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Tasuki

@andreoni79 Yeah I can understand where you are coming from, I am I the same boat. While like I said the faster speed is nice, I don't want my PS4 breaking down because of it.

Now I guess I just have to save every thing to the cloud.

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andreoni79

@Tasuki If you don't have one, you should also order a case for the original HDD so you'll be able to use it as a regular external HDD with other devices. I'm using it with my old 360 and it works great, no console war in my home!

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andreoni79

Select (Settings) > [Application Saved Data Management] > [Saved Data in System Storage].
To upload saved data to online storage, select the saved data and then select [Upload].
To use this feature, you must be a PlayStation®Plus subscriber.

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BAMozzy

@Tasuki you can't save 'everything' to the cloud - you don't have 500GB Cloud storage - more like 10GB. You can Back Up everything to an External HDD but whether or not you can put the old HDD into a caddy and transfer everything back to the new PS4 or not, I don't know. If you can, that would be the easiest method. Otherwise you would need to buy a 500GB external, back everything up to that, then swap HDD's and transfer everything back across. You would then be left with a 500GB external and a spare 500GB HDD. So it would be MUCH simpler and cheaper if you could just buy a caddy to put the old HDD into - effectively making that an external 500GB HDD with your entire PS4 library on it already. I don't see why this won't work but I don't want to say it will definitely work either in case the HDD isn't recognised by the PS4 and wants to reformat the old drive.

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andreoni79

@BAMozzy @Tasuki
"So it would be MUCH simpler and cheaper if you could just buy a caddy to put the old HDD into - effectively making that an external 500GB HDD with your entire PS4 library on it already."
That is not possible because each PS4 wants its one and only HDD with OS installed to run. Any other pendrive or HDD connected via USB is recognized for back up operations only. When you put the new HDD in your PS4 the HDD get formatted and you have to install the firmware on it via safe mode to bring the console back to life. After that, if you connect the old HDD as an external one there's no way you can restore everything because only things backed up can be restored...

I went through the whole process with just a 16GB pendrive where I put the firmware and where I backed up everything but the games (games saves, captures and themes). Then I reinstalled my retail games one at a time, just as they were brand new games...
Just stick to the official guide and you'll be fine, especially since you can also download in rest mode!
https://support.us.playstation.com/articles/en_US/KC_Article/...

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BAMozzy

@andreoni79 I didn't think it was possible but it would be so much easier if you could. You can back up all your games though to an external HDD although you can't actually play them from that. It seems odd to me that you can't move the games from the old HDD in a Caddy with your own profile to a new HDD with your profile.

I don't care if you can redownload everything in Rest mode. Games like Destiny - with all the expansions, CoD with all the DLC etc would still take a LONG time to redownload and be 'playable'. I, and I am sure many others, don't want to wait a day or 2 to be able to start playing on their console again.

When I upgraded to my XB1s, it was 'seconds' before I could play my entire library. Just set up the console to my profile and plug in the external HDD and it was ready - ALL my games including ALL the downloaded content was instantly accessible. When I upgraded to my PS4 Pro, It was 'hours' before I could play anything. I waited until I swapped out the HDD for a 2TB but moving my library from PS4 to PS4 Pro took hours going through my router. This was still quicker than reinstalling and redownloading everything. It would make sense if the Old HDD could ve put into a Caddy and be transferred over - including acting as a USB for the OS instead of having to go online and download the OS to a stick. Its also a cheaper solution as you don't need to buy a stick or a separate 500GB external to back everything up to it.

Its less hassle to buy a new PS4 (maybe even a Pro), swap the HDD in that and then transfer everything from your old PS4 via a router than to upgrade your HDD because the old one is full. The more games you have installed, the more hassle it becomes unless you are buying a new PS4. Whatever method you find works, whether its backing up everything to a external storage or redownloading/reinstalling everything - none of it is as simple or quick as MS's option and certainly can't match it for storage capacity either. The most a PS4 can cope with is 2TB's - certainly with the slim and pro models and some of that is used for system software too. My XB1s has 7TB's of storage - 2TB internal and 5TB external and the 5TB cost me the same as the 2TB replacement drive for my Pro. I am now left with a 1TB external that's literally a waste - sat in a drawer doing nothing. I could buy a caddy of course and use it as an additional external HDD - if I needed one but as I don't (at the moment) its literally just 'junk'

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andreoni79

@BAMozzy No doubt Sony made a mess but there's nothing we can do now. Even Nintendo let us use external HD with WiiU: problem is we can't install retail games on it and digital versions of their games are full price even several years later...

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Tasuki

Mainly what I was hoping to save to the cloud was my game saves. I figured I would have to reinstall the games themselves, but there's some stuff like Diablo, Fallout 4, etc that I don't want to lose and have to start all over.

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andreoni79

@Tasuki You can use both Cloud and a pendrive to be ultra safe so don't worry. And after that, you can also copy on a pc the back up you made on the pendrive!

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themcnoisy

@Tasuki save to the cloud - swap drive - redownload saves.

To be fair, I was worried by exactly the same thing. Do what I did. Buy a pro put your saves to the cloud and download them. Saves any hassle what so ever. (and the hdd is marginally quicker in testing)

Backing up to other caddy drives and stuff is just complicating the process, good if you have the available equipment. But just keep the saves you need on the cloud and redownload games from the store. I understand if you have PT on your drive or the enigma machine codes but seriously bro the option of cloud saving then picking those saves back up on a new drive is well the easiest.

I was mulling over all this, like you, in November. A decent HDD is £75-£100, you probably need a new pad £45, you can trade your old ps4 in for £120. Buy a pro. You can thank me for it in a week

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Tasuki

@themcnoisy As always I do value your opinion but buying a pro is just not fesible for me at this point. For one thing I don't own a 4K TV nor do I plan on getting one any time soon. Second if I do get a pro I would want to keep my PS4 if anything I can give it to my son. Also I am somewhat on limited funds gaming wise for awhile now so there isn't away I can justify the full price of a pro.

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themcnoisy

@Tasuki that's fair enough. My hand was forced into getting a new tv. That was a stroke of luck in the end! Good luck whatever you do taz. A bigger hdd is a must these days.

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Tasuki

Ok so now that they will be allowing external HDD that brings up a bunch of new questions. Like first off can I just go out and get any external drive now? And if so any suggestions?

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FullbringIchigo

@Tasuki i would wait until closer to the release as i imagine that Sony will release a list of compatible drives but i think that most External HDD's would be fine

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BAMozzy

If its the same as the XB1 (which appears to be the case), you only need to worry about ensuring it has USB3.0. These come in two types though, ones that get power from the device they are connected to and ones that need a power supply. The ones that are 'portable' and don't require a separate power supply are more expensive. I bought a Seagate 5TB for my XB1 which has its own separate power supply but automatically switches on/off with the console anyway - only downside (if its a downside) is it requires its own socket.

USB3.0 is faster than SATA2 - or at least potentially. More often than not, the disc drives are not able to read/write fast enough to get bottlenecked by the connection anyway. Unless you use a SSHD drive, USB3.0 and SATA3 are more than enough.

I can't see how Sony can make any distinction between brands so as long as it has USB3.0 and at least 5400rpm (the same speed as the internal drive), then ANY external should work perfectly. I doubt Sony will release a list because there are many different ones - ranging in size all the way up to 8TB. You could even buy a Drive and a USB 3.0 caddy and use that!

I will probably get another Seagate 5TB drive (around the same price as a 2TB 2.5" internal drive) as that has not let me down yet...

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