Call of Duty: Modern Warfare Has a Gruesome Easter Egg for Sadists

Jeez, with how realistic games are getting, if you can actually stomach repeatedly shooting a baby then you definitely have a few screws loose.

Depends, I've heard that baby has evil looking eyes...

Is it a Bridge Baby?

Game should wipe all your progress in the campaign if you keep shooting the baby

The times I've been sat on a bus with a bawling brat and wished I could do that. 🤣

There's a name for people like this. Rhymes with runts.

But this is gamings next big issue. In games like GTA kids are nowhere to be seen - and for good reason. With graphics approaching photorealism it's a big worry that this latest 'shock marketing' is even a thing.

There shouldn't be an option to shoot a baby. The gun should do that thing when you are speaking to an npc in other games and your gun doesn't shoot.

@nessisonett I threw a grenade at the baby, it could have been ISIS.

@themcnoisy Are you calling for it to be censored or banned?

Just courting controversy to look edgy. Pathetic. Literally NO reason for this to be included at all. Screw 'realism' or trying to portray the horrors of war. There's no place for this. I hope they reflect on this and patch it out.

In other games dev's have stopped players from being able to shoot particular NPC's, just greying out the reticule so you can't fire. No reason at all to not apply the same rules here.

That shouldn't have even been in the game!!!! No Russian was bad enough, this is a line that should not have been crossed. F**wits.

@oldschool1987 Censored? Is that the alt-right’s new favourite word that doesn’t start with n?

We've all been desensitized.

Fix the article. You can aim & shoot at the baby but you can't actually hit the baby. At all.

@oldschool1987 why is it even in the game?

Yea it's all debatable stuff.
However
However
Remember it's all just pixels and dont go crazy avenger hero insulting people because they push buttons on a controller.

@nessisonett Disagree. If a game allows you to do it why not... It's not like you are committing the murder in reality, it's all pixels, games are still games and looking realistic is something else than feeling realistic. And by that, I mean REALLY realistic, like feeling messed up if you did it.

They are collating all this data on you so if you repeatedly shoot a baby or even civilians they will be adding your name to some kind of register. Like a virtual Good Place scenario. We'll all end up in the Bad Place but to what degree?

There's an option in a computer game to shoot a baby.

But the baby's mother is an immigrant.

Somewhere, a Daily Mail columnist's head is exploding

@themcnoisy because they wanted to be edgy? Ask them. But it's their game, they can make whatever that want, they have free expression even if we don't like it. Just don't shoot the baby, unless you can't help yourself?

@oldschool1987 Labelling someone leftist and a Nazi in the same paragraph is quite an achievement, well played

@Neolit claps

They're not consistent, one of them just called me a white nationalist for asking what he would like to be done about the level where you could shoot the baby... I don't know how he came to that conclusion 😂just don't shoot the baby, but I feel like he can't help himself.

@Gremio108 I got labelled a white nationalist for no reason, I was just playing his game. Funny how you only took issue with me labelling someone?

And the Nazis were socialists, which is left wing. Hitler also hated Jews. I'm sure that pretty left wing as well, look at the Labour party in the UK.

Ah, I see a comment where you randomly name dropped Daily Mail 😂You're the same as that other guy who likes to label people Alt-right. And no, I don't read that stupid rag, before you try that one. Which you woop, because you lot on the extreme far left see everyone with a different opinion as right wing. Same goes for the far right.

Sounds like they're trying to resurrect that good ol "No Russian"-style controversy with this sequel.

Not really onboard with calls for censorship, though. It's not like real children are being harmed. If this makes you uncomfortable, don't purchase the game.

@Neolit I forgot all about that 😂

Still can't get over I got called a racist for asking a simple question about the baby level, these people are unhinged, man. I was just after a genuine debate. I personally don't think it should be censored, I believe in free expression, even when I don't like it. But that makes me racist and Alt-right now 🤷‍♂️

@oldschool1987 "And the Nazis were socialists, which is left wing"

Excellent point. Although I'd argue their left-wing credentials took something of a knock with the systematic slaughter of millions of people.

Nice Easter egg. Honestly, I'm glad they are trying to present what a real soldier might encounter while on a mission. Sure it is deplorable that you can kill the baby, but if it didn't let you it would not provide a true sense of realism which is a big selling point of this Call of Duty.

@Gremio108 so left wing people can't kill people? K. I mean Stalin, Mao? Countless communist and socialist regimes. The left can be just as abhorrent as the right.

This isn't important anyway, I just took issue with being called a racist over a game...

@oldschool1987 "so left wing people can't kill people?"

Of course they can. I'm not here to tell people who they can and can't kill, that would be very left wing of me

I didn't see anyone shoot the baby so why is everyone so upset? What about other games that show dismembered people, heads chopped off, blood all over. Why aren't more people reacting to those kind of games?

@Gremio108 that's not how it works, I'm not right wing, I'm on the left, but I have Conservative family members and they care just as much about people as the left. Empathy isn't dictated by the political compass. Historically speaking more people have died under left wing politics, like communism and socialism, than right wing.

But I don't want to have this debate on a gaming article. Take care.

@oldschool1987 Wait, this is a gaming article??

@oldschool1987 disagree, no idea why you think freedom of expression = shooting a baby. Expression in a game played by kids (which it knowingly is) about shooting babies?

I don't know how you get your kicks but for me thats over the line. As I mentioned in another article about awful content - we are on the cusp of photorealism. You want to see dead babies and stuff like that? You can see wartime content in the news which is done in a far more sophisticated and mature way explaining the disaster. It disturbs me massively seeing that poor Kurdish lad covered in burns, and the news did a great job of horrifying the reality of war. Rather than a first person shooter with tea bagging for the lols shooting babies.

@Enigk

Someone has been watching too much "The Good Place" lol. Fork

@Gremio108 😂😂apparently lol

@themcnoisy dumb comment. Freedom of expression is whatever they choose, no matter how much it triggers you. And so what if kids play it when they're not supposed to? That's not their fault, that's the parents. The game is rated accordingly. Shall we just ban all horror movies because kids might see it? Derp.

And if you learn how to read, you'll see I said I personally don't like that you can shoot a baby, but I defend their right to make the game they choose. You can strawman me all you want, and pretend I like dead babies, and full on lie about my intent, but that just makes you look bad, not me.

Don't like it? Don't play it, and go cry elsewhere. The only baby here is you. You do not have the moral high ground, no matter how loudly you scream you do.

I won't reply to you anymore, you're clearly unhinged and a liar. So I'll let you have the final reply, I won't read it though.

So its okay when we massacre an entire village in GTA 5 like they're dominoes. But point a gun at a baby is where we draw the line?

The game punishes you for shooting the baby. Emphasizing it is a bad thing to do so why is this an issue?

Soldiers do murder babies in real life to spare them a life of hardship when their family just got killed in a drone strike. It is called "Modern Warfare". Just because you aren't exposed to it doesn't mean this doesn't happen on the battlefield.

@Netret0120 I'm a veteran, luckily I was never put in a situation with kids involved throughout my tours, but I do know people have intentionally used a child as a shield. None of my friends ever shot the kid though, like some people here are suggesting.

@oldschool1987

Now imagine this game gave you the option of using a child as a shield.

The Media would lose its mind! But you're free to chop off limbs of adults. That's fine. Lol

@LN78 I'm not saying you're on to something, but the other day my son told me Hitler's 'tache was actually an inverse goatee

@LN78 well yeah, they were indeed.
Nazi is short for National Socialism (or at least that’s what I think it’s called in English going by a straight, literal translation).
It shouldn’t come as a surprise, as, just like another commenter said, China, Russia, and also Cuba are great examples of socialist regimes.
If you think about it, any regime looks like one another, regardless of being born of left- or right-wing ideals, because, by the time those in power have absolute control, ideals won’t matter anymore.

@Netret0120 that's DLC lol

@clvr National Socialism isn't the same thing as socialism. The name was an attempt to appear less right-wing, by using populist rhetoric.

Thank goodness that tactic wouldn't work these days.

@LN78 fascism is can be left wing, it's the worship of the state. The left are for big government, full state control of the economy, over people, speech, everything. Its left wing. So we're the Nazis. I'm sorry you don't like the mirror that's being held up to you.

Politics is circular. If you move far enough to the left or the right, you end up in the same hateful place - you just hate a different group of people.

Here in the UK, for the last 3 years, we've had (some) lefties wishing the older generation dead and branding them Nazis/racists for supporting Brexit.

@oldschool1987 OK cool master of the forums. I am against this and as mentioned in my original comment, you can have the usual method of not shooting npcs.

No idea why you said this;

'won't reply to you anymore, you're clearly unhinged and a liar.'

No idea where or how you came to that conclusion. I'm not the one who enjoys shooting babies. I've seen the other comments and the a-typical diatribe of strawman, nazis and blah blah blah. That's unhinged I simply commented about a real issue for gaming going forward your the one choosing to call me names. You openly mentioned you threw a grenade at the baby so how am I a liar?

@LN78 nah, it just goes to show your teachers were partisan hacks. Which I'm not surprised by, too many teachers are trying to brainwash their students with communism.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_fascism

@LN78 I’ll admit I’m not a history buff and my knowledge is quite limited, but as an Italian dude believe me when I tell you Fascism was not electorally unattractive, quite the opposite.
Also, as @Gremio108 rightly points out, there isn’t just one socialism, as it grew and evolved over time. Of course it was bound to be super radical at the beginning with Marx and Engels, but then it was tamed over the years. I mean, there was a movement in Italy literally called National Socialism way before Hitler, and it tried to bring the two concepts together.
As I said, I’m not an expert, but we don’t have to fixate on arbitrary traits like “right-wing” and “left-wing”, as many of these political movements change over time in the process of gaining power. I mean, there’s no denying Russian communism was managed in a right-ish way, what with gulags and the millions of politically uncomfortable people killed in there. It’s hard not to draw a parallel between that and the way Nazis wiped out a lot of people, and even the way they got to a position of power.

@themcnoisy OK, I'll bite this one time because you're clearly an idiot, and your lies are pretty frustrating.

I haven't even played that level yet, I don't even know if you have grenades on that level, I don't think you do. I was joking to see if someone like you would get upset over a joke.

You want to ban media because it upsets your weak feelings. Man up or don't play it. Stop acting like an authoritarian lunatic.

Keep lying, you Alt-left lunatic. Goodbye.

@oldschool1987 Just from the link, I can tell that's not the actual Wikipedia you're linking to. Just a heads-up

@LN78 My history teacher used to shoot babies. Now I don't know what to believe.

@Gremio108 it is lol. Click the Wikipedia logo at the top and it'll take you to the home page. Appreciate the heads up anyway

@oldschool1987 Ay alt left? At no point have I talked about politics. I'm saying it shouldn't be in the game, or rather the option to pull the trigger should be disabled at that point. It's 'shock marketing' and completely unnecessary.

You can call me names all you want, I don't know you and hope I never do. You are confusing left, right, up and down like inputting the Konami code.

@oldschool1987 The Wikipedia logo at the top is probably a link to the actual Wikipedia, in order to make it look like the real deal.

@LN78 Hitler consistently denounced capitalism and always went on about Jewish conspiracy, his hate for the Jews is very similar to the rhetoric from the Labour Party.

I think you're in denial about Hitler and the fact ye had some left wing views.

Like I keep saying, I cba with this conversation, it doesn't matter if Hitler was a socialist or not (he was), but I have other things to do. Good night.

@Gremio108 dude, it's legit. Go on Wikipedia and go to the search bar and type in left wing fascism. Jeez

@themcnoisy why shouldn't it be? Because you can't handle it? Don't do it then. I'm sorry the true horrors of war trigger you. If its unnecessary then don't play it.... Stop telling other people what they can or can't do, that's very Orwellian.

You smeared me first, saying I like to kill babies and that I'm sick 😂stop acting like the victim.

@oldschool1987 Ha, okay, I'll take your word for it. You've got to be careful though, there's a lot of crazy stuff gets written on the internet nowadays

@oldschool1987 I am a war veteran.

This is my opinion;
Up until now shooting babies in games hasn't been an issue as its never been there. Even the child soldiers in MGS 5 couldn't be shot - with the method I explained. Now a baby being shot is being used as a marketing ploy and that for me is a real issue.

This is your opinion;
I love shooting babies, no idea why you left wing nazi Labour lovers have an issue as it's triggering you.

Come on old-school mate. You have to see this 'discussion' has not run its course. I understand, you are having a bad time at the moment and I apologise for being a part of this bashing which is affecting your ability to reason in a cohesive manner. It doesn't matter which side of the political spectrum you stand, the instance mentioned in the article is just not good. It has nothing to do with politics.

@themcnoisy lol you're such a degenerate strawman and liar. That's not my opinion at all, liar. You're clearly not a veteran... Stolen valour. And if you were, you were probably a chef lol. You wouldn't handle the military, being so emotionally weak as you.

And the irony of your last paragraph 😂this is pure projection lol. You're the one having a hard time, getting triggered over a game and calling for it to be banned, screeching that everyone loves to kill babies....

I need to stick by my guns and not reply to the moron, but you're good at baiting. Final time, laters.

@Gremio108 I agree, pal. Still, I appreciated the heads up

@oldschool1987 "I need to stick by my guns"

That's what got you into this mess in the first place

@oldschool1987 you keep saying final time. This isn't an argument with your ex girlfriend. You keep asking, I will keep replying I am not going anywhere.

Also what's wrong with being a chef in the armed forces? It's the only course no one has ever passed. They are still trained to use an SA80.

You have admittedly told a lie to rile other readers, how can the rest of your comments be taken seriously?

And that leads us to this; So what is your hot take on this marketing ploy by Activision?

@Gremio108 😂😂😂it's that lunatic who's coming off badly here, mate. He's now lying about being military, it's desperate. I just can't be bothered dealing with stupid anymore. He's one of those insecure types that knows I made him look stupid, so he desperately needs the final reply, because he thinks it'll make him look better. I'll pity him and let him have it, I've made him look bad enough.

Me and you disagree, but at least we've been civil about it. The thing that started all this was me being called a racist... Somehow.

@oldschool1987 He's no lunatic, he's a good guy, and there's nothing in his stance on the matter which can be seen as unreasonable or stupid. At the end of the day, if you come into a comments section defending a scene in which a baby is shot at (and to be clear: I'm not calling for the scene to be censored or banned or anything like that, although I do think it's a wee bit irresponsible, not to mention a touch naff - I thought the franchise was past this sort of thing), you've got to expect some flak to come your way as a result. It's a subject which is bound to stir up strong reactions on both sides.

@oldschool1987 I never called you racist. Why talk through Grem? I am right here.

And for your information I am ex military, not that it means anything in the big scheme of things but you talk about the horrors of War from the safety of your phone screen. You are the fanny in this famous five story.

If you don't want to be civil I'm cool with that, however I'm disappointed that your talking to someone who I consider a friend on push about me. Me and Grem have been through a lot earlier this year. And props to Grem for being the legend he is.

@Gremio108 nope, he isn't. And I didn't defend shooting a baby, I defended their right to make the game they want, I defended free expression, even when we don't like it, which I personally don't. You and him have a habit of lying and using strawman fallacies.

I should expect the reaction to defend free expression? So it's ok to call me a racist because I said artists should be able to express whatever they want, no matter how disatateful? OK. No wonder you agree with that lunatic. I never defended shooting babies, I've said countless times I don't personally like it and I won't do it when I get to that level, but they have the right to do it if they want to. That's all I said... You and that lunatic love to ignore that and make it look like I want to shoot babies. It's intellectual lazy and dishonest. Do better.

@oldschool1987
Oh honey - you're not really in a position to be criticizing other people's understanding of Nazism. All you've done here is regurgitate some of the most facile Right-wing talking points about history - and spew vitriol at anyone who dares to point out the gaping holes in your understanding.

But since names are so convincing for you, I can't imagine how confused you are by the Democratic People's Republic of Korea and the German Democratic Republic.

Also: LOL @ teachers brainwashing students into "communism." Your rhetoric evidences that you've been more thoroughly brainwashed than anyone here.

@themcnoisy I'm a veteran😂 You never served, stop lying, stolen valour. You couldn't handle op herrick or op telic.

@Sondheimist I'm not right wing. But everyone to you radical Alt-left types is right wing in your eyes, I guess.

Stay in your echo chamber...

@LN78
Yeah, well... Shirer and Kershaw may have spent decades of their lives researching the Nazi era, but oldschool here knows that Nazi means National Socialism. Checkmate, leftists!1!!

QED, historians!!!1

@oldschool1987 I didn't say you were defending the actual act of shooting babies, I said you were defending the scene in which a baby gets shot. I understand your position.

@Gremio108 I'm defending their right to do that scene. I don't think it was necessary, at all. It didn't need a baby, it's definitely shock value. I'm just against censorship, and being called a racist for being against censorship. If the game doesn't sell well, then they know that scene shouldn't be replicated in other games.

@oldschool1987

Oldschool - I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but your comments are coming off as more than a little unhinged. You've called half the people in this thread lunatics and morons and cucks (LOL), made extraordinarily presumptuous comments about another poster's military experience, and displayed an intellectual arrogance that's not at all justified by the content of your posts.

It might be a good idea to take a break from your computer. I usually find going on a short walk helps clear my head a bit when I start losing my temper online.

@Arugula then the market has spoken and not that many people are truly horrified by it. Non issue then, as with every other faux outrage.

@oldschool1987 I generally consider myself to be against censorship. But does it have to be black and white? Is there not a point where you could be moved to change your mind on the matter? I could live without this scene in the game. If I was playing it through, I wouldn't be fuming, going "Damn it where was the infanticide bit? I can't believe they took it out!"

@Sondheimist 😂Bore off.

@oldschool1987 Retard? You think I called you racist (I didn't) , you say I lied (when you commented about grenading a baby) you are now denying I served in the forces (that's harder to evidence but I did).

Just take a look at how this embrace started. After writing something we'll though out (imo) You commented to me;

'@themcnoisy Are you calling for it to be censored or banned?'

I then replied why is it even in the game?

From there things went downhill quickly. I tried to summarise with if you want to see dead babies watch the news.

I think at this point you took it as a personal insult. Which I was never meant to do, but you were in the midst of talking about all other stuff with other users. I didn't actually read your comment that you mentioned you are ex armed forces too. So again for that I apologise about calling you fanny from famous five. Fair play. I have just Reread the comments from start to finish so let's start again.

I do have an issue with the fact they feel the need to have this in the game, as its A) knowingly played by kids and B) it's a sick marketing ploy.

It's like current day me running over kittens in a C-Class and finishing with a slogan 'let nothing stop you' in a marketing campaign. It's freedom of expression but it's just wrong.

That's my point.

@Gremio108 nah, you have a point. If it portrayed killing children, or paedophiles in a positive light then no, I don't think that's right. But this game punishes you for shooting a child.

@themcnoisy you know what, I know I've been a bit angry, I've been on the defensive since someone else, not you, called me racist for no reason. And I've probably unfairly took it out on you because your comment seemed a little snarky as well, it seemed to assume I like shooting babies.

I'm definitely partly to blame here, so I'll apologise. I was just taken by surprise at being called a racist by that other guy, and it seemed you assumed I liked shooting babies, which as a father I took issue with.

@oldschool1987 True, the game treats you with contempt for shooting the baby. But should the opportunity to shoot the baby have been there in the first place? It's a chicken/egg argument and frankly we could go round in circles all day.

Video games were so much simpler when we were just shooting nazis. Actually, never mind.

@oldschool1987 thanks for the apology, accepted. I totally agree with what @Gremio108 has written in comment 87 too.

Also and I have been thinking about this for ages. If I had my time again I wouldn't sign up, although it has made me who I am today I wouldn't do it if I had to relive my life again and don't want my kids in the forces either. Its a tough one as I was built to fight, my grandad was in the war, my dad was in the Navy and it was kind of expected. When I was struggling with my business after uni I decided to go the afco and the rest is history. Don't get me wrong I had some amazing times, phase 1 and 2 were like being back in college but after that was an absolute cluster, wrong / bad officers, snaggy oppos and then got injured on duty. I was in and out of the hospital in bham with blokes in a considerably worse condition to me, the bed next to me had been hit with a grenade when he was returning fire, didn't even know it until he tried to get off and couldn't walk. His bottom leg was in a cage. The bloke opposite me had been hit by a round through his shoulder and it had bounced around and come out his back, he was on ket all the time. The ward right next had some of the injuries you never hear about, unable to move breathing through a tube etc. What's even worse when I got better and was camping in the armed forces Wing section (Alexandra ward I think) they had a lad on chemo brassoing the outside for getting drunk - he was on chemo because of something that happened in Afghan (he didn't explain it very well but he was not well) and they had him brassoing? Anyway 4 Ops later my leg is pinned up, a lower limbs course and a few weeks later I get medically discharged as my time had lapsed (12 months to mbos) and I was still on crutches and they gave me the grand sum of 17k compo and my family were forced out of the military accommodation. I got depressed and struggled to settle as a civvy. However the one Shining light of this story is during rehab I finished 80 e-learning courses and found Rockstars table tennis. From there I got into marketing and am now doing well after finding Pushsquare and playing some of the best games ever - and building lists of games in the forums to keep my mind occupied with some of the best gamers ever. No ones an alt leftist here, just nice people (most of the time). Nice to meet you old school hopefully next time we can be friends and buddy up on something. Let's not make it Cod.

Yeah, I accidentally shot that baby the first time but honestly, I thought it was a bomb disguised as a baby sort of like in Bioshock where there a baby carriage with just a revolver in it. I mean I already ran into people using human shields so I was ready to shoot anything that moved.

I did want to shoot some of those kids in fallout 3 though they kept calling me mungo and had hats I wanted.

@themcnoisy sorry for the late reply, and thanks for your story, it was interesting to read. Sounds like you went through quite a bit, I'm glad you came out the other end of it 👍

My story is a lot simpler, probably naive, I watched Band of Brothers as a kid, I was in like year 9? I can't remember exactly, and from that moment I wanted to join up, my path was set from then, I didn't want to do anything else! My dad was instrumental in my joining as well, he never served, he was going to but my mum got pregnant with me and he wanted to be around. But he was my biggest cheerleader. Anywya, I saw what these men went through for us, I knew anyway, but something about Band of Brother put it across in a more meaningful way, and even though we live in much better times, I just wanted to serve. I joined the front line, the Royal Regiment of Fusiliers. I served in Belfast, during a few of their July parades, afterwards we got sent to Cyprus, where we mostly kept getting deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan, I won't go into anything that happened, doesnt feel right, but I served with Lee Rigby, he was a friend, if you remember his name? I was with him in Jordan and Iraq when I was attached to C Company. After he went to Drums and I went back to B Company.

There's even a movie about our regiments time out in Afghanistan on Netflix called Kajaki, that I haven't watched lol. They changed us to the Paras, probably because its more recognisable? But I've been in a few dicey situations. I met my now wife when we moved to London and decided I've done enough in the military, I mostly enjoyed my time, but I wanted to start a family.

I don't think anyone here is Alt-left, like I said, I got defensive after being called a racist for no reason. I was just trying to get the same reaction back... Very petty, I know 😂I'm not usually this immature, it just isn't nice to be called something as abhorrent as a racist. I'm glad we've moved on, you seem like a decent lad, and I'm glad we're civil now. Also, thanks for your service.

@oldschool1987 The Nazis were National Socialists, not socialists in the conventional sense of the term.
Socialist would say 'Workers of the world Unite'
National socialists on the other hand take the ideology of 'unity of the people' as a common cause and restrict it to a particular country or ethnic group.
A bit like it's good to be a patriot but how patriotism can be taken to the extreme, and exclude any loyalty of migrants who may have even served in that country's military, police and public services

@nathanSF no, I agree, they weren't full socialist, but they definitely held some of its values. And Hitler hated communism. I'm only saying it isn't as black and white in saying Hitler was far right only. He held values from both sides of the political spectrum.

You got COD btw? What do you think?

There should be a trophy for this.

@Vorlon hahaha

@oldschool1987
Hi, No, not got the game. Still unsure about it - not because of the controversy. Not sure I'm still into the genre. I did buy and play all the other MW and Black OPs. I'm inclined to wait and dive into Cyberpunk 2077 and Beyond Good and Evil 2.
Having said that I might be convinced to give MW a shot.

10/10 would accidentally start a 100 comment war about the nuances of Nazism again