The Order: 1886 has certainly had its pre-release problems, but we must admit that we've never seen quite so much vitriol pointed at an unreleased product before. Game director Dana Jan, in an interview with Develop, seems utterly fed up with the constant criticisms, describing the circus that's surrounding the PlayStation 4 exclusive as "uncanny haterade".
"People are looking for something to throw at our game, some reason to hate it," the clearly frustrated developer told the website. "I'm excited to hear what people who have actually played the game think about it; how do they feel about the quality and the quantity? I think, by and large, that most people are going to be satisfied."
Jan added that the backlash is greater than the kind that typically circles platform exclusives. "I just feel like these days it's so easy to be negative, and I think that the Internet is the new playground for bullies. Who goes out of their way to really go and say something positive, right? It takes a lot more effort to say something nice, and I think that people are excited to jump on some bandwagon of negativity."
Despite this, the developer concluded that he does want to hear peoples' honest feedback. "I don't think that people need to go out there and be unbiased supporters of our stuff or anything either," he said. "I want them to make up their own minds about the game period. It just seems like the pendulum swings the other way so frequently. I mean, we'll see, right?"
Hilariously, Jan added that the team places bets on how many posts into a NeoGAF thread it'll take for someone to say something negative. To be honest, we're glad that Ready at Dawn's trying to lighten the tone, because we can't imagine how hard it must be seeing the web rip your hard work to pieces so callously. If Taylor Swift has taught us anything, though, it's that haters are gonna hate, hate, hate, hate, hate...
[source develop-online.net, via vg247.com]
Comments 59
Totally unfair to get that much criticism based on a YouTube video (that most people complaining probably haven't even watched, they've just "heard about it").
Internet is a playground for ciberbullies -> right
there is too much hate for exclusives (especially coming from other console's fanboys) -> right
5 hours for a only-single player game is too short -> right too... or at least I don't see hate in saying it, it is just that everyone decide the value of what it is offered.... so cmon, devs... grow up and stop crying...
Sigh, can we make a common sense rule where people don't use haters gonna hate as a defense? People never came across well when using it.
I don't know whats worse: the hate The Order: 1886 is receiving or Sammy's love spell for Taylor Swift.
Guys the average play time on neogaf is around 8 to 9 hours. The overall impressions range from a 7 to a 9. The story, characters and graphics are meànt to be great and the gameplay good. So stop f****** complaining about a game you haven't played. I entirely agree with ready at dawn here. People have been desperate for this game to fail since day one of the reveal. At least wait for reviews before you write off a game that isn't out yet, and that people who have played it have enjoyed. Hell the guy who beat the game in 5 and a half hours on YouTube said it was great and worth buying.
@Punished_Boss_84 @Jonny

Honestly, I wish they'd stop talking at this point, it's just making things seem worse.
I dont get developers, they want us to make up our own minds (which means buy the game) but they dont give us anything to make up our minds from. So whats the point ? If they are getting my money right away, why would they care what my mind says after that?
I mean if you are this desperate, then maybe a little more work and less talk ? Ready at dawn could have release a demo because the hate train against this game its been long coming, and it wasnt only because the game was short, but because it looked so boring. The lenght of the game was the straw that broke the camel back...
Instead of this desperate attempt at defending your game, a demo would have been much been much better... Or maybe they dont feel secure about their game ?
@ShogunRok
Its been Dead on Arrival since the reveal, it can't get any worse...
The sliver lining is, it will probably sell well regardless not Patcher well but well.
@get2sammyb
Shake it off.
@ShogunRok exactly. as a developer you really shouldnt go into these kind of things. Do you see a movie director commenting about criticisms before a movie is released? IF they do an interview its just some prewritten PR nonsens. RAD should just wisely shut up now..
After the delay, short gameplay, the response to the short gameplay (the first one and now this) I have no interest in this. I refuse to pay $60+ on a game when the developer keeps putting salt in the wound. And yes I have watched the video.
If i'd spent years working on a project and I got a shed load of faceless internet criticism before it was even released, I'd feel the need to come out and say "give it a chance" too. At least they are engaging in debate with gamers.
Im buying this game.... So many idiots above with crystal ball. Not even played this game for one second. This is why i hate hype
@Punished_Boss_84 It'll get worse depending on what reviewers give it, trust me, seen it happen all before!
I never truly believe anything people say about games in the first place.
My focus is more on what I as a gamer like and dislike about the product that I have purchased. A lot of people disliked Knack. I truly enjoyed playing Knack to me it was worth purchasing day 1. I believe that The Order:1886 will be a great game. As long as I enjoy playing the game it doesn't matter who reviews the product or what kind of review they give The Order:1886.
@Pink_Floyd May I ask if you have played the game yourself?
@Flurpsel Agreed
if its as short as I've heard (8 HRS & 22 Trophies) then yes, this hater is gonna hate hate hate hate hate
@Delgado2228 Nope. But I do know I have watched the video and played countless games over the years and know what $60 is worth. Look at it this way if you buy a muscle car are you going to pay for a half baked car at full price?
It never fills me with hope whenever a game's review embargo is set on the release date.
What is most interesting about this whole affair is the fact that no one at Ready at Dawn thought to raise the length of the game as an issue. Not everyone within the company is getting megabucks so surely someone in-house must have flagged this? You only have to look down the Top 10 best reviewed PS4 games on Metacritic (that benchmark of quality revered by producers/publishers!) to find that the full price games are either very long (GTA V, Inquisition), have bags of replay potential (Rayman Legends), or are cheap downloadable games. .At least if someone had thought about this they could have had a coherent defence ready. Likening your game to the single player mode of COD, whilst conveniently forgetting about all the other bits that come with COD, is lame. Although not as lame as suggesting that everyone hates you. Once the bullies (Ready at Dawn's analogy) realise that the bullying reduces you to tears and whining you've lost. Still the game does look awesome and after the dust settles and I can pick it up sub £20 on Amazon I'm all over it. Got a huge backlog at the minute. Assassins Creed:Unity and Far Cry 4 are just to damn long.....
Playing the victim. Its Victorian it has guns it has werewolves. People will hate it. Some won't. Get over it. 'Defending' your game before reviews will only fuel the fire. Stupid.
I really wanted to like this, From the first time I heard about this and saw my first video, I really wanted this game. The setting and subject matter really appeals. I like the art and steampunk weaponry too.
However its gameplay - the main reason I would buy this - appears very brief and has quite a lot of QTE's as well according to reports. This in itself wouldn't be too much of an issue (well the QTE's might) if the game offered replayability as well as options like maybe some form of co-op or MP but the fact it can be completed and all trophies collected in 10-12hours puts me off at that price.
I really can't see that the story and gameplay combined can be that special to warrant the price tag. Compared to Killzone (for example), its story may be better but if you take the whole package, I can have more fun over many more hours in Killzone - especially when playing with friends.
I know I haven't played this yet and to a degree, I am speculating but if this was releasing at the same time as something like the Witcher 3 or Arkham Knight or other single player game offering much much more, would those buying this still buy it on launch?
I felt that Wolfenstein: The New Order was an extravagant purchase in terms of value as it worked out at roughly £1 per hour to do 2 playthroughs and get all achievements. According to reports this could work out at £3-4 per hour. I really hoped this would be like BioShock or Dead Space (in terms of the impact those new IP's had and the amount of game play they offered) for this generation.
I know someone said would I buy Asda own multi-pack crisps when I could buy McCoys. This however is more like buying a single smaller pack of McCoys (in a glossier bag) for the same price as buying a box of Walkers crisps. Lets be honest both are premium crisps (like all AAA games are considered to be) but one is going to last a lot longer and offer more variety too!
@dnky666 applause for your comment #23!
@BAMozzy Dat analogy. xD
Release the game at half price and no-one would mind the length or that it looks like for 90% of the time you do nothing but watch as cliche after cliche happens.
@rastamadeus Yes or implement a New Game+ where you can play as other members of the Order, with slightly different gameplay and story twists.... I believe it wouldn't take them too much time to do it...
It's funny how developers these days can't make a game how they want without cry babies throwing tantrums just because it doesn't fit their wants & desires for games. The time you spend spewing bile on the interent about a game that has absolutely no interest for you could've been spent playing a game that does interest you. Food for thought.
The story sounds great, the graphics are incredible and first shooters are right up my street. Take my money and then I'll make up my own mind.
If it sucks then I'll make almost all my money back by selling or trading it in.
"I want them to make up their own minds about the game period."
But if people "hate" the game, he does not seem to like it. And if this does not sell, he will blame it on that "hatred".
I also agree with @Faruko. No reviews, no demo, reportedly tons of different gameplay but most trailers seem to show no gameplay. It should be the game, not PR who should be doing the talking.
@Lopezdm which would never cost 60 quid
@Lopezdm Duku Nukem, Doom and Quake all could kick this victorian little girl with facial hair ass any day of the week
and neither of the 3 has facial hair
@Lopezdm ooook... whatever man, did not know that you are into Developer's Union... I am just saying that for my personal taste (and wallet) I'll wait to get this game on sale...
And sorry... but then you see games like Dragon Age (to an extreme) with contents for hundred hours, or games like Diablo which has mechanics that can keep you engaged for months.... or Bayonetta 2, short campaign (extremely fun) plus Mustelheim modes + coop modes + different costumes that changes the set of moves....
Are the latters made by superhumans or Gods of programming?.... certainly not
@Lopezdm Doom is coming rofl, and Forever as bas as it was (it wasnt that bad) it was a success comercially.
@Faruko Groovy!
@Lopezdm Im pretty sure movies cost a lot more to make than games, A LOT more.
By this point I totally lost my interest in the game and I'm going to wait until it's half price or maybe a PS Plus offer. It just seems too short and by what I've been reading and seeing it's not really much more than the visuals
Sad.
I think that people think the order 1886 is just a $60 game with no re-playability.
@Lopezdm Still again.... Bayonetta 2, action game (i repeat: Action Game): 9 hrs for the main campaign, plus coop online modes, plus time trial combat mode, plus 3 levels of difficulty, plus costumes to unlock that changes not only the appearance but the way the Witch fight. a total of 40+ hrs of ACTION gameplay... 60 quid (and the Bayonetta 1 remake for free).
Doesn't objectively have a higher value for the money than a single player ONLY shooter with superb graphic (cos that is what it is) and a 7-10 hours campaign?
@get2sammyb lol. Im loving the crisp discussion on here
@Faruko an average Hollywood movie costs 139,084,697 $ calculated by taking the 20est more expensive and the 20est less expensive ones and averaging them...
http://hollywood-movies.yoexpert.com/movies/what-is-the-average-movie-budget-for-a-hollywood-m-1403.html
I refuse t watch the video & I must say that as someone who has pre-ordered a special edition, steelcase/figurine & all that I am quite worried about the length. But if I can get at least 10 out of it I'll be fine. Other than that I don't understand why people were keen to hate it before the length debacle, it looks AWESOME! Hence why I pre-ordered it. I mean the graphics look truly next gen, the story is unique & interesting, I don't get it. But I will be p*ssed if most of the games hours is cutscenes & QTE.
Language - get2sammyb
@get2sammyb @Flurpsel
Problems I have, they keep showing the same or near identical scenes for gameplay within these there have been a lot of cutscenes QTE's don't help make cutscenes super engaging and people are saying a large majority of the game are just that cutscenes. Another issue is that Ready at Dawn haven't shown anything to dispute the claim plus the recent Beyond podcast just has me worried this game will be a forgettable sub £25 affair at best, sigh.
What I find hilarious is that despite all this criticism their just giving the game more exposure and publicity, making people more intrigued into buying it. After all I know people bought Ride to Hell just to see how bad that was too.
@Swiket Same here. I have nothing against the game at all. The game is just not appealing or groundbreaking.
I will wait for the pushsquare review and if it gets a good rating - I'm onboard. But the gameplay segment they showed at the sony experience was a bit, well er, mmmmm, ok, errrr. So yes I'm waiting for the review.
@Lopezdm Alot of the things you mention are fair. However the very definition of hard-core gamer is to play a lot of games. Why does that suck? I don't mean to be antagonistic and its great that you develop games so its nice to have a differing view. However the majority (I hope) people who post here are gamers - hardcore or otherwise.
@Bad-MuthaAdebisi
Idk. Obviously blind hate just to hate is gonna happen, with any game. But that's not worth writing an article over.
There are legit criticisms though. I mean, from my viewpoint I remember the game being announced, and it looked ok, lot of potential. But then they kept showing rather uninspired gameplay. And then several people demoed the game and consistently said they didn't really like it. Yet people kept defending the game religiously, saying "you haven't played it so you don't know it's bad". And I'm thinking "neither have you so you don't know it's good". All we have to go on is this mediocre footage and a couple guys who played it and weren't impressed.
But then they started showing some gameplay and it started looking decent again (minus the cinematic views that don't really mesh well with gameplay). But I said ok, I'll give 'er a go, and I pre ordered it. Wasn't expecting much but hey, it's been months since anything good released on PS4 and I only have like 2 exclusives for the system.
Then they reveal the game length. 12 hours is usually my limit for $60.
So ya, idk, I don't think people are just blindly hating (although some are- that happens with any game), I just think people are seeing things for what they are and they're not impressed.
I decided to keep my pre order, so I'll find out for myself whether that was a good call or not.
I'm keeping my pre order. Enough said
I decided to wait for it to be cheaper months ago, no worries.
My pre order is secure and I will hopefully enjoy this game come Friday. nothing sways me from a game that I have been looking forward to.
I'm still looking forward to playing this game myself...however don't see myself playing it until Christmas 2016 since I don't have a PS4 or a job/SSI yet.
PLAYSTATION ELITE RACE 4 LIFE, haters gonna hate.........
@Lopezdm Yes good point, why should they? I have noticed that everyone is up in arms about stuff they have not played. From reading up on a lot of articles over the last year the amount of people moaning about watchdogs and Destiny was crazy - and actually if you play the games as a game they were both good fun. But publishers are equally culpable and if they didn't bloat our expectations maybe they could be realistically met. @TVRFLY This is probably about right
Loving all the hate....funny how a game can generate so much vitriol before its even released. Folks if its a good game; buy it, if not; don't.
This seldom happens with other media.
The sense of entitlement exhibited by some people is staggering and it will kill this industry.
2 legit reviews so far are 15/20 (7.5 ) and 89/100
So take that as you will. I'm supporting R@D keeping my preorder. Here's to part 2 correcting what ever issues gamers have with it. I know this isn't a fair comparison price wise. But people can play tell tale games and enjoy the experience. If the order combined tps gameplay with that tell take style of story delivery (QTE's.) why not give it a chance? I'm not rich. I don't have money to burn. But every month since it's announcement it's been something else negative. Now it's length thx to some you tuber. 2 positive reviews so far claiming longer than 5 hours.
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