This is actually a brilliant little video: Sony put Guerrilla Games' managing director Hermen Hulst and Naughty Dog's creative director Neil Druckmann in an up-market coffee shop and filmed them chatting for 25 minutes. The conversation mostly centres around Horizon: Zero Dawn, but it does deviate to other topics like Uncharted: The Lost Legacy and The Last of Us: Part II.

In the clip, the uber-talented twosome talk about how Guerrilla Games settled upon the concept of Horizon: Zero Dawn, the decision to run with a female lead, and much more. The pair also chat about the challenges of prolonged development cycles, dealing with difficult feedback on forums such as NeoGAF, and much more.

It's a really honest chat that doesn't really have any structure but is both extremely informative and, in some ways, quite inspiring. The industry icons are clearly both extremely intelligent, and there's a mutual respect that underlines the conversation without being overbearing. It's well worth watching in its entirety, as videos like this don't really pop up very often.