After smashing through Destiny 2's bombastic opening mission and the rest of its surprisingly lengthy -- and well done -- prologue, we were thrown into the sequel's first free roam map: the European Dead Zone. It was here that for a fair few minutes, things started to feel all too familiar. We were shooting the same enemies, completing the same kinds of objectives, and picking up the same types of loot. We were basically playing the original Destiny, but this time, it was wearing a slightly different skin.
And then, it all began to open up. The European Dead Zone feels far more alive than any open location from the first Destiny. There are public events happening every five minutes or so, and there are enemies to be found in almost every corner. Take the time to explore Earth's old ruins, and it becomes increasingly clear that Bungie's vision for Destiny as a whole is now better realised than it ever has been.
Based on the 15 or so hours that we've put into Destiny 2 thus far, we're of the opinion that this is indeed the bigger and better sequel that many have been hoping for. At this point it's a bit of a cliche to say that Destiny 2 is the game that the original Destiny should have been to begin with, but honestly, that may be an accurate description. In contrast to the state in which its predecessor launched, Destiny 2 absolutely feels like a follow-up from a developer that's learned a lot of important lessons over the last few years.
Indeed, it's the structure of the game that marks the biggest improvement here. Where the first Destiny felt disjointed in its attempt to try and meld open world exploration with co-op activities and a muddled campaign, its successor is a much more cohesive experience in which everything stems from the title's four free roam areas. When you're done poking around these large maps and you're ready for something a little more focused, you just hit up the navigation menu and jump to your next activity, with or without friends.
In many ways, the sequel is streamlined. It takes almost all of the quality of life enhancements that Destiny received over the years and applies them right from the start. The loot system and the overall grind of powering up your Guardian have never been simpler, and thinking back to how the original game launched, Destiny 2 is in a different league.
And rightly so. After three years of tweaking and tinkering with its predecessor, you'd hope Bungie would nail it first time with Destiny 2, and right now, we think that it probably has done. That said, we do have a few concerns at the time of writing.
For one, we're not too keen on all of this new microtransaction stuff. Destiny had microtransactions as well, but you never had to give them a second look unless you wanted to splash some real life cash on customising your Guardian. In Destiny 2, things are undoubtedly a little more shady. If you haven't already heard, you can now spend money on bright engrams, which are essentially loot boxes, and these engrams can contain weapon and armour mods that provide in-game advantages.
Now, we need to note that you're also given a bright engram for free every time that you level up past the game's soft level cap of 20, but that doesn't change the fact that you can hit up the storefront and potentially get your hands on gear that enhances your character. Do you have to do it? Not at all. Is it disheartening to see such a system present in a fully priced retail title that has a season pass? Absolutely.
And then there are the shaders. In Destiny, you collected shaders as loot, and equipping them coloured your guardian's armour in specific ways. Wearing a rare shader was a mark of pride for some, but in Destiny 2, shaders are single-use items that can only be applied to one piece of gear at a time. And guess what? They can be found in bright engrams. Rubbish.
Ultimately, it's a huge shame that the aforementioned issues are present, because outside of all that sh*te, we've had a great time with Destiny 2. Gameplay-wise -- when it comes to shooting aliens in the head -- the release is almost identical to its fantastically tight predecessor, but the actual game that surrounds it is so much better. Heck, this one even has a story -- a reasonably good, coherent story. Unless the endgame grind turns out to be a massive pain the arse, Destiny 2 is looking like a very successful follow-up to one of the PlayStation 4's best shooters.
We've thoroughly enjoyed the time that we've put into Destiny 2 so far, and if all goes to plan, we'll have a full review for you in the near future. But what are your thoughts on Bungie's latest? Brag about how many evil aliens you've blown away in the comments section below.
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Couldn't really give a damn about the microtransaction stuff, if people want to pay to win I'm fine with that, doesn't change my game.
The problem I've got at the moment is there is actually quite a bit of stuff to do lol.
No issue with the microtransactions. It's not really pay to win, since you can get the stuff fairly easily in game and it is still luck based. If there were something with a clear advantage to people who paid over those that didn't - like an exotic you could only reasonably get that way - I'd start to care.
I am quite surprised this whole micro-transaction thing hasn't blown up quite so big as Shadow of War (I guess because Bungie have kept it pretty quiet and not focused on it during the marketing).
I have two concerns about micro-transactions where the purchases are not cosmetic. Firstly, they want people to spend money which means that the things you can buy must be valuable enough to encourage it. If it is valuable it means you must be worse off not having it in the game, either through grinding or not having it. Now the advantage might be relatively minor but it can't be that minor or else why buy?
Secondly, buying anything blind is a form of gambling. I'm sorry, it just is. It needs better regulation. Now, Destiny has been out a few hours so not going to get the pitchforks ready quote yet but I hate this business practice. The game is full price and every update will cost more money which I am fine with. Make money there Activision.
Loving it
It's true what you say about gunplay. Yesterday, I was so immersed in the game there was a moment during one gunfight when my firing almost fooled me and I had to glance down at the controller. an eerie moment indeed.
I feel so disappointed about the new shader system. Feels like such a money grab.
Anyone know if there'll be lobbies for strikes and raids? I'm not prepared to jump through hoops for a game I'd have already paid for. It was my biggest let down in D1 and the reason I gave up at level 20 and sold it. I'm far to busy with work and family to do this.
Looks alright but I'm gonna wait till it drops down.
@Athrum why? those engrams drop from level 20 up anyway .. no need to buy them
@gingerfrog the clan stuff and guided raids is currently not up ... we will see what is in there ...
@Bonito Because you can't use them anytime you want, you cant swap anytime you want. If you get a nice engram you'll have to save them until you have the perfect rolls on the gear so that you can use them or else if you replace your gear they're gone.
Awesome. Can't wait until the crashing issue on the Pro is resolved so I can play my preorder.
I have no problem with nearly the same enemies .. it makes sense, because it is the same world at the same time. (did anybody complain the same for .. FIFA or Madden or ...?)
And some of the enemies ARE changed beyond the visible skin.
The objectives are more or less the same .. like in COD etc. too - it is a shooter - what do expect other than "blow them up"?
The Maps etc. are yet completly new .. that is fine.
More of the same? Sure .. its Destiny, I did not preporder D2 to get a chess game, but because I wanted more of Destiny.
@Athrum there are no rolls on the gear anymore, but I see it is not nice that a shader is lost when you want to try a different one
i never got the first Destiny is the complete edition worth getting now the second game is out?
NO, D1 is like dead now and bungie already turned some stuff of D1 off!
When they added microtransactions to Destiny I was done with it and it was pretty obvious the trend would continue, but be slightly worse with this game. The list of games I would have bought, but didn't because of this practice is steadily growing. They are something that has no justification in existing in full priced games other than greed and the sad fact is that they are defended by fans of whatever game they are in with the same inane and poorly thought out arguments of why they are OK to exist.
i've watched a friend play through the first three worlds, and had a bit of a go myself.. the basic mechanics remain as slick as ever, but all the major weaknesses from the original game are still present in my opinion. the story is better, but it's still rubbish (to this point), and the design of the game just doesn't lend itself to good narrative story telling in my opinion. yes, there's more cinematic cutscenes but ***** spoiler alert ****** the tower's gone, the cabal have captured the traveller and stolen the light from all guardians, zavala, ikora and cayde scattered across the solar system.. and yet the narrative still tasks you with deploying beacons, and running around doing frivelous busywork patrols to hit an arbitrary level to continue the story. even the public events are unimaginatively familiar.. :-/
my impressions as (mostly) an observer would be that the main strengths and weaknesses from the original game remain largely the same..
@Rudy_Manchego "I am quite surprised this whole micro-transaction thing hasn't blown up"
I'm more surprised nobody talks about the season pass. It's $35, that's more than half the price of the $60 game. So most people probably just pay the $90 bundle price to start, to save $5, but they are still paying $90 for the game, parts of which they'll get who knows when. And then they have micro-transactions on top of that.
I know season pass is an accepted industry standard now, still waiting for even Super Mario Odyssey to get one, but SWBF2 has dropped it in favor of free DLC updates. They do have an $80 Elite version of the game, but you can still buy it for $60. I guess maybe they'll have micro-transactions too, instead of the season pass, but at least one-or-the-other sounds better than both.
And of course you STILL have to pay to play online.
@rjejr You are right, no one even talks about the Season pass despite not knowing anything about what is included on it and it making a $60 game over a $90. It is another shady practice that people seem to freely support. It would be like buying every episode of a tv show before they have even made it or telling you how many episodes there are or even if it is going to be the same show!
@Dichotomy Agree 100%.
After having about 1000 happy hours in D1, I see no reason to doubt that I will get another 1000 from D2. Most games are much more expensive.
Why is it a problem for YOU when I buy that product blind?
You are not forced to buy the "season pass" or preorder .. so what?
It is "stupid" to subscribe to magazines too? No? .. why?
@Dichotomy I completly ignore those microtransactions .. they do not cost me anything nor do they harm me.
Are there options for video, such as 4K or HDR? I can't seem to find them in the menus. As far as the bright engram and shader controversy, I agree shades should be like they were in the first, but hey, it's Activision, let's not be surprised here. The engrams are for people that are stupid with their money and don't want to actually play the game, because anyone actually playing will out-gear them by the time they hit 20.
@rjejr I've mentioned this before, but i have a bad feeling about SWBF2. (Solo pun not intended) This is EA. They will find a way to include a season pass and use different words to describe it. The only reason Titanfall 2 got away with it was because it was the red headed stepchild when it came out alongside BF1 and the new CoD, so they weren't expecting much from it. EA will find a way to make people pay more than $60 to play on all maps and all modes.
Didn't buy anything from Triss in the last game, not buying anything now. The penny dropped for me last night that she's the reason I dislike Chloe from uncharted so much. It's the same actress (who I'm sure is lovely)!
Shady gambling aside, I'm loving it so far. Just rescued someone from the Vex and had to stop to come to work. I'm off for a few days now so can't wait to get back on.
10/10 Would marry AI.
Destiny 2 is a massive improvement over Destiny in every way, story wise, content wise, the worlds are bigger and 10x better environment wise. Destiny 2 is the game Destiny should have been, but because the original Destiny was on the PS3/360 as evident by D2 last gen systems held Destiny back.
@Bonito A poem comes to mind:
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
While you may be happy with the current situation as it doesn't impact on the game for you, try to understand it does impact others who enjoy the cosmetic side of the game. Also try to see that eventually microtransactions will impact on aspects of games you do enjoy. By ignoring them now you are leaving them to creep into every aspect of gaming.
Beyond that it is worth voicing distaste at the practice of loot crates/boxes as they are morally corrupt and akin to gambling. The amount of systems to create additional profit from games at the expense of user experience now is getting silly and throughout the time they've built up I constantly see people justifying them as something that has no impact on them.
@RedMageLanakyn I'm pretty sure EA will be the first company to come out w/ a PGL - Personal Gaming License - where we'll have to pay $20 each year - or 3 years for $50 - to sign up for an EA account to play EA games. They'll promote it as a good thing, 1 account across Switch, PS4, Xbox and PC games, but it will just be a money grab.
I thought of this the other night playing Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning on my PS3, and it has to sign into EA and check my profile. Or something. For a game made by a company that went out of business. An offline single player game. Why does EA care or need to know that I'm playing KoA:R?
And just to be clear I'm not talking EA Access - pay and get games to play - I'm talking pay just to be able to play games you still have to purchase. Kind of like PS+ or Xbox Live Gold but w/o the games. Sounds crazy I know, but so did Nitneod making DLC for SSB, horse armor microtransactions, 2 year delayed Zelda getting a season pass. Not sure any other company could get away with it, but I think EA will have the nerve to try it some day.
In case you aren't a sports fan - PGL = PSL.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20108213/golden-state-warriors-become-1st-nba-team-charge-personal-seat-licenses-new-arena
@Rudy_Manchego Season pass
I also find it annoying when a company sells a season pass, and then sells more DLC that isn't included in your season pass. My son bought a season pass for DBXV2 and we don't know if the 5th DLC is included or not. And FFXV could have DLC not included in the season pass.
So sell a game for $60, sell a season pass, then sell more DLC and have microtrasnactions. I'd rather they just make the games $80 and release them when they're done. Or make them all free-to-start. It's getting out of hand.
I remember being pretty blown away when the D1 demo released but i never jumped on the destiny train. The way the levelling up and things worked always seemed really confusing and convoluted which kind of detered me from getting destiny. Think i might have to partake this time around though.
So am I right in saying I could spend money (and lots of it) to get the best gear/guns without having to do anything but pay real money???
This leads me to my next point....
If they have this in place does it mean it will be harder to get the good/best stuff from normal drops etc? I haven't brought D2 as I brought D1 and spent well over £100 on all beta and all the DLC to finally have the full game so gonna wait this time round
@rjejr I'd rather they just price DLC at something reasonable as it is released. Like a 5 hour expansion, like $8-10 for expansion 1 etc. A season pass means nothing to a lot of publishers if they think they can flog extra content on top of it.
@Rudy_Manchego "A season pass means nothing to a lot of publishers if they think they can flog extra content on top of it."
Nintendo really annoyed me w/ it's $19.99 Zelda season pass. A green line on a map is NOT DLC, it's not even a patch or an update, it's something that was already in the game, as the 200 hours of backwards compatibility proves, all they did was make it green. Everybody who paid $60 for the gaem deserves a green line turned on. Hard mode is debatable but should probably be considered part of the main game. A red Switch t-shirt on my Wii U is not season pass worthy, it's a pre-order bonus at best, or just give it to people who buy the game digitally on the Switch. The 3 extra chests - possibly none of which I ever found - should have been a pre-order bonus. I paid $20 for the Guardian amiibo, they probably sold plenty of Link rider and Link archer @ $15 a peice as well. They really didn't need the season pass. I unlocked Epona w/ my old Link amiibo from SSB, paid $12 for that. Oh, and paid another $15 for Wolf Link amiibo - the ONLY way to get a pet/sidekick in the game as dogs wont' leave the stable. Not even people who paid $20 for a season pass get the pet sidekick.
And the game was due out in 2015, released in 2017, they had an extra 15 months to just put that all in the main game as they ported it to Switch. I'd be ok w/ $10 for upcoming DLC Chamions Balld if it is indeed a new story, but most of the "Season pass" wasn't really necessary. It always looked to me like something Ntinedo cobbled together at the last minute.
@rjejr Sadly I can see that coming to fruition. It honestly reminds me of the entire process of being allowed to drive. You have to buy a license, buy/lease a car, buy a license plate and registration for the car, and get insurance before you can even drive it legally! Plus some states require a yearly "subscription" emissions check, which is a dumb sticker. The whole process is crazy, and those who skip those steps, we'll just call them pirates
I like the game so far, obviously Destiny 2 was always going to be more Destiny, so no disappointments there. The shader thing is a bummer, but not the end of the world. Microtransactions in gaming are just generally grim and greedy, but if anyone can find a way to get more and more, they will use it
@Midzark No, fortunately the microtransactions don't grant you powerful weapons and armour, just the chance of getting specific mods that enhance your equipment. Again, though, all of this stuff is available in the game to begin with.
Personally I don't think the microtransactions are bad enough where they should dissuade you from buying the game if you're looking to buy it in the first place.
BUT as with any microtransactions in a fully priced retail game with a season pass, etc., etc., I think having them there sets a potentially dangerous precedent, and so I think they're worth calling out.
As for normal loot, as far as I can tell, it's not really too hard to find good stuff. I've found the game to be very rewarding overall.
Yeah the shaders thing sucks, it wouldn't be so bad if you could like remove them and re-apply them. You have to really like your gear before you're willing to use them now.
@ShogunRok Thank you for such a Great reply, I shall wait a little while see if the price drops in the coming months
@RedMageLanakyn Yeah driving is horrible, especially here in New York. It's a borderline scam. I switched insurance companies a year ago b/c they raised my rate 10% after being with them 19 years w/o an accident and always paying my bill on time. They told me my rate had to go up b/c of people around me. Well here's an idea, raise their rates. After 19 years - paying about $35,000 in insurance w/o ever having an accident - they should have given me the 20th year for free. They did tell me I had a good driving 5 year discount, but they don't have discounts for year 10, 15 or 20. So I save about $400 per year now by switching. Guess I should thank them.
Only thing worse than driving is home "ownership". I pay over $200/m in mortgage interest. Nearly $9,000 per year in real estate taxes. $1,000 per year for that insurance. So even when I pay off my home and "own" it in 6 years, rather than feeling like I'm renting it form the bank, I'll still be paying $10,000 per year to live in it. Not including sewer, water, gas, electric. And whenever they want "imminent domain" means the country can take it to build a stadium or shopping mall.
https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/21599-eminent-domain-in-connecticut-homeowners-fight-to-keep-homes
So I'l basically be paying $10k per year keeping the spot warm until some developer wants it. Or more likely climate change floods me out and puts my house under water.
The American dream of home ownership is a only a dream for the banks and super wealthy, the rest of us are more like maintenance men than real owners.
And this is why marijuana is becoming legal in more and more states, to deal w/ reality, videogames can only do so much.
@rjejr $9000 in real estate tax is insane! I guess I'll be avoiding new York for our next house purchase!
@RedMageLanakyn $9000 in real estate tax is insane!
Well here's the insane part. When I bought the house 15 years ago my taxes were about $3,800. Now I understand how inflation works, things go up, but my house is still worth close to what it was then thanks to the housing bubble. If my house was worth triple I woudln't mind, but while th eprice of the osue was going down down down, the tax was still going up up up. I am lucky though, neighbors who bought there house 10 years ago are sitll underwater, so at least I'm at break even.
So yeah, avoid NY. I'm looking to move near whatever kid moves to the warmer climate after they graduate college in a dozen years.
@Dichotomy I think to compare bungie with racists and nazis is more than a bit off.
@Bonito Wow, after four days to think about my post that is what you take from it? You do know you can take the general meaning or idea behind a statement/poem/story etc and apply it elsewhere if it makes sense without having direct links to its original source material don't you? I mean I even explained exactly how I was linking it to what you said in case any one was silly enough to think somehow I was making a comparison to said source material which is in no place mentioned by me (and that alone to me is sad that I have to go to that length to point out something obvious in the hopes of avoiding posts like this).
So, with that said, I'm a bit confused how you could make that comparison and take only that from what I said. Well, that is, unless someone wanted to somehow try to paint in a negative light a logical argument against a game they liked and justify their own apathy towards practices that are anti-consumer within said game. You wouldn't do that though would you?
I do honestly look forward to the day they patch in something that alters your experience of the game for the sake of making more money. This is not out of malice, it's just so you understand how it is for others who do find the current system that way and perhaps teach you a little empathy for others' problems, as well as the reason people like me are taking this issue so seriously (that relates back to the poem, but I won't mention that in case you decide to misunderstand the point again).
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