Microsoft has just released in-depth specifications for the Xbox Series X. It's shaping up to be an impressive machine, but we still don't know how it'll compare to the PlayStation 5. Sony's silence has become a meme at this point, but rumours and speculation consistently suggest that the two next-gen consoles will be very similar in terms of raw power.
However, it's interesting to note that these newly released Xbox specs match up perfectly with an old leak -- a leak that also stated the PS5 will be more powerful than its competitor.
It all goes back to a NeoGAF poster named Tommy Fisher, who is now banned on the forum for, as far as we can tell, a lack of clarification on various next-gen rumours. They supposedly shared technical specifications for both the Xbox Series X and the PS5 back in December of last year. Given what we now know about the Xbox Series X, there's no denying that Tommy Fisher was bang on the money.
It was either an incredibly lucky but well educated guess, or they had inside information. If it's the latter, then it can be assumed that Tommy Fisher's PS5 specs are also accurate. They have Sony's next-gen device pegged at 13.3 teraflops compared to the Xbox Series X's 12.1 teraflops.
To say this is shaky ground would be an understatement. After all, this is based on just a handful of posts made by someone who has no discernible history of credible leaks. But again, the information is a perfect match, so it's worth pointing out, even if we're not convinced.
[source neogaf.com]
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Tommy was banned for sharing a fake image of a PS5 controller I believe.
I am on GAF myself and a lot of people think he was a good source so we'll have to see how this shapes up.
Phil Spencer himself said Series X had double the GPU power of Xbox One X, so it wouldn't have taken a genius to come up with 12 back then
@carlos82 he said 12.1 exactly
@carlos82 look at on CU numbers and its Speed! so, you're wrong...
@Zombie9ers @carlos82 He also got a number of other specs absolutely spot on, not just the teraflops. Like the article says, it was either a very good (and lucky) educated guess, or there's something to it.
@DonJorginho Yeah, the post history is suspect to say the least, which is what really keeps this leak from being more interesting. Still, the Xbox specs are a perfect match, so what can you do!
@ShogunRok
I don't envy you all at Push Square "Tower", having to create news when Sony is so quiet. Good job on keeping it interesting.
@lacerz Haha, thanks! Even if it's quiet we don't want to get desperate — we generally try to report on things that we find interesting to begin with, and hope that everyone else feels the same.
@No_Cartridge @Zombie9ers @parvaz1 @ShogunRok I saw CU numbers and frequencies estimated in those ballparks from several other sources for the best part of a year. The Xbox was rumoured at 12tflop last April, then later they had its GPU at 56 cu's (with 4 disabled for production) with testing showing it around 1.7ghz at the time. The 2ghz rumour for PS5 has bee around for a long time but usually paired with 36 cu's.
I'm in no way saying he just got lucky but that there was a lot of information out there already which pointed very closely to what we have ended up with. He may well be correct in that the PS5 is more powerful, I'll just say that all of the evidence I've come across suggests otherwise
@carlos82 You're right, it's entirely possible that it was an educated guess based on the rough numbers we had at the time. Along with post history it's pretty much the main reason I'm sceptical. We're gonna have to wait and see, I suppose.
I hope the specs are right as it matches the gpu speed that was found online. However I did hear on a podcast from someone who claims to have a source that Sony was aiming for 13.3 tflops but due to heating issues they may lower it. I hope the ps5 is more powerful just to see the reaction on certain xbox fanatics. However if aiming for 11-12 tfops would prevent a loud console then i would prefer that.
So I've now heard 3 different rumours re PS5 vs XBX
1. PS5 TF > XBX TF
2. PS5 RAM > XBX RAM
3. PS5 SSD > XBX
Can they all be true?
Xbox Series X confirmed final specs as of 3/17/2020...Today
CPU: 8x Zen 2 Cores at 3.8GHz (3.6GHz with SMT)
GPU: 12 TFLOPs, 52 CUs at 1.825GHz, Custom RDNA 2
Die Size: 360.45mm2
Process: TSMC 7nm Enhanced
Memory: 16GB GDDR6
Memory Bandwidth: 10GB at 560GB/s, 6GB at 336GB/s
Internal Storage: 1TB Custom NVMe SSD
I/O Throughput: 2.4GB/s (Raw), 4.8GB/s (Compressed)
Expandable Storage: 1TB Expansion Card
External Storage: USB 3.2 HDD Support
Optical Drive: 4K UHD Blu-ray Drive
Performance Target: 4K at 60fps - up to 120fps
Who cares about power it's all about the games
@Nakatomi_Uk Power is what the games run on, they're more than a bit related.
@Jaz007 Yeah and power is what the Xbox 1 apparently had and what did that achieve nothing more than a halo, gears Forza machine and that's it. They had to actually make a console with better specs to actually get better resolution and graphics. Yet Sony didn't do that for PS4 because it sold on games and games alone. If you want power you could easily make a extreme high end pc but I won't go into that because this is consoles. You ask really anyone waiting for next gen and they would want 60fps guaranteed for one thing and 1080p or 4k for that matter but to get even the best FPS at 4k your going to need high end hardware again the ps5 and X series will do that for about 2 years then be obsolete by year 3 because hardware moves on and consoles are limited to upgrades
@Nakatomi_Uk The base PS4 is more powerful than the Xbox One. And some of the exclusives have squeezed that power and are little better off at this point because of it. I mean, yes, games need more than power, but more power is a good thing. It’s why I don’t want either company to have lower-end machine available. It’s gonna be bad for the next-gen towards the end unless it just stops getting supported earlier.
I know it comes down to the games in the end, but if a developer has access to more power on PS5 that can be the turning point to come out on top. Xbox really botched the launch of their system but didn't the PS4 have the better looking games? I only game on Playstation systems so my memory could be wrong on that.
@Jaz007 Oh i agree they need to do one SKU only I don't believe in the multiple SKUs because it's like old days when PC ports came across to console and were inferior. But this case it would be there own fans who invest in the high end been limited to the lower one and the lower ones being limited to the best experiences just make one and if it's high priced it will still be bought
so, PS5's GPU is either 9.2Tflops, 10-11 Tflops, 13.3 Tflops, or 14.7 Tflops depending on which "rumour" is flavour of the month?. so can assume that until sony announces what it actually is, throwing at numbers on a dartboard is as accurate as any other source?
@leucocyte I just got 177 on my dartboard, does that count?
come on SONY!! We want to see and know PS5 specs.!! Stop fu**ing around
Its funny that Digital Foundry got it wrong based on Github rumour. Sex was supposed to be like 56 CU in their video.
Also funny that they said Series S instead of X by 'mistake'?
Honestly not worried about it’s ‘power’, I just want backwards compatibility. It’s not a lot to ask.
Whatever the PS5 specs will be in terms of teraflops, they will be close enough to the Series X that I don’t think there will be a very discernible difference between the two.
Although I am interested in eventually seeing a comparison in load times, especially with the way Sony has been talking about their custom SSD.
Well one thing for sure xbox is not playing around this time.,. They got all those studios! And now this... Let the battle begin. So far it looks bad for Sony. Rumour about delay!. And we in the dark. When they announced something then we can say for sure they back
xbox 12.1 or ps5 13.3, it dont matter because 3 year later there will be a improved pro version of both consoles that will double that.
@carlos82 - you must be waiting on the PS5 MvG edition. for me, one dart is stuck in the wall, one is in somebody's pint, and the other is a random number somewhere on the board.
@No_Cartridge we all realize how cu's x speed = tflops and how math days it could only ever be certain combinations and with even just knowing 12 tflops the rest can be guessed very easily.
@DeepSpace5D people said similar about the PS4 and Xbox one but the YouTube videos and all the news was about how cores platforms ran better on PS4 vs Xbox one.
I remember so many stories about 1080p vs 900p and such. Every single release it was the same stories.
It does matter and it will have an effect.
@Arnna ps4 you'll get no doubt the rest? I except you'll be hearing a lot more about Playstation Now!
@ReyLeija yes the Playstation 4 looks so strong now but back at launch it was only xbox's pounders and lack of power that got them so far behind.
Every other story was how such and such game runs best on ps4 and the whole full 1080p vs 900p comparisons we saw with each and every big release...
Like I've said this stuff does matter and has shown to have an effect.
Games do matter most hut when ps4 and Xbox one launched I never played or cared about anything Sony would have coming and only got a ps4 after last of us remastered came out and I wanted to try it.
@Cybrshrk PSNOW has never been available in my country. Which is garbage.
@Cybrshrk Xbox has garbage exclusives the reason Sony is so far ahead is the quality of the exclusives. Better games and more of them. Not just halo and forza.
@Nakatomi_Uk ps4 was always the more powerful console and Microsoft shot themselves in the foot by having lesser powered hardware along with requiring a 100 dollar add on device from the get go (not to mention the used game fiasco).
It was all of this and then the stories every week about how such and such game runs best on Playstation and the whole 1080p (ps4) 900p or less (xbox one) situation was thrown up in every reviewers video.
@DeepSpace5D load times need to be improved. ‘Fast travel’ in open world games like far cry takes a ridiculously long time. Not just those games but many of the latest games.
@Nakatomi_Uk people only say this when they expect to have the weaker hardware.
Games are #1 to alot of us but to many its where can I play such and such game at its best.
In early ps4 and Xbox one days every video or story was about how this game runs at 1080p on ps4 and only 900p on Xbox one or the best place to play call of duty, madden, battlefield, etc, is on Playstation.
This stuff mattered amd to many it affected their decision on what to buy.
Trust me it was launch titles like knack or ryse son of Rome.
@Futureshark no I only suspect the storage to be better but we will find out soon enough.
@Arnna today I agree completely but I'm talking early days of 2013 when things were much closer and most hadn't moved their higher power of ps4 along with the lower priced made many people's choice easy. The it wasn't about exclusives really then most were just worried where they could play call of duty or whatever at its best.
The whole 1080p vs 900p thing was burned into my brain in every review or video put out back then.
Yes by the time the pro and one x came about everyone had settled in and no one was switching at that point just for power.
But from a clean start and before anything has been really put to its pases many lean towards performance in the games they already play and the cost.
If Sony is still somehow cheaper they'll probably lose very little ground if they are the same price and Xbox shows better performance in every cross platform I suspect many won't have a problem jumping ship. Especially those that were originally on Xbox all the way up to ps4.
. They've got a whole library of old titles from Xbox and 360 just waiting to be played at higher res and better performance than they ever saw back then.
Heck they've added HDR to original Xbox games at this point.
@Cybrshrk
From everything I’ve read, there are areas where the Series X has the advantage over the PS5, and areas where the PS5 has the advantage. It’s not going to be a clear cut winner and I think the resolutions played will be the same across multiplats. We will find out soon enough tomorrow.
@Arnna
I think you will be pleased with both consoles improved load times with their custom SSDs, particularly so with PS5’s.
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