Topic: Is Sony having much bad news or are just people trying to make PS5 seem like a bad console?

@Kidfried Well firstly, Switch games adhere to the industry standard of $60/€60 so I don't know why Switch games are so expensive where you live. If I recall correctly, you live in the Netherlands. I just looked up a random game store in the Netherlands called Game Mania and there they're selling Switch games for €60: https://www.gamemania.nl/nl/info/nintendo-switch

Switch games are actually a bit cheaper in Sweden. But yeah, I think you're getting ripped off because Switch games normally cost €60 at retail, which is the same price that Wii U and Wii games had. They haven't raised the price at all.

Secondly, value doesn't have anything to do with the matter. Your argument is that games should cost more because the price falls in line with inflation. Then by that logic, all companies, including Microsoft, would be doing this because inflation affects all companies. In other words, all companies would be forced to adjust to inflation in order to earn the same amount as they did before. But they aren't, which means that inflation isn't the key factor here. It's that Sony is adding a premium price to their products because they think PS5 games are worth more for whatever reason and that makes it scummy.

Oh and I don't mean to come off as insensitive to anyone who is struggling financially, for whatever reason. There is a lot of unfairness going on, and differences between countries like @Voltan was very right to mention too.

If you have a harder time buying games now because of that, than of course I had wished this price hike wouldn't count for you. Basically, you deserve a more fair society.

Sorry to anyone who might have felt a bit offended or anything by my comments. I'm aware I'm speaking from a position of privilege.

@Kidfried ''If you have a harder time buying games now because of that''

where i live its actually because theyre just not available . you can't buy a switch , ps4 , ps5 , xbox one , xbox series where i live . its been about a year and a half now , the stores here only have physical games and old USED accessories . i've never seen this before , i don't understand how its still so easy to buy necessities but game consoles are scarce..

For whatever reason, Walmart has been selling Switch games at $49.99 after launch here in the States, which puts the de facto price of their games back to the Wii U standard. That also happens, inconsistently, with a ton of Switch releases at various online storefronts near launch as well.

No such luck with PS5, unfortunately.

Although, yeah, the difference in the price floors between Sony and Nintendo's first-party releases months and years after launch is going to be wildly different, since Sony will keep discounting their games as sales dip, while Nintendo will straight-facedly ask for full MSRP for decade-old games they publish.

So, more than ever, my strategy of buying Nintendo releases at launch and waiting for Playstation games to depreciate in value until they hit a stable price will continue to be the one that makes the most sense for me.

And, personally speaking, I'm not a fan of the price hike Sony and a few other publishers are trying to normalize, and I won't support it.

...not that such a statement means much as long as I'm not one of the Chosen Ones who own Sony's mythical next-generation console.

Game Pass is going to be a force to be reckoned with if and when Microsoft actually starts consistently churning out worthwhile exclusives that fall outside of the Halo/Forza/Gears mold. Right now we have a lot of hot air on the issue, which has, to some extent, been all we've gotten from Microsoft since the days of the Xbox 360.

I'm open to being surprised, though. If nothing else, I'm very, very interested in hearing more about Starfield next year.

I’m just gonna add my last two-penneth here, as off of the back of this chat yesterday it seems like eevveerryy bbllooddyy yyoouuttuubbeerr iiss hhaarrkkiinn’’ oonn aabboouutt iitt 😴… but before I do, just a disclaimer that this is a view that is very personal to a specific sub-section of PlayStation gamers, so if you don’t fit into that sub-section (Trophy Hunters) I get your consternation.

So, yes I love gaming… and in the last couple of years I have discovered that I also love racking up Platinum Trophies (as an absurd a thing to waste ones time doing as it is). So, while I can certainly see the benefits to ones pocket of Xbox’s smart delivery compared to PlayStation’s £10 upgrade (more, in the case of Horizon: Forbidden West)… but not only the £10 upgrade option, also Sony’s penchant for remastering or remaking (or director cutting) their games. As a trophy hunter, here I see the opportunity to replay games which I thoroughly enjoyed while also still being able to chip away at the additional gaming-meta that is one’s personal trophy haul.

This obviously does not affect everyone but for those that it does, i (& I assume we) would much rather the option to upgrade or purchase a remaster/remake of a beloved game (and as a result be able to platinum the game all over again) than ‘just’ get a free upgrade (a la God of War, Days Gone, The Last of Us 2 et al…) that has no new set of trophies.

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@colonelkilgore That’s a valid point. Despite trophy hunters being a subset of a subset of a subset of gamers, it is definitely a substantial group, numbers-wise, and many people in this enthusiast group appreciate having the new updated versions of the games for purposes of not only enjoying a replay of a favorite but also getting the trophies. I think the more intended motivation for the remakes, remasters, re-releases, and Director’s cuts is to provide some new visibility of a game and capture people who missed it the first time around. But it would be interesting to see statistics on what percentage of people buying a re-release on PS5 are getting it for the first time versus double dipping. I’d guess it’s close to 50-50. But that’s a complete guess. I can only extrapolate from my own experience —
Of all the PS5 games I own, I have about half that are PS4 games that upgraded for a fee or for free, and half that I purchased or acquired for the first time as a PS5 game without owning or playing the PS4 version first. And there are definitely a couple games that I’ve specifically held off on buying because I’m kinda waiting on a native PS5 version, TLoU2 being one of those.

To answer the question no. There's just very little news, and when there's little to no exciting stuff to talk about, it's the other stuff like the price hike that gets talked about. Which isn't a bad thing. Though some things, like the fan temperature gets taken completely out of context. That being said, they're definitely in a position to become complacent, so there's no reason to defend them either, a bit of critique doesn't hurt them.

Either way, hopefully next week will bring some good news.

@colonelkilgore very much agree and im in that subsection as well i love replaying a different verison of the same game to get more trophies thats what annoys me so much about the horizon thing. I would usually buy the disc version but no option of even for a £10 upgrade i would have to buy the digital deluxe edition i dont do digital

@trev666 yup, I can definitely agree on the whole Horizon: Forbidden West upgrade faux pas, here’s to hoping Sony see sense (rather than cents) on this one.

I feel something needs to be clarfied as I've seen it mentioned a few times on both the forums and the comments about the whole Jim Ryan 'generations' thing. If you read the whole statement, he actually does say that Sony will support PS4 for several years after the PS5 launch. People seem to think game development is a straight line and nothing ever changes, and that is simply not the case. Even more so with the events of the last 18+ months.

I'm not defending him or saying his is above criticism, but I think it comes across as quite petty to continuously bring up things people have said in the past to bash them over the head with, and usually out of context too.

@Th3solution oh definitely, I don’t think for one instant that Sony produce the upgrades, remasters and remakes for trophy hunters at all… but it just pans out that way, in so much that e.g. I haven’t ended up touching God of War nor Bloodborne since popping their respective plats way-back-when but… the moment either of those get a remaster/remake etc. (might happen with the latter… but probably not GoW) I would drop everything and begin the journey once more.

Found the most controversial comment in this thread!

@nessisonett I've already reported him.

@colonelkilgore @nessisonett @Octane
It’s a good thing @kyleforrester87 is out on that bike ride. He’s the captain of the misplaced colon police.

@Th3solution In fairness, there is just absolutely no flow to the three words whatsoever. Forbidden West works as an adjective followed by a noun, the same with Zero Dawn (though it’s verb-noun in structure) but the complete titles just don’t work for me without the colon (bit like my digestive system).

@colonelkilgore This was pretty much the gist of the original saga. Grammatically the colon works. It just doesn’t have one for whatever reason.

@nessisonett gotcha 👍

I never post on these threads. I don't think I've ever posted on one since I first came here in 2016, but this is an interesting topic and the opinions posted so far have been informative.

Personally I absolutely think all of the negative stories around Sony have been exaggerated since E3 2016. That show wasn't as good as the year before with the FF7 Remake, Last Guardian and Shenmue reveals. Everyone was expecting something to top it, and when that didn't happen the core community lost it's mind with negativity for the following week (It was also the first night I posted on this site on my old account).

The first valid criticism I can remember since 2016 was the initial stance on cross platform.
Personally I wasn't too fussed about that one way or the other, but in the end Sony listened and the community got what they wanted.

There were a lot of other overblown things after that, but the next thing that legitimately made me frown was when they said they were going to shut the PS3 and Vita stores. My opinion at the time was that if they are planning on doing this, they need an alternate solution.
But again, they listened to the community and reversed the decision.

And that's it really for me. Before this week they haven't done anything else that I felt was worth frowning about (since 2006).
I won't pretend for a second that I'm not disappointed that there's no disc with the Regalla edition for Horizon, but I'm still very excited to get my hands on it. That tweet Hulst posted of the statue yesterday set my heart all a flutter.
I'm also guilty of having said in the past that, if games do go all digital I'll forgive them if they keep giving me cool collector's editions, but now that it's happened I don't like it at all. Although, I suspect that once we get passed the cross-gen phase that won't be an issue.

To the other two issues people discuss most often:
Of course raising the price of the games isn't ideal, but aren't games always more expensive at the start of a generation? Or am I genuinely imagining that? And I ask that second question seriously - Am I imagining that?
The upgrade path from PS4 to PS5, I understand why people are frustrated there, but I still think that it's up to sensible consumers here to just not buy the PS4 version if they want a future proof purchase. Of course people want to be part of the initial launch buzz. I love big game launches, but I'm playing Shadow of War today, and I can remember I had pre-ordered the collector's edition of that with the big statue. I couldn't wait for it at the time, I was going to put it under my tree and play it that Christmas. Then the news dropped that it would be jammed with loot boxes.
I cancelled my order, and I'm only just getting to the game now.

To sum up, there are legit reasons to be disappointed with some things, but most of it is absolutely overblown, and I definitely won't be walking away from my PS5 or jumping ship, because so far when push comes to shove, they've listened to the community and reversed their decisions. I'm just not expecting them to change their minds on this particular occasion.
What I am expecting is a 40 minute show next week followed by developer deep dives that will make a lot of people forget about all of this.

This is just my opinion, of course. If anyone sees things differently, that's absolutely fine too.

FYI, just so you all know I'm not a fanboy looking for a hill to die on, I have a Series X and a Switch already. I just prefer the games on PlayStation. With the exception of Zelda. That's my favourite franchise.

Edit: Yes I know, my posts are always long. It's the nature of my work - If you don't explain yourself in detail so there are no misunderstandings, you get eaten alive by the masses.

@Shepherd_Tallon welcome to the big leagues 😉