The Last of Us: Part II has been attracting criticism for its violence ever since its Paris Games Week trailer last year, and this week’s E3 2018 demo prompted a similar backlash. There are people who, quite simply, think the game is too violent. The new gameplay clips showed one character being disembowelled, while Ellie sliced the throats of enemies in an extremely gruesome manner.
For director Neil Druckmann, the intense violence is all a part of the message that the PS4 exclusive is trying to convey. “We’re making a game about the cycle of violence and we’re making a statement about violent actions and the impact they have on the character that’s committing them and on the people close to them,” he told Kotaku.
But is that necessarily “fun” in the way we’d traditionally consider games to be? “We don’t use the word ‘fun’ with The Last of Us,” he explained. “We say ‘engaging’. It needs to be engaging. If the stakes are real, if you are invested in the character and their relationship, you’re going to go through and commit these actions that might – and should be – at times making you feel uncomfortable.”
The previous game in the series forced you into a few actions that made sense for Joel, but didn’t necessarily align with the motives of players. It seems like it’s something Naughty Dog’s eager to repeat: “We like that at times you’re not in line with the character,” he concluded. “It kind of makes you question philosophically: where do I stand on these things?”
[source kotaku.com]
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First game wasn't fun, but I didn't find it to be terribly engaging either.
I think a game that makes the player uncomfortable can still be entertaining, though. Games are, first and foremost, entertainment. Amusement. Same applies to all mass media products.
Yeah I don't think it's too violent exactly. Just the tone of the game.. it starts depressing and gets worse. I had no motivation to play it through again in a hurry. I bet some of the staff are on suicide watch.
urgh why are the maintream press and people so eager to censor everything? if you want to tell a realistic story then you simply have to add some dark,grusome stuff. attempting to censor these things is very insulting to the creator and story teller and ends up in ruining any sort of flow and convincing. this is a game about survival,desperation and love. you can't just cut away the violence that such a situation would bring in real life just because it is sooo dark. that's the whole point! and sure games need to have some fun factor in them but not every game out there should forsake brutal real life situations just to make the game more fun. that's limiting the devs creativity.
What do people think happens if you got sliced in your neck with a machete?
I think the violence perfectly fits the tone of the world the game happens!
Besides people should be more worried with real life violence, not digital violence...like gun control, less wars, not burying newborns in their backyard...things that matter like that
It may be less engaging, but I hope Naughty Dog considers a Horizon-like easy mode that focuses on the story. I would love to follow and complete the story of the first game, but it's just too intense for me. A story mode would come in great.
Seeing the amazing video footage of the sequel, it may be even more intense. Too much for story-seeking me. So if you're reading this, Naughty Dog...
I dunno, it looked like Ellie was having fun, you know what I'm saying?
@Scarbir I mean, naughty dog with later uncharteds did create an explorer mode, so it’s quite possible.
this is what i want and expect from a last of us sequel, Story will surely be good and I believe if the game is engaging and the gameplay feels good it is fun for me. can't wait it looks insane.
No more violent than Game of Thrones.
There are always people that will feel uncomfortable with something.
I'm not comfortable with Detroit: BH. So I chose not to play it, simple enough solution?
@ztpayne7 They did? In 4 and the expansion? In that case I should consider buying them now in the sale...
I agree that the Paris trailer was a bad trailer because it was violence without context but the E3 demo was very clever showing Ellie being both a human and doing violent things. TLOU shouldn't be fun. If there was that level of violence and then Ellie mad a pun, it would be worse in my mind.
@Scarbir they first added it in the uncharted collection. Just double checked and yes it is in 4. The text I read on a site reads: “It is almost impossible to die when the game is set to Explorer mode. Health regeneration is set to 1000% and enemy accuracy is at 5%. However, explosions and melee can still hurt you. Camera and Aim assistance settings are enabled by default.”
I don’t know about lost legacy, but I’m sure it’s in there and a quick google search would help 😄 again, it’s called explorer mode
Nice to say them just come out and say it.
And are people really complaining about the violence in this vid during E3? Did they NOT see the RE2 trailer w/ the guy getting the inside of his neck eaten out? That was messed up.
The world is a horrible place. Saw and Hostel movies exist. Video games are just catching up.
@Rudy_Manchego agree.
you can even see ellie cry when shes stabbing the guy to death. it's not that she enjoys it like gta or something. i bet those people overlooked that.
@jdv95 Same reason you have such contept for multiplayer games I suppose. A faliure to understand certain aspects of both the medium and general audience.
I just won’t let my kids play or see it
@ztpayne7 Does "Explorer mode" make U1 fair? I played U1 on Easy - back on PS3 - and those bullet sponges were still way harder than they needed to be. I've played U2 and every game since on normal and they've been fine. Not to say I haven't died a lot in all of them, but it's usually just my being reckless rather than taking cover to see if I can, rather than if I should. Never really been stuck though if I tried.
Violence in media should serve a purpose. From the trailers I cannot see this purpose. If it's just there for the gross-out-factor and setting a depressing mood, I'd give it a pass (and I love Mortal Kombat since I was 10).
If Druckman is right and there is a hidden formula playing with the concept of violence and player-interaction, it can be good, but nothing I've seen from the trailers so far makes me want to play it .
I don't dig the music, nor the new characters, nor teenage Ellie.
I loved the first one for the father-daughter-usagainsttheworld-dynamic between Joel and Ellie.
If there's nothing similar in this game, I'll give it a pass.
Great graphics and great mechanics all nice and well, but nothing I haven't seen before.
"There are people who, quite simply, think the game is too violent."
Meh. So don't play it. And definitely don't let your kids play it. Aside from that, jog on.
@rjejr I’m actually not entirely sure as I haven’t played it on explorer myself. I beat it first on normal and then a second time on hard (certain parts were a real pain!) But I know that was the intention of explorer mode. I mean, if on uncharted 4 they give you 1000% health regeneration and the enemy only has 5% accuracy (among other things), I think you’d be set on uncharted 1
This mentality could be why I don't like most recent Naughty Dog games I've played. I enjoyed the first TLoU, but the Uncharted series felt like a chore to play through.
“We’re making a game about the cycle of violence and we’re making a statement about violent actions and the impact they have on the character that’s committing them and on the people close to them”
This quote goes in line with where I think/hope they're going with the character of Ellie and it might not be pretty.
The leftist mainstream media are a bunch of pansies, especially when it comes to violence against women, even if the characters performing the violent acts are also women. A man, especially a white male character, getting his head ripped off? Perfectly fine. It's so f'ing stupid and these idiots need to stop being listened to. At least Druckmann seems to be standing his ground on this and TLoU Part II sounds like it will be just like the first game. I always said TLoU wasn't fun but I'm happy it was made and it's one of my favorite games of all-time.
@Gamer83 Or maybe people like different things from games?
@ztpayne7 My teenage son is set to being playing all of the games*, I got him the 3 pack for Christmas, so I'll have to see if it's listed.
*Not Golden Abyss, never got that one.
@Knuckles-Fajita Which is absolutely fine, but I do sometimes get a sentiment from some (not everyone, of course) where it's less "this isn't for me" and more "this shouldn't exist".
The former is absolutely fine, the latter is less palatable IMO.
@rjejr
Resident Evil has been right there with Mortal Kombat pushing the envelope of video game violence since forever. It's just that technology is so much better now than in the 90s. But I remember back in 96 people calling RE 1 'grotesque.' I say if you don't like it's that's fine but that doesn't mean it shouldn't exist like a lot of people love to scream about. I wish somebody in a position of influence would tell these people to grow a pair and if they don't like it, don't play it. That freaking simple.
@Knuckles-Fajita
People like different things? I didn't realize that...
I have no problem with people who don't like violent media. I'm good friends with a lot of people like that. The difference between them and these 'journalists?' My friends don't scream 'I don't like it and neither should anybody else! BAN THIS GAME!'
@Gamer83 I'm ok with it. I'm just surprised anybody even remembered the violence in TLOU2 if they stuck around a little longer and watched that RE2 trailer.
I do recall the trailers from last year generating controversy, but to me it was more the combination of the child abuse in Detroit and the over the top violence in TLOU2 (which I thought was Days Gone Monday night) that made the entire show seem so dark that was the problem more than either 1 alone.
@rjejr
Gotta be honest. I didn't even watch the TLoU Part II stuff, I'm putting myself on a media blackout for it because I don't want anything spoiled before playing it. Due to that, I have no idea how violent the footage actually was, but having played the first game, probably a safe bet it was pretty nasty.
I didn't think RE 2 was any different than what I expected so if that's causing controversy I'd be surprised. Everybody knows what RE is.
TLoU Part II is definitely horrifically violent and depressing. Not for me at all.
But, you know, I found the perfect solution to that: I won't buy it. The devs should be able to design the game they want without moral puritans breathing down their necks over it. It's not like real people are being gutted, after all.
If the game's not fun, why bother?
I think Kotaku's title for their article regarding this was "The Last Of Us Part II’s Violence Is Designed To Be Repulsive".
@Gamer83 I dont' think you missed much, but good luck w/ the media blackout the next 12 plus months, however long it takes. If they put it out any sooner than that they might as well cancel Days Gone. I don't care how different it may be, TLOU2 will kill it if they release too close together. They'll probably hold off on announcing the TLOU2 release date until 2 weeks after Days Gone goes on sale.
@rjejr
Yeah, I don't think it matters when either game comes out, Days Gone is going to struggle because of TLoU, of course it will obviously be worse if both games release within a 3 or so month time frame as opposed to 6 or more. The comparisons will keep being made no matter what. That's why I wish Bend had decided to return to Syphon Filter.
@Gamer83 I watched a bit of the gameplay but skipped the cutscene part.
Gotta be honest, I think ND are taking exactly the right approach to this. I know I have been a bit 'critical' of the first - that Joel isn't a character I like or have infinity with, that the 'structure' of the first was very limited and the story predictable but going back to the 'Joel' point, that made the Last of Us really 'different' and stand out.
So often, the protagonist is 'likeable' and often relatable. Someone who is 'good', if not always in action, in intention. Violence is part and parcel of gaming - whether its 'graphic' like this or not, violence has always been in games. Whether its shooting an 'alien' in Space Invaders/Galaga or jumping on mushrooms to squash them in Mario - if not they will 'kill' you and you will lose a life.
Anyone who says violence in video games or TV leads to violence is greatly mistaken too. Violence is in our history and has been throughout - LONG before TV/gaming came along. You can't tell me that Ivan the Terrible was 'bad' because of watching TV or playing Video Games.
@Scrummer Video games are not always about having 'fun', like playing with toys. 'Games' is probably the wrong word nowadays as that implies that they are just 'toys' and just for fun or the equivalent of boardgames/sports where the objective is to be the 'winner' but are now a media for more interactive story telling. You wouldn't watch something like 'Schindlers List' or 'Irreversible' for 'Fun'. Some will say that 'Horror' films are not 'fun' because they don't like being scared and the same applies with Horror games too. Not being 'Fun' doesn't mean that they don't play well either but that the subject matter, setting etc is not a 'fun' place to be
@Gamer83 My best guess would be the Days Gone devs thought it would release a full year or two before TLoU2 released. Maybe they were hoping to release it before TLoU2 was more than just a name. Maybe they thought TLOU2 would be a PS5 launch title and not have to worry about it.
And who knows, maybe they will release 2 years in advance. Still have a lot of game shows, and the awards show and PSX in Dec. If TLOU2 gets dated then for "2020" they have some breathing room. If it's March 2019 they're in trouble. E3 used to seem like the end all and be all of video game shows, now it just seems like the kick off of a season that lasts until early December. There might be a few shows Jan-June but nothing I'd label as "big".
@rjejr
If TLoU 2 is 2020 then yeah, not much to worry about. Would make me wonder though, if TLoU is that late would you make it cross-gen or just make it one of the big early PS5 games? I think both Sony and MS are going to release new hardware late 2019.
@Ralizah I guess your dead inside then. 😉
And yet with Gears of War we dont hear anything when they saw someone in half what a joke. 😁 😃 😂🤣
Lol okay Druckman. I understand that these people are auteurs but these are video GAMES.
@Flaming_Kaiser You guess my what is dead inside?
@Gamer83 "I think both Sony and MS are going to release new hardware late 2019."
That was me the past few years, but I just recently jumped ship - like 3 days ago in one of these articles about the big 4 games - to early 2020. I know early doesn't make any sense and I gave Nintneod grief for doing it, but it does make sense for Sony if MS isn't pushing new hardware before then. March 2020 would be a good time for H:ZD2 or even GoW 2 if we're lucky. Also, the early adopters will buy in, and it gives them time to make enough stock for holiday 2020. And Japan got the PS4 in Feb so it's old hat to them anyway.
Lets them release a few games in early 2019, Days Gone and maybe Ghosts, before announcing PS5 at E3. If PS5 is holiday 2019 they need to announce it earlier, like Feb again, which cuts down on PS4 game hype after that. That was my original thought until as I said a few days ago. But I feel like now maybe they have enough games for all of 2019, and 3rd party for holiday 2019, so early 2020 would work for new hardware and H:ZD2. Sony seems to like t's big AAA 1st party games in winter, why not their hardware too?
3rd parties could be a factor if Destiny 3 and CoD and BF and Madden want to be in 4k for holiday 2019. They could push for the new hardware. But if they are good w/ 1080p until 2020, so be it.
I do realize they are already doing 4k now for X1X and to a lessor extent for PS4 Pro, just not sure how much extra work it will take for new(er) hardware. I'm just saying EA may have a say if they want to rush 4k or delay 4k another year.
But certainly by holiday 2020 we need next gen hardware, anybody who says 2021 or 2022 has not been paying attention at all to this E3, we barely made it out alive.
@rjejr
Interesting take on it. I still can't see Sony releasing a brand new console before Q3 of whatever year they choose to do so, but with the right day one games (Horizon 2 would certainly qualify), it could work.
@NinjaWaddleDee The term "video game" is very outdated these days cos there's so many genres and gameplay styles that take it away from the arcade days and was needed for the industry to grow.
@Scrummer Because it's not meant to be "fun" in much the same way as Schindler's list wasn't a fun movie to watch.
@Gamer83 "Interesting take on it."
Yeah I spend way too much time on this stuff. Waiting for E3 news to be over so I can take a week or 3 to decompress.
@rjejr
Spend too much time on it myself.
It is incredibly violent, but isn't as shockingly gruesome as the RE2 remake gameplay I've seen. Some of that stuff is NASTY.
@adf86 @BAMozzy It was a Reggie quote from last year's E3. I just meant it as a joke.
Not violent, just a bit more realistic. Killing any live creature/human is not fun and should not be fun. Same should apply to realistic 18+ rated games. If it says 18+ it means it. So, hence that I would play even much more violent game, not because it's fun or I'm maniac or something. Because it gives you some emotions, weight in your actions and thoughts. You will try to avoid excessive kills in that case and switch you brain to more capacity. Someone mentioned GoT movie/series - yea I would like to see some games in the future with matching contents of story, intrigue, violence, and sex.
Am I missing something here? The violence in Last of Us looks normal to me.
People need to lighten up
Why do people care? Don't buy the game if you don't like it.
I think the question that should be asked is "do I like it?" rather than "is this fun?". I don't think the opening of the last of us 1 is fun, but I really like it as it set joel story nicely.
I loved what I saw.
Anyone who enjoys Rated R thriller and horror movies but was turned off by this are hypocrites.
@BAMozzy 'Good' 'comment'. I 'agree' with 'you'.
@Scarbir Last of Us had quiet moments and intense moments, equally gripping by masterful storytelling. This preview seemed way too graphic and intense. Like a horror movie going from intense unease to full on jump scares. I want an engaging story not a lesson on what real violence really looks like. An explorer mode would be nice, but even better, something to tone down the violence. I think I have played every Naughty Dog game on PS3/PS4 and am always excited for each new one, but this is the first time I thought, maybe this one is not for me. It's only one clip and of course out of context with the rest of the game, so we'll see.
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