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RogerRoger

There are very few game franchises which deserve their own general discussion topic, but I reckon Mass Effect has got to be one of them.

Currently, the future of Mass Effect is an uncertain one. I thought it'd be useful to have someplace where fans can theorise about remasters, swap playthrough details and share stories about the past (and hopefully soon, the future) of the franchise, without accidentally derailing other discussion topics.

"I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favourite topic on Push Square."

Please Note: Whilst I always highly encourage spoiler-tagging for major plot twists or revelations, please proceed with caution if you're yet to play Mass Effect.

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RogerRoger

@Tjuz So, continuing on from elsewhere...

Tjuz wrote:

Fair points regarding the inclusion of gay characters in media. I can't really recall any that have ever truly stood out to me. I'm gay myself, but the exclusion of gay romances in Mass Effect is never something that really bothered me or I seriously took into account while choosing my romances. I was perfectly fine romancing Ashley and Liara over the course of both of my playthroughs, but I can see how you and many would prefer a more accurate to real life relationship for optimal immersion. I actually had no idea Bioware initially intended to have Kaidan be bisexual for the entirety of the trilogy. That certainly makes a lot of sense now that you mention it. The backlash between some of Mass Effect 1's more controversial elements, so to speak, has always been been simultaneously fascinating and disturbing to me. It's a real shame that that resulted in Bioware chickening out of their further romance plans for the trilogy. I'm glad you did end up enjoying the Kaidan romance. Hopefully I will be able to get to ME3 on my third playthrough at some point and see how his character eventually turns out to be!

Yeah, I'm kinda used to the option not being there, or I play a lot of games with fixed storylines and characters (like Uncharted, Batman, Tomb Raider, etc.) and have zero problem relating to, or enjoying, the romances presented in them. Mass Effect was the first time where I played a game which gave me choice and control over the romance element, and a variety of different options, so it made the lack of male/male pairings more obvious. I wouldn't have had a problem pursuing Liara, for example, but it would've made Shepard a character on the same level as Nathan Drake, Batman and Lara Croft; somebody I'm watching go on an adventure.

That being said, if I were truly an accurate representation of myself in-game, my Shepards would've spent all of their downtime sitting alone in the starboard observation lounge of the Normandy, reading a book. Or watching the fish in my cabin's fish tank. But games have always had that promise of "escapist wish fulfilment" and so giving options to some people, but not everybody, felt kinda unfair. I'm pleased with how they finally addressed it.

Of course, then they went and screwed everything up with Andromeda, but hey.

Tjuz wrote:

Also, considering you mentioned you're from a family with a military background, I'm interested to hear your thoughts on Ashley's character in the first game. Obviously, a lot of people dislike her for some of her more... unfortunate remarks, but Bioware clearly tried to justify those with the military background of herself and her family. You were able to forgive Jacob's character for some of his faults, so where do you stand on Ashley's character and the route Bioware opted to take to justify her behaviour?

The friend who got me into Mass Effect (my only gamer friend... kinda my only friend, actually) warned me that there'd be a choice to make between Kaidan and Ashley, and that if I wanted to romance Kaidan in future I shouldn't get too attached to Ashley, so I unfortunately kept my distance from her because I didn't want to end up liking her and feeling awful about letting her die. But I've watched a few other playthroughs on YouTube and obviously encountered some of her dialogue, and felt that she was a pretty realistic interpretation of a soldier in those circumstances. I've met dozens of folks who would share her views; I can at least understand where she's coming from, even if I find what she says personally offensive.

People often tend to forget that the trick in fiction isn't to make a bunch of likeable characters; it's to make a bunch of characters who don't feel like fiction. I enjoy the adventures of Nathan Drake, to use a previous example, but personally I think he's a jerk, but he's a consistent and convincing jerk. Ashley was kinda in the same ballpark for me, in what little I did see of her, but I think a lot of the negative reaction she gets is from people who expect to be able to understand and / or adore every single member of their allies on the Normandy crew. I respect her, even if I disagree with her.

Is that your interpretation of her character as well? I hope I've understood what you meant!

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Tjuz

@RogerRoger Sorry for the late reply. It's been a busy weekend and I wanted to reply to this properly!

Fair enough. I think the freedom in the dialogue and the main plot choices were enough to immerse me into this world beyond Shepard simply being my avatar, so the lack of a gay romance didn't really wall off my experience in that regard. I could see how that's frustrating to others, since like you said, Mass Effect is supposed to star you and not Shepard. I can relate to just wanting to chill in the starboard observation lounge! Getting a dynamic view from your room in Andromeda was oddly one of the things I was most excited for in that game, and also one of the few that delivered.

"(my only gamer friend... kinda my only friend, actually)"? Somehow I can't escape the feeling that you're simply an older version of me, haha! Fair enough regarding Ashley. I do think it somewhat sucks that your gamer friend spoiled the experience of the Virmire choice for you (whether it be at your request or not!) I could definitely see the reasons for Ashley's remarks as well, so I'm often dumbfounded when some people like to dumb her down to a simple racist, even though I would also agree that what she does say at times is definitely offensive.

Great point regarding characters in fiction too. I think that's definitely where some of the negativity towards her stems from. I find that characters in fiction are always at their best when they either are in possession of a realistic personality (with all the faults that come with it), or are just straight up fun. I'm not into the idea that characters in fiction should all be goodie two shoes except for the antagonist and their minions, and I'll generally enjoy flawed characters more so than the ones who are, even if they are truly awful in their personality in some ways. I think someone in Mass Effect like Liara falls into that camp. I like her, because how could you not? She's the nicest alien in the universe it seems. Would I say she's a better character than pretty much anyone else on the Normandy? I don't think so. Would I prefer to hang out with pretty much anyone else? Yeah. I think that's probably what drew me to Ashley over Liara in my first playthrough, and also what made me want to save Ashley more so than Kaidan in my consequent playthroughs.

All that said, I'm still annoyed the game never gave me the option to romance Wrex! The only romance anyone should want.

Tjuz

RogerRoger

@Tjuz That's okay; life is life.

I think it was particularly jarring for me because I hadn't played an RPG before, nor a game where character customisation and choice were so important. Mass Effect was my first example of the genre, and my friend had spoken about it in such gushing terms (especially since she's gay, so was able to romance Liara throughout the entire trilogy and was therefore pretty well-catered-for in that regard). I was expecting this huge big thing, and so I noticed what was missing more, if that makes sense? Not that I usually play games like that; I focus on what's there, and try to enjoy the experience regardless, but it was almost like the front cover was listing total choice and freedom like a major feature, and then the small print said "just not for you".

But hey, Kaidan works retroactively and I remain so very connected to that trilogy and that world and those characters, so they obviously did something right.

It was the only spoiler she gave me, and it was at my request because I was specifically asking about romance options; to be fair, I'd probably have saved Kaidan anyway, even if I had gotten to know Ashley more. As much as I do understand her character, I personally feel that Kaidan's just a nicer guy (even though my analytical emergency response training would just tell me to flip a coin because it's a 50/50 numbers game) and Ashley seems like more of a soldier-soldier than Kaidan, meaning she understands sacrifice in the line of duty. Rest assured, I had no other spoilers beyond that point, and am usually allergic to them. I'm glad, because some moments from the trilogy will stay with me forever and had a real impact.

You're absolutely right about Liara. I love her, she's awesome, and I couldn't imagine the Normandy without her... but man, is she boring at times! I loved it when she became the Shadow Broker, because that added a little mystery and intrigue to her, and gave her the opportunity to branch out from her two default reactions to situations (either "Gasp! Oh noes!" or "Look, Prothean tech! Squee!!") but I still left her on the ship almost all of the time. Who would be your default squadmates in each game, by the way? I think I can guess at one!

I do think that there's a place for genuinely-good characters, but as part of a larger narrative (again, like Liara; cool that she's there, but she's such a small part of a bigger story) and you're right, it's good to see some of the realism that comes with that. Taking a clean-cut, no-flaws individual and placing them in a difficult situation can be awesome to watch and / or play because of how they react to things and sometimes have to compromise themselves in order to win. That's how I attempted to play my two male Shepards, which is why they ended up sometimes going a tad Renegade, because it's impossible to stay pure forever (and why second time around, Jason was a much more accurate representation of myself in the game, because I knew some of what was coming and could imprint more into the choices).

The sheer mechanics of romancing a Krogan are mind-boggling, but fair enough! I shared some of the disappointment that Drack wasn't a romance option in Andromeda. Would've been, er... interesting!

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Tjuz

@RogerRoger Fair enough. Personally, I didn't come into Mass Effect with any expectations as I was completely unaware of the franchise outside of the basic story outline. It was a real gamble, which ended up paying off. I'm sure that might've softened the blow for me, as you were expecting something very specific which didn't end up being there. I don't think there's any universe in which I would've saved Kaidan over Ashley. In fact, that was probably the easiest "major decision" I had to make in the franchise. I picked without thinking and didn't regret it for a second, to the point where I somewhat laughed off how easy that supposedly big choice was for me afterwards.

Liara definitely improved when she became the Shadow Broker, and while that DLC was great, I couldn't help but feel it was incredibly forced. I feel like the writers realised they had nowhere to go with this character and chose one of the most outlandish storylines to write her out of the corner they had written her into in the first place. It panned out very well, but I've always felt there could've been more organic ways in which to make her character more interesting. I don't really think I had a default squadmate, since I tried to keep them all in the rotation. I'm pretty sure Ashley was the most used for ME1, but I'm not sure about ME2 or ME3. As much as I love Wrex, I don't think I significantly used him more than anyone else when it comes to my squads. What about you?

I definitely agree with your stance regarding "good" characters. I can enjoy them on a level beyond superficially if, like you suggested, you see them develop into occasionally more morally grey characters as well. I'm not sure how the... more romantic scenes in the games would've played out between a human and a krogan, but Wrex sure would be a great hubby.

Tjuz

RogerRoger

@Tjuz If I had the choice, I think I'd have preferred your route to discovering Mass Effect, but I fear my initial playthrough would've been a mess as a result and I'd still have gone back through a second time with my personalised Jason Shepard to really connect... and speaking of connecting with the game, man, you really didn't connect with Kaidan, did you?! Despite me not really getting to know Ashley and knowing why I was saving Kaidan, I still found it quite an effective and emotional sequence. Funny how similar folk can approach the same situation from two totally different angles; this is why I love gaming, no other form of entertainment produces such diversity of opinion.

Having said that, point taken regarding Liara. You're right, and even without that particular DLC from ME2 she does just kinda integrate back into being aboard the Normandy again in ME3, almost like she never left. It adds a layer, but doesn't really change her in any way (and maybe that speaks to her purity of character, which is valid, but perhaps why we find her kinda boring).

As a creature of habit, I'm ashamed to admit that I had favourite squadmates; I know this probably means I haven't heard a good deal of unique elevator banter or mission reaction dialogue, but whenever I was prepping for a mission I just couldn't bring myself to select anybody else, unless I knew there'd be a specific purpose for doing so (like taking Liara to Noveria because you're going to meet and fight her mother and it therefore seems only fair). So basically, in ME1 it was Kaidan and Garrus whenever possible, in ME2 it was Garrus and Mordin (until Legion is unlocked late in the story, and then it was Garrus and Legion) and in ME3 it was back to Kaidan and Garrus again. Sometimes I'd drop in folks I liked chatting to, like Kasumi or James, but it was very rare indeed and usually just for wandering around, not for missions.

I'm sure there'd have been a tasteful fade to black before anything too intimate was shown but yeah, I agree that there were some missed opportunities for decent romances across all three games, and Wrex could've made for quite a complex one, considering you can just straight-up kill him in ME1 if you disagree on a specific decision. I can't see how anybody could do that, though, unless they were deliberately going for Renegade all the time! I love Grunt, though. He's such an adorable idiot, especially in the Citadel DLC.

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Tjuz

@RogerRoger Yeah, Kaidan just did absolutely nothing for me. I don't know what it was. I didn't dislike him, I just couldn't care for him. He was such a bland character to me, and his voice actor was not charismatic in the slightest. It doesn't help that they gave him the most touchy feely backstory either, and no real personality to speak of to accompany it. Besides, I never feel like they gave me an opportunity to connect with the person Kaidan is vs. what his backstory is. There was too big of an emphasis on that, and not enough on natural character development. All of the above I feel like Ashley was handled much better with, so the obvious choice was and always will remain saving Ashley to me.

I was so disappointed when I took Liara to see Benezia, but there was no real change in the mission to speak of. I had anticipated some epic confrontation scene, and instead we got.... "HAVE YOU EVER FACED AN ASARI COMMANDO UNIT BEFORE? FEW HUMANS HAVE." Constantly taking Mordin in ME2 must've made that moment in ME3 even harder for you. "I Am The Very Model of a Scientist Salarian" is still a top tier Mass Effect moment, and if I hadn't been rotating squadmates, I sure would've had Mordin as one of my main ones after that. I've never actually met Kasumi. I picked up her DLC for my third playthrough, but haven't gotten around to ME2 yet. If she's anything like Zaeed though, I haven't missed much. Definitely not when it comes to the Normandy banter, since Zaeed had none of that. Not even proper conversations!

I think the even more tragic optional outcome with a Wrex romance would be having to kill him in the Citadel after he finds out about you sabotaging the cure for the Genophage. I would be absolutely devastated if that happened, even more so as I'm sure Bioware would've made it an even more emotional sequence if you romanced him. The Virmire/Wrex decision is not one I went renegade on, even in my renegade playthrough. I pretty much just left my crew alone in my renegade playthrough, as I couldn't imagine being a prick to any of them.

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Tjuz

RogerRoger

@Tjuz That's fair enough; not everybody has to immediately adore everyone. And I can totally see where you're coming from. I can admit that my connection to Kaidan probably comes from a lot of what I brought to the experience. I found it telling that Kaidan only slowly opens up about his difficult past, and that you're left having to ask Dr. Chakwas (love her) about his pain and background for the first half of the game (and also, that he's the only one Shepard can ask Chakwas about repeatedly). It's different because I'm anonymous words on a page around here, but in reality I'm a very quiet, very private, "everything's fine even when it's not" kinda guy and so I instantly related to that and filled in a lot of the blanks for myself. Also, funny you should mention his voice actor, because I immediately recognised him from Star Trek: Voyager (my favourite television show of all time) and, since I'm a huge Trekkie, that gave him an admittedly-superficial boost!

Oh, the Benezia confrontation could've been so much more, I agree, but I still found it worth it for what little extra there is (although I still laughed at your quote!). Mordin is adorable. Along with Garrus, he is probably the truest friendship my Shepards always seemed to cultivate. He's complicated because of the tough decisions he's had to make, but he's a genuinely good person at his core. It was a tough moment in ME3, for sure, but I kinda expected it and so was braced. I can't believe there are people who shoot him right before his self-sacrifice, the cold-hearted... ahem, anyway! Each to their own!

Kasumi is easier to like than Zaeed. You're right, because she's a DLC character her banter on the Normandy is incredibly limited; there's no conversations, just one-liners as you walk past, but she's a great character and her DLC Loyalty Mission is perhaps my second-favourite Mass Effect level ever, right behind ME3's Citadel DLC story mission. It's spectacular, funny and emotional. I highly, highly recommend it.

Same; when I was playing as Kathryn Shepard and deliberately going Renegade, I barely spoke to anybody and stopped well short of killing any of her crew. It can get real tough. Speaking of, I forget, have you finished Andromeda, or did you say you'd gotten halfway and just not had the passion to keep going? I only mention because we're covering a lot of the big, important decisions from the trilogy and Andromeda's attempts to provide similar moments always fell flat for me. I guess because they're more recent, they're clouding my memories of just how great and powerful a lot of the trilogy's decisions really were sometimes.

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Tjuz

@RogerRoger Ah! I'm glad you mentioned Dr. Chakwas. I adore her too. Her brandy moment in ME3(?) - I can't remember whether it was 2 or 3 - is legitimately one of the sweetest crew interactions in the entire trilogy. If only the rest of the crew had gotten such a treatment, and even then I still felt the interaction with Chakwas was lacking in it's amount of opportunities. People like Gardner, Kelly, Gabby and all the other crew mates throughout the trilogy on the Normandy were truly wasted. I'm just glad they still gave us the option to have Chakwas on board for ME3 instead of forcing that random new character on us! Maybe the crew interaction in ME3 was catered towards her? Is that why Chakwas got the short end of the stick, again? I don't know, I've never let her on board. On the other hand, Diana Allers is someone who got far too much attention!

Makes sense why you enjoyed Kaidan's character more so than me. I didn't know Kaidan was a "proper" actor outside of voice acting. That's a nice nod of Bioware to have a Star Trek actor in there. I believe he was also in the Knights of the Old Republic game(s), but not very well received there. I was surprised to find out Miranda (Yvonne Strahovski) had a "proper" acting career too! She was even Emmy nominated this year for The Handmaid's Tale. Mediocre show, but she's great in it. Not at all like Miranda either!

I have heard great things about Kasumi's loyalty mission. I'll definitely have to get to that at some point. Not much space in my current gaming selection though, considering I've already managed to forego my 3-games-at-a-time rule to the point where I've now started 9 since trying to get back into gaming... and finished 2. Also part of the reason why I haven't continued Andromeda yet! I was done with that after having gotten about a third into it, until you pointed me towards the fact that the krogan make an appearance! Not sure if I'll be able to make time for that any time soon though, especially since I now have RDR2 on my hands too.

P.S. Are we the only Mass Effect nerds on this forum or are people just too afraid to chime in? If it's the former, how were you able to survive this long on a gaming discussion forum without me?! Haha.

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Tjuz

RogerRoger

@Tjuz Oh, I've mentioned Mass Effect many a time before! I think we're just in that common franchise lull that often happens after a mediocre release, and there's been very little news, so Shepard and / or Ryder aren't at the forefronts of people's minds. Rest assured, there'll be many reading all of this, even if they're not commenting. I lurked for a while before being brave enough to join!

And I'm sure that, if EA grant our Christmas wishes and announce a remastered trilogy, this place will become quite busy indeed. C'mon, EA! Please!!

Chakwas is amazing. I think the brandy moment (from ME2, and then again in ME3 if you did it before) is when many people fell for her but, again, she's voiced by a Star Trek actor and so I loved her already (I'll come back to that in a moment). But you're absolutely right, from what I see online, so many people didn't even realise they had a choice to not take Chakwas with them in ME3, because they remembered the brandy bonding scene and just didn't wanna consider anybody else. Apparently, the other doctor has a few more lines of dialogue to establish her a little better, and will give you extra background information on your Cerberus implants, and if Chakwas stays behind she becomes a War Asset... but who cares? There's only one choice for the Normandy's CMO. Chakwas every time.

A lot of the other crew members I didn't even bother speaking to all that regularly. People in engineering, for example, I couldn't tell you a thing about, except that I once fetched one of them a part from the Citadel when we docked (not counting Tali in ME1, of course). Sorry to hear that you think they were wasted opportunities if you did indeed engage with them on a regular basis. I always checked in with the main stars / potential squad mates and by the time I'd done that, I was all talked out.

But yeah, there are quite a few Star Trek actors in Mass Effect (and quite a few Star Trek references, too; my favourite is the famous bar scene from ME2 where Shepard identifies a drink as "green", which is taken directly from The Original Series and TNG). Aside from Kaidan, who we've already covered, Benezia is played by Marina Sirtis, a.k.a. Counsellor Deanna Troi, and the belligerent Krogan from ME2, Gatatog Uvenk, is voiced by Michael Dorn, a.k.a. Lt. Worf (this one's much-loved, as there are tons of parallels between the Krogan and Klingon cultures). There's also Armin Shimerman (Fai Dan in ME1 / Quark from DS9) and Dwight Schultz (Navigator Pressly and Dr. Zev Cohen in ME1 / Lt. Barclay from TNG and Voyager). Shohreh Aghdashloo, who plays Admiral Shala'Raan vas Tonbay, is also a favourite of mine; I adore her whenever I see her, and she later popped up in Star Trek Beyond, years after being in ME2 and ME3. There are also a handful of other voices I recognised from guest spots in one or two episodes.

Yvonne Strahovski is a great actor and whenever I see her name pop up, I always think of Miranda before anything else! I also watched a lot of The West Wing when I was at university, so The Illusive Man will forever be President Jed Bartlett to me. It's an unquestionably-strong voice cast, one of the greatest ever assembled, and I love the little in-jokes or references in some of the casting.

Nine?! Blimey, no, okay, don't worry about Andromeda! You've got far more important things to be getting on with and / or getting finished, from the sounds of things! I was just curious if you'd jumped back into it; I don't know about you, but this ongoing conversation about Mass Effect just makes me wanna start playing from the beginning again. But yes, I remember now, we covered it between quizzes. I'll be interested to hear your take on the Krogan's storyline in Andromeda, since you're our resident Krogan, but I'm not going anywhere. Here's hoping Red Dead 2 lives up to the hype for you! Loved your screencap the other day. Enjoy!

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Thrillho

@Tjuz I love the games but my attention span means I can’t keep up with your posts

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Jaz007

I interacte with everyone regularity. Everyone expect for Jack. I didn’t like her and got fed up with her talking enough so I stopped going. She died later.
I’m still on the 3rd one, but there was a scene/mission that seriously dissapointed me in terms of choices m/consequences and felt like a “screw you if you didn’t choose how we thought you would.” When you killed the Rachni queen, and then the Reapers just make another one so they didn’t have to make another mission to reintroduce Grunt, I felt really gipped and that my decision in the first game didn’t have actual consequences.

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RogerRoger

@Jaz007 Wow, is that really what happens? I've never killed the Rachni Queen... well, okay, my renegade Kathryn Shepard did, but I've yet to play ME3 with her.

That sounds really cheap. I'd definitely agree with your disappointment.

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ApostateMage

That's why i was so disappointed in ME3 so much. It wasn't because of the bad ending but the fact that most choices made throughout the saga came to very cheap consequences. The thing that really bugged me, though, was the fact that Shepard had way too much auto dialogue and she was saying things that I never would have chosen. It felt like she wasn't my Keeley Shepard anymore. Also, Cerberus enemy waves.

Seriously, I think it's the worst game of the series and actually enjoyed Andromeda a lot more. Samantha Traynor was pretty cool, though.

ME1 is my fave.

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DerMeister

Dunno how I missed this topic.

I bought the trilogy on PS3 last year and so far have finished 1 and 2. I was working on 3, but put it on hold until I clear more games from the backlog. Still in the early stages, though. So far, I enjoy the series, though I personally rated the games lower than most would (I gave ME2 an 8 instead of 9). Some things in the series kinda miss, but at the same time, there's not much else like it.

I'll probably post more here once I resume ME3.

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mookysam

@RogerRoger Dr. Chakwas is pretty awesome. She felt an integral part of the crew and added a lot to the dynamics of the Normandy, especially with her own story giving her quite a bit of depth.

Your talk of the voice actors reminded me how much I enjoyed Marina Sirtis' performance as Benezia. Even though the character was deranged... I liked her. I haven't personally played Dragon Age yet (it's in my backlog), but I do like Kate Mulgrew's work in that.

Veering a bit off-topic, but Shohreh Aghdashloo is one of my favourite actresses, so I was quite excited to see that she would be in Mass Effect. I thought she was particularly great in 24 as the wonderful Dina Araz. Have you seen The Handmaid's Tale? Yvonne Strahovski is spectacular in it, although the show itself is rather unrelentingly grim.

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RogerRoger

@ApostateMage I've heard some of those criticisms before, but I guess because I played Paragon (with small streaks of Renegade) I ended up making the most obvious choices, so never really noticed the cut corners so much. I did notice that there was a lot of auto-dialogue, though.

@DerMeister Would be interested to hear your thoughts on ME3, especially since you rate ME2 lower than most, like I do (I think it's my least favourite of the franchise). Hope you enjoy!

@mookysam I know, right? I never thought I'd be checking in on sickbay as much as I did; hate hospitals and in almost all other science fiction franchises, the doctors have been the least-interesting characters for me, but Chakwas broke the mould. Can't imagine leaving her behind.

Kate Mulgrew is the sole reason I might (might) someday play Dragon Age, even though my best friend, who loves the series, has basically shown me all of her appearances via YouTube links. Sometimes I find it quite tough to separate voice actor from character, especially if they're well-known for something I love watching (case in point, Kiefer Sutherland's turn as Bauer Snake in MGSV) but I did okay with Benezia. Dwight Schultz is also excellent at disguising his voice; he's in way more stuff than I'd ever realised, stuff I'd played and never even noticed him.

24 was where I first saw Shohreh Aghdashloo. If I'm ever on the fence about a show and then find out she's in it, I'll invariably start watching it, and if I ever have the power to cast anything, ever, she'd be one of my first phone calls. Speaking of 24, whilst I haven't seen The Handmaid's Tale (we studied the book at A-Level and so there's no way in heck I'm watching a live-action version, I know how grim it is) I realised yesterday that I have seen Yvonne Strahovski in 24: Live Another Day, in which she was pretty great. If the connection isn't Star Trek, it's usually 24... or both!

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Tjuz

@RogerRoger I would kill for a Mass Effect trilogy remaster. That said, I'm not quite sure if it'd add anything to the experience. It sure would be a great excuse to play the trilogy once again, though! And hey, they might as well just make you take Chakwas in ME3, because you're right — who wouldn't?

I was very thorough when it came to the interacting with crewmates. When I did, I talked to every single person on the ship. More in the fear that I could miss something than wanting to talk to the engineering people to be fair. I also interacted with the crew way too often. Any time I'd return from the Citadel or to the Normandy I'd talk to them, even if I hadn't really done anything. I also made sure to return to the Citadel after every main mission/every few side quests to see if something new showed up. Best thing is, I always enjoyed it, even if there didn't end up being anything new in the Citadel or the conversations.

Shohreh Aghdashloo is great. I personally know her from The Expanse. She's absolutely my favourite character in that show. She does snarky serious so well. Absolutely watch The Expanse if you haven't already. Considering your love of Mass Effect, Star Trek and Shohreh Aghdashloo, it's the perfect recommendation!

I'm not sure I'll return to the trilogy any time soon. Luckily, this conversation is definitely scratching my Mass Effect itch! Sorry for the late reply. Sometimes I like to take a break from forums to recharge a bit!

Tjuz

Thrillho

@Tjuz Don’t forget about visiting your quarters when aboard the Normandy to make sure your fish have been fed!

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Tjuz

@Thrillho I'm afraid those are the only members on the Normandy I never checked up on... Can the fish die? If they can, they probably did.

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