Talking Point: Did Sony's PS5 Deep Dive Live Up to the Hype?

No. I fell asleep watching this. This should have been saved for later. I wasted my time.

What a joke, but like they said Deep Dive Architecture, Wake me up when this ends.

Now that was interesting from the technical point but overall… WTF?

People were told what this was going to be, & still will complain lmao. What else do you expect from any hardware reveal?

I did not expect this but I expected not to expect it so it doesn’t count.

Memes aside, with mark cerny hosting it I should’ve known it would be tech talk and not the things I wanted to hear.

Absolutely nothing exciting really wish I didn't bother watching it

@get2sammyb Fake Audience!! WTF!

What a waste of 52 minutes that was! That could have been done in 10 minutes tops!

People just don't understand the genius of Cerny smh

well was it good? no.

BUT if people bothered to read some stuff about the deep dive before watching the stream they would have known that no games would be shown. that is on them and not sony.

did i have better hopes sure,but i also knew not to be unrealistic.

also good job mods for banning that jesse person.

That was boring asf. I'm in IT and knew alot of what he was talking about and I still caught myself dozing off two or three times.

Brain dead teens only want sparkly things.

People were already losing their minds because they lack patience, they will have hated this.

Sony decided to give an in-depth tech dive instead of giving them people their fix. Watch the dislikes roll in.

@Ken_Kaniff I’m in the same boat as you.

Look, this sort of talk is fine, but to make it the thing you break months of silence with... it's very tone deaf.

Well, this presentation is for gdc members, not gamers lol. It's interesting to hear ps5 design philosophy from cerny though.

on the positive I am now sleeping thanks to this soothing ASMR video

That should have been a secondary reveal. We should have already had the public unveiling.

Also the system not even being fully compatible with PS4!? Are you actually kidding me? Seriously might jump ship back to Xbox. There is a sense of that PS3 era arrogance creeping in about how Sony have handled the PS5 thus far. It's like the companies in the lead just can't help themselves and always just act with arrogance and complacency. Sony did it with PS3, MS did it with XONE and Nintendo did it with the Wii U.

We got Rick rolled good looool

I love technical stuff so it was ok, but a bit letdown was "only" 36 CUs, although the higher GPU clock seems good. Wondering if we have another jet engine loud PS5... No word about a good cooling solution, the variable clock speed doesn't look good. The SSD part was great. Also RDNA2.

" live audience" my a..s..s

Even from a tech standpoint, it was presented in a boring manner.

Its seems Microsoft and Sony can do no right with the next gen consoles. Everyone is unhappy. Although the reaction to sony having less terraflops amuses me. I mean i probably wont notice it or care aslong as the games play well and the load times are fast/gone.

If Mark Cerny showcased the Coronavirus vaccine you lot would still be miserable.

I enjoyed most of it, the 3D audio section dragged because I'm not even academically interested in that. I'm fine with this but people were expecting WAAAAY more and are gonna be angry now.

1. price
2. date
3. games

thats all we wanted, but didnt get anything

I had low expectations and I still got disappointed, especially after so much time of silence, I guess this explains why they're gonna slowly port their games to PC they probably don't think the PS5 is gonna be successful or the future for the company

So only thing confirmed SSD, 3d audio and PS4 compatibility, no Terraflop number, waste of time. Glad I was sent home from work and didn't take the day off.

I loved it, as a student, it felt like the very best lectures I’ve had. This was advertised as a tech talk, not a reveal event.

If you are using a fake audience, why Sony did you not use the silhouettes of crash bandicoot, kratos and Nathan drake?

It was fascinating from a tech standpoint, but definitely not what Joe Average was wanting. Most of what Cerny spoke about wont really mean anything to most until we see games that reflect it... or hear the difference with the 3D Audio stuff... It was what I was expecting and I cannot wait to hear and see more.

Wish this was the standard E3 presentation not a GDC conference.

@feral1975 They had 10.3 Teraflops literally on screen.

As a presentation for developers, it sounded spot-on, and the SSD benefits discussed are unarguably QoL - but like I've said before, load times or lack thereof are not what makes me consider buying a new console. Till next official newspiece, PS5.

Now we know why Sony waited so long, they have an inferior console and they knew it and MS have beaten them hard console wise, it looks like only PS4 and PS5 will be playable as well unlike Series X what has every Gen.

This was a stupid decision. They should have done this presentation after a proper reveal of the machine, the games, the features, the price and release date. Then I would have enjoyed this deep dive after, like they did last gen.

Holy sh*t that was impressive. Clearly answered all the right questions, the comparison to PCs, and most importantly showed that they know their poo and they’ve done their homework. Price would be nice, but that was amazing.

This presentation was really not meant for the masses. It was definitely geared towards developers

it was exactly what I was expecting, wasnt expecting games, pricing or the actual machine. the hard drive size and backwards comp is a bit poo but its games that make a console what it is and Sony have a decent record.

I will be getting a ps5 day one for sure, that being said that was the driest presentation I've seen in a while. If they would've just put it on YT without even hyping it it would've been one thing, but yeah that was rough. I literally muted it at times

@3Above
Must have glitched for me, the space looked empty. That's disappointing, would have preferred a comparible number.

All I got out of it was "We are testing this" or "We are testing that". Almost sounds like they haven't finalized any hardware yet for the system. It is still in the experimental stage on many aspects.

@feral1975

36 compute units
2.23ghz
10.3 tflops
It was all there

@Mega-Gazz Are U sick or blind ?

‘Almost all PS4 games’ . That is a huge concern.

Looks like you’ll need to wait for the inevitable PS5 Pro if you want better specs

@BrettAwesome
Check my previous reply.

you could have read it all on eurogamer in 10 minutes like i did, which ended with "we're clearly some way off the big reveal", and saved yourself of watching 50 minutes of hardware architecture lesson.

@beavis64 yes, but the variable clock speeds sounds a bit like they couldn't keep it cool and quiet "always". Unless it's a power saving feature only. Reading the Digital foundry stuff now.

Very poor showing and whilst the disparity is specs isn't that important to me, we have seen far more real world features for the X including excellent backwards compatibility

This was for the GDC crowd, not me. Interesting but boring.

Lacking.
No box, no gamepad, no even current-gen games demonstrations.

@Rick_Deckard that was the most amusing part!!!

@Odium speechless haha

GDC Talk guys think you were expecting Appolo from Rock 4 intro 🤣 🤣

I found it interesting but I know that most gamers just wanted to know about Flops, SSD size and backwards compatibility and XBSeX is "better" in all regards.
The fact that PS4 compatibility is still not fully up and running and they are working on the top 100 games first is very concerning.
Also no word on the controller, surely that is of interest to developers.

@premko1 No I just am technical enough to understand it. I’m really impressed.

It was OK but I did expect more. Showing examples of loading times with SSD, the actual design of the console and even the DS5 would have helped but overall, it seemed more 'rushed' because MS were leaving them behind on giving information and details.

Its not more than I expected from a tech perspective but it was good to finally get some confirmation on certain aspects. I can see people though still focusing on the 'numbers' - the Series X being more than a PS4 better in terms of Tflops (although that's 'numerically' and 1 Tflop of PS4 < 1tflop of RDNA2), having more cores and a faster CPU, a different approach to running - series X constantly running at 12.1tflops but the PS5 running up to 10.28TF if the conditions are right...

I do think though that the PS5 will be cheaper and cheaper to run too as a result but what differences we see in gaming, we will need to wait and see. Having 16 fewer cores should save some money but with VRS, DLSS etc the difference in 'raw power' could be very difficult to see - even in a side by side - with DLSS, 1080p can look sharper and cleaner than native 4k as proven by Digital Foundry's look at Wolfenstein. Both systems are very similar too in terms of the way they are designed too work and feature set.

If you want a Playstation, coming from PS4 and want the games it offers, it won't matter if Xbox is technically better or handles BC differently, you won't buy the Xbox. The PS5 is certainly a generational leap over PS4 in a lot of key areas - CPU, SSD, BC, GPU capabilities etc and could well be the more budget friendly option too...

Is it just me or does Mark Cerny look like the inventor of Ready Player One.

I heard alotnof we r working ons and we hope tos iv vary disappointed 825 ssd hard drive and is that with or without the operating system installed on it if so we might get like 500 gb of storage

@oldschool1987 I think I remember things differently, ps4 spec details revealed in Feb(mark cerny) , console, price and games, revealed at E3. So no its not different

@leucocyte that's exactly what I did and yet still no MvG PS5 for me ☹

One thing I was puzzled at is he said 32 cu (which are bigger than in ps4) is equal to 56? Cu's if I'm correct doesn't that mean it's better than 52 Cu's in xbox sx and at a higher frequency?

@johncalmc I kind of feel like their fun reveal got completely nuked by current events and this was all they had left. Like they were sitting around going "well we can show the tech stuff or we can just keep saying nothing"

Nothing really special, but I always keep my expectations low. I just wanna know the games.

It did meet my expectations, since this was exactly like the PS4 keynote. I don't know why people expected other info when it was stated that this was supposed to be the presentation they would've given at GDC.

@Truthhurts2 I think Cerny did his time to triangle, ps4 spec deep dive a few months after E3.

@Truthhurts2 - no, the 36 CUs in the GPU are equivalent to 58 of PS4s CUs, and each one is more than 2.7 times faster. so it's roughly 9 times the GPU power of the PS4.. which is maybe something to consider before people get their knickers in a twist over its 'lack' of teraflops. think of how good games can look on PS4. 9 times the GPU power (plus a whole bunch of extra custom bells and whistles), a vastly superior CPU, and a SSD drive that's a couple of years ahead of anything in the PC market.. i'm not sure people will really have much to complain about how games will look. for me, i don't have a 4K tv.. so i'd be amazed if i'm not playing PS5 games at 1080p @60fps with extremely high detail levels, especially with how fast it's going to be able to load ultra-high density texture maps.

It was a bit disappointing. It's less powerful than the Xbox Series X, doesn't have full backwards compatibility with the PS4, and the storage space will likely fill up very fast.

I don’t know WTF people expected from a GDC presentation. If you expected anything different than what was shown, that’s on YOU for being ill informed, not on SONY. Jesus people are stupid.

The fake crowd was the funniest thing😁☺😀😜.haha.what was that.but it was like i expect it.word up son

I rather enjoyed the deep dive. I'm super excited for it. Loved hearing all the technical information that they never usually share

@beavis64 yes, I know, same here... I want a PS5 anyway, but somewhat dissapointed by today's details.

Considering it wasn't for the E3 crowd of people, and was a techical keynote, then it did everything it set out to do. People are just too damn ignorant to realise not everything is made for them.

@BAMozzy is VRS and DLSS are confirmed for PS5? I guess it's part of RDNA2... if true, then nothing to worry about (or less, say).

@FreakerZ @Rick_Deckard The audience moved on occasion, and I'm not sure if it was simulated or not. Jarring.

They originally said that it was going be backwards compatible. Now it's 100 a hundred games, what a effing joke. I told everybody two weeks ago that their lazy and they weren't going to do the right thing. They also said that will continue working too make more game BC, do not hold your breath for that one. Their so dam lazy their taking fans for granted.

@MattSilverado I don't recall hearing Sony talk about either but some game engines allow for these (or their 'own' form of it anyway). Much like Ray Tracing, you will have DXR (Direct X Ray Tracing) with MS and a lot of game engines support that but Sony will use AMD's ray tracing and nVidia has a version of it too both of which will also be supported in game engines too no doubt.

I don't think MS has DLSS (that might be nVidias own method) but they have a version of machine learning and VRS support is offered by AMD. In any case, with numerous methods of rendering lower resolutions, areas of the screen at lower quality etc to reduce GPU load and improve game performance without a noticeable hit to overall image quality, I don't think it will be too much of an issue. Ray Tracing too is becoming less costly so you don't have to settle for HD if you turn RT on - although if you do, with DLSS (or manufacturers equivalent) you probably couldn't tell the difference in resolution and the overall benefits of RT outweigh any negatives anyway.

@BAMozzy yes, right. Anyway I'll take raytracing over raw resolution. I'm betting on spectacular results over time... Not on launch games or neither in the first two years.

"How would you rate Sony's PS5 reveal livestream?". But this wasn't a reveal livestream...

I could only take about 3 minutes of this mind numbing video. Boring on par with most long loading screens.

Very poor. I never go that low in these polls but this was almost as bad as it gets. Not as disastrous as Xbox One E3 2013, Wii U E3 2011 or PS3 2006 but still still extremely poor. I didn't think I could get less interested in PS5 but congrats to Sony, it pulled it off. Sony itself has actually done more to push me towards Xbox the last couple years than MS has. The latest blow being the complete and total incompetence in regards to backwards compatibility.

@NoCode23
I'd have had more fun watching a loading screen for 1 hour followed by a two hour session of watching paint dry.

Want 100% BC keep your PS4 I have always said that! After the first year it wont matter, when you start building a backlog of games on PS5.

Since I'm not much of tech guy, I was actually more interested to see the console's design and hearing about launch games instead.

This is a very underwhelming Console build up.

825GB SSD is not enough, especially when the SSDs compatible with the PS5 are not even on the market yet and will be crazy expensive.

The Backwards Compatibility is not clear and has left me and many PS4 Owners in the dark as to what games we will be able to access on the PS5 system.

It seems Ray Tracing will be a very dumb downed version at that to run on the Sony System too.

The big pluses are the speed of the SSD and the 3D Audio that they are championing, I just hope it is as big of a leap as Cerny says.

I hope as this is a 9 TF Console (Overclocking takes it to 10.4 but is likely around 9.4 TF Raw), the pricing will be a lot more competitive than the Xbox Series X and means that the consoles won't cost £550 plus.

Also I am hoping that there are multiple storage options, like a more expensive model for the sake of 2TB storage or 1.5TB etc.

Obviously no. This should never ever be presented to the general public and should be sent to each individual developer that they pretend to support or elucidate.

@Crispy747 It's not a huge concern. They cannot guarantee every game. That's just how it is. Some games will be pulled off the shop for example. Live service games that get taken down (DriveClub for exampe). I HIGHLY doubt they're putting The Playroom on the online shop for example, the PS5 will probably come with its own silly introduction game. But stuff like this always prevents ALL games from being playable. If he said only 20% is playable, now that's a worry, but he didn't say that.

@Octane I suppose I'm looking at it more in practical terms. I see this as a console upgrade to replace my PS4 but if it can't run all of my games, then I'm still stuck with my original console. I'll still buy it to play PS5 games of course, but I find it surprising they can't guarantee 100% compatibility given the market has been pushing towards incremental upgrades rather than isolated console generations (e.g. PS4 Pro) for a few years now.

@Blaster_master
The backwards compatibility stuff is awful but I don't think it's Sony being lazy at all. Unfortunately I fully believe it's because this makes it much easier for Sony to curate and weed out the games the fake woke morons running the show at PlayStation California consider 'questionable.' So a lot of niche Japanese games will not make their way over. Apparently if you play Grand Theft Auto or Mortal Kombat for the extreme violence and get all hyped over over the top fatalities or kicking dogs you're a perfectly well adjusted human being but if you like seeing the women in Dead or Alive in a bikini or enjoy the Amazon in Dragon's Crown you're a weirdo who is going to go out and hurt women in the real... The mentality of people here in the West is beyond f'ing stupid.

@Crispy747 Like I said, there are always exceptions that prevent this. But I'm certain Horizon, God of War, and whatnot will all be playable on the PS5.