There are two certainties in life: the first is that we'll all die, and the other is that you can't compete with a console launch. While many paragraphs will be written about last night's Nintendo Switch presentation, the folks at Guerrilla Games will probably be too bummed to read them – after all, its big new intellectual property is currently scheduled to launch the same week as the House of Mario's all-new system. Awkward.
Horizon: Zero Dawn seemed to be on the home straight this week: a new cinematic trailer rekindled hype in the role-playing release, while talk of a delay turned out to be a clerical error. But now the game must launch days before Nintendo deploys its latest device, and whatever your thoughts on it – let's just say there's some colourful language out there – we're not convinced that the Killzone developer's latest can possibly hope to compete.
Mindshare matters in this industry – especially when you're a new intellectual property with an unproven track record. Whether it turns out to be the best thing since bog brushes or not, the Nintendo Switch will suck all of the air out of the room – and that stands to suffocate Aloy and her allies. It's bloody unfortunate seeing as Guerrilla Games stamped its name on the date first, but things don't work like that.
Horizon's release date either needs to move forward or backwards, but it can't stay where it is
It's not just the new console, though – there's also The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild to consider. It's a game that Horizon has been compared to for some time: they both share vast open worlds and mechanics-driven combat – but one is unlike the other. Even if Horizon reviews well – and it almost certainly will – there are very few brands that can compete with the kind of furore that surrounds a new Zelda game, let alone an unestablished one.
In short, Sony has some decision making to do. Everything we've heard suggests that the platform holder wants to turn Horizon into its next big brand, but with its current release date, it's not going to get off to the best start in life. The game either needs to be moved forward or backwards, but as far as we're concerned, it can't stay where it is. With the date rapidly approaching, the manufacturer's going to have to make a call quick.
Do you think Horizon: Zero Dawn can survive with its current release date, or does it need to get out of the way of the Nintendo Switch? Go tribal in the comments section below.
Should Sony move Horizon: Zero Dawn away from the Switch? (161 votes)
- Yes, Horizon can't compete with a new console's mindshare
- Meh, I don't know and don't care
- No, Sony should stick to its guns and just put the game out
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I wouldn't be too fussed about the Switch release affecting it but then Switch and new Zelda, especially as Zelda is launching on Wii U, I think a lot of people will be on top of that over Horizon.
Why move it? I watched the livestream of Switch and all it did was convince me to hold off buying it for sometime. Other than Zelda what games does it have at launch? Yes that game looks great but I won't be paying over £300 just to play that. I may get one but I think that will be much closer to the launch of Mario if anything when there will be some more games and that price point is too high. When you consider how few people have access to the new Zelda in comparison to Horizon I don't see it being a big deal for Sony
No at the beginning of March I'll be buying both Horizon and Nier Automata day one and a few weeks later Persona 5
The switch will be the next bust of an attempt from Nintendo to compete with MS and Sony. It has its set audience. The ps4 is the highest selling console atm and HZD will only help improve that stat. Anyone remotely interested in the switch won't have HZD on their list anyway.
Nothing to fear!
The only thing that the Nintendo Switch presentation convinced me of was that I won't be buying the Nintendo Switch at launch, if at all. Roll on, Horizon: Zero Dawn.
Are there many people taking the 'Switch' seriously?
A low grade tablet with a TV dock and some cheap fiddly controllers that touts a 5 year old game (Skyrim) as proof of its capabilities.
Yes they must move it.. earlier!!!
I wasn't impressed with the presentation either, but you can't compete with the mindshare console launches bring. And this one happens to have a Zelda game, too.
Horizon's share of media attention will be quarter of what it would have been before the Switch's date was announced. And mindshare is very important in this industry.
Can't see any reason why they would move it. Similar game releasing on the same console on the same day? Yeah, consider moving. But for this? Why?
Ugh that 2-6 hour battery life though.
Can't get the switch at launch because of my PS4 breaking down and needing to get a new one. Not sure I would have gotten one at launch now anyway.
Who cares about the switch? Those who posses the ps4 will buy horizon and those the the wii u zelda. I can see that beign a problem if they were both on the same system but they are not
Nintendo turned its hardware into a completely different beast, they arent shooting for the PS4 market or 4K HDR gaming. So I think they're fine with Horizon's release date staying where it is.
@kyleforrester87 "Mindshare matters in this industry – especially when you're a new intellectual property with an unproven track record. Whether it turns out to be the best thing since bog brushes or not, the Nintendo Switch will suck all of the air out of the room – and that stands to suffocate Aloy and her allies. It's bloody unfortunate seeing as Guerrilla Games stamped its name on the date first, but things don't work like that."
Probably have to delay it, which p*sses me the hell off. I'd rather play this game than anything I've seen for the Switch, except maybe that new Mario game, that looked hype.
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I think they should bump it forward a week, but I don't think it'll cause a difference in sales of they stay put just cut down on press exposure.
Horizon might get less media attention day 1, but the hype train for the game is bigger then switch to least for Ps4 console owners. Now if someone was thinking of buying a console Horizon could have been a selling point, but yes the media attention will be drawn to Switch.
Honestly cant see it having any impact at all...HZD has been around long enough and people have seen enough of it to know all they need to know, and i dont see switch being a big deal here in uk on day one, people that buy new tech just because its new and the Nintendo fans will be out in force but i dont think it will be breaking any sales records, sony and gg can just keep going with whatever marketing they have planned for HZD no worries
All the comments about The Switch on my timelines this morning have not been kind, at all. Horizon doesnt interest me in the slightest and neither does The Switch, but I dont think Sony or this game have anything to worry about. The switch is just a new underpowered, over priced Wii U in the making.
Ramp up the marketing, show more gameplay to win over the undecided players, livestream plays etc moving the game would do more damage to the game, as it would be admitting they have no faith in it to compete.
If they want this to be their next big IP then Sony need to put the work in now to make it so.
@gmxs Oh, they're going to market the absolute crap out of Horizon, no question. But one thing I've observed doing this job particularly this generation is that there seems to be a correlation between how much mindshare games have and how well they perform.
I just don't see how Horizon, even with PS4's install base and a marketing siege, is able to overcome a new console and a Zelda game.
Yes, just move it 2 weeks to 14 or 15 march 2017, it's hard to compete with a console launch.
Although I don't plan to buy the switch, the total price of it is more expensive than the pro, $300 console + $70 pro controller + $68 sandisk 200gb sdcard. And unlike wii u, you must pay for playing online
I think the sales won't be too affected. The reviews might... A lot of comparison to Zelda BOTW are a given sand I am pretty convinced BOTW will review much better.
@get2sammyb Its a fair point, but its going to cost at least £340 just to get the Switch and Zelda on launch, Beyond the Nintendo fans I really really cant see people rushing out to buy The Switch day one / launch week when all there is Zelda and some nonsense called Swtch 1-2.
I think most people are gonna wait for more games to be released before getting a Switch, I honestly dont think Sony have anything to worry about, sure a few sales might be lost but not enough to do any damage to the game, and sales longevity is more important than a Launch Day / Week boost anyway.
No, SIE should stick with the date. PS4 has M50+ user base, plus HZD will be released before the Switch. Yes, mindshare will have an affect now, Zelda is far more popular than Horizon and Sony knows it. I don't think majority of people are going crazy over the Switch now, but it's a task for SIE to market Horizon and retain and maintain that mindshare.
Nope.
I'm wanting to get Horizon with a Pro when it launches. I don't care for the Switch or anything Nintendo do, so it's an irrelevance as far as I'm concerned; go ahead and release as planned.
No. Creating a vacuum for your competition to launch in so they are completely unchallenged is not a good move. Continue business as normal.
50 million odd existing ps4 users says no to me. Why should Sony move it. They have generated plenty of hype and goodwill towards Horizon over the past year that launch of switch is unlikely to have a massive impact. Frankly I would be more worried if Sony does move the launch because it would suggest they arnt confident in the product. There is a swagger and confidence to Sony this gen that is admirable and suggests they wont be overly concerned about switch at this stage. Dropping the last guardian in November amongst all the big hitters rather than delaying to spring is an example of this.
Im not underestimating the launch of switch btw, particularly as zelda looks stunning, but Nintendo do not seem to have convinced enough people last night to buy one. Why get a switch at £280 with only 32 gb memory, no games and horrendously priced peripherals, when you can get a ps4 and uncharted 4 for 200? The Nintendo die hards will buy one, but I think many people will hold off. When I looked this morning, amazon wanted 80 quid for zelda. Surely a placeholder price as that is ludicrous.
@wiiware delaying to mid March would put Horizon too close to Mass Effect. I feel that would be a bigger threat to Horizon's fortunes than switch
If Sony are "worried" about teh hardware side, then they should be marketing the crap out of a PS4 Pro + Horizon bundle for the same price (or less) than a Switch + Zelda
@daveofduncan Uh...I have money put away for the Switch and Zelda and Mario for it, but I also have Horizon paid for in full as a preorder. I love nintendo, but it seems recently (since the Wii era) nothing has taken me away from Sony.
I don't really think Sony has a lot to worry about, but it may be better to move it a week or two, just so it doesn't hurt sales too much. People will still buy the Switch and a few games for it, and they'll forget what games are coming out on Sony and Microsoft that day...just saying, that Sony and Microsoft fans will still buy Nintendo's next. It may be good to hold back on releasing the game by a week or two, just so it doesn't flop too much (which I'm sure it won't flop, but it's better to release it later and get the full amount of users to buy it). Other than that, the game looks amazing!
I have my Pro and 4K TV ready for H:ZD, even have the Collector's edition pre-ordered.
People were nervous about H:ZD just because of Killzone: SF and the fact it's such a departure from what they've done before, however, as more footage gets released, interest seems to be gaining momentum (the opposite it seems for the Switch since the presentation).
Also, if Nintendo are forecasting 2m Switch sales by the end of March (optimistic I think as the Wii U took almost 3 years for 10m) then I believe those that are going to buy one, won't be swayed either way.
For those that are the "I can only afford one" consumers, then £350 is a completely different level to £50, so it's easier to compare those that are looking at buying a PS4 + H:ZD to those that are contemplating the Switch + Zelda, rather than the 50m+ that already have a PS4 and are looking for their next game (which Rob rightly pointed out, ME:A is a far bigger threat).
@get2sammyb I agree. The Last Guardian is an amazing game, but it didn't sell too well. No Man's Sky (granted reviews and disappointments from some people) was also a great game...I've been enjoying it, but it failed too. Horizon looks incredible, but Zelda has a large and huge fanbase and there are Sony fans that are also Nintendo fans (I'm one of them). I guess, I'd get Zelda first if I saw both in stores (sorry to say I have Zelda and Horizon preordered and paid off, so no biggie to me), but it all depends on people...the Wii U owners will pick up Zelda (and the install base on the Wii U is very low) and I'm sure some people will buy the switch on day one and purchase Zelda (again not a lot, unless their presentation today showcases more launch games)...but Sony's install base is huge, and we've been looking forward to Horizon since they first announced it, so I do think Sony should hold off on releasing it at least a week after the Switch's launch...just to give it the proper momentum it deserves...the game company does need to pay their employees and the company itself wants to earn it's money, so it's kind of business sense!
Nope. Based on that presentation they have nothing to fear.
If anything Nintendo should delay the Switch. Looks like they've still got some work left to do...
@get2sammyb I get where you're coming from with the mindshare thing but of the 50 million PS4 owners how many really care what Nintendo are doing? Not to mention that what I've seen online apart from the usual Nintendo die hards, that presentation was a bit of a letter down and it seems like that console isn't even ready for launch, with no games apart from one which has already been made for Wii U.
Simply put not many will either have access to a Wii U or be buying this at launch to play 1 game and for the rest of us we still want to buy games and Horizon is one many PS4 owners have been waiting for. As Nintendo are so keen to point out these days they really aren't competing in the same market anymore
@get2sammyb I think you are right on the money. Remember when someone tried to launch another cartoony MOBA at around the same time as Overwatch? Ya, no one else does either.
I said no, but I'm just stubborn and wasn't at all impressed with the switch presentation. I am smart enough to address the fact that zelda is releasing though....and I did preorder my wiiu copy after watching the trailer last night. Mostly to secure a physical copy since nintendo tends to run limited prints.
I'd say delay it a week later, or better yet, step up to the plate and release it a week early! I didn't really see it being a huge seller in the first place, but if they're confident in their work, and want max sales, they need to do something.
@Rob_230 Maybe release it at 7 march, at 1st march I think all of gaming website news is about nintendo, and horizon review will be burried.
@get2sammyb i know im a little off topic but do you think if the switch doesn't sell well(like wii-u type numbers) nintendo will be like sega and just stick to making games? I would love to play a zelda on ps4 pro. Now with the topic. With 50+ mil ps4 sold i don't think Sony should be worried about anything, not everybody is able and willing to buy a new system. The switch will draw attention away from hzd but as far as affecting sales, i doubt it. would only delay it again if the game is not finished, don't forget HZD is one of the most anticipated games this year, bring it on Sony
I'm a huge Nintendo fan but frankly I'm more hyped for Horizon than Switch. I'll probably wait to buy the Switch until I'm fully finished with Horizon.
If you changed "Switch" in the tile to "Zelda:BotW" then maybe I'd consider it, but Switch is no match for HZD. And HZD releasing a few days before Switch and Zelda gives them time. (In the US, I forget the EU/UK date.) I think same day might have been an issue, but 3 days earlier is enough.
And besides, HZD is Zelda BotW, but w/ photorealistic graphics, and for some people those graphics are an improvement. So HZD can actually piggyback on Zelda marketing. I think it's a win.
13m Wii U + 2mil Swtich at launch = 15m
50mil PS4.
That's enough of an install base gap not to worry at all about Zelda, just thank Nitneod for reminding people HZD will release first.
Unless there's a very, VERY, strong launch lineup, the switch will have a hard time at first. It doesn't have the casual appeal of the wii (your nan wouldn't play it), and it doesn't have the goodwill of a stellar previous console. If they hadn't abandoned the wii u so thoroughly, then consumers would be more assured that the switch would be supported. As is, it's not going to instill confidence.
It's a shame, as I've always had a bit of a soft spot for Nintendo, but it's nobody's fault but their own.
Horizon is going to sell well, but not phenomenally at first. It'll pick up and become a decent seller through word of mouth.
Unless it's shabite, in which case it'll bomb.
Sony knew Switch and possibly Zelda would release in March since last year.
Let it be. Zelda will sell for months after release. I plan to get both and I am not the only one.
@get2sammyb Sony cant afford to seem intimidated by the Switch. That would set the internet trolls ablaze and actually do as mauch damage to HZD mindshare as not moving the release date would.
It won't do much harm, yes Zelda is coming but the launch line up and the price (well here in the UK) is a bit of a turn off.
@PlaytendoGuy how much is it? I know it's 299 USD.
The Nintendo Glitch will bomb. But I am getting BotW on Wii U...
As far as Horizon, keep the date and destroy The Glitch.
Then put the new GoW game out on Scorpio's date and destroy that too.
@THRILLHOU £279 gbp
Even if Zelda is releasing at the same time, will the install base be enough to sell more than Horizon:ZD? We already know the PS4 has a much larger install base than the WiiU and no doubt some of those WiiU owners will be the ones buying the Switch and Zelda.
Sony still need to consider its user base. So maybe some Sony gamers will be forced to choose between buying Horizon or spending a LOT more on a console to play Zelda. However a lot will be more disappointed IF Sony opt to delay Horizon:ZD again - its already been delayed into 2017.
Visually Horizon looks stunning and blows everything that Nintendo showed away with its quality. I know that Visuals are only part of the a game and game-play etc is very important too. There will always be people that will prefer one game over the other and Zelda does have the long standing franchise behind it.
Sony though have known that Nintendo were planning to release its Switch and Zelda around this time. Looking at the games due out, Horizon is perhaps their biggest to offset Nintendo's thunder and delaying releases plays more into Nintendo's hands than it does benefit Sony or their Users. With no games releasing, maybe more people will buy Switch and Zelda for something to play whilst waiting. By having a big game, like Horizon, not only are they delivering games for their users, they are making a statement that Sony has games to compete with franchises like Zelda.
I have had Horizon: Zero Dawn pre-ordered now for 7-8months now. Its my most anticipated release of 2017 and can't wait to play on PS4 Pro and 4k HDR TV. Soon after that comes out, Mass Effect: Andromeda will be arriving and again looking forward to playing that on my Pro too. I certainly won't be forking out £280 to play Zelda regardless...
46days to go and counting....
Couldn't agree less! People with PS4 and that are hyped for the game will buy it, even if they want Nintendo Switch! I will probably get the console by selling my WIIU...but I know perfectly well that Zelda will be vastly inferior to Horizon, just by looking at gameplay!
So I hope Sony just release the game and it will do fine!
It shouldn't be a problem, the Switch presentation was alright but I won't get it day 1.
Nah. Horizon will sell fine. Nintendo has some great games coming, but most of them aren't even launch titles.
Horizon is one of my rare preorders. Would be a bummer if the release gets delayed. Wouldn't mind if they release the game a few weeks earlier though
Sony should release Horizon on time precisely because the Switch is launching. It's an opportunity to distract people from the Switch with a rather graphically impressive and massively hyped game and show just what the console can do compared to the competition. For non-PS4 owners who are on the fence it's an opportunity to draw them in - particularly enticing given how much cheaper the PS4 is than the Switch. Switch may have mindshare, but Sony won't want to allow Nintendo to dominate it.
People that have been really looking forward to Horizon will buy it anyway, Switch or no, and the PS4's audience is sufficiently large that I think it will weather this one. Even if launch sales are impacted, the title may be a slow burn throughout the year.
It might even help the sales actually! People will go in to stores to get the Switch, but noting Nintendo's track record, it will be way OOS, as they didn't properly prepare, the Wii U version of Legend of Zelda, though we don't have confirmation, likely won't be out March 3rd, and then they will be directed elsewhere, where Horizon, another new game that will be heavily advertised might get their attention, boosting PS4 sales in the process.
It may work to it's benefit. But yeah, 53 million people have a PS4. 0 have a Switch. And Horizon comes out first. I think it will be fine. SONY has nothing to worry about.
@get2sammyb the switch looks horrible.no way.for Zelda are you a comedian
Nintendo should switch to another console after that horrible presentation.
The Switch is a neat device and do hope Nintendo makes up for the WiiU. That being said, Sony has nothing to worry about with N's new system launch - Nintendo has its audience, Sony has theirs.
horizon zero look way better than Zelda.so why .Zelda don't look good.even God of war look better than Zelda.I would take God of war over Zelda anytime.Zelda been around since 87.God of war 2004.God of war is my favorite PlayStation franchise of all time.so God of war for me
What happened the last time someone went head to head with PlayStation ?
In all honesty though Nintendo aren't what they were 20 years ago. Sony have nothing to worry about.
@drd7of14 On Nintendo's website it states Zelda is indeed launching March 3rd on wiiu, which is the only reason I pre-ordered. Plus in most regions it's cheaper than the switch version, so it is a bit of a threat.
I don't know about Horizon vs the Switch and Zelda, but in late 2017 Super Mario Odyssey is going to clobber Knack 2.
I'm getting BotW for Wii U, but...
I must be alone in thinking that the BotW graphics aren't that great looking.
To me, they look like a continuation of the fuzzy cartoon WindWaker look...
Horizon running on base PS4 or Pro will blow away everything (graphics-wise).
I was initially going to say they should delay it, but now I'm kinda split. A new Nintendo system is generally big news, enough to reach even non gamers depending on hype. And with Zelda at launch? That would be crazy. Horizon isn't an established IP and it's a first attempt by a developer known for an FPS. Zelda would be a safe bet.
However, if Sony give Horizon some actual marketing, good marketing, then it'll likely be in the public conscience enough to do well in sales. It's also being made for an already established system, which does give it the edge since people would probably choose the new game instead of buying a new console for another.
I'm not fully sure. Maybe I'm giving Nintendo too much credit, but it doesn't feel right for me to say Horizon has nothing to worry about. Maybe they'll both underdeliver in sales so it balances out.
@daveofduncan the first sentence of your comment shows you have no idea what you're talking about. Nintendo haven't made any attempt whatsoever to compete with Sony and Microsoft since the Gamecube.
Not to mention this article isn't suggesting Switch and Horizon are marketed to the same people, it's purely a matter of mindshare.
They have to change the date the Switch isn't the issue but Zelda is. A new IP going up against one of the biggest franchises of all time is going to be hard . They need to delay the game or move it forward by a few weeks. All the let's plays and coverage will be of Zelda but I think Sony will just keep it as it is.
@Neolit I was considering getting one as a family console unti I saw the price, I mean it's close to £400 with an extra controller and some form of memory and that's without a game. Not that Nintendo seem to have any of those ready for launch either apart from Zelda, it's lucky they had delay that game so many times isn't it otherwise they would have had nothing 🤔
@Neolit same here, if that Mario game was a launch title and the price a little lower then I may have been tempted. As it is I'll have to settle for Horizon, Nier and Persona 5 to see me through and some good ol' couch coop with Overcooked.
(Though I may see if a family member has a Wii U they don't use for Zelda 😉)
As a fresh PS4 owner who's had Switch tagged for preorder since the first trailer in autumn (and BotW isn't even the culprit, although today's new trailer did leave me excited), I nevertheless think Sony doesn't have much to worry about. I wouldn't bet on "50 million install base" as some folks here since many of those 50 million are fans and thus have the customer credibility to make Brutus seem loyal - I've already heard complaints that PS4 has "too many open world games" (after all the buzz about FFXIII's linearity, this redefines hypocrisy, but that's what fans are for). And yet, isn't HZD an exclusive from in-house developers? Doesn't it boast an interesting postapocalyptic world with some kind of "ecocyberpunk" lore? Hasn't it already amassed some interest? It looks like it's going to sell well, and as a Sony title it won't be coming to Switch, thus negating the choice between RP and direct portability for people like me who don't subscribe to console wars and "4K or bust" stuff. The current Switch lineup may have lost me as a Sony customer for games like Skyrim or I Am Setsuna, but HZD has been on my wishlist since last year's E3 and may be on my hard drive as early as Q2 if things play out. If anything, FFXII will be higher competition for it if Squeenix releases it before summer - there are only so many $60 titles I can invest into over a short period. XD
HZD doesn't need big week one sales as long as it can grow itself some legs. I think Sony has already had enough of the opposite trend (poor Vita...) to know where the reliable income is. Like I said before, Switch isn't posed as competition for the graphics-packed gaming media player PS4 is - it covers the bases Sony couldn't and almost gave up on. And likewise, HZD and BotW appear to be promising their own experience each, despite genre similarities.
There are millions of PS4 owners already. The switch has to get people to buy the console first & will there be launch bundles? Horizon can certainly stand its ground. I'm not a Zelda game fan & many other gamers aren't either.
It's not about one game selling more than the other or anything like that really. It's not even about one being better than the other.
It's about one game (and the new console it's launching for) stealing the thunder of a new IP that will need maximum mindshare to ensure maximum impact. That's the point I'm trying to make.
The entire week Horizon: Zero Dawn comes out will be dominated by Switch and Zelda discussion. And while Horizon will still get coverage, it won't get the same degree of coverage or attention that it would have done previously.
@KingofSaiyanZ I'd actually propose, if possible, they bring it forward a week rather than move it backwards.
@BAMozzy Yeah, I'm interested to see if Horizon can outsell Zelda. I doubt it though.
Anyway, I'm getting both games. Horizon on the PS4 and Zelda on the Wii U. Switch van wait till Mario and when other games are announced.
I'm planning on buying the Switch and Zelda but I must admit I'm currently more hyped for Horizon: Zero Dawn. I actually just pre-ordered the collector's edition a few minutes ago.
Sony has nothing to worry about the Nintendo Switch reveal didn't go down that well, I for one are holding off getting one until Xmas when it comes with Mario Odyssey. Not only that you have to pay to play online which I don't mind if the service was like Sony's, but it's not. Not only is online chat and other things an app but you only get free Snes/Nes games for only "One Month", depending on price this isn't going to sit well. So as planned Horizon is day one for me, as well as other Sony exclusive's.
Ebay is the winner regardless
If possible get maybe launch it in a week earlier and send review codes out early (especially if they expect good reviews) to drum up the last bit of hype. But let's be honest what has Switch got at launch other then Zelda? The lineup is very lackluster.
@get2sammyb sounds unnerving, honestly. This "launch week thunder or vital thunder loss" climate you describe is painting a picture of audiences and media with such an attention span, it's enough to make one question if they're old enough by content rating to play or buy the game anyway. ¿:^| And these are supposedly the "customers" to build the future of a new IP on?
Yes, I'm aware of the incidents that back up your logic - which only cements how unnerving it all seems.
Yes. I would have bought Horizon but now it's Zelda all the way. Guess I'll pick it up later on in a sale...
absolutely not. why is the question not 'should nintendo not move the release date of switch?' when the biggest console of the generation by a country mile is releasing its biggest new IP of the year.
@get2sammyb I gotcha now. Regardless, I have the same type of opinion on it. Horizon will definitely have some buzz, especially if Sony are really behind it, but a series with Zelda's pedigree and with how good Breath of the Wild looks, saying Horizon is in the clear doesn't sound right to me.
@get2sammyb
Sony better delay all the games to next year. Switched will have puyo puyo and street fighter 2 ultra as well. I watched the livestream. In Japan i think it will sell but ....... still on the livestream there were like 5 peaple playing and 2 eating. Compared to a console which shifted 6.5 million in 2 months. Guerilla must be shaking.
I have not seen any trailers of Horizon so I don't really remember what kind of game is. The Switch has a cool concept. To tell the truth it is like I envisioned a next generation portable console back in the Game Gear days. However, unless Nintendo has more games unrevealed Switch has 3ds Wii u bad launch written over it. Also, considering that you need a big memory card it is somewhat expensive.
In the end of the day I may have money for one game in March. This may be Zelda on the Wii u though. After Majora's mask the series has bad to mediocre games but I may give it another last chance. By the way my Wii u is mostly a Virtua Console device. I have what 4 games or something and most were digital discounts.
@get2sammyb
Its not we were not impressed. I should note to myself that this presentation never happened. If you own a wii u zelda will be on that as well. In todays livestream there were 5 people playing on their andriod. 😂.
i doubt it will make ANY difference, if people are gonna buy a Switch one PS4 exclusive isn't going to change a thing and vice versa
I've been hearing several reports that Guerilla needs an extra month or 2, but I'm waiting for the delay to be announced since the beginning of December. With just a little more than a month to go till launch I wonder if they just settled on repairing the huge problems and fix the smaller bugs with a day one patch, because the game should be going gold at the end of January.
I'm a huge Sony fan I'll admit but I've bought every Nintendo console just for Zelda. In fact, I've pre ordered switch and giving it to my son when I complete it. The fact many are saying hzd and Zelda are similar ( I personally don't think so) only makes things more difficult for Sony because there is no way hzd will review better than Zelda. This in it's self isn't the problem, every YouTuber, online publication and magazine will be comparing the two and there is no way Nintendo will drop the ball with botw. If hzd gets 9 across the board and Zelda hits 10, that's negative press ( obviously not but hope you get what I mean!) . They should move it I reckon cos anyone who thinks Zelda won't be the most talked about game that week (pew die pie, stampy dan tdm) either hasn't played one or is too young to understand.
They've got nothing to fear. I get what you're saying about mindshare, but you might be underestimating how much mindshare Horizon already has. It has consistently been voted one of the most anticipated games from gamers since its announcement (so is Zelda, I know), but it also has the advantage of launching in a platform that has three times the user base of Nintendo's two consoles combined (rough estimates by the way, I'm assuming Wii U is around 15 mil atm, and Switch will be very lucky to sell a million at launch). If I don't own a platform, or have no plans of buying, I generally switch off on their exclusives, that's why I think Horizon will still have a lot of mindshare.
Then again, I could be utterly wrong and I will have to eat my shoe
I cancelled my Horizon: Zero Dawn preorder to get the Switch and Zelda instead. Sorry, Sony.
@leucocyte The entire industry is talking about Switch, Zelda, and more related Nintendo news. It seems the focus shifted away from Horizon, Resident Evil 7, and everything else almost immediately. Then again, as short as the attention span of the average person is now, the next shiny object will probably get the world talking about that by tomorrow and forget about Nintendo.
Meh I don't think they should mess with the hype they have already created. Plus it would make some very unhappy fans if it got moved due to a nintendo release. For me personally I think it looked okay but I'd rather have zelda lol, not sure whether to get it for wii u or switch. I may get horizon at a later date but it was never a day one purchase for me. I do get the fact though that people who like zelda may be attracted to horizon and that may cause problems if people choose the switch over it. Lots of wii u owners have ps4's but I would have thought if you want the game you will get it anyway when you can afford it.
They got nothing to fear. At the moment rhere are no decent games at launch for Switch and no reason for ps4 owners to jump ship.
Even Zelda will be playable on WiiU 1.0
Don't move it. i'm really looking forward to get my hands on Horizon, but i'll get Zelda WiiU also at the date of release. I'll push any Switch decision back till the end of this year. Nintendo has to proof me something with their Switch after i gave them my WiiU money and they screwed the whole thing up.
I was extremely hyped for Horizon, and don't get me wrong I'm still getting it. But Switch looks like the most amazing piece of gaming kit I've ever laid eyes upon. Sexy, thin, powerful as heck for a portable device (can run current gen games, and they look comparable too)... I was absolutely blown away by this new system. Launch is thin, but it's got Zelda, Dragon Quest Heroes, Dragon Quest Heroes 2, a few ports like Disgaea 5 and the following month Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, with battle mode (thank goodness).
It'll be sitting on my backlog for quite some time. As soon as Switch releases I'm gonna be playing Zelda Breath of the Wild, and by the time I get done playing that Mario Kart and Dragon Quest Heroes 1 and 2 will be out, and then Splatoon 2 which is basically going to be my entire summer, and Xenoblade 2 of course- that'll be hundreds of hours devoted to that game, and Fire Emblem Warriors, and I'll be picking up lots of other games along the way like Skyrim and Sonic Mania and that new Street Fighter II.
By which time that'll be the holidays and Mario Odyssey will release. And can I just say I am absolutely thrilled with those new controllers. I don't think I've ever been this excited to try a new controller as I am now with the Joycons. Possibly best controllers ever conceived? We'll see.
So ya. Push it back, don't push it back, makes no difference to me. I doubt I'll be playing it within the next year as it stands
If it comes out on Feb 28th (or sooner) then its a day one purchase for me. Honestly, Im just killing time right now waiting for it as it is. But if they push it back, even two weeks, then I'm going to just wait for ME: Andromeda, and get Horizon ZD later on. Im sure that there are plenty of other people of my mindset as well, as the audience seems to match up better for ME than it does Nintendo.
I'm getting both Don't see the big deal ^-^
The Switch's install base is about 0 players, and there's, like, nothing on the shelves for it right now. Clearly, it's a failed console, and therefore no concern for Sony's releases.
The Switch can't compete with Horizon
I think Sony would be fine sticking to the original release date. With the 50 million units under its belt and the already established hype for the game I can't see it running into trouble selling well for HZD. The specs on the switch are also rather lack luster compared to the price they're asking for it. So Im thinking the majority of people might wait on the switch until a price drop.
@DG42Velka
Oh I don't think so. The GPD Win is the most comparable device, and it retails for $300 also
And Switch, quite frankly, blows that thing away. And I love the GPD Win, it's a great gaming device, but not only is it not nearly as powerful, it has no dock for displaying on TV or controllers with all that tech jammed inside.
If Switch wasn't a hybrid and was strictly a console, I would agree. But being a hybrid changes the rules, and expectations of what you're getting for your money have to be adjusted.
Some people seem to forget, that the Switch is not a pure home console, but actually a mobile console, that can be plugged into a TV.
To me, the Switch is the best partner for any gamer. Instead of a PS Vita, buy a Switch, which is extremely powerful for a portable device and have some fun playing high quality Nintendo games.
@tatsumi I wouldn't trade my Vita for a Switch - much thanks to exclusives and Remote Play since I adore Gravity Rush, I'm impressed by Tearaway and The Last Guardian and the very HZD in question aaaaand what chances do these effectively first party titles have to get to Switch? As many as Sonic would have had on a SNES (post factum pirate hacks notwithstanding XD). I love my Vita and as long as it and 3DS are supported, I may well stick to them for many smaller titles like indies unless they remain on PS4 in Sonyland (like I said before, I sure prefer not relying on Gaikai and whimsical 4G hotspot to play a game unless they're my only option outside). But Switch doubles as a sort of spiritual successor to Vita in my eyes and they offer enough to be in the same collection IMO.
@JaxonH some people are used to measuring consoles in pure "horsepower" despite that factor not drawing a winning ticket for consoles like Dreamcast, PSP or - oh, the irony lost to next generation! - Nintendo 64. But there are many other factors contributing to what kind of games a platform can get, and Nintendo has even accounted for one like developer comfort this time (incidentally, the same factor that led Sony to ditch their cells and make PS4 architecture comparatively closer to PCs and Vita's to mobile phones). They don't sell teraflops, they sell gaming experiences. And crisp HDR picture, while unarguably neat when put to use by games' art direction, isn't remotely the only or definitive kind of gaming experience out there. Would Splatoon conspicuously benefit from 4K? Was Tales of Graces unplayable without HD? Do Mario Kart vehicles need to reflect the sunlight like Gran Turismo cars? I thought as much.
Switch doesn't need to be a second PS4 - it needs to be strong enough to be developer-friendly in terms of porting, engine support, execution of AI and whatnot. The rest of its price lies with hybrid factor and the diverse and expensive controllers (which some folks try to denounce as "Nintendo gimmicks" despite even Dualshock 4 being likewise packed and sharing the standalone price tag).
@nhSnork
My thoughts exactly. I have an open mind because I do play everything. I know how fun Nintendo's games are because I've been playing all their top releases of the last 5 years.
I think alot of people (and you see this phenomenon across the board with all platforms) get attached to their one brand, and through confirmation bias they reinforce their beliefs that the only viable place to play is on the platform they always play on. They see a presentation, and they (whether consciously or subconsciously) ignore all the cool and exhilarating aspects of the console and focus only on a direct comparison to their own, and wherever the it falls short, they use that to reinforce their belief that it's not worth their time.
For example, power, as you mentioned. It seems now people do a direct comparison, and if it doesn't measure up to their platform they write it off as underpowered, and therefore it's worthless. Disregarding the fact games look brilliant, disregarding it's the most powerful portable gaming device ever (ironic given the obsession with power some have). If Switch was actually called Vita, would people feel the same way? I know most probably think they would. But they wouldn't. Especially if Vita had Zelda, Mario, Splatoon, Mario Kart, Arms, Fire Emblem Warriors, Ultra Street Fighter II, No More Heroes sequel and a long, long list of other games all coming year one. There were dozens of games announced after that presentation, but many probably made up their minds (their minds were made up beforehand) and never even bothered to get all the info. We still don't have all the info.
I do wish more people would open their minds rather than continuing to write off everything cool and awesome just because "it's less powerful" or "it doesn't have the exact same games I'm already playing" (as if anyone would ever want to buy another console for the same games you already have... no, you buy another console for different games you can't play, and in the case of Switch, games you can play portably). Where's all the Disgaea fans? Now you can play portably. Where's all the Skyrim fans? Now you can play portably. Where's all the gamers who got excited for new VR tech? Here's amazing new technology with the Joycons and seamless transition (and it'll actually get supported with great exclusives, rather than be forgotten after launch day)
@JaxonH I'm a disgaea and bomberman fan - I've got to admit I would happily play D5 on the go. That is a huge plus for sure!
@nhSnork Would Splatoon conspicuously benefit from 4K? Was Tales of Graces unplayable without HD? Do Mario Kart vehicles need to reflect the sunlight like Gran Turismo cars? I thought as much.
Yes, Would be better in HD, No - but lets not forget MK was a trend setter with using tech to its advantage ala Mode 7.
I've only just purchased a ps4 pro with infamous second son and ratchet and clank. Its universally accepted these games are not as strong as Mario or Zelda, but downgrading to 1080p after playing in those worlds at 1800p with bombastic graphics? Absolutely no chance. Millions if others will feel the same way. Switch isn't powerful enough in my eyes unfortunately, its too much of a retrograde.
@themcnoisy
Idk, I have a PS4 Pro, and Xbox One and Wii U, and 3DS, and Vita, and PC. And a 4K TV. I play games with 4K but it never once made me suddenly stop enjoying games that aren't in 4K. Particularly if you're playing on the go or on your back patio or at work or in the kitchen or wherever. I mean I'm all for good graphics but, there's so much out there to enjoy that you miss out on if you strictly adhere to 4K only, which to me isn't really sensible because a game can still be incredibly enjoyable in high definition, in fact most of Nintendo's games look about as good as they're going to get, if your TV does natural upscaling it's not really going to be that much of a difference particularly when a lot of the 4K games on offer aren't really native 4K anyways. Even if they were though, I still wouldn't let that stand between me and playing some of the best games ever just cause they're HD.
But, that's just my opinion
@JaxonH . I play games with 4K but it never once made me suddenly stop enjoying games that aren't in 4K.
Its not that other games suddenly become unplayable or anything. Its the artifacts cause by the compressed images, its virtually none existent in both R+C and Infamous. That then sucks you into the world. The difference between a pro and wii feels like 5 generations let alone 1.
@themcnoisy
Oh I agree totally, it does (although I still play Wii games! And love them, Metroid Prime Trilogy and Other M... those get Jaxon's Stamp of Approval for sure!)
But I think once you reach the HD level that's where the biggest jump his and beyond that things look... good enough. We've reached a point where video games will never really look bad, ever again. Some will definitely impress more than others and I like a good graphically stunning game in 4K as much as anyone, but I still play my 3DS and that thing's in standard def. The Wii U had some good looking games though, and this is definitely a cut above Wii U. I think that despite being less powerful it's powerful enough, enough that the game still look great and they're still really enjoyable, and once you dive headfirst into Zelda you're not going to be thinking about the pixels not quite being is sharp as they could.
@tatsumi No thanks I'll stick with my Vita.
@JaxonH I like to play as many systems as possible but at the moment the Switch isn't an attractive proposition, I'm not bothered by its joy cons but they will prove useful for playing with my family. As for it being a portable I would likely never or very rarely take it out of the house but would play off screen so in that sense it'd be very similar to the Wii U for me.
My single biggest problem is the games, just 5 at launch and the only one I have any interest in is £20 cheaper on the console I already have, then the next one that comes out is Mario Kart 8 which I already own. As for Skyrim why would I wait several months and pay double the price it is on PS4 rather than buy it today, that goes for a large portion of the few games it will have this year, most are available on the consoles I already have and at a much cheaper price and many others mentioned won't be out for quite some time. It just seems like they are rushing it out of the door partly due to decreasing sales but mainly to coincide with Zelda, which increasingly looks like it has been held back deliberately. Don't get me wrong when the games come I'll be jumping on board, that point looks around when Mario comes out and I have no doubt that Nintendo will ultimately have many great games. For now though there are many great comes coming to PS4 in the next couple of months starting with Horizon and Nier before Persona 5 and Zelda on my Wii U
I was originally going to pre-order the Switch as I love the look of the hardware and also adore Zelda, especially the look of Breath of the Wild.
However after seeing the lacklustre lineup (other than Mario/Zelda) combined with the ridiculous accessory prices and the fact you'll need to buy a 128Gb/256Gb SD card I think I'm gonna hold off and see if there's any price reductions at the end of the year instead. This feels like the whole Vita memory card price fiasco all over again.
So now for me Horizon releasing at the same time as Switch is good as I'll have a cool alternative to not getting Switch, plus probably Nier and Nioh
@adf86
The launch is mediocre for sure, and I aint even a Nintendo hater but the launch game I'm most interested in after Zelda would be an 'Ultra' port of an HD remake of a fighting game from the 90s... For most companies I'd say that's an issue, but Nintendo might be able to work around that and Zelda day one does negate a lot of negatives.
@Unlucky13
It is a tough call. Don't delay and go up against Nintendo Switch and Zelda: Breath of the Wild. Delay it and possibly go against Mass Effect which I believe has a marketing deal with the PS4 this time around. Either way it's a tough call, and if they delay Horizon into April or May that might really piss some people off. I kind of hope Sony and Guerilla just stick to their guns, release on Feb. 28 and market the hell out of the game. Hopefully the PS4 userbase comes through for them, I'll be buying on day one for sure.
Nope.
Nintendo sell your soul and join forces with Sony!
@Gamer83 I get what you mean but if the Wii U taught us anything is that a Nintendo console can't be sustained on just it's exclusives alone anymore. It'll get strong Japanese support but after Zelda, Slaptoon 2 and Mario Kart 8 Switch owners might be left twiddling their thumbs again. Especially when western 3rd party support looks mediocre at best.
Well guys say what it you want, but even if I'm not impressed by the presentation, the concept itself is very good, and I don't know if you guys remember, but Zelda at E3 stole the show.
So yeah they should delay 2 weeks.
@carlos82
No I totally get that. I'm more talking about when people just write it off entirely for... other reasons. Sounds like you actually play all types of games,
I held off getting an Xbox One (the only console I didn't buy at launch) because the library was so similar to the systems I already had. But once a few exclusives came out I was all over it
@Frank90
And get utterly buried by Mass Effect? The game is just in a sh*t spot, and the first half of this year is jam packed. Best to just release on Feb. 28 and hope for the best.
What I'm about to say is by no means meant to start something in the comments section. I'm speaking from my heart. I hope the game comes out on the same day as the Switch release and it suffers because of it, at least for the first month sales. As somebody who grew up loving Nintendo, only to see them fall from grace, and I ended up favoring a couple of Sony consoles over Nintendos in the past, it would be nice to see headlines about Horizons sales being hurt by the Switch. I like to see Nintendo being celebrated, especially after a few years of so much negativity. The fact that their brand can still be seen as a threat in the current gaming climate...well, makes me feel all warm insides lol! And, again, just the first month sales. I wish nothing but success and longevity for Horizon.
I have my PS4 and am eagerly waiting for Horizon: Zero Dawn. However, I did preorder the Switch and I know that on March 3rd, I'll be playing Zelda no matter what stage of Horizon, or any other game I own, I have reached. Even if I didn't buy a Switch, I would have been playing it on Wii U. I want to enjoy Horizon so I would prefer they move it maybe a week earlier. At least a week of play time will feel better for me. Delaying it is not good. I had hoped that Nintendo would have released the Switch and Zelda on the 17th of March. 17 days of Horizon and then Zelda but nope, only four days.
Now that I think about it, sony should release it on 1st march and make a $300 or $250 ps4 bundles, so people can choose between switch & zelda or ps4 & horizon.
i travel a lot on packed trains, and i never see anybody playing on a handheld console, not even a 3ds much less a playstation vita. i think the concept is a tough sell in the west to be honest. whilst there will be some overlap of user demographics, i'm not entirely convinced it'll be massively significant.
@daveofduncan I don't think you speak for as many gamers as you believe you do. CE of HZD and ME of Zelda and a Switch all arriving on Mar 3 (I had to order HZD CE from the US to Canada- so I get it a couple days late).
@Neolit My kids will "inherit" my WiiU- I am getting a Switch. Being able to take it to work for long night shifts is going to be amazing. Don't get me wrong- I love my Vita and my 3DS, but the Switch- holy poo- it's gonna be awesome for portable.
Language -Tasuki-
@get2sammyb I get what you're saying. Creatively, it's a lose-lose. On the one hand, Horizon looks like a brave, exciting new IP, something which should be celebrated these days. On the other you've got the Switch. Nintendo, for better or for worse, always push at the boundaries, which keeps their competitors on their toes. The gaming community is a poorer place when Nintendo fall flat. Two of the most important releases of the year, the industry is only hurting itself by having them release on the same day.
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