PS Plus Extra, Premium Games Will Be Playable Offline, But Will Require Weekly Validation

Seems fair, it's the same timeframe as NSO

I'm just going to buy Ape Escape outright thanks.

Play your old PlayStation games with their original machines without paying extra money for subscription. The best solution.

Did I read it wrong or did they offer the ability to buy these piece meal if you don't have the higher subs? Like say I want Ridge Racer from PSP on my PS5. Could I buy that without upgrading to the higher tier of PS Plus?

Secondly, if that's the case, would purchased copies of these games still require a weekly "check up"?

@Anti-Matter Agreed... with the exception of playing PS1/2 games on a 4KTV. The resolution just doesn't hold up well and makes it hard to read some game's text.

They answered my question in the final sentence. Sounds like games downloaded via PS+ should work forever, as long as we're members, hopefully.

@Anti-Matter unless you still have a CRT they look horrendous.

I am always connected to the internet anyway so this doesn't really affect me but it is nice to know you can sort of play them offline.

@ED_209 is it though? Nintendo wants all their DLC and downloadable games validated every few hours on all secondary Switches… it’s a nightmare for my family when we travel.

@BearsAndBattles Hence why activating CRT mode is on the cards.

@Uncharted2007
I get used to see 480i and 240p from my PS2 and PS1 games on Standard HD TV. I played them with my PS2 Fat for USA games and PS2 Slim for Japan games.
Not really big deal for me as for games like DDR and other BEMANI PS2 games looked pretty good on my HD TV with 480i output.
The PS1 games looked like an upscaled GBA games on HD TV lol. It's so pixelated but I'm fine with that.

@KayOL77 that’s not why it looks terrible. On 4K systems the resolution makes the thing blurry and the text way too small. I said CRT because the resolution is correct not striped scan lines. 🤣

@Anti-Matter on 4K sets they’re terrible and the text too small. There’s no getting used to it.

Correct me if i'm wrong but sony always remind you when your active sub is about to expire thus prompting renewal so i dont understand why this is a must from them? What if you go on holiday? Are you expected to sign in via the ps app or do you require somebody goes round to your house and sign you in? Really makes no sense at all...

@Anti-Matter to be fair, though, the best you could possibly do on old kit is a PS3 Phat 60GB and then you'd only have, at most, 720p scaling for most of the games.

I still have my old games and I personally think Sony should open the emulator up to be used with discs (even if just the key to the game) for old PS1 and PS2 titles.

They also give access to those PSN (PsOne Classics) games you bought on PS3/Vita for "free" (without having to have PS Plus). That's somewhat decent.

@Anti-Matter

Not for me. Not everyone wants or has space for a load of old consoles around, particularly if in the living room...

What's wrong with that? I don't see a problem there.

Can't really see it being an issue. Unlike my Switch which can easily be taken out of the house my PS5 never really moves so is always connected to the internet

@Anti-Matter have you seen how much some of those original games cost these days. It's crazy

@Anti-Matter easier said than done unless your willing to buy converters. 99% of modern TV dont even support the connections anymore. Ive had a couple of scart to HDMI converters etc in the past and they have never been that great. Not to mention if i set up an old CRT in my front room my wife would go bananas 😂. It took long enough to get her to agree to a second TV in the corner so i could be social whilst i game.

That’s fair enough. And good to know that, should I not want to resub but am part way through a game at expiry, I can eke another week out by disconnecting the PS5 from the internet.

I'm not gonna lie, I have all the PS1 and PS2 games I could ever need on my PC and I suspect much more capable emulators then what Sony is going to offer. Still I'll be interested in picking up the odd PS1 classic on my PS5 providing it's not the PAL version

I'm not understanding why the PS+ Extra and Premium games require periodic validation, while the standard Essential plan games don't. What's stopping someone from playing those offline beyond an expired subscription? Why can't the same policy be applied across the board? Am I missing something?

@Anti-Matter how do you manage to maintain your Old Consoles?? Do you have a Repair/Maintenance Center for Old Consoles in your Country??or you disassemble and clean it your self. sorry for asking I’m just curious.

And what if you on holiday/vacation for two weeks ? lol

@GoodGame
If you mean you’d like to take your console with you on holiday for two weeks…well, after the first week you’ll need to find an internet connection. Not sure if you could tether it to your phone. Maybe. I could on VITA.

…seems you can, so, yeah, make sure you take your phone on holiday too and you should be good. You only need to sign in for a quick authentication, not play online.

Edit: oh, you mean what happens if you leave the console disconnection for two weeks while you’re away? Nothing really. You come home and sign in again.

@thefourfoldroot1 Oh no. I would never take a console abroad lol.
Just wondered how it would work when I 'DO' go away.

EDIT: Ah ok. Thanks

Another reason for me not to bother with it, I'm regularly offline for more than a week.

Seems fair and reasonable to me.

I still have working PS1's 2's and full fat PS3's although the only one out is the PS3 as it has backwards compatibility. If you have good humidity and heat control you can keep your hardware running for a long time. I don't have anything specific just the fact our games room is converted from basement keeps it cool and I have central humidity control as the house is 200 years old and needs it to keep maintenance costs down. The only hard part of fixing most PS1 or PS2 faults would be if it was a main chip but even those are plentiful from donor systems. PS3 is more problematic. Truth is though I very very rarely power on the PS3 and when I do it's usually to pull out a old game to compare to a remake.

Total BS Sony. A complete anti- consumer move. When microshaft aka micro$oft announced a similar policy for Xbox one hell rained down. I hope the same for you…. No thanks I’ll stick with the disk versions on my Polymega.

@Northern_munkey It really doesn't make sense why you even raise this question. I don't know what you are even worried about? I really wonder if some of you guys are just here to troll on Sony or if you guys have a genuine concern. If you go on holiday, you don't play games, then what are you worried about? You return home, you can pick up where you left off. If your sub expires when you are away, you resub when you back and then continue where you left off. If you brought your console on holiday, you connect to hotel wifi or phone tethering after a week. If you brought your console to the holiday destination where there is no internet at all, then it is a different matter and you consider to play the games you own in that case.

@meistergeister Total BS comment. This is very different from MS proposition back then. They ask for an internet connection when you play the disc you own. And the much-praised GP games, you can't even play them without the internet, let alone for a week.

@KidBoruto Yes, they have for "select titles"! For example, here's a link to Ape Escape's Indonesian PSN store page, with ability to purchase separately:

https://store.playstation.com/en-id/product/EP9000-CUSA31965_00-SCES01564P000000

@mrbone - Sorry mate but that's incorrect. You can play GP games without internet for 30 days as long as it's on your home designated Xbox. After that you need to connect to reacquire the licence.

@Shigurui I tried on PC and cant even open the games.

@mrbone okay the topic was about being required to sign in once a week to validate your sub..so i was asking why is it needed when sony know you have an active sub and they know when its going to expire..they require you to sign in once a week so the games you are playing are not removed from your library which brings me to the uestion i raised about what happens if you go on holiday and cant sign in? Do you loose your games? Why the hostility and i'm by no means trolling on sony..thanks for the reply but please dont bother if you cant be respectful..👍

@mrbone - Interesting, perhaps it's a different requirement on PC but it's definitely the case on console. I moved house last year and had no issues playing offline for 8 days while I had no internet.

@Northern_munkey There is no hostility. Sorry if you think so. Maybe you didn't read the news. You can't play offline if you don't sign in after a week. That's all. Nowhere it is mentioned, that they will remove the titles if you don't sign in for a week. You don't need to worry about signing in regularly at all.

@Anti-Matter only the minority have this option

@MisterXpoSay
Here in my country Indonesia, there are some video games repair shops and the owner can repair almost every video game machines including hacking the machines and installing the pirated games onto consoles.

I got PS2 Slim Japan in Like New condition in April 2017 and PS2 Fat USA Like New condition in August 2019. I got them from different game shops and for PS2 Fat USA, I bought from the games repair shop I visited oftenly (and I can trust the owner). My PS2 Fat have ever got problem in railing the optic so it made some noisy disc spins from the scratch and after got fixed that part, I can play again my PS2 Fat.

@Kidfunkadelic83
Oh, here is the things behind my TV Sharp Aquos White 32 inch.
My TV have HDMI and Component cable slots.
There are a lot of HDMI cables from Wii U, PS3, Switch and PS4 + PS3 Component cables for PS2 and Wii component cables plugged together with converter. When I want to play HD games, I have plug off one HDMI cable from other machine and plug in HDMI cable for the machine I want to play then turn on the machine. For non HD games like Wii / PS2 / Gamecube / PS1, since both component cables already plugged in, I just plug in the power cable and turn on the machine I want to play. There are a lot of cables and converter behind my TV, like Medusa's hair.

@Bagwag82
I still lucky enough to able getting old games (PS1, PS2, PS3) in cheaper price.
I got my PS3 games mostly from my local game stores in my country so I got very cheap price games oftenly, even I got Ratchet & Clank Trilogy PS3 with very cheap price from my country, unlike on Ebay with very inflated price.
Some PS2 games I want to buy (DDR, Beatmania IIDX, DrumMania, Pop'n Music, etc) are very pricey but I still able to buy with that price as long not more than 2,000,000 IDR. (Except for Beatmania IIDX 16 EMPRESS PS2 with more than 3,000,000 IDR for the price, I really want to get that game when I got a lot of money since I will get two disc from that game. Disc 1 for Beatmania IIDX 16 songs + some revival songs with total 99 songs and Disc 2 is for the previous Beatmania IIDX songs from Beatmania IIDX 1st Style until Beatmania IIDX 15 DJ TROOPERS with total also 99 songs. Very expensive PS2 game but very worthy purchase)

@B80
I still have some space for a lot of different consoles hooked onto my TV. I like to collect interesting stuffs.
Let's see...
I have PS2 Slim Japan, PS2 Fat USA, PS3 Slim, PS4 Slim, Wii, Wii U, Switch dock hooked onto my TV.
And I still have one more space.... for my upcoming machine XBOX 360 with Kinect sensor.

@Northern_munkey there is definitely come confusion here, the title will just not be playable till next time you go online, it won’t be removed from your machine or anything

@MattBoothDev
PS3 is not recommended for playing DDR PS1 games as I have ever played DDR PS1 games on my PS3 and I found disappointing result.
The graphic was indeed very good with 1080p output but it made between the songs and the arrows became very off sync like the arrows moved faster than the songs and I couldn't even get better scores as I got bad result oftenly for being off sync. I thought the emulating process was too powerful for Rhythm games and it made very off sync.

@BearsAndBattles
My PS1 games are mostly DDR, some cartoonish games so I'm used to see 240p on my TV.

@tallythwack
And I think this is the best option to enjoy my old games with their native machines since I play the games with legit original discs.

@BearsAndBattles Well I have my PS3 hooked up to my 55" 4k tv for PS1 games right now and its perfectly serviceable. Miracles aren't to be expected from running games emulating a much older system.

@Northern_munkey because it's not only validating your sub, it's validating the game is still a part of the subscription. Games at extra/premium may be removed from the service which is what they're checking for.

So say you've downloaded Balan Wonderworld, which at the time didn't have an expiration date. But then you go on vacation for a month. During that time it's announced the game is leaving in 2 weeks so when you come back it's already been removed. Since they check the license every week, when you finally come back it won't let you keep playing the game while offline. And when you go online It'll check the license and see the game isn't available anymore. It'll still be downloaded to your system, just locked, you can buy the game outright to continue playing.

@Northern_munkey guess your ***** outta luck then. How does Sony know if you have an active sub or not if your not online. You can manipulate the clock to make it seem that no time has passed and you’ll have it forever. Just quit your whining and crying and don’t get it, not everything is made for you

@KayOL77 perfectly serviceable just what I want from gaming. So enjoy your horror fest, but I’ll keep telling the truth.

@BearsAndBattles Thank you for being the perfect arbiter we need to eliminate the subjective experience of enjoying these old games. Your service to humanity will live on 😋

@Quadalog thanks for your eloquent input..i feel as though my life has been given a quality that was previously missing..

@Robinsad @mrbone yes i was a little confused as to how this was being utilised..thanks for clearing it up 👍

seriously geez never had that issue on my ps1.

@Uncharted2007 Probably not you own them dont you?

@Anti-Matter For those of us who joined the Blue side starting in the PS4 era this isn't an option
While I know it's still possible to hunt down the hardware to get the "authentic" experience, I'm simply fine with playing a re-released version through my PS5. Good on you for keeping your old consoles though!

@Abuncha_nada
Also, there was another reason I keep playing with native consoles for old games.
Since I am a huge fan of DDR and other BEMANI games by Konami on PS1 & PS2, their games will be only available on PS1 & PS2 and those games will be never brought to PS NOW or PS PLUS for two reasons: music licensing issue and peripheral compatibility on modern consoles (DDR mat, Beatmania IIDX controller, Pop'n Music controller, Para Para Paradise controller, etc)
Konami will not bring DDR and other BEMANI games on PS5 due to music licensing issue and the incompatibility of PS5 machine to detect the peripherals of BEMANI games. And thus I keep playing those games on my PS2 machines.

@Anti-Matter well good for you my friend. If you can get them at a good price then you go for it and enjoy 🤠👍

@BearsAndBattles PS1 looks great on a 4K set if you use a scaler. I have mine hooked up to a retrotink 5x pro using RGB SCART, it looks fantastic at a 6x resolution scale, outputting 1440p to the TV.

@rjc-32 are you buying me a scaler?

@KayOL77 no worries. Too many apologists here.

@Anti-Matter thanks for answering.

@BearsAndBattles I am genuinely curious about what you think would be an acceptable form of running old ROMs on newer hardware ?

I mean your dealing with 240i hardware with probably around about 2-4mb for all assets. Aside from using a good CRT filter to get the original feel as much as you can I don't see any way to get these games looking better(on pc or console). If I'm being an apologist, I will lightly chuck the words 'overly-entitled' to you 😋

@rjc-32 Would it be possible to simulate the signal through software you think?

@Anti-Matter I've still got my PS1 and PS2 as well, but my TV doesn't have SCART or Component inputs.

Most of my old games are final fantasy, crash bandicoot, metal gear solid, etc, which... To be fair, I have physically and on PSN so I'll be able to play them anyway.

However, I just think it'll be cool if they enable the emulator to work with physical discs. At least for PS1 titles, as those have been able to be fully emulated accurately for over 20 years (which Sony owns outright - see Connectix).