PS5's Small Performance Advantages Over Xbox Series X Prompt Microsoft Statement

I like sony style of just making great games and not boasting anything 😃

And yes, in the end it's all about games, it's as simple as that.

@wiiware Agreed, the games will talk for themselves

I think after a little while third party games will be near identical on both console. Maybe faster loading time in some cases on PS5.
The third party difference can really be made using the dualsense control like in Astro bots, Microsoft has nothing like that.
Also we all know once it comes to first party exclusives the PS5 will shine like a diamond, and even on paper being the weaker console Sony exclusives and their game worlds and with the dualsense will beat overall probably anything Microsoft studios come out with.

I have both the PS5 and Xbox Series X and I have to say there is a marked difference with loading and installing games on the PS5 compared to the Series X. The PS5 leaves the Series X behind in the dust. Originally it was going to be the Series X as my go to console as it has just over 1 Teraflops of graphical grunt over the PS5 but that has been wiped away by the PS5's amazing loading speeds to my surprise so now the PS5 is my go to console .

Bigger difference than miniscule. Did you not see the dirt 5 screenshot? Push square doing the xbox damage control.

Microsoft made their statement based on Teraflops alone, though to be fair I think they said it was the most powerful console they'd ever produced?
So much more goes into the development of any computer/console, not least the OS - Sony uses a custom Unix variant and MS is using the sluggish and hateful Win10.
Bit strange that M$ didn't get their API ready in time? Or did they not bother as all games are also going to be available on XBone?

"An immature Xbox development environment" makes me think of them throwing paper planes around and sticking 'kick me' signs to each other's backs

I was Xbox player since day one first Xbox... I loved how everything was done and was looking forward to the evolution of the Series X too. I wanted Halo Infinite that much. But! After the presentation and the bla bla about the power and counting every pixel they can find even the fact that the GAAS is more and more important to them than delivering exclusives... I am out since then. There is no systemseller atm so why should I buy that console. And we see it in the analysis: There is no "most powerfull" now.

Minor differences that don’t detract from playing the games. You should see the meltdown over this on Purexbox. I had people on there saying that they can’t wait to see digital foundry confirm that the Xbox series x will kill the ps5 in the comparisons. Absolute fanboys over there, I kept saying just enjoy the games. Now there all on defence mode.

embarrassing

Say what you want about Xbox but this points to a fixable problem rather than something outright wrong with the console. Something somewhere is going wrong as the console has great capabilities which are being let down.

I’m really interested in the machine learning capability that MS supposedly added to their chip. If either side gets anything close to DLSS its game over.

Ironic now since Ubisoft has managed to tank the performance of AC Valhalla running in 60fps mode on PS5, now drops into the mid 40s with the newest patch which was supposed to optimise the game. 😂

@wiiware Well didn't they do that "Most Powerful Console" stuff in their trailers for the PS4 Pro before the Xbone X released?

Its all a bit silly really and only because it is used to fuel silly arguments over which is 'better'. They are virtually identical performance wise. And so far I still haven't seen a game look anywhere as good on PS5 as Last of Us 2. But hopefully with MS so desperate to come out on top with the performance side of things, as they "mature" their dev environments then hopefully it will force Sony to keep pushing on quality and ideally they'll push each other to best possible output then we all win.

Overall I hope X Box does well (PlayStation too, of course) because competition is good for the industry.

That dude at the Verge is a known fanboy and tbh a bit salty. Also the patch didn't fix the issues on Xbox and infact made the tearing worse in places as Tom Phillips reported. The fact is people underestimated Mark Cerny and the PS5 including Xbox. PS5 runs COD Cold War virtually flawless at 120fps thats damm impressive. It seems the SSD in tandem with io throughput is helping to load textures and taking the workload of the GPU. Both systems will hit native 4K at 30fps anything more is wishful thinking other than performance modes.

@Nepp67 you are right... so the Series X released on the 10th of november and the PS5 released on the 12th so the Series X was 2 days the most powerful console lmao

Ideally, both consoles perform the same and there are less exclusives than before.. and everybody keeps on supporting DualSense. (hi, this is me with my pink glasses on, thank you)

@wiiware Yep they kept silent let Xbox and there fanatics boast about power. They dimple let the games do the talking. That SSD is the difference for me.

Thing is Ms is talking about 'performance issues ' related to games, not related to the competition.
I'm being a bit the Devils advocate here but it's the press that's jumping up and down trying to justify and look for excuses. Not Ms.
Tom Warren for instance and of course other sites copy paste because why not.

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Now if Ms is unofficially behind certain press that's another story.

@chris730920 So installing games is slower on Series X?

This proves again the launch for both consoles were rushed before Xmas.

If I remember correctly, the PS4 Pro was also marketed as the most powerful console in the world and some games used to run more poorly on Pro than vanilla PS4. It seems Microsoft went full Sony on this gen.

I think the reasons Microsoft is talking about are...odd outliers that are unexpected. Digital Foundry reports all it's findings to developers, and I think the instances are worth being looked into.

Like in AC: Valhalla where there is ~15% difference in performance in a scene that didn't look overly strenuous for either console to manage, but does cause issues on Xbox is something worth looking into - similar to how there are a few instances in DmC V that tanked performance hard on Xbox for no reason.

Or in COD where one particular area seemed to tank the Series X performance for seemingly no real reason (but not PS5) compared to the rest of the game being near flawless.

So far it seems like Watch Dogs Legion is the only game where the games are performing identically across the consoles 99% of the time - with two weird issues where PS5 has better texture filtering over Series X and no puddles in ray-traced reflections on PS5, but do exist Xbox (both expected to be bugs).

Bottom line: I do see Microsoft's concerns because those out-lying instances are just bizarre on the Xbox side and should be investigated just for the sole reason that the dips make zero sense.

Even still, I don't think you can lose choosing to play games on either platform. Just play on your console of choice.

I feel the people getting excited about the minor advantages either way are crazy. I think we are finally at a generation where power will no longer determine the best console, it has to be the quality of the game, and the service from the brand.

@Snake_V5 yes the Series X is much slower at installing games. I bought AC Valhalla on disc and it took 2 hrs to install on the Series X. However on the PS5 I installed Spider-man Miles morales (on Disc), and 5 other titles digitally (spiderman-remastered, BugSnaz, Astrobot, Horizon Zero Dawn and Fallout 4 altogether in 2 hrs. So the SSD on the PS5 is impressive to say the least.

So I'll summarise the 'reason' reported by the media :
TFLOPs need secret sauce to work. As of now PS5 is using a new sauce but still old enough so the devs know how to use it. SX is using a new sauce that is too new for devs to know how to use properly therefore they use an old sauce that doesnt work as well as the new old PS5 sauce.
And that is why SX has more TFLOPs but they are lazier TFLOPs than the PS5 TFLOPs which is everything that matters for a console to perfom well as we all know.
Easy 😀

@JJ2 I love sauce, I put it on my bacon rolls

MS should raise the GPU clocks, XSX and maybe also XSS still have much reserves. People will accept a slightly louder operation for a 10 % gain in resolution or frame rate.

The rhetoric was silly from the outset. It was impossible to know how powerful the PS5 was, because Sony wern't showing the system, or talking about it.

For a guy that 'despises ' the console wars, Phil knew what was going to happen when they started talking about having more flops, leading to internet commentators declaring sony 'dead', and the ps5 as a 'weak' system. It was all quite ludicrous

This was despite developers falling over themselves to say how groundbreaking PS5 was.

End of the day it sounds like the differences are so minimal that it really doesnt make much of a difference. Both companies have put out excellent machines, and done so against the backdrop of a global pandemic. Both deserve respect and not hate.

Whichever console you buy, enjoy it, and happy gaming.

I also read the PS5 has double the launch sales of the Series X/S, can't help but be smug at this news considering how smug MS has been this year.

@Cyrus29 I frequent both sites and you’re exaggerating. There’s a good smaller community over there and I’ve not seen anyone going ‘nuts’ over this just a good discussion about what it could be down to.

I see much more ‘fanboyism’ over on this site tbh.

On the hardware side there's very little to choose between them and regardless of what fanboys think, this "full RDNA2" isn't some silver bullet that's going to see the Xbox pull clear.

At the end of the day, the most significant factor will always be games and already Sony have left Xbox in the dust at launch and will look to pull even further ahead next year. That said I really do hope Microsoft sort themselves out in this regard and they do look to have some promising games a year or more down the line

@chris730920 What are the download speeds like on Series X? Any better than Xbox One or PS5?

MS - Over promise and under deliver.
Sony - Under promise and over deliver.

This is why I prefer Sony.

It doesn't matter which is the most powerful. It is how you use it. I could be in the fastest car in the world but would be beaten by a professional racing driver in a lot less powerful vehicle on a racetrack.

I'm personally not that bothered about who has the biggest sausage, but I find it quite funny that lots of xbox fanboys kept going on about their superior console. Also, the Xbox banners with the slogan "the world's most powerful console" seem quite funny. Boastful much?

It must be painful to have to go into damage control mode only a couple of weeks into the new generation. And this is without taking into account that for the foreseeable future, anyone that bought an XSX has basically just bought a budget PC that can play less games, since it has no exclusives yet there are loads of games that are on PC but not on Xbox.

I also feel sorry for anyone tricked by the (admittedly obvious) lie that the Series S would be the same as the X but just at 1440p. We're already seeing games that are less than 1440p, half the framerate, lower draw distance, lower quality shadows etc.

I bet the Xbox has folders though.

@Snake_V5 The series X is much faster than the Xbox one X (my old console) on both load times and installs but like I said before it's nowhere near as fast as the PS5 in practice or on paper. If I remember right the SSD specs on the Series X were around 2.4Gbps and the PS5 around 5.5Gbps so in theory it's literally twice as fast as the series X. The Xbox One X for comparison is around 200mbps so the series X SSD alone is around 40 times faster than the Xbox one X hard-drive so the PS5 SSD in theory is around 80 times faster than the Xbox one X.

I said from the beginning 1 & a bit TF extra does not mean anything!! MS is like the boy who cries wolf look at his Tribalism comment when his company is terrible for it! the hypocrisy of Phil is unbelievable at times.

@chris730920 Yeah but would you say PS5 is faster on downloads than Series X?

Playstation has always said that the PS5 is greater than the sum of its parts - how much greater is yet to be seen but I would expect it to continually overperform expectations over its generation

The sad part is that John at Digital Foundry is catching flak about this on his Twitter, with people basically accusing him and DF of "fanning the flames" and trying to nitpick every little thing he says. Like the author of this article points out, if you need DF to help you tell a few pixels apart, it really doesn't matter. I love DF for the fact they go into the technical side of gaming that my onion brain can't comprehend, but people using DF's videos as ammo in their console wars are pathetic trolls. DF just report what they find, there's no hidden agenda or bias.

With that being said, I'm a bit concerned about these performance issues myself. I was leaning towards getting a Series X but hearing reports of PS5 actually running games a bit better has me leaning towards PS5. it sucks being on the fence sometimes. Both consoles look pretty tempting for me, so I guess I'll stick it out a while and see how things develop.

If we’re talking multi-plat games, then the devs are trying to keep parity between versions as much as possible. So while we see a frame drop here or there or whatever the minor thing is, we shouldn’t be seeing leaps and bounds on one console unless there is a serious issue. Sony is going to have the advantage of faster loading and the Dual Sense controller here and their First and Third party exclusives will be just fine as they always have been, whereas Microsoft’s advantage will be in it’s First and Third party exclusives that can showcase it’s teraflop prowess.

@Max2574 Funny then how you fail to acknowledge the fact the Series X runs COD at a flawless 60FPS with ray tracing then, eh?.... Whilst the PS5 cannot and Sony has got the marketing rights to that game too.

@1_W1NG3D_4NG3L @ApostateMage Xbox has what are called "Groups" that you can put your games/apps into and then add to your Home Screen.

Or, if you so chose, you can pin a game to the Home Screen.

The main bar of the Xbox Home Screen shows your last few apps/games you recently played - which is nice if you consistently play the same set of games or use the same set of streaming apps as they are always "in view".

Still, I do prefer the clean PlayStation Ribbon over a more crowded Xbox Home Screen.

It's a shame folders aren't available on PS5. Whenever I can get my hands on a console, it's UI is going to get very crowded the second my 2TB external is hooked up.

@Fenbops That’s very very very true, just look at the comments here... I don’t think Sony fans should be so smug considering the complete buggy mess the PS5 seems to be in....

@nessisonett Its still weird if you party with a 3rd company developer and get behind the competition. But i have too be fair i thought the Xbox series X was the faster one. But if i look at my consoles if never bought a console because its faster.

@S1ayeR74 Too be fair mate the Xbox Crew where on their high horse about power. 🤪

Its not Sony who boasted about being the most powerfull. 😉

@JJ2 brilliantly explained 😀👍🏻

@Snake_V5 yes the PS5 seems to be a lot faster than the series X at downloading. even though I had the disc version of AC Valhalla it only installed just over 1GB from the disc the other 47GB was downloaded from the Microsoft servers which took around 2 hrs. Like I said earlier I downloaded/installed 5 digital games on the PS5 in under 2 hrs which included Spider-Man remastered, horizon zero dawn, fallout 4, bugsnax and astrobot.

@Fenbops I’m talking about the usual 5 people on there who seem to be in full defence mode, but prior to launch were telling me & others in the purexbox post that they couldn’t wait to watch all the digital foundry videos, so that they can see how poor the ps5 is compared to all the power that the series x has. I’m not going to bother naming names, because I had enough of them so I ended up putting them all on ignore. I see more fanboyism over there to be honest with you. I was told to go back to pushsquare by the same few, when I gave my own opinion on Xbox 1st party games(at that time) but I also understand there fanboys on both sides. When I told them to just enjoy the games, they kept replying, wait till the digital foundry comparisons videos come out.

@S1ayeR74 anyone who reads through this thread will see I’m right lol.

@Cyrus29 I don’t really care what you’ve been doing on either site man, if it does your head in over there stick to here where everyone agrees with you and bathe in the upvotes.

Like I said before, it’s nice to have these comparisons. Fanning the flames or not, these are factual. Otherwise Xbox fanboys keeps bad mouthing PS based on that specs sheet. In the end, I know they will be similar. Also interesting to note no one is talking about Series S after the release. I think they shouldn’t even call that next gen console.

I think this all affair proves how very well designed the PS5 is in fact. It's not always about raw power. It's about a delicate balance between hardware, software and developpement tools.
Well done, Sony. Really.

And I say this as an Xbox Series X proud and happy owner. All of this affaire really doesn't matter, in the end. Both consoles are incredibles.

@Cyrus29 Yes, there's a few hardcore "fanboys" over there....on a fan site, which isn't a surprise. But the scale of fanboy posters there versus here doesn't even come close (yet), and for the most part most of the fanboys over there are still fairly reasonable and can engage somewhere in the middle...there's too many folks over here that are creepy corporate zealots. Bigger group, of course, so as a percentage it's harder to figure out. In fairness to the "conversations" there, you were prodding pretty hard and laying on a bit of PS fanboy tone yourself, which inevitably riles up defensive arguments on any fan site...imagine if the NL crowd were to come to PS and PXB and start prodding "how pointless 4k consoles are when gameplay >>>>> graphics and nothing on either console has any interesting gameplay, just realistic graphics!!!" The fanboy wars would be ugly on both sites, and I'm betting a lot uglier here than PXB.

@JJ2 With that explanation I'm wondering if you've been hitting the sauce. Though I actually understood what you're saying, so maybe it's time for some coffee here as well

@Zombiesfeelpain Yeah, my takeaway from all this is AC:V, or maybe all Ubisoft games are probably not the right games to be using as a baseline for comparing the hardware performance on. They took an ancient engine, they're not even using a lot of the new hardware features, and in an attempt to supposedly improve and fix it, reports are saying they basically improved next to nothing at all on Series X, and managed to make it noticeably worse on PS5 (not sure if that means XSX version now outperforms PS5 version, or if they're both terrible now...) It takes a special kind of crunch-failure to actually make the game perform worse via more optimization.

@Fenbops what’s your problem? If you got issues, maybe you should sort them out. You cared enough to reply to my original post. And your “stick to here where everyone agrees with you” comment”????? Why are you on here aswell then? Absolute clown. Anyway, your not even worth my time, thank god for the ignore button

@chris730920 For both consoles, did you have a game running in the background? For XSX I've noticed it heavily caps download speeds when you have a game running. I seem to get 45/50Mb/s if I have an open game running (including in rest/instant-on mode). If I manually close the game (or do a hard reboot), it'll download at 550Mb/s+. PS5 seems to do about 250Mb/s tops, but doesn't seem to cap while a game is running. Since PSN is running on Azure now, they should both be running on the same network...the bottleneck shouldn't be on the server side of either of them.

@Medic_Alert "However in terms of pure fun? Well I haven't turned on my XSX since the PS5 arrived and decided my 2tb ext ssd would go on the PS5 and not the xbox"

IDK, I still can't decide if I like one better at all. I've been currently spending more time on PS5, but that's solely because I kind of locked onto Miles and am focused more or less on that one game for now more than anything to do with the machine. XSX with QR and all is just more fun to drop in and out of different games and play all sorts of stuff. PS5 doesn't feel like a "fun" machine to play with, it feels like a digital VCR to play a specific game at a time on. I happen to be spending more time in measurable minutes or hours on it than the "fun" box. But only because the tape in the VCR is the one I happened to get attached to for now (until I pick up Yakuza on the X again.) Half the games I have in my PS backlog are basically Vita and PS3 PS4 port games, so it doesn't seem right to spend new console time with a bunch of static-rendered JRPGS

Environment-wise, XSX feels like a little Alfa Rameo you just bomb around in, and go wherever for the thrill of getting there, enjoying the scenes on the way. PS5 feels like a subway MU. It's expensive and built like a tank, but it only goes one place at a time, linearly in sequence, but it does it really fast. Even if you have to wait for boarding and boarding time at every. single. stop.

I'm sure it doesn't help that devs have to target the Series S.

When I had a PS3 I didn't really care that it played Bayonetta slightly worse then the 360 - I cared that it played Uncharted 2 and Xbox didn't. Exclusive games and features is always why I've bought one console in favor of another.

@S1ayeR74 oh was that where digital foundry reported it was a bug on PS5 and that loading it again there was no frame dips. Where in 120 mode Series X was like a geriatric on life support lol. Facts dude do your research.

Now we are getting all the talk about Xbox being full RDNA2. So they went with stock while Sony went with custom. There both going to do the same thing 😎

@Dezzy70 They already are. The framerate advantages we've been seeing on PS5 are only a few extra frames in most case. Otherwise it's basically the same.

@Max_the_German they're already the hottest consoles digital foundry have ever tested... if they raise the clocks it could turn out very badly.

If their (frankly unnerving) PR office hadn’t focused so much on spreading misinformation on how the games would look so much better on the super powerful alpha male console that is Xbox series X and how ps5 wouldn’t even have been able to manage 4K. Now, rest assured I couldn’t couldn’t care less but honestly they brought this on themselves

Sounds like cope to me.

@Cyrus29 lol. Chill.

Both systems are incredibly capable machines.

It’s going to come down to developers making the most out of each one. This where Sony currently has an advantage. Their first party studios have a tradition of extracting every bit of known performance out of their consoles.

Look at God of War II on PS2 and compare it to the early titles or even late era third party titles.

An even more stark comparison involves the PS3. Look at what Insomniac and Naughty Dog were able to achieve over the lifespan of that miserable architecture.

@nessisonett Microsoft are one of the richest and forerunner tech companies in the world with huge market share, so why is xbox series x boasting 'larger number teraflop' numbers actually slower than PS5 actually be worse according to digital foundry? Maybe xbox series x is just not as innovative as PS5 perhaps? I mean PlayStation engineers take risks and innovative for the gamer eg. haptic, faster loading, loadsa new game/IP, brand new UI and of course upcoming PSVR2 with haptic feedback and incoming AR/VR. Maybe xbox series x is just another let's make a console for the money guys! Same tech as previous console but slightly larger numbers but heck keep same UI, heck keep same joypad - choose not to innovate and save money?

People can say whatever they want. Xbox did come out swinging with the "most powerful console ever made" but it didn't sway me the way Playstation's launch line up did. Also the argument of "this game that was released years ago works so much better now" shouldn't be the main argument for buying one. Xbox would have performed better with a good first party launch line up, and I'm sure they'll have that with their next console.

I'm excited to see what the generation will look like in 3/4 years time.

MS’s official line has also changed from worlds most powerful console to worlds most powerful xbox...

@bbq_boy Yeah, none of what you said means anything. It’s just words. The console is the most powerful console in the world. It just is. The difference is that Microsoft’s API is a whole lot harder to develop for, meaning multiplats aren’t as heavily optimised. It’s essentially the Cell situation with PS3 at this point. I expect this to even out in the next couple of years as the API matures and the workforce adapts but PS5 benefits from the older and more familiar API, meaning devs are more comfortable for now. Personally I think that Sony’s infrastructure will be ageing by the end of this generation and they will have to completely revamp their API for next generation just with the shifts in the industry in the next few years. It will remain to be seen whether this exact situation will be seen with Sony’s next machine.

@nessisonett Or the they both release a Pro version in 2 years time lol. Dont agree wat you said buy hey we all have diffrent opinions. We have to wait until late 2021 to compare multiplats I suppose. But already on watchdogs legion the PS5 load times were so much faster an add the oodle tech thats coming in 2021 and I think you will be shocked what PS5 will be capable of in a year or so. Both seriously good machines for the money I think we can all agree with that.

@God_of_Nowt Cant claim to be an expert on the oodle tech other than what I have read. But I do know the speeds they were talking about are insane. We can already see the benefit of the PS5 SSD. I am sure they said oodles would support it until 2021 but like I said no expert on that kind of tech.

@God_of_Nowt Yep, in fact Oodle’s logo features prominently in the opening splash screens of Metro Exodus on PS4. I dunno why people need to justify their purchases with whatever console is ‘better’ because at the end of the day it’s the games which do the talking and if you want to play Playstation exclusives then you’ll buy a PS5 it’s as simple as that. Xbox is more of an overall infrastructure and the Series X really is just a glorified PC at this point but Direct X 12 Ultimate seems like it was designed without console devs in mind. It’s interesting that even Microsoft’s blog posts about DX12U talk far more about PC support than the Xbox Series X/S.

@nessisonett Got both mate was talking about the future of PS5 and oodles support wich will increase the speed. I think both consoles are great with there own selling points and benefits. So don't try to pigeon hole every gamer into the console war rubbish. You was discussing Xbox APi Improving in the future and I countered that with both will improve as time goes by as the tech matures and the devs get to grips with it. Did I say your a fanboy when you was on about the Xbox no I didn't so please don't do that to me.

@Max2574 The thing is though, Sony’s API is already mature. At this point, it’s heading towards ‘age’. In computing terms, loads of what you learn in first year of a degree is already obsolete by graduation. Things are always moving which is why PCs have a huge advantage by the end of a generation. Consoles essentially ‘lock in specs’ when they’re shipped so Xbox’s superior specs I assume will be used to their full effect later on in the lifecycle. Sony has the optimisation, Microsoft has the brute calculation force. Already there’s barely a difference despite the drastic differences in approach. It’s interesting for sure.

Also wasn’t having a go at you, more a go at the general attitude seen in this thread, strange gloating and such. Blatant tribalism.

@nessisonett But thats the thing if you listen to Insomniac they said they have barely scratched the surface of the PS5. So we just don't know the ceiling of each console and there optimal performance. Xbox has the higher TF count, PS5 has the higher clocked GPU and throw that PS5 into the mix and it brings alot of variables and unknowns. So to try and predict the capability and performance a year into the cycle is just pure guess work on both sides. And oh no, tribalism is going to be the new buzzword lol. Also I do think the media and DF fan the flames. But hey we all gamers and lots to look forward to in the future.

@Max2574 Sorry but no proof their is any bug, we shall see if any bug gets patched, the PS5 can’t do ray tracing and 60FPS very well because of how it’s been designed. In fact that’s why it does 120fps better, for now, and even then it was barely any better with DF themselves stating the Series X only drops in a couple of scenes, looks like your just talking salty fanboy nonsense..

@Flaming_Kaiser I agree, it was a stupid marketing gimmick, probably why they changed to now to the most powerful Xbox. And I also agree with you on the fan base, but it is a fact it’s a more powerful console. It is very early days and we shall have to see how that power is used.
But for fair balance it is Sony and it’s fans who floated about the PS5’s SSD speeds, yet the XSX has easily beaten it with some game loads on its SSD, so I’d say both sides have been equally in talking up the machines incorrectly in some aspects.
We need some proper next gen games, not cross gen, but that won’t happen on either machine for a couple of years it seems. So we will have to instead hope third party games come out on next gen only sooner and have the same back and forth performance comparisons.

@S1ayeR74 Pot calling the kettle black dude. Also proof the devs and DF. But we both have diffrent opinions so let's leave it be.

@S1ayeR74 Wouldn't you be better on a Pro Xbox website.

@God_of_Nowt Firstly a salty fanboy, erm no grow up!
And secondly, if your such a wonderful developer perhaps you should go and tell Ubisoft and Microsoft they are doing it wrong, because they seem to differ in their opinions to you, also using your logic why didn’t PS4 games look like God Of War day one? It’s not some mythical box after all according to your logic?
I think you’ve rather oversimplified it in your own situation and ignored other factors. Ubisoft have already patches Valhalla on the XSX so it doesn’t screen tearing and have FPS drops, so they must be getting better with the system.
But I can tell by your attitude your not a very professional developer, probably a junior working on low end stuff, most grown ups use better language then you. They don’t need to use swear words designed to bypass filters to get their points across....

@S1ayeR74 I know your biast forbids you from telling the truth or having any kind of rational conversation. Had to laugh just watched DF vid on Watchdogs Legion and PS5 loads way faster lol. You referring to old games that don't even use the PS5 SSD as you well know but it dosent fit your agenda so you didnt mention it. We are all capable of watching vids on youtube for ourselves and calling out your blatant and at times pure fiction arguments. Do yourself a favour and go to Pure Xbox you clearly a troll.

@God_of_Nowt There's no point trying to talk to him I suggest just ignore him he is a blatant troll or has shares with Xbox. Wierd how he comes on a playstation website.

@Max2574 Oh dear.. I see the hypocrisy has flown right over your head, you see I am being sensible and have stated facts, your just making things up trying to belittle someone who isn’t praising the PS5 from the rooftops, neither am I stating it’s rubbish, but you don’t see that, you read a comment and instantly go in the attack thinking the enemy is here, like the pubescent fanboy you obviously are..

@Max2574 Ah did I call you out? I think I did.. please don’t come on here proclaiming your a developer and that developers don’t care about console power, I guess they don’t care about PC power either? What you said was totally incorrect and against what developer houses actually do.

@S1ayeR74 Oh the insults proof that you have no intention of meaningful debate or conversation. It ain't just me calling you out my little troll.

@Fenbops lol it didn’t take long for your point to be proven multiple times..

@S1ayeR74 When did I say I was a developer lol. Think you have me confused with others who are calling you and your fiction out.

@God_of_Nowt So instead of actually providing any proof to backup ‘your’ claims, you have elected to throw insults. Why should anyone engage with you in anything? Who do you work for? What games if any have you worked on? You need to provide credentials to warrant your professional opinion to mean anything, other then developers don’t give a ‘sh11t’ about using extra power.
Your immaturity highlights your not a developer at all, if you were your attitude would be very different, your a junior at best, or flat out lying.

@S1ayeR74 Well you are trolling dude thats plain for anyone to see i just don't understand why. Both are great and multiplats are virtually identical.

@S1ayeR74 He even got us confused lol. But yh its getting toxic wich is a shame as we all gamers.

@Max2574 How am I trolling? I’ve literally replied to you and one other person, so how am I trolling you exactly? Look at your first reply... full of toxic insults. Accusations, lacking me a troll. It’s purely your own personal opinion, not a fact. Perhaps you should change your attitude in your first replies if you want proper engagement in conversation.

@S1ayeR74 look if your not trolling then your just badly misinformed. But anyway best we both just hit the ignore button as we have completely different opinions and information. I apologise if you feel insulted but I just couldn't believe the things you was saying. Take care enjoy your games dude.

@NEStalgia I had no other games running in the background on both consoles. To speed up the process I ran the downloads/installs in rest/Standby mode as I’ve heard digital installs work quicker in those modes on both Xbox and PlayStation

@chris730920 Did you do the downloads over wireless or wired? From what I hear the PS5 supports WiFi 6 where as the XSX doesn't, so the PS5 could be using a newer network card with better performance compared to XSX.

@Jezwinni You made one comment and that was to throw an insult at me, did i hurt your feelings sunshine? Yeah sorry sweetcheeks i have no love for MS and i look at them the same way i look at EA and co.

@Nepp67 Yes because at that time when ps4 pro is leaked, microsoft is in full FUD mode saying they will make a better, more powerful console, 1.5 years before it launched (!).

I remember when they promised full 4K (unlike ps4 pro) and better vr for it. And yet the console launched only with "dynamic" 4K for assassin creed origin and the vr feature is just gone. In the end, that console discontinued faster than wii u, which is amazing if you think about it.

Who cares about this really? Most Nintendo consoles are less powerful than their competitors but their games are outstanding. Sony and Microsoft should care about games, not the mice nuts of hardware specs between each other.

Xbox is absolutely more powerful than PS5. That's a fact. PS5 SSD is faster than Xbox. That's a fact. Xbox has more storage. That's a fact. PS5 has a more interesting controller. That's a fact. I'm so bored of everyone trying to swing their d***s to try and prove that the console they bought is better than the competition. If you love games then buy as many consoles and games as you can. If you can't afford to do that then stop slating other console owners. It's so boring.

@chris730920 i haven't done rest mode comparisons other than for switch, because switch...

But xsx definitely pulls 550Mb+ to the internal ssd (gigabit fiber) when no game is running. But an abysmal 45 or less if a game is running. I usually
Use rest on consoles but xsx runs the fan 24/7 like launch ps4 did (can't tell if ps5 is so I'm using rest for now), so i haven't been using rest on it (with quick start it boots into the game right where i left it in 28 sec or less which is faster than 1x and 4 pro with rest anyway, lol!)

Ps5 definitely hasn't hit the same download peaks for me, but it also doesn't throttle down with games running as severely.

Still, my results on both seem to be going better than yours. I'm assuming the uk servers (or console configuration?) Are throttling harder than in the us (in the few places we actually have quality internet.... )

This article hits the nails on the head in the XSX marketing, MS shouted from the highest mountain about the graphical fidelity of the console. Everywhere you look they said it, and so did their influencers. They all claimed that 3rd party games would look and run best on the XSX. Sony and PS basically said nothing, they obvisouly decided to let their product do the talking when it came out. The only time they actually spoke of the hardware was in the Cerny interviews and even then that was just a GDC talk to inform developers of the capabilities of the machine. The people that should ACTUALLY care of the specs.

Then MS started catching their Ls and it started with the fact that they had no games to show at that event in May/June, then the announcement of the X1 support and culminating in the absolute fail that was the Halo reveal. The real kicker has now been the state of the launch games, with the PS5 pretty much equal in performance. The only thing that had going for them was being the most powerful console, but now that doesn't really seem to be the case since the console that it has compared itself to for the past year is basically at the same level.

For me, the worst part is the influencers, they have been so vocal at the "power delta" will mean that XSX is the best place to play, hyping up technologies that, according to insiders, is not as exciting as MS will have you believe AND living on any shred of the possibility that the PS5 is weaker (for ex. RDNA2 vs 1). BTW, PS5 influencers can be downright trash too.

@Floki funny enough I was using wi-fi, So apart from the faster SSD that’ll explain why it was so much quicker with downloads. Thanks for the info 😊

@Snake_V5 It should be, the SSD is more than twice as fast and it has greater bandwidth.

@S1ayeR74 PS5 SSD is more than twice as fast as that on the XboxX. That is a fact, not an opinion.
If an Xbox is loading or retrieving data faster, it is a software/file related reason.

@__jamiie I think that when you make a decision for either console, you do that by looking at the good and bad in both systems.
If you can only afford one, you have to justify your decision in your head, by inflating the good points of one and concentrating on the negatives of the other.
If you've weighed it all up in your head and made your decision, when someone challenges your console of choice, they are challenging your decision making.

That is what makes it personal.

Ah this all reminds me of how fast and loud the Xbox Series hype train was running just a few months ago, with Xbox fanboys regularly crowing about how much difference that little extra teraflop and a bit made and how the PS5 would be an overheating underpowered mess. 😂

The thing is, when the dust settles and the MS APIs eventually catch up to where Sony's already are, Sony's would have improved then probably. More optimised to the hardware.

Yes the Series X has the more powerful hardware, in some respects. But it's got no exclusives and all the influencers and reviewers seem to be saying is, "this is the best way to play all the games that are already out". Oh ok. Great. But that's no different from Dolphin being the "best" way to play old GameCube titles because it can draw the textures at 2x, 3x original resolution and employ better smoothing etc. They're still the same games though aren't they?

Me personally, what I also took away from all that talk was that the Series XS can play the games the way they should have been the first time around, which wasn't a huge selling point for me because I hear "they weren't done right on the old hardware which is why you need the new hardware". Basically it doesn't do anything upgrading an existing already pretty decent gaming PC by installing a new GPU would - higher res/FPS. For me, this makes the Series XS units superfluous; a lot of people could take the money they would have spent on them and use it to upgrade their gaming PC's graphics card, if they have one.

Sony know that exclusives are still really important regardless of how much power a console has. The Nintendo Switch is a damn potato but the two variations have, in 3 years, sold more than the four Xbox One variants (including good ol' Project Hypio) could in more than double that. Because exclusives you can't get anywhere else, plus "good enough" renditions of multiplats, can cover all the bases if you're just having one console. I mean the Switch even got an impressive port of The Witcher 3 on it thanks to the talented team at Saber - yeah it looked a little rough (again, Switch = potato) but it was a mostly FPS stable highly playable version of one of this outgoing generations smash hits.

It looks like Microsoft have again fixated on power, fumbled the few exclusives they have, sold snake oil to all the fanboys and now they're getting bitten. What did they expect? Phil Spencer even sneered at the PS5 prior to launch, with a "nice try, guys" self-congratulatory attitude.

I don't doubt that eventually Microsoft will close the gap that the PS5 is already opening up, similar to how the PS3 did to the Xbox 360 nearly a decade ago, but they have really screwed the pooch for a second time running. Last time was DRMgate, this time it's Powergate, to use journo terms for it.

@Angeljuice Firstly the PS5 advertised SSD speeds are theoretical maximum not sustained. And secondly are you a games developer or a console architect designer? No? Then how can you claim the XSX speeds are purely down to software?

@Angeljuice Umm but that’s not really the case. I mean you don’t see people taking sides over Hoover vs Dyson? Even though that’s just as much money if not more in some cases. People do get a little emotional, but not like video game consoles.

(Granted I’d love to see a vacuum war)

Love Xbox but my series x is already relegated to the spare bedroom on the 40 incher while the ps5 is getting all my time on the 65 in her in the living room.

@Angeljuice But it isn't personal and people that take things like that personally need to grow up. The people who talk loudest tend to be the ones who don't actually analyse the pros and cons of systems and will buy their favourite brand regardless. Some of the people commenting would buy a PS5 even if it was covered in s*** and they'd tell you that the smell made gameplay better.

@WallyWest That's because Xbox can't make as much as Sony they have sold out everywhere and lot's of people are after the new Xbox consoles

@MarcG420 I‘ve seen the videos, but they still could raise the clocks. The fans should be temperature-controlled (and they could change the characteristic curves), so higher clocks with a small increase of fan noise and a small decrease of lifespan should be possible.

@mousieone @S1ayeR74 Because a faster SSD can't be slower than a slower SSD unless it is software related.
We know the specs, they are in the public domain, you don't have to be a developer or a console designer to know this, you just need to be able to read.

@mousieone The running of a vacuum cleaner doesn't cost several thousand pounds over its lifetime.
If each vacuum bag cost £50-£80 a throw and you require 10-20 bags per year, you may think differently.

@Angeljuice Ao it’s guess work on your part and personal opinion. Ok, that’s a lot of games gaining from some software then, which no one else has claimed by the way. And as I said those PS5 are maximum and not sustained throughout speeds.

@__jamiie But they won't, the same thing has been said for 40+ years and every time it's the same.
I remember as a kid I had a C64 and argued frequently with ZX Spectrum owners about superiority in the early eighties.
Every generation has been the same so you can either join in, ignore it or get driven insane by the banality of it all.

@Angeljuice I don’t know why you CC’d on the SSD speed..

Actually, the cost of a Vacuum could run you that high. It really depends on how often you need to vacuum, how big your house is, and how many people with long hair as well as belts which also have a cost and require replacement. A Dyson which generally had no bags can cost your more in the beginning but less in the long run. Where as Hoover might require replacing a lot more. Of course models make a difference as well. Vacuum cleaners may need to be changed if the person has more kids etc no their are actually more factors to think about.

I take you don’t do house work often?

My point was nothing gets as personal as a video game console, nothing.

@Angeljuice I choose the latter unfortunately.

@S1ayeR74 So that is guesswork unless you are a SSD storage engineer.

If you aren't directly qualified and actively employed in a specific niche then your opinion means nothing?
But then you have to admit that your opinion and thoughts are completely worthless also (unless you are a professional troll, in which case your money is well earned).

Why are you so defensive over this?

@__jamiie Then I wish you nothing but the best of luck and good sanity.

@Angeljuice looolll a professional troll hahaha... that’s a typical fanboy response, I don’t agree with your opinion and push you to provide proof, ergo I must be a troll. Facts are facts and the XSX is faster then the PS5 in some circumstances, I am asking you to provide proof it’s down to software which you haven’t done so.
Others correctly state one is faster then the other in different circumstances, you are however claiming to know why this is without providing any proof.

I'm an Xbox player and after all the things Microsoft has said about the next-gen Xbox, it seems like all they care about is hardware and performance. But don't get me wrong, that's what you want in an almost $500 console. But what Xbox is lacking is the user experience and games. When you get a new PS5, you get all of the cool demos with the controller and you get Astro's Playroom. Xbox isn't giving you any exclusive games with this release while Sony is releasing the new Spiderman game. I mean if you care about performance and specs then Xbox is your path, but if you care about games and software then you are gonna get the PS5.

@S1ayeR74 But by your own stupid rules, because you aren't a policeman so you aren't allowed to view any evidence.

Read again, I didn't call you a troll, I said if you were one you are doing a good job. You don't understand words properly so what is the point of wasting them on you?

I based my opinion from experience of PS4/XBONE file handling differences which meant that for certain titles one would decompress 4 or 5 times faster than the other.

In certain circumstances a Mini Cooper is faster than a Ferrari, does that mean it's wrong to call the Ferrari the faster car?

You really need to calm down, stop being so aggressive and try to understand the meaning of words.

I was mostly being sarcastic with my explanation guys, haha.
I think it's a lot of fluff if you ask me 😉
Their so called 'reason' is demonstrating in itself than TFLOPs dont mean much in the first place.

@Angeljuice Ok, so first off that’s one straw man baseless argument, telling someone they are doing a good job of something in English is the same thing as accusing them of it, please take some English lessons they will help you. And secondly so you are basing your ‘opinion’ on last gen machines with hard disk drives which in itself is a massively flawed opinion. It fails to take into account the new file structures of the SSD and subsystems behind them and how they operate. I think I’ll leave you to believe what ever you want, it’s obvious your not open to any other ideology apart from your own self created opinion which as I said is baseless.

I don’t think there will be a big advantage one way or the other this gen. Sony has studios who really know how to squeeze a console for performance. MS will figure it out and in the end gamers win!!

@S1ayeR74 My "opinions" aren't baseless at all. They are based on prior experience and known physical facts.

You know what I'm basing them on, so to say they are baseless is beyond moronic. You can say that you don't agree with them, but you can't deny them out of existence.

I don't like you, you started an argument over nothing and are too ignorant to back down now. You have serious issues and are aggressive and pointless.
I suggested you may be a troll because you seemed excessively aggressive and eager to confront everyone all the time. I can't understand that behaviour unless you have an ulterior motive of some description.

I'll try your method though;
You no longer exist clicks fingers.

World is now a better place, hallelujah!

@Angeljuice No, you haven’t provided a shred of proof to back your opinions up, and until you do that’s all they will be. And instead of providing that proof you just attack someone questioning you, like a cornered animal. Typical really. Many actual experts have said the XSX more powerful CPU is the reason it loads some games faster, nothing to do with software at all. But you keep saying it with no proof, don’t go accusing people of trolling just because your incapable of backing your opinions up you claim to be ‘fact’. Your the troll in that case, your the one stating your opinion is fact with no proof.

@S1ayeR74 You are nobody, why would I bother proving anything to you. You are only here because XBoxX is underperforming compared to PS5 and you bought into the hype.

I don't care, it doesn't bother me at all if you believe me or not, you've already proven you believe BS hype.

How many developers have proven it is to do with the CPU? Zero, None of them have offered anything more than opinions.

I can't be "defensive" with nothing to defend, I don't have a dog in this fight at all so why should I care that you got duped by one side or the other?

You are nobody.

@Angeljuice Calling someone nobody does not make your personal opinion a fact. You still fail to provide any proof to back your claims up. I’ve given up asking you now to be honest, you can believe what ever you want but don’t go around portraying your own opinion as fact, without proof, in the real world you won’t be respected for it and be considered to be arrogant.

@S1ayeR74 it isn't opinion, it's the quoted speeds of the drives that is a known fact (both have official stats and figures). Those are facts, which I combine with accumulated knowledge to form a personal opinion.

I never called my opinion facts at all, I just referred to the known facts whilst stating my opinion. If you understood the English language better, you wouldn't start arguments when you don't understand what is being said.