You won’t be playing on a PlayStation 5 until at least 2019, according to Ubisoft. In an investors call earlier this week, CEO Yves Guillemot declared that he believes new consoles are “a minimum of two years” away. We’d always assumed Sony would release a new system in 2019, too – but we’re actually starting to think it may be 2020 to be honest. It seems we’re on the same page as the French publisher.
“As Sony launched the PS4 Pro last year and Microsoft Xbox One X this year, we think we still have a minimum of two years in front of us before something new is coming,” he explained. “But that's our perception, we don't have any confidential information on that front.” Guillemot added that he believes the mid-gen refreshes are good for the industry, and the additional horsepower will allow it to create better games.
When do you think the next PlayStation will launch? And how do you think the platform holder intends to hold your attention over the next two or three years? Upgrade your hardware in the comments section below.
I think that Sony has a winner with a PS4 and it would be crazy to end that success when sales are still very very good. I think now 2019 announcement for 2020 launch personally.
The thing about the next gen is what it is going to bring the average gamer. 4K and HDR will no doubt be more embedded but I don't think that this is going to be enough to really make people think they need a generation leap so it has to be computational power to allow for better AI, more actions on-screen, better VR etc.
@Rudy_Manchego Agreed, I don't see why Sony wouldn't ride out the success while the PS4 is still selling incredibly well. We need to remember that the thing is up year-on-year, which is impressive. There's even an argument that it's just now hitting its peak, and that's hard to go against when you look at how brilliant this year has been for games.
2020 sounds like the safest bet to me at this point.
Yeah, either 2019, or 2020 if the PS4 keeps continuing to sell well. I thought this year's sales are on par with last year's, and who knows how 2018 will fare? There are plenty of big games lined up for the system.
If they stick with it, I think VR will personally be the thing I'm most excited about next-gen. I absolutely love PlayStation VR, but it's one of those first-gen technologies where the experience is great, but you can imagine how easily it could be improved.
Better motion tracking, higher resolutions, higher framerates, and most importantly a better screen will be transformative in a field that's already quite transformative.
I imagine better CPUs should allow for more ambitious game design outside of VR, too — but with pure graphics, I know we say this every gen, but it's hard to imagine games looking MUCH better than they already do.
@Octane Bizarrely, it's actually up year-over-year! (Though I doubt they'll match last year's holiday sales.)
Welp, time for me to upgrade to a PS4 Pro.
@ShogunRok Yep, I know that people have gone on that this gen won't last as long as last gen but a reason for that was that sales were good. Sales are good now plus the Pro and X are generous refreshes.
@get2sammyb Yep - I hope that a new gen also has a companion VR device for those that want it. A console designed with a companion VR would make the whole setup easier as well and could hopefully be lighter etc.
nah 2021 word up son
The longer each console generation the better imo.
2020 sounds about right, it means the PS4 would have had a good run and it's about the normal length of a console generation
PS4 is fine, Lrn2Play. ..... okay sorry I had to. Too many years with wow.
Yeah thinking 2019 or 2020. Basically whenever it’s ready. When the tech they target is ready and when they can do it at $400.(Would be nice if this place had a discord)
I'm in no hurry. The PS3 hung around a little too long, perhaps, but the PS4 is still firing on all cylinders.
I think we've only just hit the good part of PS4's lifecycle, so honestly I would think 2020-2021. But maybe that's just me wanting support for longer.
Day 1 if it's backward compatible with ps4
Been saying 2020 all along .
And this is why I love the mid-gen upgrades. I don't need them, but they extend the life cycle. They also raise the bar of what next gen consoles have to be, as the PS5 can hardly be inferior to Xbox One X.
PlayStation is also in such a dominant position that they are going to stretch it as long as they can.
The PS4 will go on to have the greatest game library of all time...until PS5 which will be backwards compatible.
Fine with me. I'm still happy with my Pro.
I can see a Q4 2018 release. It has nothing to do with the Xbox One X or the 'success' of the PS4 but looking more to the future and being at the forefront. The Pro isn't a 4k console - in every area, there is massive room to 'improve' to deliver the full 4k and 'next gen' console. Because of the scope and looking ahead, rather than look at the competition and rest on the 'success' of the PS4, there is the opportunity to deliver the full 4k, inc High res textures etc. Atmos audio, 4k HDR Bluray, Freesync etc.
Of course they could hold out for Q42019 but I really can't see it going much further beyond that. We are already seeing a drop in standards as games get more complex. Of course the games are still looking great etc but we are seeing more dynamic scaling games and averages dropping, more unlocked and under-performing frame rates. I know Exclusives may well perform 'better' because they are built specifically with the specs of the hardware they are releasing on. However the general 3rd Party multi-platform games are having to make more and more compromises to bring their games to these consoles. In a few years, its possible that the Pro won't offer any of the 'big' new releases at UHD resolutions - offering 1080p whilst the base offers less than 900p (like Tekken 7 for example). Whilst that is 'good enough' whilst there are still many without 4k TV's, its not exactly offering a lot to those of us with 4K.
Point is anyway, that games are increasingly pushing way beyond what these consoles can offer. Whilst they do scale down well, they are nw having to scale down below the 'standards' we were getting just to run and that will only continue to decline as we move forward.
The Pro is just a PS4 and whilst it does offer a 'higher' resolution in most cases, its not a 'reset' to the generation and its still tied to the PS4 and what it can offer. The fact is, games have surpassed the hardware and that gap is growing and will continue to grow.
You also want to give your customers the option to upgrade to a PS5, not feel they have to on release. There is always a cross-over phase and whilst I think it makes most sense to bring a PS5 sooner rather than later, that doesn't mean I think the PS4 is redundant or 'dead'. I am sure that 'most' games could still scale down and be playable on a PS4 - even if they have to use 720p or 1080p with CB rendering. It has more 'headroom' to survive longer than the XB1 for example which already has games dropping to 720p.
Like I said though, its not about what MS has - although I am sure Sony would like to take back the 'most powerful' console tagline, but about building a console for the current and future. As more an more upgrade to 4k, more and more games being built bigger, more complex and for 4k, the PS4 (and XB1 - just so you know I am NOT being Bias) are increasingly struggling to run the current games at the standards we were used to and this standard will continue to drop and drop. In a year or two, the only 'full' HD on consoles will be the Pro and X (although some games will obviously be above 1080p) because the PS4 and XB1 cannot cope with 1080p visuals at a 'playable' frame-rate. Sony don't yet have a '4k' console (dynamic 4k is not 1800p CB, is not 1440p or 1300-1550p - that's like calling the XB1 'dynamic 1080p' when games are 720-900p at 'best'. CB4k or native 4k that may drop to 1800p in extreme circumstances is 'dynamic' 4k. You wouldn't buy a 1440p monitor and call that a 'dynamic 4k' monitor.
Sorry if that 'offends' any PS fanboy when I say the Pro is NOT a 4k console and suddenly resetting the PS4 timeline. Fact is, its a PS4 that, like the Slim, will be replaced when the Slim/OG PS4 reaches the end of its 'life cycle'. No way was it built to last 7yrs (2020) and many thought it was 'too weak' for 2013. The CPU is poor and very limiting (yes I know both the X and Pro use the same basic CPU and yes its limiting there too). So many games that could have been 60fps with a better CPU but no, MS and Sony both put the GPU as the 'focus' which is why we see 'prettier' games but not so much in the way of 'evolution' of games. Its why we see more 'enhanced' visual modes on Pro/X and fewer 60fps options. Even then, these consoles can't run games at a locked 60fps with 1080p visuals. I know a LOT of people hoped the Pro would offer UHD or 60fps options - double the GPU double the frame rate right? wrong!! Its the CPU that limits it.
I know most of you here will think Q42018 is 'too soon' because of the Pro being 2yrs old. BUT if Sony hadn't bothered with a Pro, the 5yr Old PS4 isn't unrealistic to expect a 'next' gen console - especially as the 4k market is growing rapidly. I bet many would be thinking Sony would have to bring a 4k console to the market sooner rather than later as they see their 'favourite' games no longer looking quite as sharp as they did, maybe not running as smoothly. I also bet, if you could play games like Days Gone. God of War, Spider-Man, Last of Us 2 etc in full 4k 60fps with High Res textures, high quality visual settings and next gen spatial audio or 900-1080/30 on a PS4 or 1440p/30 (maybe even CB1800/2160) with the same basic visual settings that 'look good' - as we know they do already, most, if they can afford it and/or have a 4k HDR TV already, would jump at the chance. Its about delivering the games at the highest quality for the upcoming future. I know they look good on a PS4 or a Pro but that's not the level the devs are making games to. Its the fact that they cutting more and more from the PQ, from performance with every new game and we only get to see a part of what could be offered. The reason U4 was 30fps in campaign and only 900p in MP was because the Devs were limited by hardware - it wasn't their ambition as ND was targeting 1080/60fps but had to compromise. How many games are 30fps because of console limitations? how many games use dynamic resolution or even have to settle for 900p or lower? As I said its not about what Sony have sold, what the competition are doing its about offering a proper 4k console for it customers and a platform that doesn't require so much compromise or held back by a less powerful machine. Being at the forefront and cutting edge of gaming - at least as far as console gaming. If its not Q4 2018, I really can't see Sony waiting beyond Q4 2019
@DLB3 Exactly. It's cost consumers less , saves space and money on new accessories for a new console, and technological jumps are bigger and more spectacular if more time passes.
To be honest I think PS4 could handle 5 more years perfectly well! I think it has much more to give...but if you want to kill it already, go ahead...
It better be awhile longer than that.
...I think they really need to look at doubling-down the user experience and focusing on FPS next... they need to a) nail 4K native (no more checkerboarding) then they need to b) ensure 60FPS (especially for racing games, etc.) - I've just got the new XB1X, and oh my word is Forza 7 a genuine tour de force... and of course c) PSVR 2.0 needs a resolution bump and more grunt to give even more detail (especially with draw distances)... alongside improved camera and totally revamped controllers... and of course a 4TB hard drive for all the 4K content that comes with it!
@BAMozzy To much text for me the 4K is nothing special. The PS4 is good enough and i get massive amounts of games why would i care. Nintendo is not my favorite but atleast they bring great games with minor hardware that is something special. If you see what Naughty Dog can push out of the PS4 its great. The Xbox X brings 4K graphics i rather have more games and more different games.
'' One simple thing its all about the games ''
You can push the graphics all the way but that is not why i bought a PS4 over the Xbox and it's not the price. Its games not only more games but different games, special games, risky games, blockbuster games. Be my guest and say graphics are the only future ill take SOTC, The last Guardian, Gravity Rush over any 4K Forza, GoW, Halo game any day Uncharted only is cherry on top of the cake.
Oh yeah and i forgot Horizon. 😁
PS4 is still in a crescendo. Remember that The Last of Us came in the final year of the PS3, iirc. The best is yet to come for the PS4.
Damn, you wrote "whilst" many times!
For me its way too long between generations it always has been. I would like to see a proper new console every 3 years no the half baked measure like the PS4 Pro.
Is he saying this because he knows that Beyond Good and Evil 2 will be a PS5 game?
Likely 2020/2021 . The thing is what kind of hardware will be available in that timeframe (that can fit on a console size / thermal design ). Ps4 is doing good and even as a low end hardware, games are looking good. Anyway developers can only do so much with the given specs, so for real next-gen games I think we should get something like 16 CPU cores (and way faster IPC than current jaguars), 20/24GB RAM sounds good and whatever GPU is available (looking at Xbox X, we can guess two years from now there will be something nice around).
I really prefer not having a PS5 on the market until the specs are something like this, otherwise the power for crazy new things on games will be very limited. CPU cores/speed and RAM qty/speed is the bottleneck I think. GPU will be ok.
@Flaming_Kaiser I knew you would comment!! You have never seen a proper 4k game running on a quality 4k display then. the difference is certainly enough of a generational leap.
As you say, its about the games and currently games are having to make big sacrifices to run on console - whether that's capping frame rates to 30fps or even dropping visual settings and resolution is just 1 setting that is not 'optimal'. I bet if you could play ALL of Sony's exclusives at 60fps, you would much prefer that to 30fps. If you had a 4k TV, you would also know how 'soft' 1080p looks - let alone lower resolutions, how much detail is lost, how blurry it looks - this is why the Pro at 1440p makes a noticeable difference. The uptake of 4k is much faster than the uptake for HD was.
The point of a PS5 is likely to be to bring the best quality 'visuals' and that is 4k HDR - its far superior to 1080p SDR. The quality of the visuals is 'dropping' - whether that's as simple as just a lowering of the base resolution or more complex like using shorter draw distances, lower quality shadows, reflections, etc. Its also impacted on how games 'play' and feel too. Like I said its not just how 'pretty' they look but how well the frame rate holds up and now with 'dynamic' scaling, how well the PQ holds up. If the resolution is dropping anytime something happens on screen, you are losing quality. Inability to hold onto a constant frame-rate can ruin good games.
The fact is the PS4 is not capable of delivering the full HD across the board. OK so a game built specifically for the hardware may hit 1080p and deliver a decent performance but when the majority of games are having to make more and more sacrifices to visual or performance quality, then its time to think about the future. That includes 'exclusives'. PS4's may look 'decent' and play well at 30fps but on a PS5 could look much better (higher res, higher quality textures, higher quality visual settings - like draw distance, shadows etc, play at 60fps with no drops or frame pacing issues and have a much higher quality audio too. Its better than having ND have to settle for 30fps, 1440p at best with PS4 level textures, lighting, shadows etc. Ok so you are not missing out on playing them at a certain' standard but not at the standards you could be playing it - how much more Sony devs could achieve without having to be constrained by a poor CPU, low RAM and limited (by modern standards) GPU.
Games are super important but you also need the hardware to make sure these deliver the full experience - not a scaled down for consoles version. Its not just about a jump in resolution either - although 4k on a 4k screen is a significant jump up - but game-play enhancements and less obvious limitations of hardware issues - like pop-in or screen tear. Having more power isn't suddenly going to make games 'worse', any less playable but the opposite - to enhance titles beyond what they can currently offer. I don't want 1080p or less upscaled to 4k visuals - hence I bought a Pro and X. I want games to evolve too - not just get 'visual' upgrades but with the CPU limiting a lot of directions games could go, Sony could lead the way with a PS5.
meh 4k.. better to wait til 2021 and make a capable 8K console, which will be the new 4K. gives guerrilla almost 5 years to make horizon 2 look prettier than real life...
I think the bigger games with start to struggle and have to be scaled back for the PS4 the longer they keep it. PUBG will be a good test if it comes out on PS4.
@leucocyte I'm hoping to see HZD2 on PS5 . That would be insane. Let alone Naughty Dog's, whatever they do.
I wonder if ubisoft will make a game by the end of 2019 that I will buy.
Yeah I feel 2020 sounds about right. For some reason in my head PS4 still feels new even though it's quite a few years old!
I only grabbed my PS4 early this year, so 2 years or longer before the next one is fine with me. I'm in no hurry for a PS5.
Xbox One X has given Sony another year I feel, so an announcement in 2019 for a release in 2020 seems pretty solid to me
@get2sammyb psvr2 will be the great thing. Surely will address current gen issues and then some.
I have no idea, but will say 2020 because most others did
I like PS4, and won't be be rushing to get PS5 when it's released; I held out a year for PS4 before getting it. The idea of VR leaves me cold to be honest; I really don't want to be that immersed in a game. Also, how will I look up how to do everything on YT without taking the mask on and off all the time?
Can't forget that many exclusives are still coming in 2019 on PS4, games like The Last of Us 2 and Ghost of Tsushima. Maybe Japan Studio's new game too?
I use to care about longevity of a console. However getting the Pro has radically changed me. I really dig better graphics and performance over vanilla PS4. Well worth the upgrade cost path. So here's my head in the cloud dream... PS5 is bigger and better BUT also plays my current library of PS4 games. If PS5 came out in 12months time I'd get one. Just sell my current console and upgrade up baby!
I’m all into VR and looking forward to the next gen. By 2020 lightweight and standalone VR with inside-out tracking will be the standard.
So as always: software sells hardware! And I‘ll be where the software is.
I think games have peaked graphically, resolution will most certainly be 4k but more important than anything is a really stable frame rate.
I'm all for a good looking game but if love a smooth experience with at least a consistent 60fps
PS5 isn't even a thought for me. PS4 has so many games my backlog is enormous.
@playstation1995 while 2021 is a possibility. I think 2020 is more likely. Technical difference between PC and console will be at a point where.
Right now for the same price you get a GeForce GTX 1060 or a PS4
while ps4 pro/ xbox x you get a GeForce GTX 1070.
From this we see that for the regular version now you are better of buying PC GPU.
The pro version is on par.
which means that next year the pro version will satrt being beaten by PC. But not enough to make people complain.
By the second year the difference will be such that people would start complaining about difference between PC and console (2019) which means sony could announce the PS5 to tell them we know and have the solution.
That gives us 2020 for PS5.
That's my 2cents
@Rudy_Manchego @Rudy_Manchego Agreed and I hope this turns out to be true.
This will be my very first year with a PS4 finally and I'd like to have at least 3 years with it still being the latest PlayStation.
New console generations have little meaning without proper exclusive titles to back them up. I got my Pro mainly for GT Sport and ended up very disappointed with the lacking PSVR support and with the whole "online oriented" attitude some exclusives currently tend to impose. Definitely won't be making the same mistake with any upcoming gaming platform.
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