Update (11/6/20): The PS5 console listing has been labelled an error in an official statement from Amazon UK.
Speaking with IGN, a spokesperson for the retailer confirmed "This was an error", saying it "was priced as a dummy product with a dummy price". Mystery solved, then -- as we suspected, it's a fake product listing created ahead of the PS5 event. As you were.
Original Story: A supposed PlayStation 5 console listing has been spotted on Amazon UK, and apparently, someone on hotukdeals was able to push through and place an order. The listing specifically mentions that it's a 2TB model, and the price is £599 -- roughly $760 if we're going by current exchange rates (although if at all real, the US dollar price would likely be much closer to 599).
So, is it real? Probably not. This is most likely some kind of placeholder listing, or even a hoax. As we already know, the PS5 is set to ship with a very specific 825GB solid state drive. We're not sold on the idea that Sony will offer a more expensive option at 2TB, particularly at launch. It's also worth noting that 2TB SSDs are still very pricey, which leads us to question this even further.
Of course, this will only add to the growing storm of hype and speculation surrounding the big PS5 event. But even then, we don't think Sony will put a price on the PS5 during the showcase. Heck, we're not even convinced that we'll get to see the console itself. PlayStation's wording on the event has suggested that it's all about the games and not much else.
In short, we wouldn't read too much into this listing. Amazon makes frequent use of placeholder product pages, and has a long history of listing some really weird stuff that never actually manifests in reality. As always, though, we can only be completely sure once Sony has made an official announcement.
[source hotukdeals.com, via twitter.com, ign.com]
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Yeah, as you say Amazon often put up placeholders with higher prices. They also have that policy whereby if you place a pre-order on something, you get it at launch for the lowest price between your order date and the launch date, so with things like this they often "guess up" to be safe.
This can only mean one thing, Kaz Hirai is returning to unveil it
That would be out of my price range for launch unless I started saving now hahaha. It’ll be choosing between a PS5 and a deposit on a flat at this rate and I don’t trust myself to make the sensible choice.
I'd take that, if it proved to be true.
Only 2tb with that price? Big oof...hope it's not true at all
If its similarly priced in US Dollars I'd have no problems paying that for a couple 2TB models. So excited for tomorrow!!!
Links are dead now, and apparently series x was also listed at £599. But I highly doubt there will be two versions of the console. Especially with potential supply chain issues as it is.
@AFCC That would be pretty cheap for a 2TB SSD.
Its BS. It would be more like 825, 1.6 or 3 TB
It cant be 2TB
With that price it will already lose a lot of ground next gen, looks like sticking with my ps4 until 2022
@AFCC that would not be bad for SSD 2TB at all really. I would absolutely opt for that choice but I'm pretty sure it's not real.
US 600, I buy one right now.
Does seem like a placeholder. With all the game playing by both Sony and Microsoft on price I can't believe an Amazon leak will be where we first see what starting price they go for.
Good too, as if it's around £600 for one... Then I'm going to need to need a real reason to invest in next gen at launch.
If it's true, which I doubt, that's not a bad price. I'd preorder a 2TB at that price. I've already put aside £1000 for the console and games day one.
Rrp for Xbox One X is what, 450 to 499 USD. So next Gen will be this much minimum I'd wager.
Lots of nice shiny new parts, super power this, ssd that... Surely this puts the price 550 to 599 USD.
Maybe Xbox and Sony take 50 to 100 dollar hit but I wouldn't be surprised if it's north of 500 USD and 449 gbp.
599gbp prices me out.
Has Sony ruled out a dual drive system w/ 885GB SSD and say 1TB HDD built in? A lot of PCs have been running this way for at least a decade. Seems unnecessary w/ external drives but it could be a selling point at a higher margin price point for them, if they could fit it in the hardware w/o overheating.
As I recall, the PS5 SSD will be a specific size (Edit: 825 GB) designed to fully take advantage of the PS5 architecture. That's why upgraded SSDs won't be readily available as they won't meet the required specifications to be compatible.
@rjejr you’re able to add additional storage at will. Be it mechanical or supported SSD’s. They announced that quite a while ago.
@lacerz the size simply lined up nicely with the requirements. You can add supported drives of whatever size you want after the fact...
If UK price £599 and US price is $599. I won't be buying one on principle. That is outrageous!
@MarcG420
Here are the details.
"The PS5’s expansion bay won’t accept just any M.2 SSD. In order to ensure performance compatibility with the PS5’s high-speed SSD — and physical compatibility with the size of the expansion bay — Sony will be certifying individual M.2 SSDs for the PS5, which uses the new PCI Express 4.0 standard. Cerny said that it’s “likely” that certifications will begin arriving “a bit past” the console’s launch this fall."
https://www.polygon.com/2020/3/18/21185298/ps5-ssd-storage-expansion-xbox-series-x
I would expect the pricing to be around £500, I would still get it at £599 but that will definitely put a lot of people off especially if the launch line up isn't that big!
As other have said it is most probably just a place holder at a higher price. Makes me think a pre-order might be close though
@lacerz yes, and? Compatibility is for speed of the drive and physical dimensions. Your point? That’s why I put “supported”.
@rjejr I'm hoping there's a way to shunt PS5 games to an external HDD to make for large, cheap storage.
Even with supposedly smaller game sizes due to lack of data duplication, increased use of 4K textures is still going to make games quite large, and the stated capacity of the fancy new drives isn't that great. Plus, for a while at least, adding such drives is going to be expensive.
There needs to be a cheap mass storage option, otherwise it's going to put a lot of people off. The problem then is, how quick can they copy games from an external HDD to the internal drive? Because there's little point crowing about 'no loading times' if you need to spend 10 minutes copying a game from HDD to internal storage before you can play.
They will also, in my opinion, need to ensure that the recordings for sharing can be pushed to an external drive rather than taking up space on the internal one, especially if it allows 4K recording resolution; even if it doesn't, 1080p video will still take up a lot of space on that drive.
There are certainly a lot of questions to be answered... I hope they get through a good chunk of them, if not all tomorrow, then quite soon.
Probably turn out to be nothing but if that is the true price it will officially rule me out of a day one purchase
I Hope Sony ship some PS5 Consoles with 2tb normal hard drives at a reduced price compared to a faster loading SSD..............I for 1 would be happy for a cheaper slow loading 2tb hard drive........If I wanted to in the futue as SSD gets cheaper I could fit 1 in.
@Paranoimia If it's like XSX, you can store next gen games on external HDDs, but not play them from it.
@Number09 There will be no HDD based PS5s. Thankfully
@Number09 that’s not going to happen as the I/O is a core feature of the system. Want a mechanical drive? Add one.
@MarcG420 The point is that compatible drives don't currently exist and won't until "a bit past" launch. Everyone here should be well aware that you can attach external storage. It's been talked about plenty. I don't want people going out and buying off the shelf SSDs due to misinformation that any SSD will work. That's not true.
You can reply, but I've ignored you. So have fun.
@Menchi they’ve already said it would work like this on ps5 too unless I’m misremembering. I know for sure they said if you want to play a PS4 game on the ps5 you just need it installed on an external HDD and not the SSD.
@lacerz compatibility is merely for size (physical size of the drive to ensure it fits in the bay) and sufficient speed. If a ps5 owner wished they could simply pop in a sufficiently speedy drive that fits and it would work. There is nothing stopping people from using another ssd before it’s certified. The certification is only to 100% make sure it works. If you had one already there is no downside to popping it in and trying. You can ignore me all you like, I’m still right.
Edit: the compatible drives exist they just haven’t been officially marked as supported. You seriously believe compatible drives don’t yet exist? LOL
Why exactly?
@MarcG420 Ah ok, I haven't personally seen the PS5 version of it detailed so I wasn't sure. I would assume you can play PS4 games from the external drive (like Xbox One games) since they were based on HDDs anyway.
@Menchi exactly.
If there will be a bigger storage model i probably buy it, but 825Gb is enought for me.
@rjc-32 RIIIIIIIIIIIDGE RACER!!!!
@playstation_king I agree all the new games n my past jrpg games
are playable on the PS4 pro, I'm going to be good for a long while.
@Mafia_Man19 Haha, I would actually love to see PS5 launch with a “new” classic ridge racer title. Make it like Ridge Racer 2 on PSP in terms of content, day one purchase.
@Incarna it’s not going to be that much. This is just a place holder price point much like the listing itself. I’m expecting 449-499usd personally.
But does it have giant enemy crabs
It's probably just a placeholder, so no need to worry.
I will put my eyes on mid nxt gen refresh console models...
2TB would be great. I have to get two day one or suffer through a lengthy divorce.
@Loftimus I think the idea is the US ps5 will probably cost about 599 dollars, converting to a lower amount for ps5 in the UK. Economics, yo.
$599 for 2TB and it is sold.
That does not even buy you 1TB NVME and a decent RTX 2070S
If Sony gives a Ryzen+Big-Navi+2TB that can do RayTracing at $599 in the US. It will sell like hotcakes.
@AFCC
As others have said not bad with a 2tb ssd and with his fast the ones they are using I'm expecting them to be expensive.
So how far you would get building a pc with a 2 tb ssd and similar specs at this price
@Number09 you won't be able to play ps5 games with a HHD. The speed is too slow. Not just Loading screen. Even the game will lag. And have pop inns
@J2theEzzo that would be £499 for a ps5 with a 2tb super, smashing ssd! S much as i'd love that, it aint happening, yo.
@MarcG420 I suggest you search for NVME SSDs and look at the speed of what is currently available for sale. I would be very surprised if you could find anything that matches or exceeds the the internal drive in the PS5. There might be something available by the time for PS5 launches but currently anything you buy now won’t work for PS5 games.
@Number09
Never going to happen the ps5 is built around the ssd , the games would have to many problems on normal drive
@MarcG420
(the compatible drives exist they just haven’t been officially marked as supported)
Do you have a link? / a model nummer for SSD that have 9GB/s?
@Ridwaano the 9GB/s speed is compressed bud. I.E. using the custom hardware compression module on the ps5.
You might want to check out the cherno videos on the ps5 deep dive he goes into it in some detail.
https://youtu.be/erxUR9SI4F0
@Ryall maybe research yourself. The drives exist 🤦♂️ It’s well known that the ps5 ssd is NOT the best on the market. The cherno vids goes into some detail about it:
Now before some of you freak out I’m not saying the I/O on the ps5 isn’t the best merely that the ssd component of it is not the best available and that is fact.
https://youtu.be/erxUR9SI4F0
@suikoden @vegeta11 @LiamCroft I'm assuming that the speed of the thing is a factor too?
@MarcG420
With custom designed storage and lots of clever tricks, Sony hits an insane 9GB/sec max throughput on the PS5's next-gen SSD
Read more: https://www.tweaktown.com/news/71338/playstation-5-ssd-speeds-hit-9gb-sec-with-custom-12-channel-controller/index.html
@Ridwaano I’m aware of the speeds 🤦♂️🤦♂️ This is achieved using their hardware compression module and increased priority channels. My god people. Instead of freaking out at me, LEARN SOMETHING.
I don't believe this 'leak' one bit, Sony has deliberately specified that their SSD will ship at 825GB (I'm guessing it'll be 1TB with a usable storage amount of 825GB for games). I feel like Sony is going to release the PS5 at a respectable $499 simply because they can't really afford to ship it at a lower or higher price than that. If they shipped lower than $499 they'd be hemorrhaging money while if they shipped higher than $499 they'd shoot themselves in the foot as Microsoft is looking to undercut them, so to play it safe I believe Sony will want to lock in the $499 price tag, maybe if we're lucky we could see it ship at $449 but I have faith Sony knows what they're doing! Happy gaming my friends 😉💨✌️
@MarcG420 If you’d watched the video you linked to you would be aware that the presenters SSD in his computer was not as fast as the PS5.
Evidence of a SSD that would fit in the PS5 would be something like this https://www.amazon.co.uk/Black-SN750-High-Performance-Internal-Gaming/dp/B07M9VXSXG/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ref_=Oct_DLandingS_D_ed8fdf88_67&smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&linkCode=ll1&tag=eurgam-df-uk-21&linkId=862806db2aedbc57394a927498efd83f&language=en_GB
Obviously the one I linked to is significantly slower than the one that is in the PS5 and therefore would not work.
just had a quick browse on amazon, most nvme ssd 2tb cost between £350-£400, these were 5GB/s not 5.5GB/s. if that price is true, £599 is a bargain.
@Ryall you’re just not getting it. The drive itself is not that speed. Holy geez it’s like talking to a wall sometimes... watch the second video and you might come to understand a bit more.
@joemolomo
Exactly what I was about to say about the prices of nvme drives that don't even have the same specs are £350+
also the people I find who complain about the price point of consoles on release once a decade are the same people who willingly give apple or Samsung £1000+ per year for a new phone with the little upgrade it brings and don't question it
@MarcG420
Is there a 5.5 Gb ssd out there you can buy?
@Ryall you’ve linked a 3rd gen pcie ssd you’re looking for 4th gen or pcie 4.0.
@Ridwaano they’re seeing those speeds in the pcie 4.0 SSD’s they’re testing comparability with already bud.
https://youtu.be/v1SRHrCa4XQ Cerny says so himself. About the 19 minute mark or so.
“By years end we’re going to see pcie drives saturate at 7.0GB/Sec”
@MarcG420 Maybe you should try looking at some shops to see what is currently available right now. Watching specialty videos on YouTube about what maybe theoretically possible in the future doesn’t give you a clear understanding of currently existing technology.
@Ryall clearly a better understanding than some 🤦♂️
@Ridwaano there’s a 5.0GB/second drive you can buy that uses 2 channels of priority access ffs lol
Edit: for clarity, what do you think is going to happen when a new controller is slapped into that same drive with 6 lanes of priority access instead of 2? You guessed it! The speed increases dramatically. That not even counting the 7.0GB/S drives they expect to be testing by years end for compatibility. But by all means, shoot the messenger.
@LiamCroft I think PS5 will be £449 in uk and I would definitely pay £599 to get a 2TB version. Was looking at m.2 SSD and it’s like £200 for 1TB
@Ridwaano No, 9GB/s is not "raw". You are looking at a 5GB/s NVME on the DIMMs side. That is what the calculation where done at.
@MarcG420 is correct. You can hit that with the Ryzen X570 chipset with PCi-E 4.0 lanes on the M.2 2280 slot
But that is consumer. You can hit 8MB/s with Samsung dimms via the PCI Express interface.
https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/ssd/enterprise-ssd/MZPLJ12THALA-00007/
That is what @MarcG420 is trying to point out - What makes the PS5 special is the interface you plug that Nvme in. It really is amazing.
And that a 2Tb 5GBs Nvme would cost you 2/3 the price of a PS5. So the bang for the buck is insane on PS5
That WD drive @3,400MB/s is robbery - Sabrent has a 5000MB/s for about the same price
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sabrent-Internal-Maximum-Performance-SB-ROCKET-NVMe4-1TB/dp/B07TN1MNJ4/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=nvme%2B5gbs&qid=1591812563&s=computers&sr=1-3&th=1
@Agramonte exactly! Thank you🙌
@Agramonte thanks for simplicity it for a uneducated tech guy ! Appreciate it @MarcG420 I guess you know your stuff thanks for the answer my question 😊 and yes you are right!
@Fuzzymonkeyfunk You also need to remember that Sony is using a custom SSD with the PS5 that isn't going to be available as standard anywhere else. That'll drive the price up even more.
Am I wrong if I say that all we need is an SSD big enough to install the 2/3 games we play at once while all the other games (those we have already played and those we still have to play) will wait for their turn in a bigger and cheaper external HDD?
@LiamCroft yeah it’s not going to be cheap. Hopefully won’t need to upgrade straight away as I’m sure games should download and install much faster on the ps5
I reckon thats more the 1tb model 😅 they say that xbox will be $100 cheaper than the ps5 so If they say that imagine how much more the 2tb model would be.
Firstly that’s a place holder, secondly there is no 2TB PS5.
@Agramonte My understanding was that the PS5 drive was 5.5 GB/s and the Sabrent is 5.0GB/s. Unless I’ve misunderstood something whilst it close it should still be too slow to be used as a upgrade drive in the PS5. The Samsung HHHL drive wouldn’t fit inside a PS5.
@Ridwaano Honestly it is not on you. Sony is not making this very clear
Also, you are right in that the "game" will see 9MB/s once all the parts are put in place. You cant do that by just buying a SSD at any price.
On PC, with a $365 5MB/s you do not get instant load time. So again, what SONY has done is truly amazing. I am not taking away from that.
@Ryall Yeah, I also thought that. But the "PS5 target" math they based the presentation on is 5GB/s
"PS5 architect Mark Cerny confirms the PS5 can load 2GBs of data in just 0.27 seconds"
or
2GB ÷ 5GB/s ÷ 1.5 = 0.27 sec
Even the claim on being 100X faster than the PS4 is based on 5GB/s.
"We're talking two orders of magnitude faster, meaning very roughly 100 times faster. Which means at 5GB/sec on the SSD that the game boots in a second. There are no load screens..."
So the memory modules are not hitting 5.5GB/s (or there is no need for it). They need to clear that up 🤷♂️
Wario64 said that by comparison Amazon were selling a PS4 for $1000 before a price was announced so it's obviously a placeholder.
Whatever the price is on launch, I’m priced out until it is around the £300 mark and will be sticking to PS4 until that time.
I don’t mind it being expensive on launch, it is understandable, but I’m not able to spend that kind of money. I waited for the PS4 to hit the £200 mark so I can wait for this.
@Kienda See you after the PS6 hits the market u guess.
@Loftimus that's what I fear. Reckon I could "just" (with emphasis) be tempted to buy a console at launch for that price, but... Realistically, I'll probably wait for them to launch an upgraded, cheaper model
@Agramonte Your logic is sound. But I’d hate to spend that kind of money on a drive only to find that it doesn’t work. Because it requires a bit of extra speed to make up for not having as many priority levels or something along those lines.
@Flaming_Kaiser if this stays at £300 even in the second hand market after 3 years then sure. But these prices are only ever temporary and there is no point over spending.
I bought a Switch 3 months after launch for £213 brand new. That’s an unbeatable deal.
PS4 I bought a couple years after launch for £189 with 3 games and two controllers brand new.
Clearly you can’t get those prices now in this climate. Anyways, some of us gotta be thrifty. We got families to feed and aren’t made of money.
@Ryall I’d never suggest someone go out and buy one without knowing if it could work. I was just saying if you had one that could work there’s no reason you couldn’t use it.
@Kienda Well the way i look at it the storage is going too get cheap soon so it think you in for the long haul so i think i stand by my point. And i know we all need too have money for the essential stuff.
I admit that there might be a 2tb model, but that price is insane. That would translate to about 700 euros/dollars when 600 is seen as the red line.
Sony better not have that kind of nerve.
@Sebatrox Considering this is merely a rumor, I'd wait before jumping to conclusions.
Still think 825 GB is a weird hard drive size.
Perhaps it's a 1Tb but after all the system software and formatting it comes down to 825GB of useable space?
PS4 on Amazon was £599 until Sony officially announced at £350 👍
Put me down for 10 of them I would pay that if it could play my PS1 & PS2 & PS3 & PS4 Discs. That is the only way I would pay over £500+ for a console. I hope it's about under £450 really.
You know what's going to potentially destroy PS5s capability.
People buying external standard harddrives, and then installing games on it that were made to run on SSDs, and they're going to realize it takes centuries to load the games up.
I think some people are getting a tad confused about external drives-Mark Cerny said we'll be able to play ps4 games off external HDD optionally via b/c,but ps5 stuff will only play off the internal SSD.
At best ordinary HDD drives might serve as backup devices but they haven't confirmed that yet.
Only believe when it comes from the horses mouth.
Anyone who believed this in the first place is gullible. Clearly a planned marketing stunt in the wake of a reveal to gather buzz.
@andreoni79 Yes and no. It may be faster to install the game again, than to have it on a HDD and copy it over.
@eltomo don’t be silly. Horses can’t talk.
😆
@Grindagger
Cerney already explained you can't do that. PS5 games will install to the SSD only. He explained that external HDD's will only work for older games.
I am surprised they called this an error and not a placeholder.
@GADG3Tx87 Well well well, that's interesting. I must of missed that memo.
I'm assuming they'll support SSD upgrades though? If not, could get messy very quickly.
Expandable internal memory.
@Grindagger Yes there'll also be a slot for off the shelf NVMe SSDs to expand storage...but...the ones on the market currently either not fast enough, or don't have enough layers of prioritizing data to be compatible with the PS5...as and when they become available (Cerny reckons around PS5 launch), Sony will give their stamp of approval for the SSDs to get.
External HDDs will still be compatible, but as mentioned above, for PS4 games only.
I think the SSD upgrades will be expensive initially, so we might have to manage our PS5 installs...probably pricing is resolved around the time of the PS5 Pro....
@eshy76 I guess it will be manageable to start with, as with all new consoles, lineup will likely be limited until we start getting a huge amount of content, so long as we can keep our PS4 libraries stocked up using old SSDs, i'm ok with that. Will there be a secondary bay? I.E one for PS5, and a secondary drive for PS4, would make sense.... Space is probably a problem though to do that. Oh well, guess we'll find out soon enough
@Ryall Oh, for sure. You better off buying $400 worth of games and fill up the drive that comes with it 😀
Hopefully SONY clears it all up. The last thing we need is for makers to re-brand their 5GB/s drives as "9GB/s PS5 Compatible" and charge even more.
I am so putting in my old NVMe see what happens - PS5 will probably just laugh at me and spit it out 😅
Sony: "No, you're 100 off."
Us: "So it's 100 bucks cheaper?"
Sony: (an image you can hear)
@Dodoo tell that to Mr Ed the talking horse!!
@Grindagger @eshy76 @GADG3Tx87 Wut? This is the first I'm hearing about not sull supporting external drives.
I have a 12TB on xbox one, and 4TB on PS4 and both are full. I also have nearly 2TB worth of games on PS3 (1TB installed), and 360, and I'm probably over half a terrabyte on Switch at this point too.
2TB on a next gen system just isn't going to cut it for me.
@Richnj
You're misunderstanding. The PS5 DOES support external hard drives but only for older games released on PS4 or earlier. Cerny stated that the PS5 games must be installed to the SSD since they will require it due to how they will be more advanced than before.
It has also been stated that you can use your current external HDD with its games installed and they will run on PS5 day one.
I have an 8TB external and I'm using around 4TB of data on it.
Edit. And the reason it won't matter much, again, has been explained. HDD's need the data copied to them around 3 times over to load it's data quickly enough. The SSD will not have that limitation. He stated expect games to take around a third of the space they do now on the SSD due to not needing that limitation.
You need to remember, with the I/O and custom architecture this is not the same simple SSD you'd come to expect elsewhere on the market.
@Grindagger Hey as you say we'll find out soon enough! From the Cerny presentation IIRC, the 825GB PS5 internal SSD is a custom unit and not user upgradeable. There will be a slot for approved additional NVMe SSD storage which meets the minimum specs. I don't think there is a bay for external HDD/SATA SSD - those just connect up using USB as now.
I hope that helps!
@GADG3Tx87 I'm not misunderstanding at all. Even if I place all my PS4 games on an external HDD, I still only have 2TB for my PS5 games, and even if in practice PS5 games end up being a third of the size, we have current gen games pushing up to, and even over 100GB. I mean, if I could fill a 12TB drive, a third of that is still 4TB, twice the size of a 2TB one.
I'd need games to drop down to 360 sizesls in order for me to strrugle to fill a 2TB drive.
So that makes our canadian price arooound.... About $3000 lol.
I wish the base model was 2T even if it costs more. That 850Gb is going to hold like 3 games.
For the sake of any potential success of the PS5 that the £599 was wrong. That’s a deal breaker of a launch price, I don’t care what it’s offering. £400 max for any new console.
No way a retailer would have pricing at this point, unless it was planted for fake out Xbox. I think Sony and MS will be playing a game of chicken on pricing.
At this rate we will be buying next gen by signing a unkown I.O.U waiting till 2022 for the real price to drop
The listing or the price? 🤣
Lets face it .. if it looked like a biscuits and was 600 pounds most of us whold still buy it common admit it lol
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