At this point, a lot of people from within the games media have seen Cyberpunk 2077 in action. Developer CD Projekt Red has been showing a 50 minute demo behind closed doors to members of the press, and by all accounts, it's pretty incredible.
Many have penned their thoughts, with the majority of articles covering stunning graphics, a completely seamless world, dark, mature themes, punchy combat, and deep role-playing systems. Going by the sheer excitement on display, it almost seems too good to be true.
With such praise and amazement being directed towards the game, people have begun to question whether Cyberpunk 2077 really is a current-gen title. After all, the PlayStation 4 is now closing on its last few years -- or thereabouts, at least -- and Cyberpunk 2077 sounds like a technical marvel. Is there a chance that it's actually PS5 game, realistically speaking?
"I've heard a number of people say that [it's a next-gen game]," quest designer Patrick Mills told Game Informer. "The current console generation is what we're aiming for. We are aiming for Xbox One, PlayStation 4, and of course PC as well," Mills clarified.
So we at least know that CD Projekt Red is still targeting the PS4, but we're definitely starting to wonder whether Cyberpunk 2077 will bleed into the next generation. If the game's still a year or two off, then surely it'll launch around the same time as the predicted PS5? Could members of the press be seeing the first real cross-gen title in action? We suppose only time will tell.
What platform do you think Cyberpunk 2077 will hit? Will it make it onto the ageing PS4, or will it be pushed to the PS5? Or will it cover both of them? Place your bets in the comments section below.
Hmm. Obviously there's still a massive audience on current consoles, so it makes sense they'd target those. But based on what people are saying, it's hard to imagine it working on hardware from 2013.
CDPR obviously know better than any of us, but we'll see. There were lots of games due out on PS3 that ended up eventually getting cancelled in favour of new hardware.
Crazy that chatter of next-gen is beginning to become more and more prevalent, though.
I def see this being a cross gen title
I would trade all the games I have to play it right now...
Based on analysis of the trailer and the fact its only 30fps, its indicative of running on an X (or at least an X dev kit or equivalent;y specced PC). Its not as 'complex' as the Witcher with many many objects (like trees and bushes) so they can increase the polygon count in the people and still increase the resolution to a higher level.
I still wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being a multi-gen release but that would still mean its released on current gen hardware too.
I would like to think that this is a cross gen game. Hate the idea of pay for a £350 box to play what could be a dream game for me.
I’ll buy a PS5 for it. FFVII and this at launch. That would make the purchase worthwhile for sure.
Who cares be it current gen or next gen it will be awesome
Ofcourse they'll downgrade the visuals, it was obvious with Witcher and from the sound of this it sure as hell will too.
I dunno. I'm waiting to see actual gameplay of it first. That teaser trailer didn't really impress me.
Aging ps4.what are you talking about.haha.botox ps4.wrinkle ps4.haha.ps4 is still powerful enough.especially the ps4 pro.word up son
I'm thinking this is a late 2019 release with probably a remastered version for PS5 release in 2020.
I think it will be a cross-gen game.
I'd buy a PS5 for this game, no doubt. But it's better for them to target 80 million PS4s, of course.
@get2sammyb So how much longer we gotta look at Phils ugly mug?
Since playa kind of hinted at it, any back room rumblings of this, or any other game, possibly being Pro and 1X only? Surely the devs are pushing for permission. I know both MS and Sony said it couldn't happen, but I never believe anybody, there word is only as good as the day they say it, not months or years later.
Maybe when you recover from E3 you can run an article on dual release games on PS3 and PS4. Not ports like GTAV, simultaneous releases like MGSV. I know FIFA is still chugging along so don't count sports games either. Probably not FPS either like CoD but new ones like Destiny or Titan fall are ok. I know there was more than just MGSV.
Probably similar situation to GTA5. That released just before the Ps4 but didn't seem to do it any harm. Backwards compatability will remove the need for a double dip, if it happens that is.
It depends on when the next gen consoles are announced but it seems like the game would naturally release at around the same time, so I would put very good money on it being cross gen and in that case I would 100% buy it on PS5
I think people are being too hard on the ageing PS4. The better developers manage to get the best out of it. Look at games like Horizon, God Of War and the recent Uncharted games.
That said, I reckon Cyberpunk 2077 will be on both generation consoles and I'll be definitely snapping it up again for the PS5.
I'd be happy if it was a PS5 game myself. Probably going to be cross gen somehow though, isn't it. But I'm up for new PS hardware in the next year or so and it'd be good to have a belting game to play with it at/near launch instead of the usual suspect launch titles a console gets.
@rjejr How many games do you want? If you are not going to count CoD or Fifa, what about games like Rise of the Tomb Raider (360 and XB1), AC Black Flag, Dead or Alive 5, Battlefield Hardline, Lego games (Jurassic World, Marvel Avengers, Force Awakens for example), MotoGP 15, that awful Godzilla game, Telltale games like Tales from the Borderlands, Life is Strange, Madden 16, MLB16, MGSv, Destiny of course, Transformers: Devastation, TMNT Mutants in Manhattan, Persona 5, WWE 2k17, Skylanders Imaginators, Just Dance 17, 18, Thief, Wolfenstein New Order, Watchdogs, Murdered Soul Suspect, Sniper Elite 3, Sherlock Holmes Crime and Punishment, Alien Isolation, Evil Within, Dragon Age: Inquisition, Far Cry 4, LBP3, The Crew, Forza Horizon 2...
It was a lot more common in the first 18-24months after the release of the PS4/XB1. Even now, Just Dance 19 is coming to PS3 and XB360 in October - although this year, Fifa isn't coming to last gen so it looks like even the sports games have finally stopped cross-gen releasing.
There is more than likely going to be a cross-over phase for the PS4 and PS5 where a fairly decent quantity of titles - particularly 3rd party, will release 'cross gen'. 1st Party games may well be limited to PS5 to tempt people into upgrading but 3rd Party have no vested interest in getting you to upgrade - for them its all about selling to as many people as possible.
As we have seen already this gen, the games could be scaled right down to as low as 720/30 on base hardware which, considering the next gen will no doubt be 4k, is around a ninth (11.1%) the image size. I wouldn't be surprised if the PS5 is targeting 60fps too with VRR to minimise any issues with unlocked frame rates so games like this should scale up for PS5 (native 4k, higher visual settings, higher frame rates) or down to HD for PS4. Its obvious that the base PS4 should last longer than the XB1 - if Devs want to release as it has more 'headroom'.
Games that maybe much more CPU intensive on 'next gen' - those that are pushing the AI count and/or physics for example, may struggle on current gen but if the main target is native 4k/60, then it could scale down to current gen. Other things like Ray Tracing may also be an issue too but it depends on whether they build in 'alternatives' for those that can't use that technology. You would think that won't be the standard for a fair few years. It could be 2-3yrs after the release of 'next' gen consoles that games really won't run on current gen - no different from this gen. A lot of these games started development whilst this gen is current and the most likely thing to do is not scale down as much as they have to do for current gen - ie keep it native 4k, have a higher frame rate cap, have higher visual settings etc for PS5 over PS4 era
@Th3solution Me too. Even if it and FF7Remake are cross-gen titles, the thought of experiencing these games on a next gen console alongside either a GOW2 or Horizon 2 would be enough to get me to buy in.
Tbh i hope it Will become a ps5 only game.
I have a feeling that it might run bad or Will be too much downgraded On the base ps4 and i realy don't want to buy the pro now that we are closer to the ps5.
EAarly 2020 on ps4 and one year later as PS5 edition
@rjejr i know right.phil spencer face is creepy as hell.sammy lost a bet.ok.he dont have to keep that phil laughting face.looking like the clown prince the joker word up son
I think it will be a released on PS4 but a GOTY version with "enhanced visuals" will be ready for the launch of PS5.
@playstation1995 "looking like the clown prince the joker"
I think he looks like an oxy dealers on Justified. (tv show)
PS5 it will aim and miss the PS4.
@Neolit one more day.ok hahaha.thank god.word up son
@rjejr Haha ha.he looks also like a drug from the 1980s 😂😱😁.word up son
Definitely a cross gen title! Like GtaV and Last of us.
Ps4: normal version
Ps pro: 4k support and/or enhanced visuals
Ps5: 4k,60fps, more enhanced visuals.
@BAMozzy "that awful Godzilla game"
We own that for PS3, got it on sale for $10, wasn't really worth it. DAMM on Gamecube was really good. Save the Earth was good on PS2. Unleashed on Wii had a weird motion control that messed it up but the cast of characters was good. Haven't got it yet on PS4 b/c the multiplayer was online only, not couch, or we would have.
"Fifa isn't coming to last gen"
I read it was. Unless you meant PS2 and Xbox.
Just Dance is still coming to the Wii so I don't count that series.
Thanks for the long list. I wasn't really thinking of games like Lego and Skylanders aimed at kids, more AAA stuff - I recall PS3 getting a lame AC game when PS4 got the good one. But you do make a good point, PS4 and X1 will still be getting plenty of games for at least 2 years after PS5 and X2 launch.
On an almost related note since you went into such detail - Do you think MS hurt themselves long term by launching X1? It's $450 now, and very powerful, so I imagine it being hard for them to launch an even more powerful X2 any time soon at a decent price.
Pro is similar, but it's $350 now, so probably $300 this holiday 2018 while Slim hits $200. Next holiday 2019 they could discontinue Slim if they wanted, drop Pro to $250 and launch a more powerful PS5 at $400. Just adding in a 4k blu ray drive and 2TB HDD would make it look better than Pro.
Xbox1X at $450 now, $400 holiday 2018, $350 next holiday, they would need to launch X2 at $500 holiday 2019 to get enough power in there to be much of an upgrade. Which means Sony wins the price war again.
If we wait until holiday 2020 that still puts PS4 Pro at $200, so PS5 at $400, X1X at $300, would X2 be much better at $400?
I just dont' see how X1X works out for them long term competing against Sony. Too much power at too much price for a system held back by X1S compatibility. I would think a game built from the ground up for X1X would be a barely playable slideshow on X1S. (Nintneod had that problem w/ Hyrule Warriors on New 3DS vs 3DS)
I'm sure MS had their reasons, but I don't see how their plan works going forward. Unless they know Sony holds out on PS5 until 2021 or 2022.
It better be!
@rjejr Maybe Fifa, Madden and the like will be released on PS3/360 too but at a quick glance, it looked like they were missing out. I do think its difficult to count some games - like CoD:BO3 as the last gen version was missing some features as well as DLC and the aesthetics were changed too - much more than I would consider it being the 'same' game. I understand Fifa 14, which released on PS4, PS3 and PS2 (yes PS2) was not as complete either but I don't play Fifa and certainly wouldn't buy a game I could buy on current or next gen (if I hadn't upgraded). Technically though, Fifa14 released on 3 generations of console...
The X is in a difficult position IF MS do intend to completely lock it to the XB1. It has a lot of 'next gen' features - albeit with a current gen CPU. Its also significantly more powerful than the base console - not just the GPU but RAM too of course which is significantly higher.
With Sony and the Pro, the big difference is just the GPU. Yes the RAM and CPU have had a 'small' increase in speed but overall, its still just a PS4 with an extra GPU to basically 'double' the resolution. As Sony has stipulated its a 1080p+ (as in 1080p is the 'minimum'), any game that can't run at 720p on PS4, probably won't run at 1080p on the Pro either. RAM and CPU are so similar too so they can keep these locked together and it would go against the remit to release on Pro at under 1080p.
Because MS's X is so much more powerful, a game that can't run well at 720p should still run at 1440p (thanks to a 4.6x GPU and 1440p is 4x 720p in image size). The stumbling block could be its CPU of course. Logically, it would make 'sense' for MS to phase out the XB1 first which would mean you end up with games that release on the X (Minimum X required) or have some extra 'features' - similar to N64 and the Expansion Pack. It could end up being more 'PC' like where you have games as just 'Xbox' but you get different levels according to the hardware you run them on - pretty much like we do with the Pro/X now but instead of being in one generation, MS's consoles are no longer 'generation' locked. By that, I mean that they phase out the OG XB1, the X becomes the 'base' and the next console becomes the 'enhanced', then the base X is phased out, the enhanced becomes the Base and the next, the enhanced. Its more like the PC but less complicated as there isn't such a wide variety of GPUs, CPU's and not releasing multiple variations every year. Its not like you will have 'minimum' specs and have to try and work out where your set-up fits in that.
Maybe that will be confusing for some - only because its not the 'normal' but the advantage is that each console lasts a similar time. If you look at the standard console format, a new gen will mean that the Pro/X is only going to last as long as the base - which was already 3/4yrs old. If you phase out the 'base' and the enhanced becomes the base, then you get another 3/4yrs out of it. If you want the 'best' then you can upgrade every 3/4yrs like buying a PS4 in 2013, Pro in 16, PS5 in 19, Pro5 in 22... but you could also just buy the 'best' every 6yrs or pick just buy the 'base' (which was the enhanced for 3yrs) at the reduced price as the 'old' base gets phased out. MS have said they want to take the PC format of carrying your games forward with you so it shouldn't matter when you upgrade and it could be more like PC's and replacing your GPU - meaning your existing library still runs but a lot run better.
Its all speculation but MS have indicated that they are looking more to the PC structure rather than a traditional Console generational format. They have indicated that its possible that the X will get games that will not run on a OG XB1 (although they have said that is not currently in their plans at all - just a possibility in the future and something they hadn't ruled out completely). They have spoken about trying to break-away from the concept of generations and want you to keep your library going forward. All of that adds up to me that its more likely that the 'next' box could well be more like an 'enhanced' X that offers an upgrade to games (higher resolution and/or visual settings with higher frame rates). In say 3 or 4 yrs, maybe the new consoles superior CPU will mean that AI, physics etc is too complex for the X so that gets phased out and a 'superior' console comes out. Its not that different from say buying a PC with a Radeon 7790 in 2013, replacing the GPU with a RX580 in 2017, replacing the CPU and GPU with a Zen and Navi in 2019/2020 but in 2019/20, some games state the minimum specs are a RX480 so you either upgrade to the 580 (X) or Zen/Navi (next box) or miss out on that game.
Sony are much more likely to stick to the traditional Console Format. MS has a vested interest in both PC and Console so it seems they are looking to take the best of both and merge them into 1. The main difference is that MS make the Console and its a locked spec and system where as PC's is more open and varied. The 'online' MS ecosystem though between both is becoming the same. If you want to play MS 1st Party exclusives, you have to have an MS account and games you buy from the MS store work on either PC or Console, use the same online servers, have the same 'back-up' file saves (so you can continue playing on either), have the same 'profile, gamerscore etc and so it makes sense to offer 'regular' updated hardware to keep pace with those on PC. Is it really 'generational' if the consoles play all the same games as the 'older' consoles but better? like just upgrading your GPU?
This is my speculation but it makes sense to me. I think a LOT of people can't grasp the concept because consoles have always been done a certain way. MS's original plan for the Xbox was for it to be an affordable gaming PC in a console (plug and play) format. The 360 was more traditional and the XB1 was more of an all in one media box (as we know - hence the name) but the X is getting back to their original concept - since Phil came in, they have really set about making the Xbox more PC like - Able to play your old games, buy and play on Xbox or PC (how long before Game Pass comes to Windows 10). MS seem to be viewing the console in exactly the same way as PC - just that they build the hardware and keep it 'plug and play' for console...
@BAMozzy "They have indicated that its possible that the X will get games that will not run on a OG XB1 (although they have said that is not currently in their plans at all - just a possibility in the future and something they hadn't ruled out completely)."
I didn't know MS had said that. Well if that's the case I can see them making an Xbox 1 X2 - they'll really need to work on their naming - and that has games that can work on X1X and the new one but not X1S. I do think that may cause them some customers though depending on how fast it happens. 3 years from now nobody may care, E3 2019 showing off some X1 only games may turn a few people towards Sony if Sony sticks with what works for them.
I also think they run the risk of turning some of their own fans into PC only players w/ those iterations every 2 or 3 years, but I'm neither an Xbox nor PC gamer so I could be wrong.
Nice call back to the N64 RAM pack, I had forgotten about that one. Though it was easy enough for those N64 owners to upgrade, I doubt X1S owners will be able to simply add more RAM to their machine to play X1X and X1X2 exclusives.
Oh well, maybe 2019 will be the year we start to hear about this stuff, I really hope new consoles aren't all the way out in 2021 and next year is just like this year. If new consoles are 2019 or 2020 they'll start to talk about them next year.
@rjejr What you maybe missing is that the alternative for the OG Xbox One owners would be to upgrade to the next box only - whether it gets a release on the X or not. Its not a case of them not getting something they should 'expect' just because its on X but not denying those on X from playing the games that the console is capable of playing anyway - not writing it off.
The games that won't be on the OG XB1 won't be on the OG XB1 regardless of whether they come to the X or not - they will still have to upgrade regardless BUT if they are on the X, the chances are the X will be a cheaper option and could still get games for another 3+ years. It means those who bought an X aren't 'forced' to upgrade just because the OG Xbox is so weak.
There is a MASSIVE reason for gamers to upgrade within the Xbox family - to keep your entire library and maybe have them run better too. Swapping to Sony just because your old and very dated OG XB1 won't get a game that it can't run but the X will be getting because it can run also means that all your Xbox games are completely redundant where as upgrading to an X or even the 'next' box would mean that only your console is obsolete.
If they want to go down the PC route, the same will occur - at some point your GPU and/or CPU will need to be replaced or you will miss out - despite the fact that the games will still be PC games. If you have a PC that matches the OG XB1 specs, then you will need to upgrade if you want to keep playing but those with an X spec PC won't need to necessarily upgrade for a few more years. You don't expect to own a 'weak' PC that will continue to run games indefinitely or buy a decent spec GPU and then it to suddenly be obsolete because the weaker 'family' can't run the games. By that I mean if you have a GTX750, you will need to upgrade before someone with a GTX1080Ti and you would be annoyed if you bought a 1080Ti and then find out you have to upgrade because the 750 can't play the games.
At the end of the day, a Console upgrade can be a LOT cheaper than buying a new GPU and/or CPU. The way I see it working is that each console gets say 3years as the 'enhanced console and then 3yrs as the base console so you could upgrade every 6-7yrs - you essentially have 1 phase as the 'best' then the second phase as the middle whilst the old base is phased out before becoming the base when you would normally be looking at the end of its life-cycle anyway. If you are more 'keen' to have the best, then you can upgrade every 3yrs or so to keep at the top - have the best visuals and frame rates.
Whether the X does get games that the OG XB1 doesn't or not, they would still have to upgrade anyway because that game will not run on an OG Xbox regardless but then its likely to 6yrs+ old by then in terms of specs. The X will be 4yrs younger so why should it be limited when its perfectly capable just to appease those that wouldn't get the game either way? Like I said, those that 'have' to upgrade, could upgrade to an X (some will certainly be traded in for the next box so will be cheaper), and get another 3/4yrs before they have to upgrade.
Its really selfish to expect those who bought an X to go without just because their weak console is to weak to play and ridiculous not to release games that can clearly run on the X to appease those too - especially as they would have to upgrade to play it anyway. It may upset a few of those on OG Xbox, but its not upsetting those with an X to know that their 'expensive' console with next gen features won't be held back by the weak console.
Like I said, with Game Pass, keeping your library going back 10yrs or more now and knowing that whatever console you buy, it will have a reasonable shelf life and not be 'held back' by the weakest, there is a lot of incentive to stick with MS (whether that's console or PC) if you have been with them a while.
EDIT:- Again this is my perception, reading between the lines, drawing up my own conclusion and speculating on what that could mean. They could of course stick with the traditional console format and 'upset' all those who bought an X by locking it to this generation - the console that they built for their hardcore, dedicated gamers. I think it makes more sense though to go the above route myself...
It’s ok I’m keeping my PS4 for a while plenty of stuff to play for a long time
@BAMozzy Backwards compatibility is certainly a good reason to keep buying new Xboxen as they release. And Gamepass takes care of any games you don't yet own.
So that's people that are already owners upgrading. Not sure if other console gamers want to buy a console that MS treats like a PC with it's confusing names and games. But some might. Wii U owners who feel betrayed by Switch might. Sony has done a good job the past few years of not annoying anyone too much as far as I can tell so they may be harder to convince. I suppose MS could tap into the large PC gamer database and try to gt to move them to expensive consoles, that could work.
I will say this, whatever their plan. MS sure seems to be staying in the console business with it's 5 developer purchases announced at E3. You dont' buy 5 companies just to get out. I tough tif X1X didn't sell well they might throw in the twoel but they seem to be in it for the long haul.
Of course Sega seemed to be in it for the long haul when they replaced Saturn with Dreamcast and we all know how that turned out. Sometimes you are in it until you aren't. Though MS has pretty much bottomless pockets so they could have 8 Saturn and Dreamcast failures and still not run out of money.
Next year we'll see.
I'm getting flashbacks to GTAV. Everyone was saying it was a PS3 title and that it would not scale up to PS4, but I was claiming it will because they make it with hi res assets for PC.
This will definitely be on the PS5. I do understand their problem, if they admit it everyone will conclude they are definitely getting the PS5 so they may as well wait to play it properly and avoid buying it twice.
The strange thing is that the dev is indicating that it won't be out for 2 years and the PS5 will be out in 2 years (2020). That makes the buy twice thing a non entity, so why don't they announce it's next gen as well. The only reason why they would still hide it is if the game was going to come out early in a years time.
@rjejr Its still a console too. People will buy if it delivers on games and a competitive performance in multi-platform titles. You will have those that will buy Sony regardless because its 'MS', but its still a 'console'.
So you may get an 'enhanced' console every 3/4yrs that, unlike PCs, is a fixed spec and a locked system. The console that is 6/7yrs old by this point is phased (no different from what Sony will do) but unlike Sony, the 3/4 yr old enhanced becomes the 'cheap' base unit giving customers a cheap way to play the new games at a 'decent' standard, whilst the new, expensive (as 'new' consoles are) offers a significant step up. Its not like the old days where games went from 2D to 3D and the old consoles couldn't do 3D - its now more about having the performance to cope with size and ambition of the game. The 'next' big thing is likely to be Ray Tracing but that's likely to be a 'few' years before that becomes standard - its not just Consoles but also PC GPU's that would need to support this. HD may well be coming to an end - like SD did - so the main difference between this and next gen consoles is likely to be 'power' to deliver games at higher visual and frame rate rather than a 'fundamental' change like adding 3D graphics. The X already offers next gen features like VRR, Atmos, 4k...
When I say 'phased' out, that doesn't mean that as soon as the 'next' console arrives, the weakest is obsolete. Some games will still release that run on it but those that can't, don't. It could be a couple of years before its not able to play all the AAA releases releasing but by then its no different from any other 8yr old console. MS may just stop making it a few years before then and the X is the 'cheapest' console but unlike the Pro, will get a few more years out of it. If MS encouraged people to buy an X, they would be annoyed if it only lasts a few years - especially if its capable of playing the games that are releasing.
I really don't see it being as complicated as PC's - having a lot of different components releasing every year - Lots of different GPU's etc and knowing where your set-up fits with the minimum/recommended specs. This is 1 console, 1 'fixed' set of hardware.
If MS though want to amalgamate the PC and Console users into one 'online' community - like they seem to be doing, you can't have a console lasting 6-7yrs as the 'only' option. PC's have a power advantage at launch but that only increases over time so by year 5/6, the gap is ridiculous. A console every 3/4yrs keeps pace - even if its not the 'best' specs, its not the worst either. You want to be able to play Halo, Gears etc and be competitive...
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