Consumers didn't get a great grasp on the PlayStation 4 Pro at Sony's low-key press conference this week, but there's plenty of time for the platform holder to course correct its messaging before the box's 10th November release. And as the appliance assumes the top spot on various retail best sellers lists, analysts are in agreement: the hardware's going to hit hard.
Divisive forecaster Michael Pachter of Wedbush Securities was the first to weigh in on the new console as part of an extensive article published on Games Industry.biz. "The pricing gives Sony a big advantage," he said of the $399.99 machine. "PS4 Slim is competitive with Xbox One S, but PS4 Pro is a bargain. For the same price as the 2TB Xbox One S, you get 1TB and future proof for 4K."
Pachter continued: "I think this sells very well at holiday, and was surprised it was coming out this year." David Cole of DFC Intelligence agreed: "Sony will have the powerful system with virtual reality now and a well-executed plan that leaves consumers no reason to wait. It is just an all-around compelling proposition."
SuperData Joost van Dreunen added: "The relatively low price point for all available devices and the publisher support promises to supercharge the holiday season." Meanwhile, IDC games research director Lewis Ward said that the PS4 Pro's souped-up GPU paints "one hell of a sexy picture". However, he cautioned that 4K television adoption isn't high at the moment.
And this is perhaps the biggest lesson that Sony will have learned from this week's press conference: it needs to sell the system to people with 1080p televisions too, as the console does pack some pretty meaningful pros for those not willing to upgrade their screen – the manufacturer just hasn't done a particularly good job explaining it. Yet.
[source gamesindustry.biz]
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Wholly agree on the 1080p part, if select past and all future games can offer better presentation and better framerates then it would be seriously compelling. I kinda hoped that was going to be Sony's message, yes it supports 4k and HDR but we built this machine to offer Full HD and 60fps on all games. But realistically that's not possible because all of publishers value how great a game looks over smooth gameplay because looks sell better.
@adf86 "If select past and all future games can offer better presentation and better framerates then it would be seriously compelling."
They absolutely will, Sony just did a bad job of telling everyone.
OK so the PS4 Pro is going to fail hard -__-
I totally agree it's a great deal. The diehards will upgrade regardless but for anyone who doesn't own a PS4 yet, there's really no reason not to get the Pro for $100 more.
I may consider one next year at Christmas after I have PSVR and NX, but then again Scorpio will be coming out then and if PS4 still doesn't allow externals, I know which upgrade I'll be investing in (the one that can install the most games).
The HDD is a major issue now for myself anyway as I've been getting AAA titles in the sales and I've used over 700GB on my 2TB HDD of the 1.7TB that's useable so a 1TB would be useless to me.
Yet Xbox One S has UHD BD. Sony still under delivers yet again. It won't deliver native 4k, won't deliver 60fps, same cpu, same amount of ram, oh and I guess it'll look prettier, that's it. You can build a better budget pc for the same amount. It will deliver a slight upgrade. Sony is using fancy words, and will entice those who know nothing about pc building. That 1tb will be filled very quickly for the pro. Developers will still be held back from creating a better game, look at NMS. I bet you they had to remove things bc of the ps4. Don't get me wrong, I love sony, and playstation, just annoyed how they think this upgrade is a great thing. Xbox with 6Tflops might come close to native 4k.
This is a no brainier for someone who doesn't have a home console. Ps4 pro is like a new console whereas the Xbox one s is just a PS4 sized Xbox. However, to those of us who already own both consoles, I would like to see what the Scorpio and Nintendo NX have to offer before upgrading.
@get2sammyb I hope they can make it optional like ROTTR...
I'll pick 60fps Any day...
I don't necessarily disagree but usually when "Pachter says" it's smart to go the other way
Offtopic: Still wondering if the game of the month article is coming
Its going to be hard sell because very few people understand how game changing HDR actually is. Most people don't upgrade their TV's often - its one of those pieces of technology that generally only get replaced once their existing TV breaks. Whilst 4k itself may not be selling in high numbers, it is selling well. 4k on its own can be a difficult sell - not a great deal of content and not often a significant improvement - unless you go large or sit close so the temptation to replace a TV with 4k doesn't always make a lot of sense if you have a perfectly good 1080p.
Because of how good 1080p can look, people can't picture what HDR can actually bring. Having a wider colour gamut and greater contrast ratio sounds quite meaningless - most TV's have 16m colours so what can 1bn give that's significantly different?What difference does 1000nits make? My 1080p TV looks bright enough? At least with VR, even if you don't actually get hands on, its much easier to imagine what that technology brings to a game.
That's part of the problem for PS4 Pro. There is no way for Sony to show people around the world what HDR actually is, how all those things combine together. Even if you can watch 4k video's, there is no way to show how much more vibrant HDR is. The only way to really experience what HDR is, is to buy a 4k HDR TV (not cheap) or go yo a TV retailer and ask to see a demo. VR again can at least show a video of the game play and imagination can expand the concept but unless you have experience of HDR, the game video's don't look very different.
For those with 1080p TV's and never gamed on PC, PS4 games look amazing, Shadows, lighting, reflections etc all look great. Even when you see PC video's with ultra Settings, the difference can seem 'slight' - especially if watched on 'small' screens - not big 50" TV's and/or only 1080p so again the 'sell' is difficult.
The standard PS4 has a number of games that run at 900p and play well so if you have a standard PS4 and a 1080p, the thought of spending £350 to play at a full 1080p may not sound worth it. Most of the 900p games are 60fps so little gain there. A lot of games though also have unlocked frame rates so the Pro could (and should) give a much more consistent frame rate. We saw the slight increase in the power of the XB1 directly correlate with an increase in the framerate of games that are unlocked - by that I mean that the 7% difference gave a 7% increase in frame rates.
I know the PS4 Pro doesn't have a 4k HDR Bluray, and whilst I would have preferred it come with one - even if it was £400, I can see why Sony has. Microsoft decided to go the route of upgrading the media side to 4k BUT its still a HD (not often full HD either) 'gaming' console. Sony opted to upgrade the gaming side to offer a ultraHD 'gaming' console with HD/4k media. According to them, they believe that PS4 owners rarely use the bluray drive for movies and the 'extra' cost would push the 'pro' above the $400 price point. I wouldn't be surprised if they are planning on releasing a dedicated 4k HDR Bluray in the near future and that could affect sales of that too.
As someone with a 4k and HDR TV, this was an easy sell to me. I can picture where HDR is going to look stunning, where it will make the game come alive. Horizon (for example) is such a game. The watchers 'eyes' will look more like the bright lights they are, the sparks and 'electricity' will look more like real sparks and lightning - I can't wait!
@TimeforTravel Soon! I Promise!
On topic, I think this is a bit of a no-brainer. Totally agree that the PS4 Slim/Pro is going to dominate the market this holiday seeing as there's no real competition other than potential Xbox One S bundles.
I hate to critique technical innovation, but alot of the products coming this holiday season seem like huge question marks to me. Do people who already own PS4s want to buy another one? Do people want to strap on a helmet to play games? Do people who already bought 4K TVs over the last few years want to buy another one just to get HDR? Do people with HD movies on BD want to rebuy them in 4K?
Me personally, I'm not particularly interest in rebuying movies on 4K BD or buying another TV to get HDR. I don't want to wear a helmet or buy another PS4 either. There's some evidence that VR has already stalled on PC, beyond the easy early adopter sales. These analysts are usually wildly over optimistic...
@Chris0160 "Yet Xbox One S has UHD BD. Sony still under delivers yet again."
Yet the PS4 Pro offers native 4k gaming, MS under deliivers yet again with its 720-900p 'HD' gaming.
" It won't deliver native 4k, won't deliver 60fps, same cpu, same amount of ram"
It will deliver Native 4k - games like the Last of Us and Elder Scrolls online are already confirmed as native 4k games. A lot of the other games may not be 'native' 4k but they are still over 1080p - even at 1440p that's double the native pixel count of 1080p yet the XB1 can't even manage that often.
The PS4 can do 60fps - CoD, BF1, TF2 are all 60fps games and I bet these all hit 60fps better than the PS4/XB1s - and at higher frame rates too!
Yes the CPU is the same type but its actually a lot faster. Its over 30% faster on EVERY core. Yes the RAM maybe the same in quantity but its also got a much higher bandwidth - meaning it can transfer a lot more data faster.
The GPU alone is 3x the power of the XB1s but with the increased clock speed and higher bandwidth RAM, the overall difference is more significant than just the 3x difference in the GPU - same goes when comparing it to the PS4.
If you would rather spend your time watching movies on your 'games' console and happy to play games at 720-900p on your 4k HDR TV (as that is the ONLY way to benefit from buying an XB1s - it has no benefit to 1080p TV owners), that is your choice. However if you want to game on your console and benefit from much higher resolution and/or frame rates, I regardless of what TV you own, then the PS4 Pro is an option. I can virtually guarantee that games like BF1, TF2 etc will look and run better than on PS4(900p) let alone on the XB1s (720p).
@GamerDad66 Have you experienced HDR? Its a bigger step up in my opinion than HD was to Standard Definition. People were quick to adopt HD once they saw it but initial uptake was slow as people were 'happy' with what they had as that was the 'norm'
@GamerDad66 I think your perspective is fine, but you're just one person. I'm going to assume you already have a PS4, so Sony will be happy just selling you copies of any of the Christmas games you're excited for.
They're refreshing the product portfolio, but that doesn't mean that every single fan has to pick up the new hardware/accessories they have coming out. If you don't want them, I'm sure they'll be happy you just continue to buy a handful of games.
@ShogunRok Or the Mini NES
Great Michael Patchter jinxed it.
If my PS4 breaks I will go pro.
Its taken me a while but I understand the reason for the shift, get everyone talking about 4k TVs to help shift some of Sonys TVs whilst also battling against the xbox one revision, here the ps4 is more powerful anyway, the pro takes that dominant power up a small notch both graphically and performance wise so will better contend xbox ones ever increasing install base and keep Sony at the top in America. Then in 4 years we get the PS5 which will be fully ultra HD.
Despite all the negative rubbish it'll sell extremely well. There's a lot of misinformed whiners around. Everyone will shut up when it comes round to the end of the financial year April and Sony are still crushing it.
@Bad-MuthaAdebisi lol. Basically, yes.
@BAMozzy
I'm talking about the Scorpio vs the Pro. Not the Xbox One Slim. Scorpio is coming out next year. Xbox One S this year, that will not stand up to the Pro, yes. Scorpio however will. The CPU is "clocked" higher, does not mean it will grant that much better processing power. GPU is better than the original PS4, 1.84 vs 4.20 tflops. But for native 4k you'll have to get out 6Tflops+. Sony is using a new up scaling feature that will put it not quite at 4k. Upscaling is not Native 4k. Like I said using fancy words for everyone that does not know about pc building. But I wish they will power it up before release. I will still be a fan of Playstation, and love the brand, and have since the Original. I'll wait and see before I choose to pick up the scorpio or the pro. HDR enabled tvs are too expensive. Both new Xbox's will have the uhd, which may tempt some buyers to buy that instead, that's all on that part.
@Chris0160 But the fundamental flaw in what you're saying is that the Scorpio, aside from a 90 second trailer on YouTube, doesn't exist right now.
We can revisit this conversation when the console is properly announced, but the reality is that Sony has a low-end console, a high-end console, and virtual reality all ready to roll this Christmas.
Its competitors, meanwhile, have both announced consoles that aren't even ready to be shown...
If you want to watch movies the One S is a good option If you want to pay games on a 2x the power PS4 its all about PS4 pro. Even the original PS4 will still out perform the One S. Remember we talking about GAME Consoles. PS4 received gaming boost. Microsoft gave you a movie player!!!
After seeing the livestream and the price I decided to upgrade on launch, the difference is potentially huge even just in 1080p let alone 4k whether it be native or Sony's very clever checkerboard effect. However as I'm about to move house I decided to splash out on a new 4k hdr TV and I have to say after seeing the demo in store these new screens are truly amazing. Unfortunately my TV is staying in its box for the next 2 weeks until the move and is taunting me all the time
@JohnKarnes And that's absolutely fine. One S is a great option for people who want a 4K Blu-ray player, no question about it.
We'll see how many people are in the market for one of those this Christmas.
@Chris0160 Your opening statement only mentioned the Xbox one S and the fact it has a HDR Bluray Player and now you say HDR TV's are too expensive?
The only time you alluded to the Scorpio was in your very last sentence - saying Xbox with 6tf will come closer to native 4k. If the PS4 with its over 1080p and HDR is 'pointless' because HDR TV's are expensive then the Scorpio, when it eventually arrives is also pointless.
What the PS4 Pro offers is the most powerful console by a much greater margin, able to deliver up to native 4k NOW and HDR gaming and all for the the cost of the launch XB1s - which by your statement is pointless as HDR TV's are too expensive!. If you can't afford a HDR TV then why on earth would you want to buy a XB1s whose biggest selling point is the HDR Bluray Player?
I buy consoles first and foremost for gaming. I would rather have an upgraded gaming console than an upgraded media box that can play HD games. I own a 4k HDR TV and I am MUCH more excited by having a much higher resolution - even if its not always native 4k. People bought a PS4 and Xbox One and yet don't always have a full native 1080p gaming experience - in fact quite a few XB1 games can't manage more than 720p - the original Xbox had a number of games at 720p!! Obviously game look better nowadays but the native 'resolution' is no better in some games.
The Scorpio may well be more powerful, may well deliver more games in native 4k (although I suspect these will most likely be exclusives in the same way most 1080p XB1 games are 'exclusives' too). Its very likely that 3rd party games may have a higher native resolution in general but that's still a year away and doesn't help me now with the games I want to play. Technology moves on and becomes cheaper. I bet the PS4 Pro will be a much cheaper option than the Scorpio by then too. In a year lets compare and factor in the cost at that time too. I will have a years enjoyment by that point on my PS4 Pro as well!
@BAMozzy The XBox One S may well have UHD drive but is unable to bitstream HD audio, most of us who own 4k TV's have a complimentary sound system to go with it, ie Dolby Atmos, DTS-X (and all the older ones). Who pays a premium for a 4k bluray disk to put up with crappy sound from the TV or a soundbar? Most of us want premium audio with 4k Video and the XBox One S is unable to deliver. So the drive is a pointless addition to a console losing ground every day
Sorry that comment was more targetted at @Chris0160
@GamerDad66
I don't know about you but what I want hopefully, eventually, extremely wishful thinking is something like the technology in Sword Art Online. It's like an advanced version of VR. It's something like a game themed lucid dream. It puts your mind inside the game while your body sleeps. It's something that won't happen anytime soon though, but for now yes, I'll put on a helmet, and play Vr.
@BAMozzy You spent an entire paragraph saying Sony problem with Pro was HDR needed to be seen to be appreciated. But wouldn't then the real problem for Pro be that every PS4 and PS4 slim will also get HDR? Why pay $100 more for Pro if Slim gets HDR? Why spend $400 on Pro if your old PS4 is getting HDR?
I know there are other points to get in Pro, but an entire paragraph on HDR seemed a waste if every PS4 will have it.
@JaxonH You're probably right, Pro is worth the extra $100, but Slim will be out for 2 months first, so it will be interesting to see PS4 sales between now and then. Will people wait? And certainly nobody who buys Slim then will upgrade.
As for me, well Pro may be worth $100 more, but what will the holidays bring? At least 1 if not both will have game bundles or BF sales and GC. I would prefer to get the Pro, but a Slim on sale for $249 w/ a game would be better than $399 Pro no game.
@get2sammyb the messaging was clear as day, don't blame them for the short attention spans of people these days.
Btw 2tb Xbox One S' aren't readily available, i work at a major gaming retail store and we only got preordered consoles in, now the ONLY way to get a 2tb Xbox One is of you preorder the Gears of War 4 console and the 1tb/500gb XB1S' are only due for release WITH Fifa 17, we're not doing preorders for any standalone consoles.
@BAMozzy
Oops, sorry about that, and yes Ps4 Pro is the strongest console at the moment, I won't deny that. That said, Ps4 pro can not deliver games in native 4k as it is now. At the conference sony stated Horizon Dawn was running at 4k.
http://www.vg247.com/2016/09/08/sony-will-share-more-ps4-pro-technical-details-soon-horizon-zero-dawn-not-running-at-native-4k/
This article says otherwise. Even if the other games have confirmed native 4k now, does not always mean that'll work out.
Sony will use an upscaling technique to get close to 4k. I didn't make it entirely clear that I was talking mostly about the Scorpio. The only part about the One S is that it'll have UHD, for those who don't care, like me, I'm just stating it has it. I may eventually care.
And @JayJayUK I don't know that the audio will be bad. All I know it has the drive.
@Get2SammyB for now yes it doesn't exist, so all I can do is speculate on the spec sheet that's around the internet.
@Chris0160 Oh good, Internet rumours! What could go wrong?
@rjejr The difference between the Pro and Slim/standard is that the Slim/Standard version is not being sold as a premium 4k HDR device and that whether people have HDR enabled or not is hardly going to make any difference to their decision. Its the budget option so to speak and that's a 'bonus' but the reality is for most, is that its never going to be seen as they will be using 1080p TV's. In some ways its more for PR.
@jayjayuk I know the sound options are limited and I can see a lot of movie buffs opting for a dedicated Bluray player as they will no doubt have the full Dolby Atmos or at least something better than 5.1 that the XB1s currently offers. I know the XB1s is quiet but its not as quiet as the original XB1 and nowhere near as quiet as a dedicated player either...
@Chris0160 As I proved, the PS4 Pro can run games in a native 4k - Look at the Last of Us and Elder Scrolls online - both NATIVE 4k games on PS4 Pro. That's 4x the native resolution of ANY game on ANY console. Horizon may not be 'native' 4k but its more than double the resolution that ANY other console can currently manage. If you think 6tflops is 'enough' for native 4k in every game, then you will be very disappointed! Like I said, even if you have a PS4, the most powerful console currently available, that can't manage a full native 1080p in every game yet that didn't stop it selling 40m+. The PS4 Pro can at least deliver the full 1080p in EVERY game even though a LOT can and will run a lot higher if connected to a 4k screen - name another console that can and will be offering that in the next year!
This weeks letters are H D R and K. The bonus number is 4.
@BAMozzy
In the article it even states that while it is 2x better, it only comes close to 4k, not quite 4k, and you just stated you need more than 6Tflops to run games in native 4k, isn't 4.2 less than said 6? As the developer for Horizon came out and announced it wont run in native 4k, whats to say that Bethesda wont come out and say the same. In my initial statement I said you need at least at least 6Tflops to come close to native 4k. That said I have yet to see the game play, I will come around to it. Again, Ps4 Pro atm is the strongest console. I cannot deny that. If 6Tflops isn't enough to run Native 4k how in the world is 4.2 capable when 6 isnt???
I'm all ready sold on the PS4 Pro. It's picking out the right TV that is giving me trouble. I'm a bit overwhelmed on wanting to pick the right one.
Like I said, if there's a trade deal for your old PS4, yes, I'll do it because I know I will have a 4k tv a year from now...if I need to spend 400 euros AGAIN then no...I don't like VR and I would more gladly spend the money on it than buy a new not so much improvement PS4
@Chris0160 Are you being particularly obtuse and argumentative or can you really not read and comprehend?
I have given you examples of 2 games confirmed to be running at native 4k on the PS4 Pro - therefore it can legitimately call itself a 4k gaming console. I never stated that 6tflops wasn't enough to tun games at 4k, what I said is that it won't run ALL games at 4k. In the same way that 4.2 may be good enough for a 'few' games at 4k and therefore can be enough - meaning that you don't need a minimum 6tflops as you say to hit 4k - 6tflops is likely to increase the number of 4k games BUT its not enough to run EVERY game at 4k. Will you be equally critical when 3rd party games run at 1800p or as you put it 'nearly 4k'?
The size of the GPU is irrelevant to a degree as to whether or not a game will run smoothly enough in 4k - it really depends on the game itself that determines what size GPU will be needed to ensure a native 4k. The PS4 GPU could be enough for a 4k game if the game is more basic and you don't mind a poor/low frame rate. The way gaming has developed, its incredibly unlikely that the Scorpio can offer a native 4k in every game released on it - not even more powerful GPU's can run every game at 4k to the expected level so its inevitable the Scorpio will have games not running natively at 4k - as I stated I know its more likely to run 'some' games at 4k that the PS4p won't but like the Pro it won't run every game in 4k
The PS4 Pro is a 'halfway' console - halfway between the PS4 and the 'next' gen. It is 4k capable (as the last of us and ESO prove) and the ONLY console that offers UHD HDR gaming currently. Its not too powerful that its 'wasted' and makes the next gen seem less impressive when it arrives but powerful enough to significantly enhance the gaming experience. This is still tied to the PS4 generation after all - its NOT the next gen PS console. By the time the Scorpio releases, its a year into its life and that life will be dictated by the PS4 - what it can deliver, not what the Pro delivers. Any game or features that can't run on PS4 won't come to Pro - regardless of whether it can run it or not - hence its not 'more' powerful and built to a budget.
Oh my god, this comment section is like the 90s all over again. THE CONSOLE WARS RAGE ON!!!
Personal Viewpoint aside, the PS4 family will do very well this Christmas. 4K adoption isn't high enough to signal any significant investment in. Pro is a stopgap until the next gen, Slim is a replacement and As for VR, Can't tell if it's Move 2 in regards to adoption.
With regards to the 4K being upscaled, it's probably worth mentioning that Digital Foundry was very impressed with the rendering tricks Sony is employing. It's also probably worth keeping in mind that Scorpio will probably struggle with native 4K, too - although, as I've said a few times already, we know next to nothing about that system so far.
Since I do like following sales trends in the game industry I'm very interested to see how this holiday season will play out. I think MS could have an easy win in North America because the Xbox One S is the way you do an upgrade. That said, Japan isn't interested (doesn't really seem too interested in home consoles in general anymore) and Europe has been PlayStation land for a long time. It's very possible Sony takes the world wide race if it stays close in NA but I also wouldn't be surprised to see MS score some big wins over here with killer deals.
@BAMozzy
I lean towards slightly argumentative. I guess I have more research to do. I never once thought that Scorpio will run all at 4k, the only thing I have found so far on the rumored specs is it's a lot closer to running native 4k rather than the Ps4 Pro. Some/ most games will be upscaled to 4k is not, will never be the same as native. They will look and run 2x better on Pro than on Slim. I want what NMS developers dreamed of, a damn good game with no sacrifices due to hardware constraints. PS4 Pro will be a good console. Yet I have issues with Sony lying and using fancy words that do not contain the whole truth. TLOU, is most likely upscaled. ESO will most likely be in the same boat. I understood it's the halfway, and can only wonder when the PS5 will come out. Oh and anything that Pachter says usually the opposite happens.
@Chris0160 "TLOU, is most likely upscaled. ESO will most likely be in the same boat."
For the last time, these games are CONFIRMED to run at NATIVE 4k - not upscaled or use some fancy rendering technique to get close to 4k and then some minor upscaling but running natively in 4k. Its the first console that will offer NATIVE 4k gaming and these are both going to be 'available' (I believe) on day 1 - November 10th 2016 - a year before MS release its Scorpio.
I am not going to keep going on with this conversation as its clear you have no intention of listening or bothering to do your own research on this. I can actually provide links to prove that these games are going to run at native 4k - can you prove otherwise?
Sony got the price of ps4 pro very very right. I only have 1080p tv and don't plan to buy 4k tv for at least 2 more year and I think ps4 pro upgrade on 1080p tv is not that big of a deal. But I can't resist that $400 price point, if I sold my old 1T ps4 and a couple of games, I can buy the pro. Considering that I almost use my ps4 every day, getting the more powerfull ps4 make sense.
@Utena-mobile Thankfully, pushsquare is heavily moderated, I can't stand comment section on many others gaming website. It's really really annoying that all games discussion boil to ps4 vs xbox, or teeming with hater (in ps only website).
Good job pushsquare
@Gamer83 one s should do extremely well regardless of any other sales, bundles should ensure that, If I though was still on the edge I would probably wait for Scorpio.
@Gamer83 I'm curious what makes you think One S is the "right" way to do an upgrade? Not saying you're wrong, just want to hear your reasoning really. I assume you're referring to the Blu-ray drive, because that's literally the only advantage it has...
Or you prefer its aesthetics maybe?
@JaxonH That's very true, but keep also in mind that the Slim is just 500GB and the Pro is 1TB. The 1TB Slim hasn't been priced yet, but it'll probably be around $349. Meaning that the Pro is only $50 more expensive if you take HDD capacity in account as well. I don't know why you wouldn't go for the Pro at that point.
I don't own a 4k TV, so I'll be sticking with my normal ps4 unless it breaks. If the games I buy run like trash on my old console because they're designed to run better on the pro, my ps4 is going out the window, and that'll be my lot with Sony for a while. I'm a bit of a cynic, and I can't help but be disheartened at how money-grabbing Sony have become. A pro, vr, camera, move sticks and a 4ktv, at least 1500. No thank you.
So the Top Dog in the console war is pinning its hopes on the sales of 4K TVs.
Hahahahahahahahahahaha.............little Timmy Dadda are we getting 4KTV......not just yet you little scamp we just got a 50 inch HDTV last year ...and at a bargain price ........Dadda always wondered why they knocked 300 quid of the asking price.......as we now know 4K TV was around the corner.
What was it Bush said https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ux3DKxxFoM you get the picture
On the Bravia side Sony will sell lots of consoles the Originals PS4 will come down in price thank god for the originals eh Sony
Welcome back Overlord Barker
I think Sony have sown up the console landscape for the next year. That said, being the pessimistic soul that I am, it leaves MS the chance to dictate the console future. Scorpio is ill defined at the moment and all rumour. Is it a 1.5 incremental or the next gen? PS4 Pro is a 1.5 increment, no doubt about that. If MS come up with something special for the Scorpio they can call it next gen if they want. Also, I do think it confuses the PSVR message.
@Gamer83 @get2sammyb I too am curious as to why you think upgrading the 'media' side is the right way to go? The only advantage the XB1s has is the inclusion of a 4k HDR Bluray. As far as gaming and its performance is concerned, it can't match the base PS4 on the same games. If and when Sony updates the PS4 with HDR support, then apart from exclusive software and controller preference, what makes the XB1s a more attractive option for gamers?
The PS4 Pro is an 'upgrade' to the gaming side. It offers (up to) 4k HDR gaming. People with 4k HDR TV's and interested in gaming primarily get more 'benefit' from the PS4 Pro (I think) but I guess if watching movies is your priority, the XB1 Slim is a better option. Gaming though offers very little difference to the standard XB1. Its still going to play games like BF1 and TF2 at 720p, less than the base PS4 and 'great' on a 4k HDR TV! In my opinion, of any console needed a performance upgrade sooner rather than later, its the XB1.
This is just my opinion. I am NOT anti-MS as I own and a XB1 and game regularly on it too. I have a 4k HDR TV but can't justify spending £250-350 on upgrading to the XB1 purely for a 4k Bluray player that can't offer the full range of audio - like Dolby Atmos, DTS-x etc that a dedicated player can. Also with the Scorpio out next year, I see no point in sending money on something that will be replaced in a year and offers me the same gaming options and performance I have now.
These comments are so much fun
Also it wouldn't surprise me if Sony smash records this holiday season. Fire sale on the OG PS4, Slim & the Pro-> Kaz rolling in the money.
Now if only they released Vita/PSP 2.0...
Time will tell. Personally, I think the two slim machines will sell better than the PS4Pro this holiday.
@BAMozzy
Here is my research
http://venturebeat.com/2016/09/08/ps4-pro-isnt-4k-that-doesnt-matter/
So instead of trying to quadruple the resolution, Sony is going to double or maybe triple it, and then it’s going to let algorithms and the shortcomings of 20/20 vision do the rest. And I hope that Microsoft, Nintendo, and even Nvidia and AMD are paying attention as they look for ways to give gamers better visual fidelity in the future.
Here is another article that goes on to talk about the Pro and Scorpio
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-what-the-hell-is-a-teraflop-anyway
Also it explains why they have chosen to keep the same cpu
Sony has attempted to address this problem with Neo. It seems that AMD's next-gen 'Zen' CPU technology is not available for integration along with the GPU into a single processor yet, so the platform holder has done the next best thing - it is running the same eight-core cluster at a higher clock-speed: 2.1GHz on Neo vs 1.6GHz on PS4 - a 31.3 per cent boost to performance. We don't know exactly what CPU architecture Project Scorpio uses, but based on the balance of probabilities, there's a very good chance that Microsoft is using the same strategy of up-clocking the existing Jaguar cores, or a variation of them.
I think the PS4 PRO will do very well myself probably better then the PS4 Slim, because for the sake of a extra £100 which isn't a lot nowadays your getting a lot more for your money.
In other news water is wet and the Pope is Catholic.
@Fight_Teza_Fight if Microsoft offer the Xbox one S for free I wouldn't say no! That could help Microsoft even the battlefield.
@Chris0160 Ps4 pro is 4k machine, elder scrolls online and the last of us remaster will be native 4k on pro.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-09-08-elder-scrolls-online-on-ps4-pro-will-have-native-4k-from-day-one
Amazon US Best Sellers:
#1: PSN $20
#2: PSN $10
#3: PS4 Pro
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#32: XBox One S
This thing is going to sell just fine 4K Blue Ray reader or not.
I'm buying it then i'm saving up for a Scorpio. I read further up that the PS4s is for people that want to watch film's and the PS4pro is for game's. So the Slim is a DvD player cool.......pointlessssssssssss.
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