Final Fantasy VII Remake has been available for over a month now, and it feels like its release ended up being a landmark moment for the series. With that in mind, we got the opportunity to talk to producer Yoshinori Kitase and co-director Naoki Hamaguchi about Remake's development, its launch, and the decisions behind some of the game's design.
Push Square: First of all, congratulations on the launch of Final Fantasy VII Remake. Have you been pleased with how the game has been received by fans?
Yoshinori Kitase (Producer): Thank you to everyone who enjoyed the game. There are a lot of people who played the original game who are now working in the industry as developers, game writers or even influencers, and I think that those people liked the remake and talked about the game, becoming evangelists and spreading the word to new players. I am very grateful indeed to all those fans who have been with us since the original and support Final Fantasy VII over the years, and it’s great to welcome all the new players who are experiencing the game for the first time.
Naoki Hamaguchi (Co-director): Thank you very much! After seeing the response when the game released, I felt real pride that the kind of remake we aimed for has been appreciated and approved by the fans. Our aim was to deliver a game experience that felt both new and nostalgic at the same time, not jarring with people’s fond memories of the original but enhancing them, and expressed in the most modern way possible. We have received many comments from fans expressing their approval for this approach and saying that the approach we took to the remake resonated with them, and this has inspired confidence in all the little decisions we made to build up the game. We are hugely excited about development on the next game and making that something that will meet fans expectations too, but it is important not to forget a sense of humility, and that we can still learn a lot.
Final Fantasy VII is a classic RPG that means a lot to so many people. Did you ever feel that
pressure while developing Remake?
Kitase: There was a certain amount of pressure, but that soon changed into joy as I watched the team making a new game that showed so much respect to the original whilst feeling completely new and fresh at the same time.
Final Fantasy VII Remake expands on the Midgar story arc significantly. When developing the game, how did you decide on the parts that you wanted to expand?
Kitase: I personally envisioned quite a dramatic change overall, but our director; Tetsuya Nomura and co-director; Naoki Hamaguchi, wanted to keep the beloved aspects in the original as much as possible. Eventually the development team decided to focus on respecting the original while adding in new elements, ensuring a delicate balance between the two.
Which part of Midgar did you enjoy recreating most?
Kitase: I would say in general I really loved being able to show the city of Midgar and its unique structure in full 3D. The technical limits of the original game fixed the camera to a top-down view, but in the remake you can move through it 360 degrees, allowing you to see Midgar from many different angles in a way like never before. The sense of immense weight and oppression that you get when looking up from the slums really allows you to experience the feeling that the slum-dwellers get from living there first-hand.
Can you tell us about any new content that was planned, but didn't make it into the finished version of Final Fantasy VII Remake?
Hamaguchi: This is my honest opinion, but I really do feel that I managed to get everything I wanted into the remake and balance it correctly, so I am confident that is a worthy offering to bring to all the fans who love Final Fantasy VII.
There is one thing that is not so much a regret, but more of an interesting aside... Final Fantasy VII Remake contains many mini-games that pay homage to the original, and there was one that I really wanted to include but ultimately was not able to do so. You can actually still just about see the impression of where this was supposed to fit in [laughs].
Fans might remember the basketball shooting mini-game in the Gold Saucer, but in actual fact we also put a basketball hoop in the park that you find on the way to Jesse’s family home in the slums and I wanted to make it playable there too. However, we felt that having a game that created noise from rebounding basketballs really did not work with the atmosphere at that point in the story, when the team were moving covertly in the dead of night, so we removed it. We still wanted to leave a little homage in there though, so we left an abandoned basketball there and made it possible for it to roll around.
In terms of personality and the way they're written, was it difficult to take the characters of Final Fantasy VII and reimagine them for Final Fantasy VII Remake?
Kitase: We did not make any changes to the basic personalities from the original. That said, there have been nuanced changes to how some things are shown in places, reflecting the changes in the social conditions of the real world over the past 23 years. One example would be how Barret and the members of Avalanche now agonise over their decisions and sometimes doubt the righteousness of their actions against the Shinra Company, realising that they may not be on the side of justice after all.
We love the combat system in Final Fantasy VII Remake, but it seems like it would be a difficult system to get right. How long did it take to develop? Did you run into any problems?
Hamaguchi: The concept for the battle system in Final Fantasy VII Remake became clear to us at an early stage. What we were aiming for was to evolve the ATB system in the original to express the same concept through a more modern system.
We went through a lot of trial and error, but instead of simply trying to integrate the ATB system and an action based system into one hybrid model, we thought we should bring out the best from both systems by clearly defining each one’s role. At the core of the remake’s battle system there is still the simple concept of charging up an ATB gauge and using the charge to execute abilities, exactly like in the ATB system from the original game.
As well as this, the action elements play the role of enhancing and enabling the ATB to function better, allowing the player to use skill to do things like charging the ATB gauge more efficiently, or setting up enemies so that abilities will be more devastating when a charge is used. So, the system is based around supporting using action gameplay and achieving your goal using the ATB commands.
This successful relationship between the two elements also provides the foundation for “Classic mode”. In this mode the action elements are operated automatically by AI, allowing the player to focus entirely on identifying the correct timing to execute abilities with the ATB, exactly as they could have in the original game. You could say that this system was only made possible through clear definition of the roles for ATB and action gameplay that we did for remake.
There's a surprising amount of player choice in Final Fantasy VII Remake. Cloud's dialogue options can sometimes influence how the story plays out. Why did you want to give players these options?
Hamaguchi: Since the story in FINAL FANTASY VII up to escaping from Midgar is designed to be fairly linear, I was always worried about the possibility of jeopardising the feeling of tension and suspense inherent within the narrative by implementing gameplay which is more open-world in nature.
However, I was also aware that the story would be unpopular if it was so rigidly linear that it did not allow any player freedom at all. Therefore, we decided that every player will have the same experience in the main story, similar to watching a film, but implement choices at certain points that illustrate the depth of characters and the in-game world. This lets players choose how they want to progress in the story and it is quite captivating.
If you consider the two possible game designs, one being a design that only allows players to progress rigidly along the main story in a linear manner, and the other where a player’s choices are reflected in their story progression, it is important for players to feel that they are playing through the story at their own volition, rather than that they are being ‘forced to do so’. This is why there are side-quests, mini games, and Chadley’s reports in the game, to increase the number of chances to let players make their own choices.
Roche is an interesting character, but he only appears in one chapter. Where did the idea for Roche come from?
Hamaguchi: For new characters in general, I was conscious that I should only be adding to the game and its characters in order to deepen the in-game world of Final Fantasy VII.
Roche, for example, has an important role in explaining the situation for SOLDIER operatives who fight on the side of Shinra, when he secretly enters the Shinra facility with Cloud and the other members of Avalanche. In his cutscenes, you can also see a bond between Cloud and Roche, so I am quite excited to see what could happen to them in the future.
Then, at Wall Market, we wanted to portray Don Corneo in the style of a real-life mafia boss who holds power in the underworld. To make the portrayal feel more real, we wanted to add henchmen who work for him for their own mutual benefit, so we decided to add in Madam M, Sam, and Andrea who do Corneo’s dirty work.
After all these years, we need to ask: who's a better fit for Cloud? Tifa or Aerith?
Kitase: We never talk about how characters relate with each other outside of what is depicted in the game. Our only focus has been how best to depict the characters in an appealing way as part of the remake.
However, I also love to see the exciting discussions among the fans within the community and it’s something we’ve seen since the original game released!
Huge thanks to Kitase-san and Hamaguchi-san for taking the time to answer our questions. Special thanks to Daniela Piertrosanu and Square Enix PR for making this interview possible.
What are your thoughts on Final Fantasy VII Remake over a month after its launch? Plan a return to Midgar in the comments section below.
Nice grab on the interview guys. 👍
That said, did you seriously not $#@%& ask them when the next part would release and how many they were planning? That was the only acceptable last question to the interview, so I'm expecting another part, but since it's Squenix I suppose you can't tell us how many parts there will be or when you will publish them. 😝
Great interview @shogunrok . Really enjoyed reading it. Great that you had access to the creators. Thats pretty wild!
There is an obvious elephant in the room on that there is no coverage of part two. Was it a condition of the interview that they couldn't talk about it?
Whats you view on aerith v tifa as you asked the question?
@Rob_230 i imagine we will get news about part 2 next year once the game has released on whatever other systems it's releasing on, they probably can't talk about it until then
I'll admit, I spent a few minutes trying to make Cloud pick that basketball up to shoot some hoops. I just played footy with it instead.
@Rob_230 Incredibly hard to pick but I've always preferred Tifa for Cloud. Not just for the obvious reason in the original game, but the way her story ties into Cloud's, especially later on, is really touching.
She just ends up having this desperate need to care for him when all hope seems lost, and I always thought that was a really powerful moment in the original game.
@rjejr Sadly we couldn't ask anything about future games. We wanted to ask about PS5 plans as well.
It was a bit needlessly bloated in spots, but I thought the Remake did a really great job of fully realizing the Midgar scenario from the original game. And the combat is triumphantly good.
And, yes, Cloud x Tifa is my FF7 OTP.
Nice interview, BTW!
Dammit, man! You never bothered to ask about the textures??
Also, team Tifa/Cloud here.
But I also warmed up to Aerith a lot in the Remake.
@ShogunRok i agree, a lot of people tend to forget that Cloud holds Zacks memories and feelings thanks to the Jenova Cells and i know people like to bring up Advent Children but Clouds depression in that film was for not being able to save someone again in this case Denzel the orphan child he a Tifa took in and that reminded him of his failure with Aerith (people really need to read On the Way to a Smile)
yes Cloud felt things for Aerith but they were also mixed with Zacks so he could never really know which were his and which were Zacks
plus once Cloud regained his true self and memories his whole personality changed including how he felt about people another thing people tend to forget
but it's all a mute point anyway, Aerith died and Cloud ended up with Tifa regardless
@1_W1NG3D_4NG3L Structured as written. With interviews like this, publishers usually have some guidelines that we have to follow. For example, we couldn't ask about future plans or things like Remake on PS5. Which is obviously disappointing from our perspective, but it's important to show respect when people have taken the time to talk to you anyway.
So really, we just try to go with interesting questions where possible. If we get some insight from the developers, then that's perfect. I think it's great when a developer speaks from the heart because we don't really get that perspective enough in games media. It's always about writers like us at Push Square and the gamers who read the website.
And we do get a little bit fanboysish! I suppose it's only natural when you really like the game that these people worked on. I also did an interview with the lead writer on The Witcher 3 recently ( https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2020/05/interview_looking_back_on_the_witcher_3_with_lead_writer_marcin_blacha ) and it was almost surreal reading the interview back because I'm such a huge fan of what he and the rest of the development team did with that game.
It's just really cool seeing the interviews we do become a reality for other people to read and hopefully enjoy.
They did a fantastic job bringing Aerith to life. I had very specific memories of... Aeris... from the original game. After I went back to play it this month, realized there was WAY less character development for her in the original than I remembered. So very happy with how they made Aerith feel like a real person in this game. Also Cloud, in my mind, was always too damaged to be in a relationship. But in Remake? Cloud + Aerith. Tifa is too maternal... Aerith challenges him, and pushes him out of his comfort zone, and is a solid yin to his yang. Given this new timeline, I really hope she survives!
@Ear_wiG her death is too integral to the development of the story and characters so i doubt they will change it and i'm pretty sure they already said in a recent interview they won't be changing the core story beats
A lot of people are putting too much stock in this new timeline idea anyway but that's the youtube culture at work i suppose
@ShogunRok could you ask any questions about patching the game with the awful textures that are in it?
Lol love that you asked that last question
@FullbringIchigo But we can dream
@Ear_wiG all i can think of is this
Remake was my first FF game and I loved it. Where should I go next for similar combat and vibe? Also, Tifa is life.
@Splat tough one as this is the first time this kind of battle system was used in a FF game
@FullbringIchigo Haha, love that pic but Tiffa for life!!
Good interview! Well done lads!
@Ear_wiG you know if they did that it would sell bucket loads
@ShogunRok Yeah, I'm old enough to know how these things work, thanks for the non-nasty reply, I think you're mellowing w/ age and experience. 😉
I agree with a lot of what you're saying though, you're pretty much pinning down a lot of stuff people have missed about the story.
I was an Aerith fan until I heard her voice in this game. Yep, Tifa it is.
You're flat wrong. Cloud clearly has a bias towards Aerith over Tifa. He's always been so much warmer to Aerith who honestly just cracks him open like a walnut. Even in chapter 14 in the special Cutscene he confesses his love. People try to make the argument "his thoughts weren't fully his own, they were partly Zack", simply don't want to accept that Cloud was actually being his true self. Even if you don't want to believe it, the Devs themselves (Kojima and some others) actually confirmed in an IGN interview that Cloud was being himself.
Yes Cloud does definitely care for Tifa but its always been as a friend. Tifa has been a childhood friend and so he will always care for her, but it's Aerith who he has true romantic feelings for.
And no he actually doesn't end up with Tifa. Part of what made Aeris death so powerful and iconic was because there was no replacement for. He couldn't get over her as you see in the whole Advent children movie. Tifa could never fill the hole that Aeris left and he was left in a tragedy mourning for his lover.
Actually that's quite possible. You should ignore the other guy, he's trying so hard to push his own narrative. It's a remake not a 1 to 1 remaster. They are as the word implies "remaking" the timeline. The arbitars of fate have been destroyed and the devs conclude the game with "the unknown journey will continue"... which is literally screaming out "hey if it isn't obvious already, ***** about to change, anything can happen the future is unknown". So there's so much opportunity and potential now that it's likely Aerith survives in this new timeline.
I second this. This chigo guy is trying soo hard to sail his cloud x tifa ship lol its ridiculous.
@Daenerys @Riftwalker This exactly. Love what Square is doing with the Remake and timeline shift. Cheers mates!
@Ear_wiG @Daenerys @Riftwalker fitst off chigargo guy, what the hell does that even mean
Second it looks like sone people never read any of the extra material like on the way to a smile or the ultimanias otherwise you would know everything you just said is total bollocks
Also IF you actually read what i said you would ser i said he cared for her it's just he didn't know which feelings were his and which were Zacks
Also yes i know it's a bloody remake and anything can change all i said was in a interview they said they was going to stick to the original story and no one at Square is confirming or denying the alternative timeline yet so as it stands it's a fan theory
Also Cloud and Tifa were living together in OTWTAS and at the end of Advent Children, they were a couple this has already been confirm ffs, would he have ended up with Aerith had she lived maybe BUT SHE DIDN'T SO HE DIDN'T that's what i bloody said, Aerith dies and he ends up with Tifa
I wasn't sailing a bloody ship THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED
And yes Advent Children was about Cloud learning to deal with his failures i never said it wasn't i even said his depression was caused because he once again couldn't save someone, this time the boy
It looks like the only people trying to push their ship here is you, sorry if you just seeing the words Cloud and Tifa in the same post is enough to send you into a rage
Long story short, read what people actually post and have a bit more respect if someone's views MAY be different to yours, i know people like you on the Internet have no filter and believe their opinions are the only valid ones but guess what THEY AINT
EDIT: I forgot that "extra scene" your going on about, there are 3 different ones of those, one involving Tifa and showing that he cares for her instead, all depends on what actions you take in game andcan change respectively so that's not proof either
Alright so I just finished the remake today and have some thoughts
First, I honestly think you are delusional. I've read the ultimatum as well and clearly aligns with what @Riftwalker has said. Honestly you're either blind or just don't want to accept the truth, its there plain and simple. It seems like its YOU who doesn't know how to read.
Second they never said they are going to 'stick to the original story', (maybe you're not blind but simply a liar). They said they will adopt core elements, having an alternative timeline can still easily fit that description, its not the identical remaster you keep attempting to push forward.
Third, in the "extra scene". The one involving Tifa, its her who's the one that comes to Cloud and hugs him. Cloud literally stands still for like 5 seconds straight, and is then compelled to hug her back after she's crying. On the other hand in the Aerith scene, its Cloud that goes for Aerith. He's the one who is actively expressing interest in her. The fact that you try to dismiss that as 'no proof' is just pathetic, only shows how desperate you are in not wanting to accept the truth.
Fourth, In the original game , Cloud did not inherit Zack’s memories, if he did, he would have a reaction when he met Zack’s parents in Gongaga and even recognize Aerith in first meeting and all the people Zack met. But nope, it’s a common misconception. He just has a fabricated image of himself as a First Class Soldier. Moreover in the remake, when anything shatters with his adopted persona he gets a migraine is confused for a second as conflicting memories flood in. He doesn't get any of that during this scene. So when he says "Do I get a say in all this?" with that resolute, straight-forward tone it's basically him saying, "no, these feelings are mine and mine alone," with no shred of ambiguity.
TLDR I legitimately do not see how @Riftwalker and @Daenerys are giving opinions, if you look at it objectively everything that said is a factual recount of what happened. You are the one who is being ignorant and dismissing it as 'no proof'. Idk if that's just you being arrogant, or you simply don't want to accept the truth? but regardless you should look at yourself before telling other people that they 'lack respect'. Sorry if I came off as a bit harsh, but I just cannot stand hypocrites.
@ShogunRok I love these interviews as for PS5 Chapter2 FF7R There was never going to be an exclusive as for the insight of FF7 remake from the publishers....More please Respect brings Respect Great Work.
@ShogunRok but one could argue that she had an obligation to, it's her fault, she's actually quite a bitch, cloud wouldn't of stuck around had tifa been honest from the get go it's been 7 years not 5 it was zack and sephiroth who did the major shinra biz at nibelhiem, you were just another no name grunt, like when cloud rebuilds himself I don't remember her apologising for lying to him for so long. Even if she had I doubt cloud accept it, he'd be in the group because everyone had the same goal at this point but that frail friendship woulda died XD if she had spilled the beans at the start, I feel like he would've picked up where zack left off an impromptu hero of midgar, kinda like what he did in the remaster only not following avalanche when they left...
@Riftwalker wow, where do I start? did you also miss the fact that in the chapter 14 resolution, aerith says 'you can't fall in love with me, even if you think you have, it's not real' all cloud says is 'do I get a say in this?' that's not a confession of love and it also hints at the fact that not all of Clouds feelings are his own. Aerith X Cloud shippers are always grasping at straws, he wasn't grieving as a lover for Aerith in AC, he just couldn't get over his own failures, he couldn't save Aerith, he couldn't save Zack etc Aerith is with Zack in the lifestream for God sake, do you just ignore everything that goes against your favourite pairing?
@Nich0 Tifa was worried that if she said anything that remotely conflicted with what he believes to have happened that it would have had a negative impact mentally, she didn't want to cause a mental breakdown, caring about him makes her a bitch? Lmao
@Davidngo first off i never pushed it as a remaster if they do an alternative timeline thing where Aerith might live, thus making it a sequel and a remake that will be awesome all i said was as Square hasn't confirmed or denyed it we can't say that is actually what has happened at least until part 2 is out
Second i said that scene can't be used as proof because it's optional and dependent on your in game choices not because of the content involved, i have gotten all 3 so how can we say one is the true scene?
Third the ultimania does indeed say that Aerith favours cloud in the relationship chart same with tifa but it purposely leaves question marks on them
Forth how is it hypocritical if i bring up that most of what everyone including me has said about the remakeis based on an incomplete picture so they are allowed a view and i am not?
Fith Cloud did inherit elements of Zack due to the Jenova cells but they were mixed in with who and what he was, that's what that whole segment in the original game where he was in the life stream was about, him finding who he really was
Now does Cloud love Aerith, yes i never said he didn't just that because of everything that happened he wasn't sure if they were all his feelings if that makes sense
And again given that Aerith dies anyway it was a mute point, would Cloud have ended upwith her had she lived probably but she didn't
As for the interview saying they wasn't changing anything big i'm pretty sure i read that on this site actually but you are correct i could be misremembering or misinterpreting but i still think she will die, it's too big, too impactful, too iconic of a moment to change
TL;DR as you put it as it stands now we have only had one part of this game so i think it's folly to assume we know where it's going to go especially with Nomura in charge if as @Riftwalker and @Daenerys put it is time travel shenanigans and everything changes great but all i'm trying to say is we just don't know yet
@Davidngo pretty sure Ichigo didn't say that it was a 1 for 1 remake at any point either? Only that the core story beats would remain the same, which is, in fact exactly what squeenix have said in the past so who is it that can't read? Cloud not hugging tifa back straight away is him struggling with his tough guy persona, you can even see it in his face as she hugs him and then when he does hug back he hugs back too hard and tifa has to ask him to let go, showing how much he wants to protect her, like he promised when they were kids but yeah just ignore that for your ship right?
It's not even about shipping, just about facts, aerith shippers love to ignore everything that happens between cloud and tifa and only acknowledge the moments between him and aerith, which of course there are moments with her too, I'm not denying that.
He doesn't have zacks memories no, but his persona is built off of the stories he told him, leading him to act how he thinks a 1st class soldier like him should or would. He acts tough in front of both aerith and tifa but let's down his guard hard when tifa hugs him and it reminds him of his promise.
People seem to forget (or ignore) that it's only been like four months? Since Zacks death... You're gonna do my boi zack like that? Makes Aerith seem like quite a bitch if she moves on that fast.
Cloud and Tifa, Zack and Aerith. That's how it's always been.
@ApostateMage shots have been fired XD
What I find most funny about this interview is that Nomura gets blamed by the fans for any issues with the story they might have yet it was Nomura who wanted to keep it as close to the original as possible and it was freaking kitase! Who wanted to change it, just shows that 90% of the time fans are absolute morons.
@Cloud39472 it's healthier in the long run to wake people from their disillusions no matter the short term cost, is what I've learned from life,(both 1st and 3rd party roles) because the longer it takes the higher the fall- tbh that's my only gripe with her, like she could of... And in lue with their charecters personalities they would of moved past it, probably been stronger for it, but she willingly kept the lie alive, he probably wouldn't have been so ***** in the lifestream if she had, it would of been a quick, yeah I already know this, and then move on to the torture sessions with hojo while he was 'playing' with his comatose body, which.. Weirdly enough aren't touched on and most fans seem to just gloss over this, like I'm not the first to think tifa doubling down when clouds in that village bed as a bit snakey, an act I saw as her conscience catching up with her, but no ones mentioned the fact that his 2 years as hojos pet in the basement is nothing more than a quick off hand insult and a mini arc ala give me a number exchange, but I digress, her taking care of cloud, is her way of apologising for being a bitch and allowing him to believe a lie.
@Nich0 still don't see how she's a bitch considering there were no malicious intentions at all but yknow whatever helps you sleep at night. Also she didn't even know that cloud was at their hometown, he was wearing a helmet the entire time. She just knew that clouds mind was a mess and that things he would say sometimes didn't match what she knew to be true. When he says its been 5 years, she legitimately thinks that it's been 7. She's just confused because to her, he was never even there.
I'd like to add that trying to compare this to real world mental problems is a little ridiculous. There's a lot of fictional nuances involved with clouds broken mind that trying to relate it to anything in the real world is a little far fetched.
What exactly are the things she hid from him pray tell?
Oh dear, fully grown men having a barney over their favourite ship. Come on, it’s literally the least important thing in the world. Christ, at this rate I’d be glad if they made the Barrett ship canon because it’s just as possible as the other two in the original game.
"and it also hints at the fact that not all of Clouds feelings are his own". I dont think so lol.. quite the opposite
Frankly, it seems to literally be the writer's intention for this scene to make it clear to the audience that what you're saying is NOT the case.
And pointing THAT out is literally half of what I'm trying to say here.
Every other time Cloud's confronted with information that shatters the false memories and persona he built up in response to his fragmented first class soldier experiences, it gives him migraines as @Davidngo has said
That very clearly doesn't happen in this scene.
More importantly, it's a moment of him not even just expressing his feelings but actively reinforcing them.
"Don't I get a say in all this?" is basically, "You can't tell me that my feelings for you are not real," in response to Aerith trying to suggest otherwise.
Those two things together both show that 1) Cloud is changing as a person as a result of his time with Aerith and 2) it makes it clear that it IS him.
Quite ironically it seem You are the one thats pulling straws here. Everything that that has been said by both @Davidngo and @Daenerys have actually happened. You are trying soo hard to deny Cloud's own genuine feelings for Aerith. It's not about shipping the couple its about What Happened, whether you like it or not.
@Riftwalker why would it shatter his persona? Or conflict with anything? Aerith has nothing to do with his past, so what does this even prove? If anything it would only help feed his persona, he just wants to be 'cool' Everything I have said has happened as well, we have clearly just looked at it in different ways.
"It's not about shipping the couple its about What Happened, whether you like it or not."
This might not even have happened, it's an optional scene. Tifa has an optional scene with Cloud too, hell so does Barret, guess we're dating barret too... Jesus christ.
@nessisonett it's nice to vent about pointless things sometimes, also I would like that, it would end the shipping wars and Barret would make a great boyfriend I think, he's got a tough exterior but he's all sweet and gooey on the inside!
THANK YOU. You literally ripped the words right out of my mouth.
In regards to @FullbringIchigo
I thnk we can come to an agreement that pretty much we don't know whats going to happen in part 2, I dont think @Davidngo or @Daenerys has ever argued against that. The one thing for sure is that there's many possibilities, we'll just have to wait and see.
Second, I don't agree with that logic. I think that the scenes are Cloud's respective emotional response to Aerith and Tifa, and so it makes sense compare the significance. But it's ok you don't have to agree.
Third Cloud does NOT inherit elements of Zack, he inherits elements of his fragmented First class soldier life/ideals (as Davidngo and Cloud39 have said) which give him that cold hard personality, Aerith is cracking him open and reaching to his true persona. So I must tell you that this 'zack persona' is completely false and fabricated, as the other members have clearly explained and these feelings are completely his own.
Fourth its note a 'mute point' just because Aeris died in the original. His love still transcends past the end of the game, just because she's not physically on the planet in the og does not automatically terminate his love. And it's up to the audience's interpretation on whether he 'accepts Tifa' or whether Aeris death leaves a hole that can never be replaced, which is one of the reasons made her death so powerful in the first place. So for you, you can go ahead and imagine it as him 'ending up with Tifa' That's your personal view, not everyone is going to agree with that, it can also be viewed as an eternal tragedy which makes it so resonating. There is a whole essay on this on Tor which I can link if you are interested, though I think you would rather leave it at that.
Fifth and Finally, you can have your own opnion on what you think will happen to Aerith thats fine. But myself and the other members disagree with that and we've made it clear why. Regardless of what we think what's certain is that anything can happen we have no clue "the unknown journey continues", so I think we can all agree and lets leave it at that.
I don't wanna start an argument. Anyways you said Cloud x Aerith shippers ignore everything that happens between Cloud and Tifa. Thats hypocritical as Cloud, Tifa shippers do the exact same thing. I don't think @Davidngo ignored what happened with Tifa, it's clear that Cloud has great affection for both girls, he was however highlighting that the evidence for his romantic interest points towards Aerith. Anyways this is going to go no where and trust me will be endless. At the end of it neither party is going to change opinions LOL, so lets just leave it at that.
@Cloud39472 Lmao, it would be pretty funny and it would be interesting to see if it would annoy people as much as TLOU2 has 😂😂
@Riftwalker I never said that Tifa X Cloud shippers don't do the same thing so I'll deny the hypocrisy thanks. There are also romantic moments between Cloud and Tifa too. Cloud saying 'beautiful' to Tifa at the bar, catching her jumping off the train, catching her when reno shoots the stairs from under her feet, Tifa asking Cloud to go on a date with her etc etc (Cloud doesn't get 'migraines' during any of those moments either by the way) there are indeed arguments for both but yes I'll leave it at that... Good talk!
It's your move Square! 😶
Couldn't have said it better myself !!
I think this is an excellent game. Final fantasy 7 was a massive game to begin with, with all the detail in a 85 gb game...you gotta give them a break. I'd like to know what the second parts part of the story would be. I mostly can't wait to see Jenova and Weapon.
As for the relationship argument people...technically he kind ends up with both of them.
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