At the time, Sony’s unconventional E3 2018 press conference was dubbed a disaster due to a lack of surprises and an awkward intermission. On the strength of this year’s show so far, though, it would have honestly been refreshing. We’ve sat through close to six hours of media briefings over the past few days, and we haven’t seen real gameplay from more than a handful of releases – it’s been the story of the show.
In fact it’s no surprise that the strongest presentations so far this year – we’re talking Watch Dogs Legion and Final Fantasy VII Remake – were among the only projects to actually outline their gameplay loops in detail. There may be question marks over Ubisoft’s open worlder, but the French publisher put together a compelling pitch by demonstrating exactly how its “play as anyone” concept will operate; the same could be said of the aforementioned RPG’s battle system.
Microsoft’s briefing was perhaps the most bizarre in this department. Gears 5, a game which is due out in less than three months, opted for a Billie Eilish song and a daft animation rather than outlining its campaign; Halo: Infinite, the platform holder’s tentpole, led with a thoroughly underwhelming cinematic, intended to showcase the power of its new Project Scarlett hardware. In truth, it looked a generation behind The Last of Us: Part II running on a PS4 Pro.
But when Naughty Dog showed off its hotly anticipated sequel last year, it mixed a few minutes of story-telling with a huge chunk of gameplay, demonstrating the dynamism of its upcoming game. While it was almost certainly a choreographed vertical slice, it outlined exactly what we should generally expect from the final product: enhanced stealth, upgraded artificial intelligence, and more organic combat options than ever before.
And this didn’t just apply to Ellie’s sophomore adventure at E3 2018: Sony said that it would showcase its biggest titles, and it really did. Despite clearly being quite early, Sucker Punch’s samurai effort Ghost of Tsushima also got a full blowout, with a side-quest played through in its entirety. And a full mission from Marvel’s Spider-Man was put up on stage. In fact, only the imminent Death Stranding seemed shy, and unsurprisingly it got the worst reception of PlayStation’s supposed Fantastic Four at the time.
Compare what the Japanese giant did last year to what we’ve seen this weekend, and it’s night and day. Bethesda’s big new franchises, Ghostwire Tokyo and Deathloop, sure sound compelling – but we couldn’t tell you in a single sentence what either of them are. And despite being arguably the biggest game of the show, the Internet is pretty much clueless as to what you actually do in Marvel’s Avengers – perhaps that’ll be cleared up over the course of the day, but it’s not a good look for such a huge, upcoming release.
We’re not going to pretend that Sony’s the master of the E3 press conference, because between bizarre room changes and people playing didgeridoos it’s proven that it’s capable of a blunder or three, too. But go back and watch The Last of Us: Part II’s demo from last year, or Horizon: Zero Dawn’s unveiling from 2015, or God of War’s reveal from 2016. They all sell the story, but they don’t shy away from gameplay. It’s time for other publishers to start taking notes.
Have you been disappointed with E3 2019's general disregard for gameplay footage? Has last year's PlayStation presentation improved with hindsight? Show us the bloody game in the comments section below.
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Absolutely spot on. Some will claim it's "fanboy baiting" but the reaction to Watch Dogs Legion and FF VII show what actual game demos do.
What's strangest of all is that games that are just months away were not shown gameplay at all. Gears 5, Rainbow Six and God's and Monsters are all releasing inside 9 months yet weren't shown gameplay at the conferences.
It's ironic that when people cried fowl that "we haven't seen Death Stranding gameplay" we've now actually seen more then those games put together and one of those actually comes out before DS, so it's very baffling.
Although with Nintendo I do think its safe to say they will have gameplay in their games since they don't do cinema trailers much.
Other then that there wasn't much for me this year.
It’s just one of those E3s to be honest. The timing hasn’t worked out. Next year and the year after will be much better.
Nintendo will bring some goods.
Couldn't agree more. This has been the most disappointing E3 I've followed for this reason mainly.
All the press events were C+ at best. I had hopes for Ubi with the kickoff featuring Watch Dogs, but the permadeath from their show about a creative director killed the show. SE had a great Final Fantasy VII segment, but I could have done without every other Final Fantasy game and JRPG.
Really though, Microsoft is the biggest loser. They not only failed to deliver, they failed with zero competition. Utterly bizarre.
Sony and Nintendo were the only ones who actually cared about showing products in an exciting and ACCURATE way. Now Nintendo alone has to bring excitement to E3, and while they do a good job, more hype is always better. Miss you Sony
When Sony comes back next Year.
I remember when Sony s one more thing was live gameplay of Days Gone. A few people had doubts and not satisfied with such a conference ending . Well that was bloody live gameplay and didn't get enough credit .
Playstation always deliver in games, maybe their format is little weird last year but the gameplay is better than some of cg trailers in this e3 shows, even digital foundry question if tlou2 or ghost gameplay is recorded on ps5 or ps4 pro (it’s on ps4 pro).
i thought watch dogs looked a bit naff to be honest (good grief that dialogue and those accents.....), but then i got bored of the first game pretty quickly. all of ubi's open world games are built from a pretty generic template, too much cross-pollination between them, none of them for me have a unique identity anymore. FF VII looked impressive when using the real-time mode (or whatever it's called), it looked more like a traditional action game.
having a plethora of CGI game trailers that go by in a blur is utterly counterproductive. i don't think i can remember a single game from it.. which is pretty much sums up E3 in general for me. all 'noise' and no content. the sheer amount of articles that scroll by for 3-4 days, most games just get lost in the traffic.
@leucocyte Agreed with Watchdogs, i thought that the faces looked a bit dodgy too.
I don't think anyone expected the FF7 remake to be the game we'd have the clearest understanding of coming out of E3.
I'm trying to remember is E3 2012 was this disappointing I case it's the calm before the next gen storm. But at least then we had the watchdogs reveal and knew that HAD to be next gen. This year was just underwhelming for me.
Next year they should save all millions of dollars on CG trailers and just show logos. They'd be there for like 3 minutes. Why even rent the stage? They should all stay at home and just tweet their announcements.
@get2sammyb As I said elsewhere, the decision to cram in 60 games in 1 1/2hrs (as well as the other announcements and talky bits) doesn't allow much time for lengthy game-play looks at each and every one. Considering the 'biggest' criticism about MS is 'games' they managed to cram in 60 games - all of them playable on MS platform(s).
My preference though would have been to show 15-20 with a more in-depth look inc Game-play but for MS, where lack of games is the 'big complaint', they wanted to show as many as possible - more than EA, Bethesda, Ubisoft and Square Enix combined.
The lack of studios is another complaint but again, MS had another new studio to its expanding Rostra. Incidentally, the Halo bit at the end, even if it was projected visual quality we can expect, it's certainly not going to look as good as 4k if you are watching on a 'streamed' 1080p live show. As someone who does make video's (occasionally) for Youtube, you must be aware of all the compression and compression artefacts - The best thing to do is wait for DF to analyse it from the raw footage!
Getting back to Sony now, there 'big titles' that many are waiting for and have been waiting for years, are the most likely games that Sony are willing to show off at this stage - not likely to reveal much about Next Gen gaming release - and yet another 6-8min video clip of Death Stranding, Last of Us 2 and Ghost of Tsushima - along with CoD, Destiny, Fifa - maybe Shenmue 3, FF7 remake and any of the plethora of FF games at SE's show may keep you happy (especially Shenmue and FF7) but for others, expecting World Premiers may feel Deja Vu.
Its perspective though - I get it. MS answering criticism about lack of games and cramming 60 in (its still to soon realistically to have any 'meaningful' game from any of the multitude of Studio's that joined MS) whilst Sony, the one with 'all' the games, are showing none. I get that many of us wanted more than just a fleeting glimpse of a teaser trailer, time to actually see what's going on, time to process before being bombarded by the next fleeting glimpse and the next etc. I get it - I prefer Sony's approach - keep it to just a 'small' selection but give each some quality time to show what the game actually is, time to process before moving on.
Coupled with the lack of games in general from EA, Bethesda, Ubisoft and Square Enix, as a Playstation gamer (as I am too by the way), it really is a disappointing few days. Sony's decision to pull out is 'wise' because all they have to show is the same few games we have seen before coupled with the 3rd Party multi-platform release because everyone seems to be holding back. Very little (if anything) is expected beyond the next gen launches - Halo is a 'launch' title (as well as coming out on current gen hardware btw) but we have nothing that is 20months+ away - considering Sony have mentioned games as far off as 3-4yrs - not even the rest of the publishers was talking or showing next gen games - at least not the remastered for next gen versions.
As such, we really only have a slice of the games for the next 12-18months. The bulk of games shown that PS owners can play in the next 12/18mths was on MS's show and those only got a few mins at most before they were gone - some could well be fantastic - but because they went by so fast and in the style they were shown, instantly forgotten - making it seem that even fewer games are coming out, even fewer to look forward to as the clock ticks down to next gen launch day.
Its funny that when people are asked what they want from E3, the answer invariably is games, games, games and more games and yet if you show 60 games in the hour and half (that's 1min 30 per game - not including Hardware (console, elite controller) and xCloud) including all the chat by devs/actors etc about their game, you can see why so many flashed by with a CGi and/or cinematic camera view teaser trailer. If they gave 2mins per game, that would be over 2hrs long (with all the other chat too) - Point is, MS was always doomed to fail on a site like this. They would be criticised for taking a Sony approach - accused of copying and/or not showing enough games because they 'need' to show games, games, games. Even as a PS gamer, for me MS won - they had the most games that I want (excluding any exclusive timed or otherwise) at least 46 (maybe more with Minecraft and Psychonauts 2 or less with maybe some of the 3rd party indies exclusive to MS - they went by too fast to keep check of which were exclusive, which were timed and which are just world premiers) games I can play on a Playstation - many of which I never knew existed and may be much more interested with more time to go deeper into the game-play.
There have been much better E3's but also much worse. Sony certainly aren't going to be 'criticised' like they were last year because there was 'nothing' to criticise apart from not turning up. The one take-away from this is that ALL the publishers are caught in Limbo - can't talk about the big 'new' games yet but have to show 'something'
100% correct, the only games that have even stuck with me are Doom Eternal, Watchdogs 3 and Final Fantasy VII and what did all of them have in common? Gameplay
Couldn't tell you a thing about Gears 5 and Halo or even Cyberpunk apart from Keanu Reeves is in it. Microsoft had a huge open goal but instead took a dive in the box only for the ref to wave play on and don't get me started on EA
Agree with this. In hindsight, fewer games with more detail is a lot more fun to watch and get excited about.
Looks like I dodged a bullet this year. Game reveals are one thing, but there's only so much you can endure of game logos (that probably aren't finalized) and corporate boilerplate nonsense without actual gameplay to cleanse the palette.
@leucocyte "the sheer amount of articles that scroll by for 3-4 days, most games just get lost in the traffic".
That seems to be Sony's thinking too. It's all well and good getting heard, but why get drowned in the nose of E3 when they can have their own updates all to themselves. And many of the big games coming at the show are still ps4 games so they benefit from the free advertising without having to spend a fortune on being there. I expect there will be a State of Play soonish though.
I do wonder what activision think however, given they didnt have a platform for COD this year.
The highlight was the fake screaming at the Bethesda conference
@BAMozzy The problem is I genuinely don't think I could name 30 of the 60 games Microsoft showed. I'd say exactly the same if Sony had done it this way by the way.
There's no point in flaunting quantity if most of it is filler, but that's just my opinion.
I saw more Cyberpunk 2077 and found out that Keanu Reeves is playing as Johnny Silverhand. I am satisfied.
@JJ2 And it represented the final game, people can say what they like about the game's quality but at least what they showed came to retail.
Microsofts show went like this for me. Something something, The Outer Wilds 👍, something, something, CYBERPUNK 😁😁😁😁😁😁😁 Something something, WE BETTER GET PSYCHONAUTS STILL, something, oh its more forza....with lego...right-o? Yawn more Gears of War something, something, BUY GAMEPASS, BUY GAMEPASS, Something, something, Ray Tracing, New Tales Of game, heres a next gen deer, o and heres halo btw...see ya.
I dunno, i genuinely thought they would nail it this year, and while im glad they didnt, it felt a little flat. They have still had second best show after Square Enix, but it was all a little much.
Still, Cyberpunk 😁
@swagbag713
I was hoping to see more on Babylon’s Fall, which SE didn’t even mention. And no Nier follow up.
Gotta agree. I get it. The year before new gen and such but sheesh.
Tell me about it...I'm one of the guys that kept rolling my eyes at all the cg trailers!
We only got 2 full gameplay demos basically and god damn were they good demos. Watch Dogs is insane (I want to play the full game with grandma) and FF7 remake looks awesome!
But yeah the rest is videovideos, not videogames.
@Xaessya and thank goodness for that. Literally the only thing I've been interested in so far has been FFVII remake, Avengers, and Tales of Arise. Probably because these games weren't just CGI trailers.
Good to see we all agree Sony ruined e3.
Terrible E3. Sony won by simply not showing up and being transparent about whats in the pipeline. FF7 remake looks astounding. WD3 looks amazing as well. Outer Worlds also looks like a blast. Other than some smaller titles i follow personallh this was a total bust. MS might be done after next gen imo (at least in a traditional sense) because their show was awful. No Halo Gameplay, No new Forza this year (their most consistent quality franchise by a mile), no Gears5 gameplay and its a month away...Gears pop? Really. Making Ninja Theory a MP dev when their previous efforts backbone was single player and narratice driven? Double Fine was a sad annoucement as well....just super disappointing
@BridgeToClarity lol. Dont forget they are adding NPCs and Battle Royale to a still (in its current state) broken game. Should be fun fun
@get2sammyb I am the same too - I much prefer a deep dive into a game and if that means far fewer games being shown off - no problem. I have many times said that I think the publishers of the games should have their own slot, their own chance to show off their games. For Sony AND Microsoft, that also applies and they should NOT be showcasing games that are also coming to various other platforms at the same time.
The point I was trying to make though was that MS has been criticised heavily for its 'lack' of games - even if that means lack of 1st party games - the general opinion on the internet is that MS lacks games. With Sony not showing any, MS it seems, took the opportunity to show off as many games as they could feasibly squash in to their time slot - many of which were also world premiers. If MS had opted to show 4 or 5 of their exclusives for say 10mins (inc any chat), that's a big chunk of their allotted time and, the criticism of a 'lack of games' would crop up.
I am just trying to come at this from a different perspective to you and many other Sony only gamers. I can understand why you (and the others) would have liked more 'game-play footage and more time to take that in for all those cross-platform releases. I too would prefer deep dives as I said but I can understand why MS showed games, games, games and more games - probably more than EA, Bethesda, Square Enix and Ubisoft combined - because that is what MS are being criticised for. 14 from their own studio, that's probably more games than Sony showed last year alone.
I totally agree that I would be critical of Sony too had they been there and done the same but I was also trying to give you, a Sony gamer, a different perspective and one who games on both platforms. I can see E3 from the perspective of an Xbox gamer, from being a gamer in general and from a Sony perspective too.
For me, the highlight of the show was Cyberpunk and even the new 'Escape' mode that's coming to Gears (I know you don't like the franchise) looks like a LOT of co-op fun. I don't want 'too much' on the campaign - just enough but Escape is something 'New' to Gears and there is the opportunity to create your own 'maps' to try and escape as a co-operative group. Not everything appealed and not everything can I remember but I do think MS had to flaunt Quantity because that is one area that people seem to think the Xbox lacks - quantity of great games to play.
OK so some can also be enjoyed by gamers on other platforms, but for the Xbox gamer and anyone who hasn't yet bought into Xbox (even as just a 2nd/3rd console), having so many games - too many to remember, is not feeding that belief that owners of Xbox have 'nothing' to play. Combine that with their Game Pass subscription, you can buy a Console and just pay £12-15 (whatever it is) and get 48 games a year from Gold and ALL the Xbox Exclusives on Day 1 as well as hundreds of games without having to buy any game ever again - not bad for a '2nd/3rd' choice console - they make a digital only one too if that's all you want from Xbox.
Even though I do agree that I want far fewer games but much greater time given over to each, I can fully understand MS's approach this year - especially with Sony showing NO games. 60 vs 0...
Not bad for a console with 'no' games. All those premiers and games you can play on day 1 with just a small monthly fee. All I was doing was trying to put some perspective from a different angle. I have nothing against your viewpoint at all and fully respect your opinion, all I was doing was offering up a different perspective, one that's not bias to either. I certainly agree with you about having more quality time dedicated to each game as opposed to bombarding the viewer with game after game after game but can understand why MS perhaps chose this route - especially with Sony not showing any games and the rest too not having a lot they were prepared to show either.
I'm sure Nintendo will still have a great direct.
Nintendo's looking like an easy winner for me this year. No one else has had anything that interests me except Bethesda with Doom Eternal, but that wasn't a new reveal.
@Rob_230
..and then at the end its literally...'wait for E3!'
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FF7 Remake needed to have some gameplay shown it was so far behind with no information for over 2 years
Spot on article,& ditto @Rob_230 too...I distinctly recall Eurogamer last year led a few internet site clickbait articles "This is running on a ps5-NEXT GEN FAKE FOOTAGE", chorus despite the watermarks clearly saying otherwise...yet compare & contrast the muted reaction to cinematic trailers this year.
If this is the year of cinematic trailers, I think its also the year of 2020 releases! You'd almost think Rockstar had sent word around to the other publishers Tommy Vercetti style GTA 6 was dropping by Oct. & just haven't told the public!!
"There may be question marks over Ubisoft’s open worlder"
Most notably, other than trying to tie the game to some current buzzwords, what was that "post-Brexit" nonsense they were on about?
Drones causing problems for the public, bombings, gangs in hoodies and masks causing trouble, armed police and soldiers on the streets, riots, drugs, human trafficking. That's just modern London.
Couldn’t agree more. In particular with MS’ press conference, Gears 5 showing not a single moment of actual gameplay and releasing so soon is not only puzzling, but concerning. It’s a few months from release, so it would have to be complete or very close to it right? To not show anything at the biggest stage they will have before it’s release is just strange. It could be that they don’t have much confidence in it, but I hope that is not the case.
Perhaps even more disappointing was the Halo trailer. I wanted to see how the gameplay looked, and more details about it in general. I could understand last time it was shown at E3 that there would be no gameplay, but here we are at another E3 and still only CG??
@BAMozzy The thing is, although this is a Sony-centered site, the majority are nor Sony-only. Most people here dip into Nintendo as well, and a few do buy into Microsoft's consoles. Honestly I don't think MS would have been criticized in the slightest if they showed off more gameplay: in fact I'd probably be reading an article along the lines of "Reaction: MS took full advantage of Sony's absence at E3" had they shown extended gameplay each of Halo, Gears, and maybe 1 or 2 more 3rd-party games they could heavily affiliate with their console - like what Sony did with Destiny years ago.
There are people here who just rag on MS because "YEAH SONY WOOO!!!", but I don't feel like that is what's happening here. We've been long ragging on companies for showing no gameplay for their games, including Sony at times. Knowing a game is coming with a CG trailer is definitely hype, but ultimately we always do ask "Okay but how does it play?"
I want MS to step up. I'm extremely upset with their performance this generation because - although I don't own an Xbox - they're the ones competing with Sony. Without someone keeping them at least a little humble, they may repeat the mistakes they sometimes make when they feel secure as the leading platform for console gaming. It's also why I hope Google makes Stadia work out, though I don't have high hopes for it.
@Robocod ahhh id love that. Bring back Tommy!!
@Cloud7794 It depends on the message you are trying to send out to not only current owners of the brand but for any prospective purchasers - whether those new purchasers end up going the Subscription (Gold and Game Pass) or not, the message from MS was "You want games, We got them for you"
The message from the last couple of years to has been about the future, about making sure they are not going to be criticised for a lack of games with all the Studios that have joined Microsoft. Obviously its going to take time for those to first finish off the games they had in development and then concentrate on the games they are going to make for MS.
As I have said, its a different perspective - I freely admit I prefer the fewer games, more in depth look but, as MS has had to put up with all the criticism about a 'lack' of games, its understandable that they tried to pack in as many as was possible in a 1.5hr show. you can do the maths as well as I can, 60 games in an 1.5hrs only leaves 1min 30s per game average - the 'more' games they spend 'more' time on, the less time that leaves for others.
MS needed to show a LOT of games to assure people buying into the brand that there are a LOT of games coming, that's before the next gen arrives to - so there is a 'valid' reason for buying - especially the All Digital as a 2nd/3rd subscription 'box' and have access to hundreds off games for a monthly fee - never needing to buy another game.
Not everyone will be looking at this from a single viewpoint and, like I have said, I would prefer fewer with more quality time given to showing the games off a bit more - but others may be looking for reassurance that a LOT of games are coming up. MS also had more World Premiers too and look at all those games coming to Game Pass too.
I totally understand and prefer a different approach as I have said BUT I also totally understand why MS may of felt the need to bombard the audience with game after game after game. If you can't see that, that's fine but it seems obvious to me why they went this route and with Sony showing zero games this year, it makes sense to do this in the final year or so of this generation being at the top - not that I preferred this approach but I can totally understand why...
@Xaessya Having watched their stream now, I was surprised by how many "Not actual gameplay footage" messages there were. Fire Emblem Three Houses was just cinematics even though it comes out next month. There was Pokemon gameplay, but... well, that hasn't really changed much across dozens of games in about 25 years.
I think in a way, there's more of an onus on Nintendo to chicken out a bit since the Switch is basically a non-gaming tablet with controllers attached to it and they know that they need to kind of dodge around that when presenting stuff. They got caught out in the Wii era using gameplay footage that was actually running on a PC - complete with the free version of Fraps running in the corner. Not that they're alone in cheating in that way.
BotW2 is exciting, but again it was just a brief cinematic clip that gave pretty much nothing away other than that Link, Zelda and Hyrule are in it. They really need a heavy hitter like that to keep people on board now that the next gen seems imminent - and they're already in their next gen with the Switch.
What did you think of it?
@Matroska
It was kinda of a nice showcase of upcoming games rather then heavy hitters. (I'm pretty sure Zelda was suppose to be the big one but I wasn't that hyped for it)
The top ones would be Pokemon, Mario, Fire Emblem, and Zelda but they didn't show much on them.
All in all, to keep this short, I thought it was alright. Just felt like another Direct stream rather then part of a big event.
This is why the era of E3 is done. No need to force an announcement at some forced time when you are not ready. YouTube allows all these companies to release stuff when it fits their time line.
Man, what a blinkered view of the industry.
Sony are just as guilty as showing set pieces and CG. Infact they have been known to flat out lie in some reveals (remember Killzone?)
Luckily, Nintendo still remembers how to show gameplay and actually talk about it like it's the most interesting aspect of a game for gamers. Even when Sony is present.
@GrailUK CDPR "lied" with their original footage of TW3 and it was really controversial at the time, yet they're one of the most beloved devs around. It's not that kind of thing that's necessarily the issue.
It's that even Nintendo showed mainly cinematics of their games, even for FE which releases in about 40 days. At the last E3 and previous ones, Sony showed mainly gameplay, even for games that are out way after many of the games Nintendo only showed cinematics of earlier tonight. We have more gameplay of any one of FFVIIR, Death Stranding and TLOU2 than we do of a first-party Nintendo game that's out in just over a month. When they did show gameplay, it seemed to be of a game that's near identical to already released games, like Pokemon S&S and AC.
@BAMozzy I can easily understand why, all I'm saying is that was the wrong route to take. Now that the Nintendo Direct has passed, I can point to that as an example. I preferred the stuff Square Enix showed off, but Nintendo's presentation was easily the best this E3. A lot of games were shown, and a lot of gameplay.
@Rob_230 , you said it mate! Loved Vice City (& Vice city stories), soundtracks, & whole 80's vibe! Not saying S.A. was bad either-but Tommy wouldn't have put up with a guilt-shaming, do nothing older brother & sell-out buddies!😆 Ah, the good old days before shark cards, gold bars, core strengths & other mobile game mtx ridden mechanics!
Treehouse: "Am I a joke to you?"
@Robocod Amen! SA was decent and GTA 4 and 5 were both excellent in their own way. But man, Vice ws the highlight of the series by far. it was just perfect. I hope the rumours about a return for GTA6 are true.
I think there is something to be said about the smaller sandboxes of GTA3 and VC. I knew the maps inside out. I cant say the same for the more recent games. The scarface vibe of VC was so engaging too
Sony managed to create more hype by releasing small snippets of information prior to E3 than Microsoft managed to during their entire presentation, it was a poor effort considering Sony's absence.
@Matroska Lol, you are obviously not watching Treehouse (my favourite part of E3!) people sharing a couch, playing the games. It's perfect.
@leucocyte That's just how Ubisoft games are
If you played one Ubisoft games then you played them all
Same game but different setting, They're just a big waste of time
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