Fallout 4: Far Harbor Ran So Bad on PS4 that Bethesda's Actually Re-Released It

I'm glad I decided to just play uncharted 4 and Overwatch until they fixed this. I'm in no rush to play Far Harbour as it's SP content I can finish anytime.

I wonder if it actually fix the issue. Or is it a skyrim repeat. With every patch-fix not fixing the frame rate.

Odd, it worked really well for me. I had a bit of trouble at the beginning but it was uphill from there.

@NomNom - Same. It didn't run perfect for me by any means but about the same as the main game.

@Splat I have a general standard for most games. And I have a separate standard for Bethesda games. It ran better than Skyrim, I have no complaints.

So does PS4 in general handle this update stuff better than PS3? I can't remember the last time I bought a game that didn't require a day 1 patch. And I'm not talking about retail games, but smaller indie games. You would think after a year or 2 I could download an older game and not need to immediately run an update before playing it.

So I guess my question is, will people need to download the old Far Harbor and then redown load the new one on top of it, or can you just DL the new one and be done with it?

Anyone else notice the new PS Store interface? Its pretty cool but is only implemented in certain sections of the store.

So instead of properly fixing the framerate issues, they decided to remove 98% of the fog to fix the issues. So ps4 players dont get the depth to the dlc like xbone or pc has now. Im thoroughly disappointed and wont reccomend downloading this new "FIX".

I had a few issues in the beginning, but after that just a few hiccups here and there. The Witcher on the other hand, is running bad for me.

@rjejr Personally I think the PS4 handles updates better than the PS3 - leaving it in standby mode or when you turn on, the console updates games and often in the background.

Day 1 patches are nothing new this generation. I know we think a game 'should' be perfect when it goes gold, but the fact is, the development team is a very small number, let alone those 'testing' the game compared to millions that end up playing and maybe 'too close' to it to find 'every' issue. Some issues may crop up for reviewers, test audiences, even the developers who may actually be playing the whole thing for the first time before it actually launches. I would rather have a 'day 1' patch than a month (or later) patch to fix issues - especially if those issues are relatively big.

This is the first time though that I can recall, a whole content, has had to be replaced...

@NomNom That is not something to be proud off. If your game runs better then Skyrim.

@Ronald_Crump really is that what they did? Then im glad I did not buy the game. I will not reward lazy developers.

@Chris0160 The Witcher looks 20 times better.

Graphics definitely. Frame rates, dropped then a crash happened, ps4 not pc.

@glassmusic Very nice of you to type that all out. Thanks

@BAMozzy I'm not talking about a day 1 patch on day 1, what I always wonder is why these things can't be fixed in the original download. If I buy Witcher 3 in 2017 and download it, I shouldn't have to do an update after, they should include it in the original download. I buy a lot of games 2, 3, 4, even 5 years later new, that should give the dev enough time to fix the original program so I only need 1 download.

@Flaming_Kaiser - And plays 20 times better. I love Fallout 4 but Witcher blows it out of the water in every way.

@rjejr I don't think that would be feasible - changing the digital base game coding every time a new patch becomes available. I thought each digital item has to be 'verified' that it doesn't corrupt the system or other software. I don't think developers can just patch games as and when they want but have to submit those to Sony to be verified. Its probably easier to verify a patch than an updated game every time a new 'patch' is released for those that already own the game.

Not every game has to download 'multiple' patches either - some only require the latest so its not like you have download a lot of patches if you buy 'late'

@BAMozzy Maybe it's only 1 patch, but I still find that 1 patch annoying for an old game. If they can't mess w/ the main game file, they should be able to at least make it where the patch is included in some kind of "wrapper" so it gets downloaded and installed at the same time, seamlessly in the background. I know whenever I buy a PS3 game w/ an equal Vita game the Vita game is always in my download list - on PS3 - even if I don't want it, b/c I don't have a Vita.I'm just sick of saying "ugh" every time I buy a game on PS3 and after waiting for it to download and install I then have to wait for an update to download and installed.

It is good to hear about the background downloads. For all of Ntineod's woes they go that part right on Wii U. And external storage. I almost never have to update a game manually, it's usually done when I go to play the game.

@rjejr The problem isn't with the devs, it's with Sony, and by extension the others. You need to submit your game to them for testing (HAAHAHAHaHAHA!! That's good) and you also have to pay for them to do that. From what I was told on my course its upwards of £10k-£50k, which is bloody insane. If it fails testing it has to be paid for and resubmitted again. This is before having to reclassify with ratings boards, which over here is more fees, and honestly, i'm amazed I'm even bothering at this point. No game I ever release will ever make back those fees anyway XD

At least Sony lets stuff through regardless right?

@BLPs Well I would expect Sony to be the ones to create the "wrapper" and download all of the stuff together, not the devs, since it makes Sony's customer experience better. Since almost every single game has an update - I'm guessing most of them are Trophy related, or updates to match up with whatever system OS number is currently running - then Sony should do it b/c it is a system wide issue, not any particular dev issue. If I'm downloading say Rocket League when I buy a PS4, that's an old game now, if there are 3 patches or versions, I shouldn't' buy it, download it, install it, boot it up and then have the game tell me I need an update to run it. Sony should download all the required updates when I buy the game. Not things like free DLC, but anything that is required for me to boot up the game for the first time. That's on Sony. If it's a disc game, well of course I'll have to download something when I install the disc, but things I download should come with all requirements. Not accessory files, but required files. It's a nuisance, and it happens every single time.

@rjejr If I remember correctly for the Wii U isn't the only update to activate Miiverse when starting a game at which point it's fast or even background based? And...actually I think the patches are includeD aren't they when you download? Then again most stuff there is finished from launch .

Oh and when ya get a ps4 can I recommend ignoring being able to play the game once it's...downloaded. it only downloads the first part off the game, let's you play and then downloads the rest and stops progress since well..even though you're playing it it's not there yet. Took 15 damn hours.

@rjejr You should probably just buy a PS4 and quit spending months going back and forth like you have been so you can quit asking questions and figure it out for yourself. Obviously the wiiu is dead in the water so you can box that up and make room for a decent console.

@Napples
I can promise you @rjejr isn't boxing that Wii U up until after Zelda U drops. Only then will the Wii U experience be complete. Unless they announce a DKC Minecart Mayhem, in which case he'll probably sleep with the gamepad every night in anticipation until it drops, right @rjejr?

And even then he'll still probably wait to buy a PS4 until the PS5 gets announced.

How they can mess up with frame rate if the graphics are so poor? Is Bethesda even trying to make a good game (DLC)?
I was really disappointed by Fallout 4 and the DLC, somehow, is even worst than the game. Sad.

@BLPs Not on the PS4, Sony already confirmed it along with numerous developers that they are not charging developers to update their game. I don't understand how this is even being talked about now since it's been known ever since the PS4 was released.

Unless you're talking about the PS3, then yes sony did charge, I'm confused now lol

@Kamikaze_Krunch Well blame my course. Only Steam seems to exist, update fees exist and PEGI doesn't charge to have ratings added. Also I get £9000 debt per annum just to get a false education. Woo.

Seriously the idiots wanted a game in HTML format not knowing it was deprecated due to most browsers dropping NPAPI support. -.-

@JaxonH @Napples Box it up? I still haven't boxed up my Dreamcast, and since the Wii U still plays Wii games someday I'll play Metroid Other M on it. Box it up, pshaw.

I'm still undecided on Zelda U, waiting to see if I need a Link TP wolf amiibo to get unlock bigger pouch to carry more ruppies.

@get2sammyb Well it may be technically unreasonable, but from a consumer standpoint I don't think it's asking too much. And you know that, you've been telling me for over 2 years it's worth it to upgrade to the PS4 just for the OS alone.

Can we buy something for $1.99 on PS4 or do they still make us put $5 from our credit cards into our wallet?

@BLPs I don't plan on ever trying to play anything until it's completely finished downloading. Hopefully it does it all in one shot. Or while I'm sleeping like the Wii U does. Games like SS and Spaltoon do update occasionally.

@JaxonH "And even then he'll still probably wait to buy a PS4 until the PS5 gets announced."

Well I am waiting until the PS4point5 gets announced, close enough?

@rjejr That works. Ive gotta run though, the wife had a go and stormed off. I just cant be happy these days -.-

@get2sammyb "The end result is the same."

No, it's not even close to the same, not even remotely the same. If I see a game I want and it's 15GB then I know I have to wait a couple of hours for it to download and install, then after waiting I go and click on it, all excited to play, and then the game tells me I have to wait another 30 minutes while it downloads and installs the patch. If it tells me up front 20GB then I know to just wait 3 hours.

Imagine you're a kid laying in bed all night Christmas eve trying to sleep but unable to waiting to open your presents Christmas morning (that might be Boxing Day for you) then the sun comes up, you hear you parents walking down thehall to the loo, then you and your siblings rush to see the pile of presents you'v ebene waiting all night to open, then your parents come in the room and say, "You know what kids, this year lets open presents after lunch." You still get the same presents, but it isn't the same, is it? And if you think it is the same, then you've never been a kid, or your one of those lucky kids who got to open his presents on Christmas Eve. And in the later case, pretend your parents decided one year it was too late to open presents and you had to go to bed and wait until the next morning instead. Still the same presents, but not the same feeling. . It's about feeling, and those matter too.

@get2sammyb Did you even read all that stuff about Christmas?

OK, lets say you don't like presents, not everyone does I suppose. Ever go on a long car trip with your parents as a kid? When you leave the house you ask, like all kids do, "How long is it going to take to get there?", and your parents tell you 1 1/2 hours. Then 90 minutes later you ask the inevitable question - "Are we there yet, you said it was going to take 1 1/2 hours?" Then your mum turns to you and says - well it really takes 2 hours for the whole trip, but we knew you wouldn't like that so rather then listen to you whine for 2 whole hours we told you 1 1/2 hours so now we only have to listen to you whine for 30 minutes instead," It still takes you 2 hours total to get there, but do you like having to wait the extra 30 minutes, and equally as important, do you feel bad that your parents lied to you just to shut up your whining?

If they tell us it's a 15GB download to play a game, but we can't play it for another 5GB, they are lieing to us about how long until we can play. I'm not sure how you can think that's the same, or OK.

@get2sammyb "and then you know exactly how much data you're dealing with"

Well maybe on PS4 they do, but they don't on PS3. That's the whole problem, you never know. Of course if I knew I needed a 5GB patch later, or it was listed at the same time, then I'd know.

Go buy yourself a new PS3 and go back and download some old games fresh. You can raffle it off or donate it to charity or something when you're done. Almost every single game you download to that new PS3 - use your old account, FREE GAMES! - won't tell you about any extra patches. You'll see the game, you'll click on it, it will download and install.Then when you boot it up, only THEN does it tell you. I think maybe you've forgotten how frustrating that is. I bought a new PS3 1 1/2 years ago, having to go thru that for every game I already owned on another PS3 was very aggravating.

@BLPs WIFE!!!!! When the #$%#@@* did that happen, while you were being operated on? You've been a busy guy. Too busy to take a honeymoon I reckon, you'ld be a lot happier if you had a honeymoon recently.

@rjejr Well....it's a promise right now but yeah. She might as well be XD it's gonna happen eventually. Not letting this bundle of fun out of my life. I only recently spent an entire week with her. Felt she had to come care for me after the surgery. I just can't walk far but that's enough for her.

@BLPs It's Sony's word over yours really. On the PS3, they did charge for them, on the PS4 they don't. Ask any developer that question of Sony charges them to patch games on the PS4 because it is a fact that they don't.