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BeerIsAwesome

@RogerRoger I guess if it's something you'd enjoy with the purchase then it's not a bad idea. Personally, I would rather drop an appropriate amount on a one time fee and have none of the restrictions you get in a mobile game, like lives, energy, etc.

I don't begrudge humans and animals living in the same planet, but the weirdness of having only these half dozen animals ever reach the human world when in reality society would be like the city scenes in the Detective Pikachu movie. That, and minor contradictions among the line. Back then, these games didn't really have a canon. Either way, the entire franchise since Sega Of Japan overruled Sega Of America has been running on the Japanese canon anyway, which had humans in it from the very start. And if you have seen the lost media manga from the early days, Sonic was actually a Sailor Moon-esque transforming hero.

Heh, Sonic Prime is canon, and that literally is a multiverse series. But intentionally so rather than being the thing that fixes everything like in the Flash movie.

Unleashed is done and dusted. The graphics really do hold up, and I'd argue that the cutscenes genuinely look better than some animated movies! Other than some very cheap deaths, I forgot just how much I enjoyed it back in the day. Also Chip deserved better. 😭

Started Sonic 4 already, and just playing it for a few minutes to get a feel for things got me through all three acts of the first level and I bagged an emerald to boot! 🙃 This'll be over quickly, Super Sonic or otherwise. I'll get back to you with my thoughts on it, which will feed into your remasters comment.

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BeerIsAwesome

@RogerRoger Sonic 4 Episode 1 complete. Easily the worst game in the series after 06 and Spinball for the Game Gear.

So I mentioned remasters for a reason. The physics in this game are terrible for the simple reason there is absolutely zero momentum. A remake would fix this right up, since both Mania and Superstars have since released and got those physics right. Hell, every 2D game in the entire series got it right, save for the trio of pinball games. Although given that Sonic 4 is basically Sonic Greatest Hits, and much of the content in this game is done again in Mania, but better, does it really matter having a remake out there? 🤔

Up next, Episode 2, and then Generations. I could play the racing and Tennis games, but since they are significantly longer to beat than Sonic Drift 1 & 2 and Sonic R, I'll probably leave them until after the marathon.

BeerIsAwesome

RogerRoger

@BeerIsAwesome Didn't realise there was an early Sonic manga! You learn something new every day. I've seen the OVA "movie" from the mid-90s, which is... interesting, to say the least. I think I'm personally at the point where I'll just roll with whatever works best, on a game-by-game (or version-by-version) basis. I mean, everybody recoiled at the idea of Jim Carrey's Eggman, but he fit those movies so perfectly!

Yeah, thanks, I should've been clearer but I totally meant "using the multiverse to hand-wave away a bunch of discrepancies" rather than "writing something specifically set in a multiverse" but you got me!

Am so glad you highlighted Chip! He's a great character, and definitely did deserve better! Thought I was alone in liking him, but I was watching a streamer play through the game recently and they were saying the same, too. It's a real shame so many rushed to judgement with him. Once you get past his early, Omochao-esque "tutorial pest" vibe (which is a hundred times worse on PS2 and Wii) then he's awesome. Anyway, nice work clearing Unleashed. Am so pleased to see you still enjoyed it.

And am also pleased to see you dislike Sonic 4 Episode I. Sorry, that sounds awful, to be pleased that you didn't enjoy an experience, but you're reinforcing my general attitude towards the game. I've never liked it, not hugely, and its follow-up is a huge improvement in almost every single way.

Not sure I agree with you about it deserving a remake; as you say, there are already plenty of options out there to indulge Classic Sonic fans. Plus I'm sure there'll be dedicated modders who've "fixed" the physics in the PC version (which is frequently cheap and should run on a toaster by now). I think I'd be a bit more agreeable to preserving it had it been released in its original state, when it had a few more original gimmicks in its zones. I know they were reviled, and perhaps rightly so, but swapping them out for more traditional level design made the whole endeavour a bland copy-paste. If I wanna play through Green Hill, Labyrinth, Casino Night, Metropolis and the Death Egg nowadays, I can play Sonic Origins.

Never played Superstars Tennis myself but yeah, those crossovers with other SEGA characters would be best left until you're done with "proper" Sonic games, I'd agree. Generations awaits!

"We want different things, Crosshair. That doesn't mean that we have to be enemies."

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nessisonett

Tiger Woods 2004 has RetroAchievements support now. RIP my life, already having a blast.

Plumbing’s just Lego innit. Water Lego.

Trans rights are human rights.

BeerIsAwesome

@RogerRoger There's been all sorts of ways to make some sort of, I don't want to say personality, for Sonic and his world, but there's been plenty of ideas left on the cutting room floor. For example, there's the scrapped Madonna character, who would've been his girlfriend, but Sega felt it was a bit too silly. Sonic was also a part of a band, which had it happened, would actually have been Vector The Crocodile's first appearance in the series. You can't say Sega haven't tried to take risks after all!

The only person who could've done comedy Robotnik better than Jim Carrey in my opinion is Long John Baldry, and I think you know why. 😁

I think it's probably most appropriate just to say Chip is a generally likeable character, even without the context of the game. I definitely liked him!

I concur, Episode 1 is perhaps too lost a cause. I have literally played a couple of acts of 2, and I already think it's significantly better. This is under the proviso that I've basically not played it in any capacity since just after release. You're totally right though, every zone is just a remix of established zones. Sonic Mania did it far better.

I guess it's fair to say that the tennis game is just a reskinned Virtua Tennis. Not bad, not spectacular, but for a few years, Virtua Tennis was the only tennis game out there with up to date players. Looking forward to Generations, and playing zones from games like Sonic 4. 😁

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nessisonett

@BeerIsAwesome Have you played the 3DS version of Generations? It’s absolutely brilliant and a different game all round.

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Trans rights are human rights.

RogerRoger

@nessisonett Speaking of your fondness for annual sports games, are you still retrospectively playing through the FIFA series, or did you wrap that up a while back?

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@BeerIsAwesome If it weren't for the consistent high quality and staying power of Mike Pollock (who really does deserve every scrap of praise he gets) then Long John Baldry would be my brain's default Eggman / Robotnik voice, for sure. He's who I used to hear whenever I'd read the comics as a kid.

I'm gonna risk presuming that you must've finished Sonic 4: Episode II by now...? Weirdly enough, I saw something the other day about its final boss being made into a new playset, as part of Sonic's big push for a consistent merchandising presence. Feels like a very random choice; as much as I love Episode II and that boss in particular (mostly for its music) I always figured I was in a very small minority, and so I would've taken so many other, different shots before guessing that as a new toy design!

Colours on the DS is basically Sonic Rush 3, and that is absolutely not a criticism. It falls a little short after Rush Adventure, but it's a big improvement over Rush. Highly recommended.

"We want different things, Crosshair. That doesn't mean that we have to be enemies."

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Making It So Since 1987

nessisonett

@RogerRoger I’ve been playing through 08 on the PS3 but that requires hooking it up to a TV rather than just emulating so it requires more effort! PS3 emulation isn’t quite at the level yet where it’s as scalable as the PS2 so you need a pretty good machine to get it running well.

Plumbing’s just Lego innit. Water Lego.

Trans rights are human rights.

RogerRoger

@nessisonett Ah yes, of course! Forgot you were emulating. It's a shame that the PS3 is such a pain in that regard. When my PS2 started to die, I took some comfort in the fact that emulation was a viable option. Makes me nervous about my PS3's lifespan... but hey, that's Future Rog's problem!

"We want different things, Crosshair. That doesn't mean that we have to be enemies."

PSN: GDS_2421
Making It So Since 1987

nessisonett

@RogerRoger My PS3’s definitely starting to die, had some overheating troubles with it so the thermal paste probably needs replacing.

Plumbing’s just Lego innit. Water Lego.

Trans rights are human rights.

BeerIsAwesome

@RogerRoger Mike Pollock is the most underrated voice actor out there, and I'm glad Sega have stuck with him over the years. I think each actor suits a look. The late Long John Baldry had the classic Robotnik look to his voice, Mike Pollock and Deem Bristow (RIP) sound very similar to eachother, but they do sound like modern Eggman.

Yep, Sonic 4 parts 1 and 2 are done and dusted. Would've done them quicker if I had actually turned my PS3 on instead of spending all day a few days ago doing some materials collecting on Genshin Impact. Episode 2 was by far and away a better game than Episode 1. The level design, the gameplay, and even just the addition of a bit of forward momentum was enough to turn 4 into something salvageable. Plus they also made the levels in such a way that Tails was essential rather than just being the AI-controlled guy on a leash as has been the case in many platform games with two or more characters. Speaking of Lego, I actually have the original Sonic Lego set. Unopened as of yet, but I'll build it one day.

Up next is Sonic Generations, which while it's been a while since I played it (like 10+ years), I remember being a really fun game to play. Once I've beaten it, it's time for the home stretch, featuring all the PS4 games with a quick stop off on the PC to play the modern version of Sonic X-treme, Sonic Lost World. Unfortunately, due to the title of this thread, I can't discuss any of them, so I'll have to talk lore instead.

Speaking of which...The IDW comics according to Ian Flynn are canon (as is Tailstube). So, the comics reference various games and characters, thereby making each thing they reference a part of canon. As it turns out, the Babylon Rogues are in fact recurring characters in the comic, and therefore that makes the Riders games canon for as long as Ian Flynn is involved in the creative side. Still no word on the three or four characters from SatAM/Archie everybody wants to make a return.

@nessisonett My PS3 Super Slim is still working like a dream! My old phat lives out it's days as a bluray player, but isn't exactly on it's last legs. My PS4 Pro however...that thing roars like a jet engine at the slightest provocation. Playing Ghost Of Tsushima? 747. Playing Minecraft? Fighter Jet. On the PS4's main screen? Radio controlled airplane. 😜

BeerIsAwesome

nessisonett

FM24 is yeah, more of the same, but the ability to import 23 save files is fantastic, managed to get the 1998 mod working. Signed Southgate and an 18 year old Robbie Keane for Liverpool, had no idea that they had such a dreadful back line that year. It’s bizarre, Michael Owen is one of the best players in the database, McManaman and Ince are great too but they have such gaping holes too. Steve Staunton is probably the best defender they have but he murdered his wrist so had to bring in Southgate. I do love how it has modern valuations though, fat Ronaldo is worth £300 million!!

Plumbing’s just Lego innit. Water Lego.

Trans rights are human rights.

LtSarge

@nessisonett I don't know if this will work for you, but when I had overheating problems with my PS3, which led to it shutting down whenever I tried to boot up a game, I lowered the resolution output in the system settings. I used to have it on 1080p but then I lowered it to 720p and now my PS3 doesn't shut down while trying to boot up a game.

LtSarge

RogerRoger

@nessisonett Eep, sorry to hear. I had similar last year, but mostly because I was trying to play a PS3 game at the height of that ridiculous heatwave. Could only get an hour in, very early morning! That's a good tip from @LtSarge though. I wouldn't have thought to try that, but it makes sense.

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@BeerIsAwesome I've been avoiding the more recent Sonic LEGO sets, but I saw the cheap Shadow one they announced the other day and knew it'd be an immediate purchase!

Glad you ended up enjoying Sonic 4 Episode II a lot more (eventually... hey, those materials ain't gonna farm themselves, right?). Honestly, with its addition of the 'Episode Metal' revisits, I find that I have little reason to boot up Episode I anymore. It's enough just to run through one act from each zone, and then settle in for Episode II proper. And yes, 100% agreed regarding Tails. They did him proud.

Generations is one of my all-time favourites. Hope you enjoy! Will be real interesting to see what you make of Lost World. I'd recommend avoiding its KB&M controls on PC. They're unnecessarily obtuse.

And that's pretty neat, that they're unifying as much as possible like that, and that they rescued the Riders games (and therefore the Babylon Rouges) from being sidelined. I'm sure they'll use whatever characters make the most sense for each game. Whilst I'm always wary of any "cult of personality" nonsense when it comes to Sonic's creative control (mostly because of the fandom) Ian Flynn has done pretty well thusfar, especially with making Frontiers feel special. Gives me hope, at least!

"We want different things, Crosshair. That doesn't mean that we have to be enemies."

PSN: GDS_2421
Making It So Since 1987

nessisonett

@LtSarge That could maybe sort it, it’s bizarrely enough happening way more with early PS3 games which makes me think that the PS3 just had the worst optimised games on the planet!

Plumbing’s just Lego innit. Water Lego.

Trans rights are human rights.

JohnnyShoulder

@nessisonett Try playing Skyrim on it and report back!

Life is more fun when you help people succeed, instead of wishing them to fail.

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.

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nessisonett

@JohnnyShoulder Hahaha, I tried to go into my Skyrim file a couple months back and forgot how insane that port was. It’s obviously what I played first, but I’d say it was a worse experience than me playing it on the Mac through a Wineshell, which was about as silly as you’d expect.

Plumbing’s just Lego innit. Water Lego.

Trans rights are human rights.

BeerIsAwesome

@RogerRoger Somewhere on an Amazon wishlist I have the Lego Atari 2600 and the Lego NES, and I'm pretty sure both of them cost more than the systems they are based on. Some Lego stuff is pretty awesome, but I find myself thinking that Lego has now put themselves into the position of having licensed content going forward, and then upping the price accordingly.

As far as Sonic 4-1 goes, I'm happy enough to not play it any time soon. There is a small lore discrepancy somewhere in the middle of all this. We're on the Little Planet of Sonic CD fame, which also reappears in Sonic Mania, both of which feature time travel shenanigans. Yet in this one Eggman seems to forget the signposts that let you travel in time. Although given none of the stages in this game appear in any other games, I guess they can be explained off as having no signposts in any of those particular zones (as can much of the Sonic canon at this point).

As well as the Babylon Rogues, IDW has also featured Mighty and Ray in their comics, and also Blaze. I haven't read any of the IDW yet, still working my way through Archie. I think there's about 3,000 characters that series introduced that will never be mentioned ever again, and about a tenth of that from Fleetway. But I digress. Mighty and Ray have been canonized on TailsTube, and Mania can probably be considered canon given it's recency. I think the only real reason they don't show up so much is because their parts have been taken by other either better known characters, or more popular. Like they said in an episode of TailsTube, they are basically upgraded versions of Sonic and Tails. If this were still the Mega Drive era, you can imagine them being in some sort of spin-off not dissimilar to Ristar or Rocket Knight, and just never really be mentioned again.

The Babylon Rogues have only ever appeared in their trio of games, basically as a "monster of the week", so Sega still acknowledging them is awesome. Blaze did actually appear in about 6 games prior to the PS4, and then only appeared in Team Sonic Racing (which is apparently canon) before being left out of Sonic Forces, where she would've been an obvious choice for Sonic's replacement while he was "getting tortured for 6 months". Although the Sonic Fandom page says she appears in The Murder Of Sonic The Hedgehog, so she's still getting official game appearances (wikis are a godsend for people like me who read into lore of things). Also canon in the games, Tangle the Lemur and Sticks The Badger, since they both get mentioned in Sonic Frontiers.

The more you know! Sonic Generations is an easier game than I remember it being. Back in t'olden days, I actually sprung for the super special collector's edition of the game, which has an artbook, CD of music from previous games, a Sonic and Sonic statue, and a little collectable ring! Other than some screen tearing, I have no criticisms of this game so far.

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BeerIsAwesome

@nessisonett @LtSarge No kidding! Pretty much everything made for the PS3 up until just before Uncharted 2 came out was a bit of an afterthought. Shoddy ports, people saying Sony should've given up (thanks Lord Gaben!) and so on. Imagine Naughty Dog being the guys who basically turned the entire platform's fortunes around!

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