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Topic: Nintendo just released Switch Lite sales figures and what that means for a possible Vita succesor

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WillMerfi

Nintendo just revealed that they have sold 2 million Switch Lite units in its first 11 days, pretty much crushing the believe that the only reason Switch is successful is because you can also connect it to the TV in addition to its portability. Do you think those figures will have any impact on Sony ever reconsidering to make their own handheld in the future?

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FullbringIchigo

@WillMerfi probably not, Nintendo has such a hold on the handheld market that i feel it's almost impossible to break into

(and before anyone says anything mobile phones are a different market altogether, that's more about quick throw away games than actual full blown games)

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@WillMerfi Yeah, there's a big difference between Nintendo releasing a new version of a legacy console with a backlog of amazing games non-gamers have heard tons about and always wanted to try, and Sony taking a chance on releasing a brand new console in a market they've historically done average-to-good in.

Props to Nintendo for their success, but it's a story unique to them at the moment, I reckon.

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JohnnyShoulder

@WillMerfi The closest we are going to get is streaming PS games to mobile devices, which they have started to roll out on recently released devices.

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Ralizah

I understand there's this narrative in Sonyland that handhelds don't sell well because Sony made bad decisions with the Vita and it flopped, but Nintendo's handhelds have traditionally sold EXTREMELY well, and even the PSP was quite successful. There was no reason the Switch Lite was ever going to do poorly.

@RogerRoger Switch isn't a legacy console, though. It's less than three years old.

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Thrillho

The big selling point is the ability to play the main console games portably. I see one of the problems with most other handhelds is that there aren’t loads of exclusive games as they’re less profitable or they’re just bad ports from the main consoles.

I had a PSP and mostly used it to play old PSone games bought via my PS3.

I am intrigued by the Switch Lite but don’t think I’d use it enough to justify it.

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Ralizah

@Thrillho Er... the vast majority of games on dedicated handhelds before the Switch Lite (on the Nintendo side, at least) were exclusives. Probably 90% of the 3DS' library is exclusive to that platform.

There are some of those 'bad home console ports' on all handhelds, but they're never anywhere near the bulk of the library.

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BAMozzy

@WillMerfi I think the Lite is successful for the same reason I think the Switch has been successful. It had nothing to do with the fact it could connect to the TV but more that it can be plated portable. It was and still is the best handheld on the market and enabling people to play a lot of games from this and last generation on the go.

I used to get a lot of criticism for saying its 'hand held' option was what made it successful and its much more a portable device that can be plugged into a TV than a Console that can be taken out anywhere. People argued with me saying its a Console first and foremost and the portability is more a bonus feature. The Lite also makes this point too and its sales seem to prove that its handheld functionality is its biggest selling point.

So many reviews of the games ported to Switch that seemingly are too much for the hardware show that when played on the small screen, these games play and look best - mostly because the visual cut backs are much more difficult to see on a small and lower res screen. They play best too it seems as if the focus is more on frame rate and better optimised for hand held mode but the docked tries to look better for big screens but drops more frames. Its as if they know people will buy these for mobile gaming and probably have the games on better hardware for bigger, higher res screens (PS, XB and/or PC) for home gaming.

Whatever reason people buy Switch or Switch Lite, as long as they have fun and enjoy it. Its not for me because I don't game on the go and can't justify the cost for the few games I perhaps would play and can't keep up with the games I have either.

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Ralizah

@BAMozzy I mostly agree insofar as the hardware has succeeded on Nintendo's strength as a manufacturer of portable gaming consoles, and that this aspect of the device was used to prop up and save Nintendo's presence in the home console market, given that sales of the Wii U were so low that they had practically dropped out of the market altogether.

With that said, what keeps it a hybrid in my mind (the base hardware, anyway) is that there are still a number of games on the system such as Xenoblade Chronicles 2 and Super Mario Odyssey that are primarily designed to be experienced on the big screen. You don't generally get that with handhelds that have TV-out.

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RogerRoger

Ralizah wrote:

@RogerRoger Switch isn't a legacy console, though. It's less than three years old.

@Ralizah Poor wording on my part; it might not be a "legacy console" but it's a console with a legacy.

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WillMerfi

@FullbringIchigo I agree. The argument that mobile phones have replaced handhelds is completely bankrupt. The audience for mobile gaming is in no shape or form the same audience that would buy a handheld. I thinkl the Switch Lite initial sales have just proved that. That's why I have always seen this argument from Sony as a cop-out to avoid acknowledging that it was them who screwed-up the Vita potential success, not a change in market priorities.

WillMerfi

Genrou

It means nothing. I am pretty sure Sony is done with the handheld market.

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Ralizah

@WillMerfi So... I think, like with the Wii, the NDS attracted people who might not have necessarily purchased other gaming devices in the past with its explosive popularity and focus on often simple, touch-based controls. I think that section of the market was snatched up by mobile. But, as you point out, there's a core market for handheld devices that isn't satisfied with mobile and will continue to make devices like the 3DS, Switch, and Switch Lite a success. The PSP was a success too, and Sony could absolutely have done well with the Vita had they played their cards differently.

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ZeD

i don't think we will see a successor but I have a feeling that the PS5 will have a big focus on remote play, creating a seamless experience like moving the switch from dock to handheld.

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WillMerfi

@Ralizah I agree 100%. It is just a shame that Sony will abandon the market altogether, when I still feel that with the Vita they had the most amazing piece of hardware handheld gaming has ever seen. Even if they offer mobile remote play for current/next gen, I refuse to use touchscreen controls on my phone. Gross.

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JohnnyShoulder

@WillMerfi You can use your DS4 with some phones and tablets after the latest major update.

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WillMerfi

@JohnnyShoulder Now you are talking about two devices, a phone and a controller. I am not really interested in that as, sure you can do it a home, but who's going to do that out in public?

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Ralizah

I have access to high speed internet at home, and even my experiences with streaming haven't been great. It's not a solution to the lack of portability afforded by home consoles.

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WillMerfi

@Ralizah Great point. If anything, the beauty of the NSL is that instead of relying on streaming, you just have the same games available in your home console natively on your handheld, no lag or other streaming issues. Ironically, this is what Sony advertised prior to Vita's release: true console gaming on the go.

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JohnnyShoulder

@WillMerfi Well yeah this is for at home for say when the main tv is being used. You have to be on the same wi-fi network for remote play I believe so would not work for out of the home.

That was my answer to you not liking touch controls for remote play. A successor to the Vita is very unlikely to happen, this is the best we can get at the moment for ps4 users. You can either can get on board with it if you are craving a portable PS experience or you can continue to be dismissive of what currently is on offer. Who knows what they will figure out in the future, we may very well be able to play our games on our mobile devices.

Streaming has worked fine for me and I'm on the middle tier for internet speeds. I mean I wouldn't reccomended it for playing an online shooter, but why would you if you are after playing on a portable device?

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