Is a dedicated PlayStation event really happening before the year is out? If you're a devout follower of industry "insiders", then you'll probably answer that question with a resounding 'yes'. But the reality is that Sony has become incredibly difficult to predict, especially when it comes to its consumer-facing actions.
The Japanese giant does, of course, have a history of setting out its stall through heavily promoted showcases. In years past, it relied on events like the 'PlayStation Experience' as a way to unveil new hardware and upcoming games. These big shows would exist in addition to the platform holder's annual E3 press conferences. This simply isn't how Sony does things in the PS5 generation, although it's worth reminding ourselves that it did host a PlayStation Showcase just last year (on the 9th September, 2021).
Instead, the company seems far happier to drip-feed information to fans through its State of Play presentations — shorter, snappier digital events that still pull impressive viewing numbers, but don't have the pomp of a "proper" showcase. That's not to say a State of Play can't have megaton announcements — the last two broadcasts in particular have had plenty of AAA surprises — but if, like us, you once felt the hype of an impending E3 presser, you'll know what we're getting at.
But back to the topic at hand: will there be some kind of PlayStation event in 2022? We're nearing the end of September at the time of writing this article, and those aforementioned "insiders" have spent months telling us that a showcase is just around the corner. As you'd expect, the rumourmongering is starting to reach new heights now that we're hurtling towards 2023, but Sony maintains its silence on the matter.
It's worth pointing out that none of the usual social media suspects saw the most recent State of Plays coming. Sony has a good handle on its secrecy these days — at least when it comes to its event schedule — and so you can never truly count out the sudden announcement of a showcase.
And, to be fair, there are a few things that might suggest Sony has a show up its sleeve. For starters, you would bet on God of War Ragnarok getting a gameplay deep dive before it launches on the 9th November. We also need a release date (and a price!) for PSVR2. And on top of that, we've got Final Fantasy XVI's producer saying that a new trailer is dropping within the next month or so. Hmmm.
But look, it's easy to line things up in order to suit your speculation. It's entirely possible (and perhaps more probable) that Ragnarok will get its own State of Play. The same could happen for PSVR2. That Final Fantasy XVI trailer could pop up in the middle of the night with no warning whatsoever. Who knows.
Anyway, we've rambled on long enough. We want to know what you think. Do you believe Sony will surprise us with some kind of showcase before 2022 comes to an end? Vote in our polls, and then explain yourself in the comments section below.
I don't think so. If there is one, it won't be as big as past years. I don't think they have much to show off for upcoming AAA games that are not years away.
PlayStation Showcases are not a joke Jim! Millions of gamers suffer every year!
I hope so. I am curious what we are going to be looking forward for the next year. So far its Spider Man 2 and a few third party exclusivity deals (Final Fantasy XVI for example.)
So far we been "eating through" games that were all first announced during the PS5 reveal and launch. I think the only things from that list that we have not seen dates for yet are Spiderman 2 and Wolverine, and I honestly don't expect Wolverine until 2024.
Just hope they don't flood us only with VR announcements.
Also, please, no more showing games that wont show up 2 or 3 years down the line. Focus on the 12 months following the presentation, please!
@bpomber This is a fair point. If you added the last two State of Plays together, you'd have enough for a full showcase. But the fact those State of Plays happened means Sony would need even more stuff to fill a full event.
I personally don’t really care because I have too many games to play as it is 😅. If they wanted to take 5 years off that would be fine with me.
Doubt they have enough Games to show that would fill a Showcase lol. 2023 will VR2, maybe Spider Man 2 and thats it. They wouldnt have dropped Rise of the Ronin at the last SoP if they had an Showcase planned.
Thats what happens when most of your Studios are only developing big AAAA Cinematic (Semi) Open World Games. They take way too long to develop
I don't need a showcase given all that they've showed us in the past 12 months. When I look at the list of games coming to PS5 in the next few years that I want to play I know I'll never have time for all of them.
I do love a good show though, and the points raised in the article about God of War, FF XVI and PSVR2 are what I keep thinking about too - The lack of info for each of these could point to a full blown showcase in the next month, or, they could each end up getting own showcases.
Edit: That Helldivers 2 leak though, this is what has me thinking that a showcase in the next month or two is more likely than unlikely.
We don't know half of what SIE has cooking, let alone third party deals.
If I had to guess it will be next year as I do not think enough first party studios have anything ready to show yet. But I do think we will get another state of play centred around ragnarok in October. Was really needing a showcase this year to drown out some of the bad news from PS this year, but we are where we are
There will be something because of Ragnarok but not sure if it will be bigger than that.
My prediction is a showcase focused mainly on PSVR2
I do think it's happening in October with what's been listed above, some PC announcements, the final Persona anniversary announcement coming this Fall and there was that game Sony accidentally leaked on their twitter page which didn't appear in the recent State of Play.
As for what happened in September, probably a mixture of wanting to give TLoU Part 1 space while also wanting Nintendo to reveal Zelda release date before committing to specific release dates for stuff like PSVR2. Zelda now has a May 12th release date so February/March would probably be a good fit for PSVR2 release.
Don't know why people still think there will be a showcase.
If you look at the 1st party studios you can take guesses at where they are with their projects based on industry knowledge alone and most of them have nothing to show unless you would like just CG trailers galore.
As for 3rd party, those games have been shown on other game shows already,
My PS5 game list has games until April 2023.
That does not include what is sure to be a few games from October being bumped off to the back of it.
I would like the PSVR2 price announced. But no need for an entire show to do that.
@Grumblevolcano With how kinda strained Sonys Relationship is with Atlus atm I doubt they will ever reveal any new Game by them during their Streams lol
@Shepherd_Tallon The Helldivers Trailer could be for the Game Awards tho
Don’t really care to be honest. The only thing I’m interested in finding out from them is release date and price for PSVR2, but as that doesn’t release this year I don’t need that anytime soon.
Jim Ryan looking like the CSI Miami guy.
This is precisely what I was saying in the other thread. Sony's silence since Ryan has taken the helm has been ironically deafening.
The fact that this article exists on if Sony will have a 2022 show when they haven't had one now in over a year, and that they haven't even announced a show, are proof positive that they refuse to communicate with their userbase. They won't give us game info let alone when we can expect information to be forthcoming.
That leads many fans, myself included, to wonder why we own a PS5 in the first place? Thus far, a majority of what I'm looking forward too are third party games that I can get just about anywhere. Playstation has lost what made it an incredible platform to play on... great exclusive titles; especially with all the PC ports as of late.
Under Ryan's management, Playstation doesn't stand out. If they're not careful, the platform will become obsolete.
Unless they have a ton out of the blue games I just don’t see it happening this year now. There has been quite a bit of PlayStation news that would have been suitable for a show but they’ve released it in small YouTube trailers.
I see a state of play next month though just to highlight GoW2 some more.
I'll let you know in December.
I want to say yes because of helldivers 2 leak, but I don't know when.
Kind of agree w/ the article.
GoW:R get's it's own SoP in October
PSVR2 gets it's own SoP whenever it's about ready to release
FF16 gets it's own thing from Squenix
But I feel like I don't know a lot about PS5 games for next year so I could do w/ a Nov or Dec Sony Showcase for 2023.
I know Forspoken had a lot of coverage at TGS but as 1 of the first really big PS5 games that's also not on PS4 I think it needs more exposure, preferably positive.
Or maybe Sony just pays Geoff for a lot of ads. 🤷♂️
I'm not sure it will be a "showcase". I expect a thing for PSVR2 to be their major push closer to the holidays. I don't think they otherwise have much to talk about that they haven't already shown. Unless they're ready to blow the lid off the next 3 years up front, which I don't think they are, I just don't think they have much to talk about at all other than showing "more" GoW and a big VR push. Unless we want Hogwarts to be the next Deathloop of never shutting up about it, but it's not even a Sony game.
'That leads many fans, myself included, to wonder why we own a PS5 in the first place?'
I am perfectly happy with my PS5 purchase. I've played some amazing games like Returnal, Demon Souls, Spider-Man, R&C, Astro, Sackboy plus all the PS5 enhanced stuff. I love how quick games load, the new haptic controller is great. I'm perfectly happy with my PS5 and when PSVR2 is out I will be stupidly happy.
It should happened this year.but we will see.my backlog of games is huge.so whenever it comes we will see.word up son
@IonMagi Didn't you say that the Persona ports wouldn't come to PlayStation because they had a bad relationship with SEGA yet we still have them coming to PlayStation
@riceNpea Hence why I used the verbiage "many" instead of "all". A vast majority of PS5 software is just as enjoyable on PS4, X1, PC and even Switch. PS5 doesn't stand out anywhere except the controller.
When Xbox bought 48 hour release information, first time that has happened.
@Uncharted2007 Strangely, after the TGS showcase we do know of a number of PS (console) exclusive games including the FF games etc. But the strange part is VERY little of "PS exclusive" content is actually made by PS Studios. Most of it is just purchased or time-purchased third party content.
Though part of PS's identity crisis (I mentioned in the other thread about how they've always defined PS's identity by who their competitors weren't more than by who PS is), but another part of their other identity crisis is that a lot of their historical identity was accidental. A lot of the games we define PS by weren't PS exclusive because they were brought to us by Sony, they were PS exclusive by natural monopoly because devs built games for it for its unique at the time storage media and thus it couldn't work on other devices. Once the natural tech monopoly ended, the games that defined them stopped being specific to them because it defined them by circumstance and coincidence, not be strategic design.
Jim's failure then becomes less about "losing" PS's identity as much as not recognizing that PS had one that was lost, and not trying to really fix that, instead just chasing the trends with the highest revenue lines, and operating in a standard "big media company" fashion, after the film and music division's examples. Sony Pictures and BMG/SMG don't need an identity. They just throw out products that sell with the current trend. PS is just doing the same. And the media consumer eats it up, unaware of the sense of "identity" of a platform at all.
I think they hold a showcase but its after God of War.
Then get the excitement going for a big 2023 with new games, VR and just outline the future of “the best place to play”.
We will get a showcase unless spider man 2 ain’t coming out next year.
@NEStalgia Interesting take. Indeed, games like Resident Evil, Tomb Raider, and earlier GTA games all felt very Playstation-centric but were in fact third party and multiplat. Maybe Playstation never had an actual product identity. 🤔
They better get on it.
Pretty easygoing myself. I’d like one, but only because I enjoy a good reveal as much as the next cat. But I don’t have a PS5 yet and don’t plan getting one until the slim (or whatever redesign comes next), so I won’t be buying any new announcements for a good while yet anyhow.
@NEStalgia PlayStation identity is premium aaa experiences unlike they’re competitors.
@Uncharted2007 Third parties have always been part of PlayStation's identity. Some of the biggest games on that system like Final Fantasy, Resident Evil, Metal Gear Solid were third party games. Even a lot of series I identify with PlayStation such as Yakuza and Persona are third party games. Sony has always had their first party games but only in recent years does it feel like they've tried to push their first party games more compared to the past. Due to many series going multi platform over time, with other options like PC and Switch popping up PlayStation has lost a lot of that identity as being the only place to play these unique experiences. I still enjoy playing the brand and it has the games I want but it lacks a lot of the identity it once had years back especially on PS1 and PS2.
@Sam_ATLUS That doenst mean their Relationship is not in a bad spot now haha. Playstation owners dont get an Upgrade to the PS5 P5R Version, nor Save Game Import or anything. Also they pretty much turned their back on Sony with launching their Games on Xbox of all Platforms and even Gamepass after over 20 year of Persona (Mainline) exclusivity.
I still think they're missing a bit of a trick when it comes to marketing.
In many ways PlayStation as a brand is far bigger than E3 ever was.
I feel like they should create some kind of PlayStation Week and have their own showcase during it.
It could be used to celebrate the games/hardware of the last 12 months and obviously to promote the future
@Uncharted2007 15 million PS5s sold. How many would you say is many? For me the number of people not happy with their PS5 would be in the region of a 4 digit number. What do you think, amigo? 👍Considering how long so, so many of that 15 million had to wait for a PS5 to be available (4.5 million sold at launch) they'd have to be a bit silly to buy into a console they thought wasn't offering them much value yet.
What I do agree with you, and where I think your point needs slight adjusting to hit home if I may say so, is that unlike all the other console generations there hasn't been a line in the sand where PS5 and Xbox X get games built from the scratch for only their console so ALL development time goes into making it truly next gen. But even then in that department Sony has gone much further than MS with their 1st party games. Overall if anyone was interested in experiencing games not possible on old machines Sony is the only publisher that delivered it with a handful of their PS5 only games.
I'll be happy to eat my words I just don't think they have much to show for 2023 and that's why I don't think they'll be a showcase this year, this time next year YES. Also they've kind of drip fed us all through the year. Imo the last 2 state of plays have been really good and if that's the standard from now on honestly don't mind.
@IonMagi I think Final Fantasy showcases that the future of Persona is still very much unknown. Lots of PS exclusive Final Fantasy came to Switch and XB1 in 2018-2019 with Game Pass gradually going through all those games and the ones already on Xbox in 2019-2022. Even recently, Crisis Core remaster got announced for Switch and Xbox. But FF16 and the FF7 Remake trilogy are seemingly permanent PS console exclusive. You also have situations like Octopath Traveler skipping PS4 but Octopath Traveler II skipping Xbox.
So I could see Persona 6 go either way. It could be PS exclusive announced in a Playstation Showcase or it could be announced somewhere else being full multiplatform and coming to Game Pass.
They did mention in a blog that their latest SoP was part of TGS. I dunno maybe we get a showcase late October or very early November and it will include a deep dive of Ragnarok in this showcase plus a good few announcements didn't see coming big and small games along with some updates on Spiderman 2 and Wolverine plus some PSVR2 secrets they've kept hidden. Or could simply be no showcase this year at all and just one more SoP instead for Ragnarok and FF update. With PS being tight lipped on these things it does get very exciting when they actually do announce one though. This showcase is pretty much 50/50 ain't got a clue tbh
@Ssimsim I hope there are plenty of games that take full advantage of PS5 but 2023 will be the year of PSVR2 for me. Its going to radically transform how I game I think.
PSVR was great during the 3 month honeymoon period I had with it but once it was clear it that it wasn't quite powerful enough to offer blockbuster visuals and complexity to match the immersion, it was only ever going to serve as lovely diversion from 2D gaming.
For me PSVR2, if it performs how I hope it does, could become the defacto way for me to play games from mow on. Especially games that benefit most from it, like driving and flying games. After playing driving games in VR it's really hard to accept going back to regular TV.
Earlier in the year I thought there would be for sure but after the last two State of Plays I don't think so anymore. There was enough news packed into those two presentations that I don't think it's needed anymore. Plus God of War is kind of carrying the hype train alone for most PS fans anyway.
I think we will get a God of War focused State of Play, one more smaller State of Play in December, and then maybe they kick off next year with a bang by announcing a Showcase in February or March.
I dont mind at this point if we get one or not - but i would appreciate Sony just coming out and saying its not happening if that indeed is the case to stop the speculation.
We will defo be getting a GOW State of Play, so i dont see ragnorak featuring in a future showcase - so it depends how confident Sony are in what else they have to show.
Something featuring spiderman, wolverine, horizon dlc, silent hill and/or MGS, and final fantasy 16 would be great though. You would think naughty dog have enough to show of LOU factions by now too, and then deviation, firewalk, and haven have been very quiet
@riceNpea yeah I agree I do think it will be PSVR2 year I wasn't really including that when I said they don't have much to show, I do feel they will have a show for PSVR2 but will probably be state of play.
I was watching something on YouTube about the tech of PSVR2 about the eye rendering which just blew my mind it's going to be top tier headset in fact it will probably be the best headset out, come release in certain aspects.
GoW gets a dedicated one next month, PSVR2 gets one Dec/Jan...thats it.
@Uncharted2007 I mostly agree with you, but I've been viewing this last two years as an "extended prologue" with the next gen REALLY starting in 2023. Sony has so many studios we haven't heard anything from. I may be reaching here but I think Sony is going to absolutely ball out in 2023.
@Uncharted2007 some valid points but on the flip side Sony's radio silent makes any small nugget of info given, feel like a drop of water to someone in the desert. People are constantly speculating and theorising what they plan next (e.g this article)...how can they be left behind when their constantly on everyones mind? The alternative would be what Xbox is going through this year by revealing pretty much everything, then getting egg on their face from delay upon delay, PS4 went through similar problems and Sony likely reversed their reveal policy due to this.
If they're going to do one, I see it in October or 2023. Once you hit November, there's less of a need for one - Ragnarock is out, holiday season is here, and January is the next-best bet.
But I know nothing. It's all speculation.
@Grumblevolcano I really can't stand how the games industry inside baseball bribery culture has created this volatile situation where we have series that rotate between different platforms inconsistently. Even as someone that owns and actively plays all 3 consoles I get very tired of 1 & 2 are on PS, 3 is on Nintendo and PS, 4 is on Nintendo and Xbox, 5 is on Xbox and PS, 6 is on all 3, and 7 is on Nintendo only. IDC if a series favors PS or Ninty or XB, or multiplat but pick a darned set of platforms for a series and STAY THERE, or expand beyond it to include more, but don't just keep jumping out of one and into another across a series!
@roe They did that with PSX. Then Jim ended it......
@uptownsoul Somewhat true, my point wasn't really about a PS owned studio necessarily, I didn't meant to excluded the colloquial "second party" - R&C is a Sony-owned brand Insomniac was formerly contracted to make. Bloodborne is a Sony-owned brand made in collaboriation with Sony's Japan Studio and From Soft, etc. But the "third party" content they're doing now is not their own IP at all. Forspoken is just a timed exclusive (that may or not go off console, Square owns it), FF is Square-owned. Ronin is Koei owned. They're just licensing totally third party games these days, trying to recreate by contract what was once a tech driven natural monopoly. Very different situation from having external studios like Insomniac, etc making games in their own R&C, Resistance, etc. Though the modern take is more like how they did Spyro and Crash back in the PS1 era....which.....considering their main rival is about to own those.....kind of demonstrates why it's not a good idea. A lesson MS also learned with Mass Effect and Jade Empire going to EA (and thus eventually to someone else when EA is sold.)
@4kgk2 Unlike the "premium AAA experiences" offered by Ubisoft, 2K, Embracer Group, Square-Enix, Capcom, Microsoft/Bethesda/ABK, Sega, EA.....(and by some points of view, Nintendo)?
A certain percentage of PS fans may feel that PS as a publisher has superior output to these other companies, but that's a highly subjective opinion. ALL these companies provide "similar" calibre AAA experiences. If Sony's brand of AAA experiences is an identity "being AAA but better than other AAA" isn't really it. There may be an argument that "over the shoulder third person cinematic action adventure" is their current identity. But that's both a pretty shallow identity and also probably not their identity going forward with the stated live service push.
There's an opportunity for VR to become PS5's real identity, even if a large chunk of the gaming public isn't comfortable with or interested in VR, but I'm not sure an accessory console that will likely cost as much or more than the console itself will catch on enough to be a true identity. I think the ownership cost will keep it a small enough niche that it remains distant from being a platform identity.
It will happen when it happens. I don’t understand the constant need to know what’s happening in the distant future. The next 6 to 7 months are stacked. As soon as there is news on a new game people talk for 20 minutes then they get bored and move on to the next big announcement. It is a cycle that never ends and I’m just enjoying playing what’s out and looking forward to next couple of months. Some people just need to enjoy the present a bit more
@NEStalgia PlayStation AAA games Quality wise are on another level from third party games this not my opinion this is facts. Sony themselves said they’re games are like premium Theater releases unlike Microsoft games which feel like cheap Direct to dvd/stream firms.
As I said a week or two ago that Sony might not be in a position to show much. And the problem is if Sony do a showcase and they don't announce a decent load of games, it'll be seen by many as worse then doing an actual showcase.
Having said that when GoW Ragnarok launches it'll bring an end to all the PS Studios games that were announced during Sony's showcases in 2020 that pretty much outlined their roadmap for the next two years. So you can understand the feeling that we should be due to know a lot more about what's coming from PS Studios from 2023-2025.
Nah. Sony got nothin'.
It’s either a God Of War: R state of play or a showcase with the headliner being God of War. There’s definitely going to be something to hype up the masses before GOW, Black Friday & XMAS.
People seem to want PlayStation to show their entire hand for the next 2-3 years the way they did back in 2016, and then complain for the next 2-3 years that they 'showed those games too soon', like some people already are about Wolverine & the KOTOR Remake.
While I do agree we need to see what Sony First-Party Studios have up their sleeves, 2023 looking like another jam-packed year for PlayStation even with a lack of First Party reveals, however they do need one BIG game from Sony First-Party Studios for 2023, and it's looking likely Insomniac's Spider-Man 2 will be that game, on top of Forspoken, FF16, Stellar Blade, Helldivers 2, FFVII Rebirth (Maybe), Factions 2 (Seems VERY likely), among other games I'm blanking on atm, and a plethora of PSVR2 Games like Horizon: Call of the Mountain, Firewall Ultra, Firmament, RE8 & RE4, Star Wars: Tales from the Galaxy's Edge, The Walking Dead: Saints & Sinners Chapter 2, No Man's Sky & Among Us. Also the Devs behind Lost Souls Aside said a month ago (I think) that we can expect big news to drop before the end of the year, so maybe Lost Souls Aside could be a 2023 title as well.
My point is that is a lot to look forward to on PlayStation in 2023, regardless of a lack of First-Party titles, as such I'm content waiting until PlayStation themselves are ready to show us what their First-Party Studios are working on, I don't want them to rush-out a half-assed showcase like every other studio (That isn't PlayStation or Nintendo) has been doing since 2018.
Sony is doing the only thing it can and simply keeping quite until it has something to say.
Speculation will happen regardless.
I'd like to see a showcase, I appreciate a bit of a preview and I think Sony will have a few things worth showing, but it doesnt irritate me we havent heard anything. I cant pretend I havent been fed well by playstation this year, ive enjoyed a lot of games, and with GOW almost here, im not desperate to see whats next, but I hope we do. It would seem strange to have no show and just the SOPs this year...
@4kgk2 That's very much an opinion. I mean it's cool and all to feel like PS is the publisher with the best games, it's a site dedicated to all things PS after all so that's not an outlandish opinion for anyone to have here, and that may be an identity for it to you, but it's not really a true platform identity because those games can't be quantified as objectively superior. The AAA industry is really doing much of the same things as each other, for better or worse, and a possible perception of "it's the same type of stuff but usually higher quality" even if it could objectively be defined, isn't really an "identity" for the platform. Even if it were an identity for PS as a publisher, they're going to be selling that on PC as well. So it still doesn't define the identity of owning a PS console.
If we go back to the 8 and 16 bit platforms, for example. Some would say Nintendo's identity was "Mario" But that's not quite right. One IP isn't an identity for the platform. What became its identity was the platforming GENRE front and center, with Mario at its peak. Mario paved the way to make the NES/SNES synonymous with the look and feel of platforming games. And in Japan, same with JRPGs, which migrated over time to a niche in the West as well. When you think of an NES/SNES you mostly think of platformers and JRPGs. That's the platform identity. Sega consoles, you think fighters, front and center. You think of beat-em-ups. Arcade games at home. That was its identity (sometimes to a fault.)
PS1 you mostly think of the JPRGs of the time, you think of the new 3D graphics, you think of the mishmash of odd gameplay of the time. PS2 you think of RPGs, early shooters, you think of 3d platformers. We think of combo-driven action games in the (old) GoW motif. Whole genres we still say to day "that seems like a PS2 game" because we identify the gameplay and look with the platform.
A platforms identity can come from it's features, or way you interact with it (XB Series is of course defined heavily by it's Game Pass identity), traditionally it was inspired by a visual look/style and/or genres. Types of content you internalize as part of a given platform.
Since PS4, PS doesn't have any such identity. A few tentpole franchises that are "higher quality" (even if objective) than similar franchises from other companies doesn't really define the whole platform. PS4 didn't need an identity so much because it was practically alone on the market with no real competition. But PS5.....it needs an identity. Right now its identity is "expensive games, high prices, hard to find!" lol
@Shepherd_Tallon Uh which list are you looking at?
Because from PS Studios we only know about Spider-Man 2 and Wolverine so far, I know there are plenty of other games as Forspoken or FFXVI which will be exclusive for PS5, but there’s clearly a lack of first-party games after Ragnarok.
Yep. This is one of the big reasons, IMO, that the PS Classic mini was such a disaster. Didn't help the hardware sucked, but the things everyone associated with the PS1 the most didn't belong to Sony: Tomb Rider, Crash Bandicoot, Spiro, Final Fantasy, Oddworld, Dino Crisis, Metal Gear, Symphony of the Night... yea a few of these ended up in the device, but they are not actually Sony games to do as they please. Most the games have plenty other ways to be played these days.
Edit: And now, the biggest game they have, is another license, even if they develop it themselves, they don't own Spider-Man. They could lose the license as easily as Activision lost it in the past.
@NEStalgia you sound hurt man like I said PlayStation identity is premium aaa experiences. it’s reason why when there’s enough ps5’s in stock the ps5 outsell Xbox series consoles and Nintendo switch. Sony knows they’re products are worth the high price that’s why expensive ps5 and ps5 exclusive games are selling like crazy.
I think SONY have done well since the PS5 has come out with their AAA Exclusives so far Considering we have had all that Covid [email protected] to deal with. So I should be happy But like most people I want to see what's next, like NOW!!! We know Spider-Man 2 & Wolverine(must be a 2024 game?) are coming. So SONY must have some more AAA games for next year? If nothing I still got about 6/7 big games to get through so I am ok
@Carl-G spider man 2 coming next year supposedly I do think Sony have other games for next year they will show soon .
@4kgk2 they have lots of games they are working on , which is why people should be excited for the future because there is so much they haven't announced yet.
late 2023-2024 will be the year this gen hits it’s prime
it’s gonna be like 2016-2018
@IOI I'm looking at my own list of first and third party games for the next 2 - 4 years:
PS5 Third party:
Century: Age of Ashes
Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII Reunion
Dragon Age IV
Dragon's Dogma II
Granblue Fantasy Relink
Mass Effect 4
Resident Evil 4 Remake
PS5 First Party/Console Exclusive:
Final Fantasy VII Rebirth
Final Fantasy XVI
God of War: Ragnarok
Horizon: Call of the Mountain
Rise of the Ronin
Knights of the Old Republic (Console exclusive? Not sure.)
The Last of Us: Factions
The Witcher IV
There are a few others on Switch and Series X too that I'll convince myself I have time for. Plus any unannounced projects for PS5 and PSVR2.
Also the DioField Chronicle, Tactics Ogre: Reborn, Octopath Traveler 2... It never ends.
They're probably going to have a 10-minutes-deep-dive state of play for God of War Ragnarok, and another generic one near christmas to boost sales. I don't expect a big showcase this year.
@Uncharted2007 I own a PS5 to play the latest games and those games looking and playing better then last gen. Believe it or not the vast majority who own a console don't do it for a handful of exclusives each year, multiplats are a thing and are very popular and make up the bulk of console game sales. You own a PS5 to play games right? From what i can see we are covered for years, if you want to go back to the PS4 with its sub 30fps, slow loading times and dated hardware then do it.
Sorry if i'm sounding harsh its just i don't get this current mentally where the only thing that matters with consoles is exclusives and that the console is worthless if there's not a new one each month. Its almost like the PC gamers crowd not grasping the idea that people buy consoles for multiplats as well and that we have little interest in PC gaming, not saying that's you its just i'm seeing a lot of comments from PC gamers like that.
@twitchtvpat - Exactly, we pretty much know Ghost of Tsushima 2 from Sucker Punch is a guarantee. It's only a matter of time before Naughty Dog reveals Factions 2 and I could see it being a 2023 game to coincide with the show, plus we know they're also working on two other games as well. Team Asobi is working on a big AAA game which I think could be a full-fledged Astrobot game, much like Sackboy: A Big Adventure. Insomniac Games has one unannounced AAA Multiplayer game in the works. Guerrilla Games has an unannounced game, supposedly a Multiplayer game, rumored to be SOCOM or Horizon. Firesprite has 3 unannounced games, one is a AAA Single-Player Horror Game, the second is supposedly a Twisted Metal revival game, and the third is an unannounced Multiplayer Game. Bluepoint is supposedly working on 2 unannounced games. Bend Studio is working on a AAA Single-Player Game WITH a Multiplayer Component. San Diego Studios is working on a AAA Single-Player Action Adventure Game rumored to be a new Uncharted game, also the yearly releases of MLB the Show. PixelOpus is working on a AAA Game. Santa Monica Studios has an unannounced AAA Game in Development since 2020, with Cory Barlog at the helm of the project. London Studios has a AAA Multiplayer Game in the works. Haven Studios has an 'ambitious' AAA Multiplayer Game in Development, and according to recent Job Listings, may have a Single-Player Campaign.
There's more that I'm probably forgetting about, plus there's multiple unannounced games from Second-Party Studios we've yet to hear about.
I don't think it makes sense so late in the calendar year to have a big showcase. It would either be redundant covering fall/holiday games or distract from the games they want people to be buying now.
Clearly they have a lot of stuff in the works that needs to be shown, but I peg them for early next year. Lay out 2023 when we get there.
The other thing is there's no reason to believe there won't be some prominent PlayStation trailers at the Game Awards.
@KaijuKaiser What games are Sony releasing in the next six months? I know GoW2 is one.
To be honest GOWR doesn’t need a state of Play.
Anyway I’m not sure what the point of speculating is ; only for fun I guess.
Maybe in October, maybe a strong presence at Game Award.
There I done my speculating bit. 🥱☕️
Hi there. Very good post.
I don’t understand the whole ‘we demand to see the RoAdMaP’ thingy. Seems to be a trending phrase these days.
(And then people complain on and on that the announced games get delayed )
Do we even need one? After TGS I'm satiated!
@Shepherd_Tallon I so hope Project Awakening is still alive and will come to fruition.
@dschons Same. It sounded very promising. It's been so long since we've heard anything. I'm worried it's disappeared in to a basement somewhere.
My bet - there is no showcase. Evidence 1) they've already shown the story reel of GoWR - so that only leaves a deep dive which wouldn't be in a showcase (but a SoP). Evidence 2) They've just invited media to do the sell for PSVR2 themselves... by doing hands-on previews. What's the point in doing that before the spiel? Evidence 3) Sony don't have a lot in the tank in the near term... also, everything that isn't FF16 has already been just revealed/highlighted. What's the media beats for presenting second? And please - don't roll out KOTOR... that game is DOA. As for SM2 / Wolverine... they can show us something now, but I doubt they will because they've already revealed them, and they're a long way from starting their true media campaign.
The real problem I think Sony has is that presenting a half-arsed showcase will be more damaging than presenting none. And Sony has been definintely in head-in-the-sand-mode recently... which suggests to me that they don't have anything great to present, or worse - they know there's something worse coming down the pipe and don't want to shoot themselves in the foot.
The truth... I haven't had any faith in Sony for 3+ years that they've got even the foggiest idea of not only how to promote themselves... I don't even think they have any idea how to manage themselves. From a gamers perspective. From a corporate perspective... "but they're #1..." I hear you say. But that's built on the hard work/luck of PS4... they've not had a great corporate message for a long time (and instead hope to hell their 1st party studios give us value). They are now pushing those same studios to do Live Service games.
Show case - we're lucky to get a wake with how out-of-touch Sony is now. And as for GoWR (as someone who loved 2018 and platinumed it)... the more I see of this game, the more I don't have a lot of hope for it being at the same level of impact/importance). That's sequels for you.
@Shepherd_Tallon I remember there being a stream last year where the devs presented their engine showing parts of the open world or something like that. Apparently, it is still well underway and not cancelled or anything like that. I was worried about that for a while and thought it might end up like Deep Down.
@JustPlainLoco it's good to be optimistic... but let's be honest here...if Sony say the PSVR2 is USD500 or more... do you think it will ever be anything other than a footnote in gaming history? People who pay that money for a PSVR system will run it on a PC (not console). I owned the PSVR, and to be honest, it was a joke for games other than a handful. So if Sony come out and say USD400- or less - then we might be cooking with gas. Otherwise, this will only appeal to the die-hards who were going to buy it anyway. In which case, a showcase is wasted (and why Sony has done everything hands-off on PSVR2 so far IMO).Sony is in a damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-don't nightmare at the moment... and they need to actually start being industry leaders, and stop acting like Soulja wannabes. Harsh - but it comes from a place of love for the brand that I am watching capsize by the week.
@OmegaStriver Forspoken is their big January title that is console exclusive and a lot of people think early 2023 is going to be the release of PSVR2. Outside of that there's a ton of third party games all within the first three months. Wo Long, Dead Space: Remake, Resident Evil 4 Remake, Hogwart's Legacy, Dead Island 2, Like a Dragon: Isshin, Octopath Traveler II. My point is too many people think about the future that they don't appreciate what they already have. Sometimes it feels like people like reading about news more than actually playing them. Patience is needed, the games will come out.
The last State of Play was really good. Dont think a major PS5 showcase is likely but hoping there's still some big announcement left to be revealed this year. Perhaps a State of Play in late October to fit with the release of God of War. Would be nice to see Factions and Spider-Man 2 before the end of the year.
@dschons I keep thinking about Deep Down too when it comes to this game.
But you're absolutely right. I had forgotten about those shots they shared last year.
Very little has been said about the game, but the little info they've shared is very exciting.
kids these days. got to have everything. theres a huge list of games with rough release dates.
seeing a trailer does jack sh*t, doesnt lead to an earlier release. you know XYZ is coming and only when ready. when its ready to be shown it will be.
No. Show me 2 years un advance
Maybe they're waiting for just the right time to announce that every studio they have are currently working on Marvel & Star Wars games🤔
@4kgk2 Being "premium" isn't why PS5 is selling well. Being the default console since last gen on which to play the most popular evergreen multiplayer live service games (CoD, FIFA, Fortnite, GTAV:O etc) is why. The sales data, revenues, and play time data tells us that.
That's why Jim is freaking out over CoD. They don't need to lose the actual game to be majorly impacted, they just need to lose the perception that it's the default place to play that game to be majorly impacted.
And with that, we've ironically stumbled upon the console's actual identity. "The default place to play big online multiplayer service games." Which, to be fair, Jim's basically been screaming that in our faces and we still didn't see it.
It's just that the console's actual identity is so far removed from what most of us here like, want, or care about, or anything PS has been about in the past, we can't even see what its identity even is when it's in front of us.
I'll give a nod to your point of view though in that, I've had the sense that they're trying to turn PS into a "status symbol" kind of luxury product this gen, and basically "Apple-ify" it. Which at face value is a ridiculous strategy since the whole success of PS from the beginning has been as the cheaper, higher value console, and it's that very strategy that gave them that "default console to play online games on" position to begin with. But the whole up-market thing is a thing Sony does and has always done in all departments. Usually to disastrous results (how's the TV business doing?) But I do think the company is trying to force that image, so you're not totally imagining it.
As for "premium" I get that if Sony's your favorite publisher their games will seem "better" than others, but that's a purely individual position based on games or genres that aren't the platform's best sellers by a wide margin, so most definitely not the identity in the wider market. A platform identity can't really be forged on "some games that are similar to other games but they're superior" - it's so subjective and not everyone will agree. It really has to be a particular genre or play style or hardware quirk or business model. Something that affects the whole platform's experience. Like I said above, Wii's identity was waggle, NES/SNES platforming and RPGs, Sega was arcade games and fighting games. PS3 was shaky, it was the all in one media center not a gaming identity. Vita, was an accidental identity of "indies." And now that we've got to it, PS5's identity is already "evergreen online service games." Grumbevolcano basically even said it before, except pointing to PS Studio's future focusing on that. But that already is the identity even before that happens.
And that's what so much of the friction and controversy and Jim-hate here is, really. PS's new identity is that of the polar opposite of what most of us here buy the platform for. Even if we have different tastes in games or different ideas of PS Studio's "premiumness" as a publisher, what the majority of us here have in common is we're not just no longer part of, but we're the exact and direct opposite of what PS5's identity now is.
@Jammsbro that's a lot of games that they wouldn't focus a PlayStation Showcase around. PlayStation Showcases have been focused around big-hitting AAA first party games. There's really not many AAA first party PlayStation games expected next year. Maybe Spider-Man 2 or The Last of Us multiplayer. But if they aren't ready to give us a date and gameplay for those games then a PlayStation showcase would be very bare.
@Ichiban Online, Multiplayer, live service Star Wars and Marvel games.....
@JJ2 - Thanks, and I agree, yeah I wanna know what Sony First-Party Studios have in store for us, but 2022 is still jam-packed with games to play, and even without First-Party games, 2023 is also jam-packed with games to play, it would be a different story if we had nothing to look forward to in the coming year, but we do, a bit of everything in fact.
I'd rather they show us what they have cooking ONLY when they're ready to, or risk ending up with half-assed Showcases like many of the Showcases we got this year from Third-Party Studios.
Hi. Of course I personally would like to know everything haha
Jesus people sometimes. We already know most of what’s planned for next year. I think there’s a show but if there isn’t it doesn’t matter. There are even some deranged people console warring or doing victory laps because that console managed to sell a few more last week in one region on Wednesday between 12 and 1 pm.
With the grim news these days I always try be positive about my gaming. Bought splatoon 3 for kid so she’ll leave my PS5 alone haha
Have a lovely gaming weekend.
I really feel like it's time. The State of Play had mostly a theme, highlighting mostly Japanese studios. So that didn't get lost in a big event. I feel like it would be a bit spaced out. And I am really hoping for a Showcase.
Earlier in the year I would have said September without a doubt...
Now I'm thinking if they skip October, then for whatever crazy reason they are scrapping the Showcases.
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