at-home-quality stuff -- they were refusing to do it. So I feel like maybe this is actually going to be huge."
In short, it sounds like Sony wants this incoming PS5 event to be as professional as possible, ensuring the kind of quality that you'd expect from a presentation of this magnitude. Indeed, we don't doubt that the Japanese giant could have put on a number of shows already as Pearce says -- it's just that the company clearly wants to get this right.
With the long-awaited PS5 showcase due as early as next week on the 3rd June according to a number of trusted industry sources, it surely won't be long until we see the results of Sony's efforts.
Yesterday’s State of Play opened my eyes. Sony, No one wants PS5, where is PS Vita 2?
@ZeroOverOne I mean...... why not both?
@ZeroOverOne Yesterday? It aint tomorrow yet!
Just announce the PS5 out of the NYC sewer, I bet we'd all still watch it anyways
Aw what, I was hoping for cardboard signs and MS Paint diagrams, really giving it that Blue Peter quality.
Yeah I mean, no one wants the PS5 to be announced with webcams.
Oh god... that sounds like E3 type of crap.
Hope they are not planning to go back to that theatrical nonsense.
@Makina They’re gonna get Tina Turner to belt out that song from Mad Max while Herman Hulst and Jim Ryan arrive carried on the backs of peasants. Plot twists, fireworks, laugh tracks, the works.
Given the only event that made it through was that boring spec talk, I’m concerned what they mean by “professional”. Marketing to devs?
@nessisonett That's the kind of "professionalism" that worries me.
@AzlanWake13 Or just mario odyssey
2 tbh. That's all I want
Good, that xbox event is pretty bad and unprofessional, sony have to do better than that.
I don’t care if Sony does the ps5 event in someone garage I just want some ps5 news soon because I’m dying of hype right now.
In my opinion, the format of their reveal isn't the biggest issue for them right now. The majority of the gaming community understands this is uncharted waters. People didn't complain about Xbox Insider because they were doing it on Teams; they complained because the content wasn't what was promised. With Sony it's the complete opposite. They haven't promised anything. I will be extremely disappointed if Sony's showcase is going down next Wednesday. If it's actually true then our one week notice came from a Bloomberg rumor. With such a largely anticipated reveal I would assume you would want to give people as much warning as possible.
I have full faith that the PS5 is going to be an outstanding machine. Sony just needs to figure out a better way to communicate it to us.
@RedShirtRod why would you be disappointed to see the ps5 next week. I understand that some people might don’t have the funds on hand right now to buy the console If Sony just reveal the console randomly but Sony did give people somewhat of a warming with saying they will show off the ps5 games line up soon.
I tend to see different impression from both Playstation and Xbox when it comes to culture and how they deliver. People work on Playstation is like an Executive with ties and suit, while Xbox employee is like coboy and hip hop rapper. PS is more elegan while Xbox tend to be hippies.
Alanah Pearce seems to get more inside information than most other people nowadays, I often see articles use her as their source for inside information.
For a time, Sony were terrific at showmanship when it came to these presentations, and I thought they lost that with the State of Plays. Maybe this PS5 info blow-out will be an attempt to regain that?
@Yaycandy It’s already 8 am in the morning for me sorry for confusion lol
@4kgk2 I'm glad of the possibility to see the PS5, I just don't think the build up to it is the best way to go. Overall the beginning of June makes sense. It's around the same time table as E3 would have been and like you mentioned it gives enough time before launch for people to save up.
My original statement deals more with how we are getting there. I think we should have already received an official statement from Sony if the event was happening within the week. What's confusing to me is why they are allowing all these rumors and confusion to build up. We went through a phase where maybe the PS5 was inferior to the Xbox Series X. Then it was that Sony won't show the design because of heating issues. Now we keep seeing the "maybe it's next week" posts. All of this seems unnecessary.
It's hard to judge these things from previous events but I think there are some items we can draw from the PS4 launch. Specifically the fact that everyone knew the PS4 was going to get a reveal during E3. I wasn't on this site during that launch but I don't remember reading a lot about rumors during that time period. Anything important would have been fully released in one sitting. Since we don't have E3 to lean back on this time and Sony is remaining quite people keep looking for the rumors to hold them over. I just think it's not a good thing.
@RedShirtRod Amen brother
Yeah. And have the Turtles host it, and eat Domino's pizza, dude!
Strangely that sounds legit 🤔
@RedShirtRod, I think it just safe to assume that since 2013 rumors have become a part of promotional strategy of many companies.
Many of those "rumors" and "leaks" are planned by companies. But some aren't. Some are just deep trolling and that can be a problem for some.
Well this seems a bit selfish and irresponsible of Sony to say the least, not because of wanting to make a professional presentation, but the fact that means people travelling to a studio and working together whilst countries are in lockdown, I hope they do t expect devs to fly in to the studios location.. seeing people on webcams has become the norm now and I didn’t think Microsoft did too bad a job at it, and besides the game streaming quality doesn’t suffer either way.
Hmm let’s see what they come up with at the risk of people being infected.
@oldschool1987 She used to work for IGN and does have a lot of contact with developers and people wishing the gaming industry. Doesn't usually spill the beans unless it is legit.
This tracks with Sony's commitment to professionalism and desire to constantly blow Microsoft out of the water. Sure they got in first, really, but Sony has time and expectations on their side. It's obvious that they have quite a lot of faith in the console, regardless of the flop counts (ugh). There's no way they're just gonna have Jim Ryan in a Zoom chat just pull the PS5 chassis in from off screen. They want class, dignity, and flair, despite the circumstances. And I commend them for it.
A 10 second video.
This is what it looks like. Here's the price. It's available tomorrow.
A bit rich coming from the company that came up with the PS5 logo. That must have been months of hard work. (not that i hate it or anything)
Basically they saw the Potato Cam quality the MS crew settled on and thought 'Bugger that for a game of soldiers, that's no way to announce a new garden ornament, let alone a new console!'
To be honest I don't need or want 'talking heads', I don't need Mark Cerny to pirouette with the new console in hand. I'd be happy with a quick rendered trailer of the thing and then move onto unmitigated game footage.
And yet others have managed to put together streams and provide information throughout this situation. Granted, the Microsoft one had its 'cringe' moments with people in different areas and Cerny did do their GDC presentation.
I know that some things perhaps wouldn't have been presented as well - but State of Play has shown that they could of done more. A combination of voice overs and videos/stills would still have worked - you don't need to see a 'presenter' stood on stage talking with the PS5 nearby and a screen behind them. Just use that speech over what ever is on screen, and stills.
Its possible the next presentation may not be a full professional presentation but that Sony have decided to actually get 'some' information out. Its very easy to make a 'professional' voice over without needing expensive Cameras and a film crew to film the same script read on a stage in front of an 'audience' (fake or real) and it doesn't take a full film crew to film the console/controller - people would be happy with a few 'stills' of the console from different angles - inc the back. It doesn't take much to overlay 'text' either to label and discuss the ports. It could still look very professional without the need to be a full on presentation on a stage...
My theory is Sony went back to the design drawing board for the console external design to sort the cooling/fan noise post series X reveal which is why we had the dual sense reveal and not the console. If the PS5 is running a similar setup to Xbox but the Microsoft made a shell with near silent cooling in mind and the PS5 was originally going to look something like the Dev kit i suspect it would be jet engine vs water cooled PC is the dB department and we now how many people hate the PS4 Pro fan noise.
So they mention the console itself could be revealed in a wired article. I think it makes sense to reveal the hardware but why the Wired?
Is there some sort of exclusivity with Sony? It's rather wEiRd.
Wow you entire post is pure speculation and somehow it seems you really believe it yourself..
IF Sony (and I'm sure they didn't) go back to the drawingboard with the consoles chassi it would take them at least 8 months more to reveal it. That is not counting Covid delays at all.
These "plastic boxes" are cut out with extreme accuracy and redesigning the box and retooling the entire productionline for it isn't made in a few weeks. Plus they need to get the factory making it accept all the changes too, they might have other orders what would be affected by a change from Sony so it isn't as simple as you seem to think it is.
Sony's cooling was done in december when they took the patent, that means they already tested it enough by then so they could register the patent. No company takes a patent and hope to solve everything afterwards. This should be tested at least 4-6 months prior to the patent being filed.
I guess Wired somehow is a part of the Playstation family now ? As you say, wEiRd !! Makes no sense tbh.
If this is coming from the Japanese bosses, this doesn't surprise me.
I was at a corporate conference a couple years back and I struck up a conversation from someone from our Japanese office and he said that Japan operates business as if it's the 1980's (It can take months to setup direct deposit because everything is still done with physical paper and through actual mail).
Japan may have some really cool tech, but that tech is created under very outdated business practices. I guess if it isn't broken, don't fix it.
So the idea of doing this reveal "the new way" might be rattling the suits in Japan a little bit.
@Zeke68 as I said my theory no where did I say it was fact so please drop the insults there was no need for it at all.
Also seeing as the series X was revealed in December 2019 based on your time scales by the time the reveal happens assuming its even in June that's 6 months. Oh in regards to last minute design changes did you not see the PS3 boomerang controller this patent was renewed last year for a 13 year old controller that was never produced, patents mean nothing until the final product is revealed.
I'd love to get more detail, but I can wait. I get the feeling MS showed too many cards and now it's last year's console. Got some great games to kill the time LoU P2. I suppose all the negative rumours are just that rumours. Not many people I trust to go give information, you see it all the time with direct quotes in multiple articles. Embrace the healthy competition and ignore the BS 👍😀
The difference between a patent like the "boomerang" and this patent is that the entire PS5 need to be built following a certain specification to be able to be sold as an electronic in EU-region (pretty sure U.S have similar regulations) so when Sony (or Nintendo or whoever) builds a console, they need to get those cleared to get their certificate to sell them in the European countries, so IF Sony would do a last sec change as you seem can be the case here, they are playing roulette because they can't sell the device without proper clearance from EU and we all know how slooooow they can be to process certificates like this, so that's a gamble I'm 100% sure Sony would never ever do.
The PS5 is designed, the factories is setting up (surely already done too) and when they are massproducing it were is no going back. A change at that specific point in time would be almost impossible, and IF they REALLY had to do it, it would cost them hundreds of millions of dollars for sure. No way Sony takes chances like that.
I'm sorry if you felt insulted, not my meaning, but you sounded like every other Xbot out there with the passive-aggressive post against the PS5 cooling so my bad, I guess I misread it.
@RedShirtRod Preach!! I've been saying this for months. I can remember off the tail end of 2019 I was amped for this year. Now we sit here at the end of May and more heavy rumors of the reveal finally happening and I couldn't be less excited. I'm with you with how they've approached this, and I believe it has to do with Jim Ryan and Herman Hulst taken over. The PS4 was beautifully ran by Shawn Layden and you really can see the difference since they've taken over. It just doesn't feel the same anymore. I'm gonna wait a few years and see where Ryan/Hulst lead the gaming part of Sony before I make a purchase.
I bet the holdup is with the intermission entertainment. You know, the live music performed on bamboo instruments, the spoken word medley, and if my sources are correct, something something llamas.
@nessisonett I would really doubt there would be 2 xbox players willing to carry them in their backs (joking btw)
@Zeke68 Thank you for the apology it's much appreciated
And definitely not an anti PS5 post I plan on getting both like this gen but PS5 first out of the two, my apologies if it came across passive agressive.
Yes you make some good points I merely based it on that Sony always tend to reveal console and controller at the same time, the dual sense being shown months in advance is unusual especially when Microsoft have already shown everything, I suppose you could argue they wanted to give us something after the Xbox reveal but weren't happy with what was available to show on the game side of things for main console reveal.
The other thing I was wondering that would still allow for the point you made about the electronics is the case itself, the Pro gets so hot and ramps up the fan noise because of the poor airflow it provides, you could potentially make adjustments to chassis and allow for better airflow and lower fan rpm without changing too much if anything to the electronics though I understand what you mean about production.
I suppose the the PS4 reveal/release were pretty close together June and November 2013 I believe, either way I hope they have something far quieter than the Pro, playing RDR2 with HDR was pretty distracting with the fans ramping up even when its on a totally open shelf.
Yeah, the Pro has had at least 4 revisions of the type of fan, placement, and airduct design. Each time Sony had to make a minor adjustment in their certificate and reapply for a new updated one.
OG PS4 about 6-8 months later B model was released, another 6 months and the White Edition was released and the last and final(?) was the Death Stranding one if I remember correctly.
So while a change is possible, it's after the primary model is made and certified. After that it's pretty easy to make minor changes.
I read somewhere online that Cerny said their new (PS5) cooling was tested on a Pro while being developed and it was as quiet as if it was watercooled. Now I know the PS5 is many times more powerful so I assume it's getting even hotter than the Pro but it sounds like it's going to be a really powerful coolingsolution.
Which is good, there is nothing worse than a company not willing to make improvements or listen to feedback. Have you had any experience with the later models?
As a launch console owner you kinda have to expect improved versions will come later though including my launch Xbox One X which also sounds like a jet, it would be nice to have something quiet from the start
I bought my first Pro on day one, it sounded like a jet (still I see people online everyday saying it's a lie) and it died after 9½ month due to overheating. Sony replaced it with a refurbished one and that wasn't ok in my book. I sold it dirt cheap to my neighbour and bought a White edition for myself and a Black "B"-version to my daughter. Both sound pretty load now and then, but nothing like my first Pro.
A very good friend of mine bought the Death Stranding one and it is REALLY quiet !! I envy him for sure
I assume the new Last Of Us Pt II Pro will be same model as his, the latest one and I would buy one if it wasn't for the PS5 looming at the horizion. (Already pre-ordered 2 PS5's, one for me and one for, you guessed it, my daughter - spoiled child)
@DeadManInBlack my PS4 and PS4 Pro were and are extremely quiet. Not really sure where people are having problems. Perhaps clean out your console? I know initially when I started playing FF7 Remake after quite a few months of not playing any games at all was very loud and ramped up quickly. I cracked open the case and cleaned out the dust (which was really bad) and it was immediately whisper quiet.
9 times out of 10, poor cooling in these systems is due to poor air flow from being clogged.
@Ken_Kaniff I am the total opposite. I am more hyped than ever as are most people. Unlike Microsoft, Sony hasn't revealed almost everything already. The mystery and slow drip of information creates excitement and anticipation. It sounds like you are mad Sony hasn't revealed the Ps5 the way you like and you are holding a grudge against them for it.
@ChipBoundary Thanks for the suggestion, I did have a clean of the fans a few months back but to be honest there was barely any dust. Both mine and my brothers were the same which were purchased at the same time via Amazon. It's a known issue with the launch pro's especially when running 4k/HDR, as Zeke mentioned they have made variants which have improved the problem.
@Zeke68 haha very lucky daughter but its great you've got something you can do together, sadly in my house any goodies like that I have to buy for myself and anyone else. I do have the amazon extended warranty for two more years I believe so if it packs up I'll get a voucher code or it repaired/replaced.
Get Tommy Wiseau to do the job.
A few weeks ago I teared up my White Pro and replaced the Thermal paste and added Thermal pads after watching a YouTube video about it.
The original Thermal paste was covering about 50-60% of the Cpu Die and the chinese had smeared the other 40% on the outside components... Not good.
Now it's quiet but still sounds a bit louder in the God Of War (2018) map but now it's much better.
I checked my daughters too but no thermal paste outside the CPU area so we let it be as it was original.
So stop with the "clogged" theory please. I wipe with a dry cloth once a week and once a month I vacuum around all ventilation openings on my Pro. No dust in that machine.
I opened my daughters just a couple of weeks ago to recheck if any dust had built up, but it was like 1% dust in it.
Not everyone live in a dustfilled teenage room you know.
The main problem with the Pro cooling isn't a dust problem. It's underpaid chinese workers that don't give a beep about how Sony wants them assembled. Even my daughter can apply real thermal paste better than it was in my White Pro, that's for sure.
And now I heard (rumours) that both Sony and MS are moving the assembly lines to Taiwan because they have better production quality in their manufacturing. So hopefully they use more thermal paste and apply it over the entire die and the PS5's will be fine (and quiet).
@Zeke68 so, your one anecdotal experience explains everything? I have a whole group of friends with launch day models and their systems are whisper quiet. I never said my solution was the answer, either. I said I don't know why they are having a problem.
You're just rude and looking for a fight it seems. I repair consoles as a part of what I do for a living, so working on them gives me a unique insight into their problems. I've worked on hundreds of them and 95% of them are clogged with dust.
Your use case, the way you describe it is completely out of the norm. The vast majority of gamers do not take care of their electronics as they should. Your ignorance is further explained by your description of thermal paste. Granted, the entire die not being covered does reduce cooling effectiveness, but having thermal paste on other components surrounding the CPU makes zero difference. It looks messy and that is about it.
So I owned a total of 4 Pro's (counting my daughters), I have at least 38 friends, neighbours and workmates that owns a Pro and about 5% of all of us has a whisperquiet Pro and I'm "anecdotal" ? Sure mate, if that makes you sleep better at night.
But then, explain for me: Every single one of us that owns a "loud" Pro has had that problem since day one, the unboxing the brand new one - day one. How the heck can it be dust then ?
"Your use case, the way you describe it is completely out of the norm. The vast majority of gamers do not take care of their electronics as they should. Your ignorance is further explained by your description of thermal paste. Granted, the entire die not being covered does reduce cooling effectiveness, but having thermal paste on other components surrounding the CPU makes zero difference. It looks messy and that is about it."
That's the point, don't play games with me. All thermalpaste should be on the die, not applied so half is outside the die.
"My ignorance" is not true, I worked with PC's for a large amount of my 52 year life, both on component and server side so climb down from your highhorses.
I built PC's for a living and if I once had applied it as Sonys chinese workers does, I would have been fired along time ago, that's for sure.
Obviously you just want to steer up something here / troll or whatever. I'm not in the mood for crap like that so you can go on without me.
"I'm rude" - no it's you who started with 9/10 is dustrelated so I must lie - attitude. God, read your own comments before you post em...
@ApostateMage I mean..... If they showed Metal gear Solid Remake, I would get one. Cheers.
@Dijon I've been saying that for years.
@Mintie Everyone seems to forget Cerny is just the brains behind the whole show. Phil Spencer is just a spokesperson. Cerny is a nice guy with a lot of passion for his he is just a little geeky and not the spokesperson of the Trump administratie. Im certain the last PS5 was not meant for the big public anyway.
@DeadManInBlack Man you sound like those guys on Youtube call it insiders info and start a channel. 😆
@Flaming_Kaiser I could (and would given the chance) listen to Cerny for hours, it helps that I have a background in tech and understand 99% of what goes into his presentations and the ramifications for the industry... but for the reveal of the box I don't need a stage show because I honestly don't care about the form-factor it takes.
My ideal reveal would be 60-90 mins with no more than 10mins spent on the box including price, release month and news that Plus and Now are being rolled into one service. The rest of the running time should be split between trailers and gameplay showcases.
I would love further, deeper tech stuff to be released separately, but keep the reveal clean and as straight forward as possible.
@Mintie He did a full techtalk it was a reveal of the specs just not for the public. I just want the games and compatability (no idea if its spelled right). A price but its fun too what box ill be having beneath my TV for the coming years.
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