Told you so. In an interview with Eurogamer.net, Xbox chief Phil Spencer has admitted that Rise of the Tomb Raider isn’t actually an Xbox One exclusive at all, and that its deal with Square Enix has a set “duration”. That means that, as we pointed out yesterday, the title will almost certainly launch on the PlayStation 4 at some point in 2016 – although, the Microsoft employee wasn’t willing to explicitly say that.
“When people want me to say, can you tell us when or if it's coming to other platforms, it's not my job,” he explained. “My job is not to talk about games that I don't own. I don't own them building Tomb Raider on other platforms. I can't talk about the franchise in that way. I can talk about the deal that I have. I have Tomb Raider shipping next holiday exclusively on Xbox. It is [on] Xbox 360 and Xbox One. I'm not trying to fake anybody out in terms of where this thing is.”
Spencer continued to plead innocence, despite the evident deception yesterday. “What they do with the franchise in the long run is not [my decision],” he emphasised. “I don't control it, so all I can talk about is the deal that I have. I don't know where else Tomb Raider goes.” The bigger question at this point is when it will move on, though? “The deal has a duration,” is all that Spencer would say. “I didn't buy it. I don't own the franchise.”
The cornered company man also wouldn’t elaborate on any of the finer details of the partnership. “It's a deal between us and the partner,” he stressed. “People ask me how much did we pay. There are certain things that I'm just not going to talk about because it's a business deal between us and them. Obviously, the deal does have a duration. I didn't buy the property in perpetuity.” Actually, that wasn’t obvious to everybody yesterday.
To be fair to Spencer, he did have a word for PlayStation fans. “If I'm a PlayStation person, all of a sudden I feel like, the franchise has gone,” he sympathised. “I didn't buy the IP. I didn't buy the studio. It's not mine. Where this thing will go over time, we'll see what happens with the game. I don't own every iteration of Tomb Raider.” At least he’s now come out and cleared things up – even if it did take a day.
Of course, we told you so yesterday. There was very clear wording in Microsoft’s announcement that signalled that the game would only be exclusive for the holiday season. However, many people took them true to their word, hence the outrage. At least you can rest safe in the knowledge that the game is almost certainly coming to the PS4 in the future. The even bigger frustration at this point, is that the Redmond-based company is essentially paying Square Enix to stop you from playing it.
[source eurogamer.net]
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but but but the game is rubbish... it doesn't sell... no one wants it....
"You're reading too much into it, Sammy."
Most Sony fans have disowned the series anyway now.
But idk Sammy.
@get2sammyb Well look at you, winning after a day.
@Jazzer94 Would have been smart of Square Enix to not be clear things up before the inevitable backlash started, then. This shouldn't really have been Phil Spencer's mess to clear in the first place.
So, can we look forward to you linking your reaction article every time the game gets mentioned from now on, @get2sammyb?
@k_andersen Yes! That sweet smell of smugness.
@k_andersen lol
there will be another article in 10 minutes when they see the post from Crystal Dynamics confirming it's exclusive. Sony could have blown this out of the water by showing off some Uncharted 4 gameplay and failed.
o.k. then Sony won Gamescon, what a pathetic move from Microsoft.... real exclusivity, brilliant, timed exclusivity is totally worthless
@get2sammyb This industry is just messy these days, I'm not understanding how SE will benefit from this.
@get2sammyb now now there's no need to gloat.
Just kidding, it's hilarious.
@Jazzer94 The only thing I can think is that they have a strong marketing partner to go up against Uncharted 4 now. Let's be honest, most people on this site would probably have picked Uncharted over this if they were coming out at the same time anyway.
I'm just glad it's all cleared up a bit better now.
well re-reading the article, he didn't exactly say that this game will come to PS4 only that future installments of the franchise would..... I still think Raise of the Tomb Raider will come to PS4, they'll be more emphatic about exclusivity if it wasn't
@voodoo341 Lol yep! That's what the angry Playstation fans were saying.
Yes, now the storm will clear a bit
Edit: But maybe Microsoft shouldn't have said that so soon..
@DualWielding He said the deal has a duration, which is a nice way of saying it's a timed exclusive.
Maybe Sony and MS should better stop with wasting money on all those exclusive deals and put that money in games.
"I'm not trying to fake anybody out in terms of where this thing is.”
That's EXACTLY what MS wanted and succeeded in doing yesterday... I was an original Xbox and 360 owner and loved them both but these days MS just seem to keep p*ssing me off...
oh I hope so, I really do
This was pretty obvious, for those who really looked at the wording they used yesterday. Actually, this comes across as desperate for Microsoft to me. They wanted a big "Wow" moment at gamescom and they got it for about a minute. Now it is kinda biting them in the rear and overall Sony definitely showed better games. Wild exclusivity, BloodBorne, and Until Dawn all interest me a lot more than timed tomb raider exclusive.
I won't keep going on about it because I'm probably coming across insufferable now, but an even bigger surprise to me is that this is coming to 360 as well. I had no idea. That's a shame, would have liked them to focus on new consoles.
To be fair, Phil didn't say how long the deal was. It seems like he was still pretty broad and vague about it, circling back to the franchise as a whole. Of course we know he doesn't own the ip, or else Sony wouldn't get that other Tomb Raider title.
While he said it could eventually come to other platforms, he didn't exactly say when. For all we know, it could be a multi-year, multi-game deal (at least concerning the main, reboot series) where by the time anybody else gets it on the platform of their choosing, it would be of no interest. If I was a gambling man, I'd wager this is the case. Or at the very least long enough to ride out Uncharted 4.
@get2sammyb not going to help much sell Xbones when people can play it on 360
"Let's be honest, most people on this site would probably have picked Uncharted over this if they were coming out at the same time anyway."
@get2sammyb Exactly like I said in my comment yesterday. Can I be smug? Maybe not as smug as you, but just a little?
SE can spend the MS money making the later PS4 version the better version. Everyone wins.
@get2sammyb What if they've told someone from SE, that they'll kill his family or something. OMG!!! MS is so scary.
@professorhat @get2sammyb That was obvious, there is nothing to be proud of.
@get2sammyb given the state of Xbox One sales, you'd think they'd pare back on the amount of content they provide for the 360 to entice people to upgrade. Unless they give the Xbox One version some sort of definitive treatment. At the same time, I can't blame MS for wanting to get as much as they can out of all their users.
Yeah shame this is for last gen also. Probably means it'll be toned down for PS4/Xbone like many other cross-gen games have been...
Arse.
So just like I said timed Exclusive
@Gemuarto - Wow, you're harsh. Not even a gentle let down, just body slammed to the pavement.
Bah, no biggie, Tomb Raider is not on my "premium list", gonna get it when it's on sale, like I got the Definitive-something-something-edition for PS4
Never liked the game anyways.
Smh. Now I definitely can get rid of my Xbone now. MS is so shady the only respectable guy is Phil Psencer. Sony has won Gamescom did MS have any new announcements at all ? Its a shame when you lack talented 1st party studios so you have to pay an have an exclusive for a few months. Uncharted 4 is going to blow this game always anyways . So I'll wait until the Definitive Edition on PS4 releases in 1080p 60fps and I'll buy a used copy for 30 bucks. @Gamer83 Now I have no reason to keep the MS console.
By the time Rise of the Tomb Raider comes out PS4 will be have at least a 20 million install base sold to customers. SE would be crazy to pass over that cash cow. At that same time frame Microsoft will be lucky to have cracked 10 million units shipped which I feel is unlikely because they don't really have nothing ground breaking coming out this year. The Master chief collection will sell pretty good among the exhisting fan base of 5 million shipped but I really don't think it will sell a lot of Xbox Ones. I think that success will be similar to Titan Fall which was minimal at best and didn't last long.
Jeebus Meist, this "console war" is becoming more and more ridiculous than the 2012 presidential elections. Microsoft is making Mitt Romney look like a reasonable person!
@Itachi This is Square Enix we're talking about. You know, the same guys who backed Thief, Murdered: Soul Suspect and the XIII trilogy? It's not at all surprising that they keep shooting themselves in the foot. SE makes the Red and Blue armies from Blood Gulch look like competent soldiers.
Heres my issue. SE came out talking about underperforming sales, and then released the next gen/pc versions if i remember correctly. Then because in part of how well it sold on ps4 especially compared to x1, well they had a surprisingly good quarter they did not expect. Not to mention, tomb raider was imo a damn good game. Not tomb raider, but as an uncharted with laura instead of drake very good game. Im flabbergasted in many ways right now. I will not be buying this on my x1 (at least not new) and instead will wait 3 days after the release and buy a used copy if i choose to buy it. I think its a terrible decision by se, a showboating dont forget about us move by ms, and i dont support it one bit. A new ip, or long dormant/ rebooting series you can buy exclusivity and im fine, an ongoing, beloved franchise? Thats wrong imo. To me it would be like if sony came out yesterday and said "gta v dlc, heists, and remastered version available FIRST on ps4". Oh well. One less game im not playing next year
If you are going to troll take it somewhere else please. Thanks -Tasuki-
I can deal with a timed exclusive. I usually wait til the price has gone down on most games before buying them new anyway.
Tomb Raider is a last gen game also? Like I said yesterday the reboot was alright, but not a game that gets me hyped like Bloodborne or Uncharted does. But it's good news for people that did want to play.
So why is MS the devil for doing this? Sony did this kind of stuff during the PS2 era with GTA and it was all good.
@Tasuki Not the devil for buying timed exclusivity (which usually works out in the other guys favor with better, complete, editions), but for trying to pretend that its a real exclusive.
So to recap. MS still hasn't learned if you're going to buy an 'exclusive' that this timed crap is stupid and serves no purpose but to anger everybody (it's an American company so not learning I guess isn't a surprise). I'm not pissed at MS for trying but it's still stupid. And SquareEnix is so f'ing scared of Uncharted 4 that it decides not to properly communicate with the fanbase that bought MORE copies of the last Tomb Raider game, the fanbase that has the fans of the series? SE and CD have that little respect for those people that they were willing to p*ss them off and leave a black cloud over Gamescom over an announcement of a game that should have excited everyone. All for a moneyhat. There's still time for MS to think about this and maybe up the offer though so I'm not going to get too comfortable until I actually see Rise of the Tomb Raider on PS4, the boycott is on. Not buying that stupid downloadable trash and definitely not buying Sleeping Dogs or any other 'Definitive Editions' because I know as soon as MS decides 'hey we want that game,' SE will go running right back to them regardless of whether the PS fanbase has given them more support. Any little bit of respect I had left for SE for some of the Western-developed games it published... gone. Any little trust I might've had... gone. Crystal Dynamics can still go to hell especially after that insulting PR letter that was written yesterday that instead of damage controlling just made the problem even worse. This whole thing still sucks and this kind of bs needs to stop. All because they're too chickensh*t to go right up against Uncharted 4 on PS4. Too bad for these idiots once Uncharted 4 releases, it's on the market, doesn't matter if RotTR is out the same day or a year too late.
@Gamer83 shall we hug? Let's hug. Fist of justice.
So basically your being smug cause it will eventually come to the PS4 well after the people on the Xbox One/ 360 have played it and moved on? Wow.....just....wow...
I also love how bullheaded you PlayStation fans are, it's just.....wow...lol
@get2sammyb
I'd have bought both, day one whenever they came out, same day, one month apart, whatever. I fail to see how this helps SE at all. Uncharted 4 doesn't go off the market when RotTR Complete Edition hits in Aug. 2016....
@hydeks "I also love how bullheaded you PlayStation fans are".
Aww, thanks
@hydeks: Most of the time when I finally get to a game because of my backlog people have already moved on so what is the difference?
@hydeks Can you read? He's "smug", because he called it being a "timed" exclusive, when they were acting like it was exclusive yesterday.
@Gamer83 it doesn't go off the market, but it's a proven fact that third-party titles make 90% of their lifetime sales within the first six months. By the time this game hits PlayStation Uncharted won't be a factor.
And I think this has more to do with the desire to attain that truck load of cash they're getting paid then fear of going against Uncharted. This game has a fanbase and it will sell no matter what it goes against
@JaxonH
Well, it'll be interesting to see how things eventually play out, when and if the game comes to PS4 (until it's officially confirmed headed to PS4 I'm not going to 100% count on it being there). What I did find funny in the letter that d*ck in a suit from Crystal Dynamics wrote was what an amazing partner MS has been. What's most hilarious to me is that, yes, it does seem like since the reboot was shown it has been MS hand-in-hand with SE/CD BUT when the game was actually sold it was the PS guys and gals not the Xbox guys and gals who were there to shell out the money. And these a-holes spit in our faces for a check and the 'apology' is don't worry for those who haven't you can still give us money for the Definitive Cash-in (which you won't get to play the sequel to) and we'll give you a downloadable game nobody wants. I get it, it's just business, that's fine. In my humble opinion, it would be awesome to see this completely backfire, see SE in worse shape than Capcom because of it and scumbag studio known as Crystal Dynamics shutdown. They are all slime.
@Shellybird27
You took the bait.
Wow that man spun his wheels a lot.
@hadlee73
It's also coming to 360 so no doubt it will be held back to some degree. If Naughty Dog does what I expect it will with Uncharted 4, it might make RotTR seem like child's play and then yes, by the time 2016 rolls around, SE's little game would be very irrelevant to PS fans. A stupid move all the way around except for potentially MS if it moves a good number of X1's, we'll have to see. The fact it's on 360 could hurt. I also like how they weren't up front about that right away either. Great PR.
That's a relief, I was really worried and sad, but also upset and angry too at Microsoft/Crystal/Square Enix etc.
@Gamer83 seriously man you need to chill before you blow a blood vessel. I totally get your anger at MS, they pulled a cheap move to gain all of 5 seconds in the spotlight. But your attitude towards SE is totally unreasonable, those guys made a good choice.
Look at it this way - if they'd released on both consoles, at the same time, 90% of ps4 owners would pick Uncharted up instead, regardless of the Tomb Raider quality, because it's just more embedded as the franchise that people expect results from. This way, while we play Uncharted, SE make a bit of cash from a few XB1 sales, that then feeds into improving the version of the game we get.
Your much touted fact that UC4 will be better isn't any more relevant now than it ever was before, yet I didn't see you trying to throw TR under a bus before this announcement. Some games will always be better or worse than others - doesn't make them bad games by any stretch, and if they're of reasonable quality then as somebody who likes games they should never be considered "irrelevant", just different games. I would be very surprised if ROtTR isn't still a pretty decent game.
The fact is that UC4 was always expected to be better. This way, we get to enjoy exactly the same ROtTR experience as XB1 users, maybe even better, at a time when we're not quite as busy playing the better game. It's a win win situation for us, yet you're condemning SE effectively because we weren't told about it until a day after the conference. I don't get it man, I really just don't get it. You still get to play the same game (or an improved version thereof), just at a time you are less busy.
No surprise here. But well done Sammy!
There was no way the exclusivity could not be timed. Not even MS would be willing to spend that cash. Just a question of when.
Kudos to Phil Spencer though. Such a breath of fresh air since he has taken over. At least he is honest and upfront. So much less BS then before.
Honestly, this is the best week XB has had since Titanfall was released.
@SteveButler2210
I'm not mad at MS at all. It doesn't have a strong stable of first party teams so in order to win it has to try and moneyhat. I'm pi$$ed at SE and CD for taking the money and sh*tting on PS owners when it's the PS owners who supported the game more despite the fact SE positioned it heavily as an Xbox game from the start. And the half-a$$ed apology was despicable. It'll be a decent game, no doubt, but it's also cross-gen, which has dampened some of my enthusiasm and the whole situation surrounding it doesn't make it better. We may or may not get a 'Complete Edition' for PS4, I'm still not counting on it being on PS4 until it's officially confirmed, and even then, it changes nothing in mind. SE crapped all over the PS fanbase, despite the fact it's the PS fanbase that keeps shelling out for SE's games. If they had just been honest about the whole thing, I would care, it's a business after all. But they announce it as exclusive and then take a pi$$ in PS owner's mouths by saying 'hey you still get that Lara Croft downloadable crap.' SE and CD are straight garbage companies, sell outs and I stand by that nothing would make me happier than to see SE in worse shape than Capcom.
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