A couple of studios, including Gaijin Entertainment and Hi-Rez Studios, recently suggested that Sony was blocking it from joining the PlayStation 4’s ongoing console cross-play beta – but speaking with Game Informer this week, Worldwide Studios chairman Shawn Layden said that’s absolutely not the case. He told the site that the platform holder is “open for business on this one” and that teams simply need to chat to the manufacturer to get things going.
He said: “All it takes is for publishers and developers who wish to permission it. As ever, just work with your PlayStation account manager, and they will walk you through the steps that we’ve learned through our partnership with Epic on how this works. I don’t believe right now there is any gating factor on that. I think they’re open to make proposals, because the Fortnite thing worked pretty well.”
The problem is that developers say they have been talking to Sony, and it’s been shutting the discussions down. The latest studio to weigh in on the situation is Chucklefish, which recently released Wargroove with console cross-play across Xbox One, PC, and Nintendo Switch. Writing on ResetEra, the company’s CEO Finn Brice said that it had been in constant communication with the Japanese giant about adding the feature to the PS4 version of the strategy game to no avail.
“We made many requests for cross-play (both through our account manager and directly with higher ups) all the way up until release month,” he wrote. “We were told in no uncertain terms that it was not going to happen. From our side, we can literally toggle a switch and have it working. Of course policy work might be more complicated for Sony. [I] just wanted to provide some balance on the issue and say that it certainly isn't a question of developers having not contacted their account managers or having dropped the ball. We were told no.”
So what exactly is going on here? Well, it’d be easy to jump to the conclusion that Layden is lying, but PlayStation is a gigantic company and there may be some communication issues here. Of course, that doesn’t explain why console cross-play is being blocked at the lower level when upper-management seems to think it’s been given the green light. Our view? Sony really needs to get its ass into gear and communicate with its developer partners. Has the Fortnite beta been a success? When will more games join the programme? What is the acceptance criteria?
Enough of this now.
[source gameinformer.com, via resetera.com]
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Here we go again. A major none issue for most PlayStation gamers.
Stick to your guns Sony. You have constantly shown value from the get go for ps plus with free games and savings. Unlike Xbox - £5 to play online and Nintendo - £3 to play online with a crappy 8 bit game. They are trying to turn the argument and I say f£&= um.
I just hope they can sort this out before they announce the PS5 so this can be a non issue/discussion point. Cross play and backwards comparability are two issues Sony can sort out quickly in the PS5 marketing.
Layden IS lying. That’s been clear since rocket league and fortnite “accidentally” turned in cross play
Hmmm. Interesting. Personally I dont really WANT crossplay. But if Sony says they are going to do it then they should do it. It's almost like they only want Fortnite to have it. A Paid Feature Exclusivity deal maybe?
you know if we posted that picture in the comments it would get deleted
That middle finger from Kaz Hirai was well edited. Haha
@FullbringIchigo I found it funny though.
@FullbringIchigo Yeahhh, I think maybe we should relax the rules a little bit for something silly like that.
I'm guessing that whenever it's a slow game news period,devs are just going to bring this "issue" up again to get some attention back huh?
Whatever. It all turned out to be a non issue the moment Sony announced cross play and the world did not care. Heck some of those cross play advocates turned out to not even have planned the feature after Sony said yes so If those devs think we will fall for it again then think again.
Sony is doing good. It's the devs that are bluffing about this just like last time (Bethesda etc)
Welp, @callmegil told me a different story, and I told him the "no crossplay" joke has gotten stale even among Nintendo fans.
Guess some gags just straight-out refuse to die, huh?
The only people who don't want cross-play are objectively unintelligent. And people who think Shawn Layden is telling the truth here are the dumbest of the dumb; he's absolutely, undeniably lying even if he himself doesn't know it. But by all means, Sony can continue their streak of being the most anti-consumer platform-holders and morons will continue to eat it up. Such an ugly circle-jerk
You know, this isn't the kind of attitude that fosters a good working relationship.
Come on, Sony. The fans have been asking for a while. We don’t want to keep playing with elitists who think they’re better than everyone, we want to play with respectable members of our community as well as the gamers on Xbox and Nintendo.
@Shaney oh it is funny but we still wouldn't be allowed to do it though
@DaweezMauiWowee One time someone said “I don’t want cross play because I don’t want that trash tainting my gaming experience.” Awful.
Like you said. the people that will defend PlayStation no matter what are the biggest idiots.
@DaweezMauiWowee assuming you are not joking,then why are you here?
And if you are part of the pro cross play circle jerk then you are not doing it any favours by resorting to insults. That is the type of thing that would make a company refuse to listen to those people. You know if you can't argue in a civil and mature way then why would any self respecting person or company bother to listen to you? And this goes both ways for the anti cross play crowd aswell of course.
Interesting, hopefully someday this can get sorted or so. I’m definitely not against cross play but it is something I really don’t need. Now, if we can get fighting games with cross play then that will get my attention.
Since this article is the first time I've ever heard of developers Chucklefish or their game Wargroove, I think the motivation behind their statement is pretty clear.
Whatever the truth may be.
I imagine it takes ages to get anything approved at Sony.
What they should do is make people sign NDAs when putting games on PlayStation.
If you break it, you’re game ain’t getting put on.
Notice how only Indie devs (+Epic) really care about cross play.
EA have literally just come out and confirmed that no one really demands it for their games.
@jdv95 "pro cross play circle jerk" I think you mean people who aren't complacent yes-men who expect more than the bare-minimum. And there isn't an even SLIGHTLY valid argument for why there SHOULDN'T be cross-play even though many morons seem to think otherwise, so yeah, I'm past the point of being civil. Get intelligent.
Oh Sony , just solve this already . It is just getting worse
@RogerRoger Chucklefish and Wargroove seem to be doing fine.
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2019/02/launch_weekend_sales_of_wargroove_have_already_covered_development_costs
@rjejr @DaweezMauiWowee I stand corrected. Thank you both for the education.
Back under my rock I go...
@OmegaYato Exactly. It's refreshing to find some rational video game fans in a sea of fanboys.
@OmegaYato
The first heart your comment got was mine. And I'm a PushSquare user by proxy, NL is my usual playground. Kind of telling considering what you said. Whatever, you deserve dozens of likes.
@RogerRoger Don't worry about not knowing about it, I don't think it's out on PS4 yet and Pushquare has given it exactly 1 article a couple of weeks ago. And turn based strategy games don't exactly enjoy mass appeal. I'm waiting to clear some of my backlog first, and a sale, I always wait on that first sale.
https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2019/01/sweet_looking_strategy_rpg_wargroove_is_coming_to_ps4_soon
Cross play FU
@JoeBlogs I don't care .just bring more exclusive. and get more first party studios that's what I want.word up son
I wonder if I could borrow the pic as avatar?
@JoeBlogs
Happened to me ages ago. I gave up after they kept growing faster and bigger.
@themcnoisy I don't know where you get your figures from but a year of Gold is £10 a year cheaper than a year of PS+. You also get 4 games a month and 2 of those are yours to keep regardless. Maybe it is more expensive for a single month purchase but for a year Gold is Cheaper and offers everything PS+ offers and more.
I don't want to get into an argument over which is better, which is the best value etc as that is opinion and if you are on either rather than both (as I am), then the 'best' for you is always going to be the one on your platform.
As for cross-platform play, I really don't care either way. I can see the advantages of cross-platform play in that you will have much fuller lobbies, much greater chance of finding a game full of people in and around your locale - meaning that you all have a 'much' better experience with minimal ping.
Its not just this generation where Sony has a decent lead in console sales - although with online PS+, that does drop the numbers of Sony gamers online - still maybe more than their are Xbox One consoles sold - but add in the PC numbers and Switch numbers, that's a big group of gamers - maybe more than Sony online numbers.
Who knows what may happen next gen, Sony could be the 'leading' console or maybe its Xbox which will certainly have the PC users in MS's online numbers. At the moment its Sony vs the Rest of the World as far as online gaming is looking. It doesn't bother me as I said but next gen, Sony could be the 'little fish' and online gaming could suffer as a result.
To reiterate, it doesn't bother me either way as I will probably end up with both next gen consoles from Sony and MS and can decide whether to buy any online games on either console.
@DaweezMauiWowee By "rational video game fans" you actually mean people who agree with me.
@Fight_Sora_Fight Odd. The sentence, "EA have literally just come out and confirmed that no one really demands [crossplay] for their games." is equivalent to the sentence, "The Chum Bucket has literally just come out and confirmed that no one really demands better seating." It isn't indicative whatsoever of the industry-wide demand for crossplay or the supposed lackthereof. Because the vast majority of EA's customers are casual-gamers who buy FIFA and Madden annually and have probably never heard of cross-play.
@AdamNovice No, I mean people who use critical thinking and who aren't morons. Nice try 😂
@rjejr Yeah, things like "indie" and "turn-based strategy" don't exactly grab my attention, but thanks for the link all the same!
@DaweezMauiWowee No YOU think there "morons" because they don't agree with you, there's a difference. The fact you think there isn't any valid argument to no crossplay just tells everyone that your not prepared to listen to their concerns. So instead your resort to insults while latching on to the few that happen to have the same opinion.
This is why some times I hate Sony !
@AdamNovice I've heard all the counter-arguments. They're invalid. Largely because they originate from mental gymnastics about potential cheaters and toxic communites. Neither of which have been issues since Rocket League launched on PS4 with PC crossplay (funny how Sony fanboys were singing praises when this launched but feel the opposite now). And if either of these things became a concern, I can go into the settings and simply choose to play on PS4-only servers. You know, instead of NOT HAVING THE OPTION AT ALL. Again, you are objectively a moron if you are against the OPTION of cross-play 😊
This and brexit are my two least favourite topics that just won't go away. Sooner both are resolved the better whether they happen or not!
@DaweezMauiWowee Lol again with calling people "morons" cos they don't agree with you, just can't help yourself can you?
@MightyDemon82 And just like Brexit you get people on both sides that won't listen to each other.
@AdamNovice I'd say it's far more comparable to the flat-earth debate in that there's an uninformed/uneducated side that somehow thinks their opinions are equally valid.
F*** cross play, but keep whining about it drama queens
@DaweezMauiWowee Whilst I totally disagree with how you're talking to people, I personally haven't seen a good argument be presented as to why cross play is anything other than positive. I'm open to hearing them though.
Cross play from my perspective is surely where we want gaming to go and benefits many.
Dont see why there is such a problem getting this done, if exceptions have already been made to be honest.
The one thing i like about the whole crossplay idea is that some games with online communities would last a bit longer in one big communual area, as opposed to splintered remains that die off... Certainly would give smaller games a fighting chance, with even good ones dying off after a while...
Anyhoo, sounds more like a complete cock-up in communication than anything else...
I don't think an article about cross-play needs the image of a middle finger. There will be enough people calling each other morons, idiots, fanboys and ignorant, there's no doubt in my mind about that.
@Kidfried It's just a joke. Kaz is giving the middle finger to the developers.
@get2sammyb Sorry, I wasn't criticizing this article, nor the use of its image. I actually chuckled at it!
(I totally get why you'd interpret it like that, though. I wasn't clear in my wording!)
@Flaming_Kaiser nope. Because Layden has already said all they have to do is ask. They’ve done that and we’re told “no”. It doesn’t need to be “tested” stop believing everything Sony tells you. It’s ready to go the day the devs implement it. Sony doesn’t want it
@dellyrascal I disagree. I think Sony is “testing” how much money they stand to lose on in game transactions first, and if it’s NOT significant, they will let others do it
@mrobinson91 You're right, I'm awful and name calling should never be resorted to. This is one of those topics that causes me to fly off the handle but I'm not making an excuse on my detestable behavior. But it's such a clear-cut, one-sided argument. The pros far outweigh any potential cons, to the point that the cons are barely even worth mentioning. I shouldn't be able to say "Nintendo is doing this online feature way better than Sony is" considering how much more of a selling point Online play is supposed to be for PS4 compared to the Switch. It's nothing short of pathetic that PlayStation is essentially the face of the industry yet is so behind on a feature that is becoming an industry-standard, like it or not. Just like it's pathetic that the Switch still doesn't have even the most basic communication features i.e. messaging, party chat. Just like it's pathetic that I can't play F2P games on Xbox One like Fortnite or Smite without Xbox Live Gold yet I can on Ps4, Switch, and PC without a subscription
eats popcorn
@YungRupee We have a Flat-Earther 😂
Pretty much Sony’s stance to everybody on the idea of cross-play.
@DaweezMauiWowee Literally less than 10% of the 90million+ PS4 owners care or know about cross-play.
If it’s there- great. If it’s coming- better. If Sony don’t want it- fine.
This is not the hill to die on.
Backwards compatibility on the other hand... .
@Fight_Sora_Fight "If Sony doesn't want it - fine" Yeah, except it won't be fine when the PS5 inevitably sells like poo due to bad PR just like the PS3 and Xbox One each did in their respective launches. And that less than 10% statistic is false, by the way. Largely because whatever survey you're referring to was not filled out by a all PS4 users.
@DaweezMauiWowee The PS3 is the worst selling PlayStation home console at ~88million.
The XBOne will be lucky to hit 60million...Wii U, 15million?
Success & failure are all relative.
If there’s one thing, Sony do better than anyone it’s home consoles.
I’m sure they’ll be just fine, with or without cross-play.
There is one aspect of this that hasn't been pointed out and thats the change to upper management at SIE. It sounded like John Kodera was stepping away from the CEO position so he can focus full time on the PSN side of things. If that's the case then maybe situations like this might get sorted more sooner.
@Fight_Sora_Fight Sony posted net losses every fiscal year for the entirety of the PS3's lifecycle and even a $1.1 Billion loss while cutting off approx. 5000 employees in 2014. What success are you referring to? Sony could easily go out of business if the PS5 isn't a smash hit.
This’ll get sorted because it’s becoming more of a hot button issue and Sony doesn’t want bad PR going into the next console. It’s that simple. I don’t give a fig about crossplay, but it also looks bad when a game is held back from release on only one system due to it. But I don’t doubt that a year from now it’ll be a non-issue.
@DaweezMauiWowee Are you a paedophile?
Because I don't want a completely open system which can't be policed properly by one company putting kids at risk. How's that for a big enough reason for you? Sony have done a great job this gen in an area of the business they had a shortage of experience. As for calling people unintelligent, how about me calling you closed minded, simplistic and a sheep??not nice is it?
It's a PR drive propelled by numbskulls for the purpose of shifting the fact xbox has no bloomin games and Nintendo is so far behind digitally its still operating in 1998.
@BAMozzy sorry Bam, originally live was £5 a month for online play. Microsoft had to up its game to compete with psplus.
Sounds like a load of crap Layden.
@themcnoisy "Nintendo is so far behind digitally" is that why their exclusives are vastly superior in design to PlayStations?
@DaweezMauiWowee You know its the best selling console now? And they make so much refenue now with PSN? And i think you use your opinion as fact with exclusive games.
@DaweezMauiWowee Dude, you should chill.
And I love Nintendo, probably more than Sony honestly, but trying to engage in something as simple as party chat on Nintendo is like engaging in a game of Calvinball.
@DaweezMauiWowee I think he's referring to the fact that PlayStation Network absolutely dwarfs Nintendo's online services in terms of users and revenue. Not sure what exclusives have got to do with any of this.
@Sakisa Read my comments. I've already acknowledged Nintendo sucks at Online anything.
@DaweezMauiWowee which is why they’re considered behind digitally. Heck, the e-shop page itself is a nightmare to navigate for simple browsing and how easily games get buried.
@get2sammyb What do exclusives have to do with any of this? "Xbox has no bloomin games"
@DaweezMauiWowee BTW if Nintendo gets in problem with their consoles its over. Sony is more then a gaming company you know that dont you?
@DaweezMauiWowee Of course an open system has a wider implication for misuse. There's more people with a grey area as to which part of the service has the authority of the account.
It's become obvious you are a clown posting on a PlayStation site when your loyalties lie elsewhere.
@Sakisa So why is "Xbox has no bloomin games" relevant to this discussion either?
@DaweezMauiWowee I didn’t bring that up so got me.
@Flaming_Kaiser Actually, Nintendo would have to have a hundred failures worse than the Wii U before they go bankrupt. Sony is more likely to go out of business BECAUSE they have so many unprofitable ventures outside of the PlayStation brand
Either way, regardless of how people feel about Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony, I think crossplay is an inevitability, if only for PR and game release parity. Regardless about how many people actually care about it, I know I don’t, it’s enough of a negative for people to write articles about that they don’t want it to drag them down when it’s PS5 marketing time.
@themcnoisy "You're loyalties lie elsewhere" I have no loyalty to any circuitboard encased in plastic. Unlike you. If anything, PlayStation is my preferred brand, I'm just not complacent and expect better from them.
1 game? huge online network? no difference at all
@DaweezMauiWowee You've lost me, I'm afraid.
@Sakisa I understand completely if people aren't interested in using cross-play and no one should be forced to. But being against having the option at all is just selfish
@DaweezMauiWowee just leave this here Sony going out of business lol https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2019/02/psn_alone_generated_more_revenue_than_the_entirety_of_nintendo_in_2018
@get2sammyb Really? That's sad. It really wasn't that hard to follow...
@David187 One of their few net profits they've made in the last 15 years. They're FINALLY starting to become a competent business 😂
Judging by the likes of trolls here that probably don’t even have a PS4 and always are concerned about this non issue, I’m really glad that we don’t play with that fanbase .
Sony is doing fine and PS4 has a huge fanbase, if other platforms are struggling, that’s their problem.
@DaweezMauiWowee think you need to read the financial report Sony is doing brilliantly you must be still in 2011 this is 2019 lol.
@PS_Nation Bafflingly dumb comment on so many levels 😂
@DaweezMauiWowee With people like you is why I wouldn’t want cross play, goddamn.
@David187 I read the financial report... And about a dozen others from previous years that YOU obviously haven't... and I'M supposedly the uninformed one 😂
@DaweezMauiWowee Thanks for proving my point.
@PS_Nation you hit the nail on the head starting to get on my nerves a bit here if I'm honest was hoping the back & forth childish stuff would stay on EG IGN. a few trolls are starting to like hanging around like the guy above.
@LightingThor Considering the PS4 user-base (that includes me!) is already populated with a-holes like myself, I'm not sure what you're getting at... 🤔
@David187 Gotta fight childishness with childishness🤷♀️
@David187 Yeah dude, I really like PushSquare, but some trolls like this guy here are a waste. Like you said, it’s on EG or IGN level.
@DaweezMauiWowee Dude, read the atmosphere. This is a Sony centric site, you’re just coming off like a jerk or someone intentionally trying to rile people up at this point. If you’re mad about fanboys...look where you are? Yeah, this place has ‘em. Nintendo life has Nintendo fanboys in droves too. Stop trying to stir the pot.
@PS_Nation Nope. You proved my point that only idiots are against cross-play
@PS_Nation most of them are prb from nintendolife
@Areus Without these trolls, it would be way better.
@PS_Nation you notest they only show up for certain Topics like crossplay or censorship
We can discuss this without insulting each other, folks. There's generally been some good debate going on here, but let's ensure we keep it civil and respect everyone's opinions, please!
@Areus I would also include articles talking about Sony exclusives, there is always an usual suspect attacking the game and exclusives in general.
Days Gone is the target now, next will be Death Stranding and it goes on.
Can we all please press the "ignore" button and simply report you-know-who? Responding to him is what derailing this entire thread. Why is it that every time these topics came up, users that haven't shown up in the longest time started to come out of the wood work?
@DaweezMauiWowee "You're loyalties lie elsewhere" I have no loyalty to any circuitboard encased in plastic. Unlike you."
I have a big loyalty to what Sony did at the Launch of the Ps4. And I am certainly not ashamed to admit the PlayStation brand is more to me than a board encased in plastic. It's culture. It's why I post here and all the more reason I want PlayStation to remain unique and follow its own path. If every game is available on every system we end up with bottom of the barrel graphics, uniformed design with a play anywhere philosophy. That's not exactly the environment for the next HZD or GoW.
@get2sammyb Hope you've got the smelling salts ready for when the mod reads this thread...
@RogerRoger I feel that way about 98% of indie games, maybe 99.9% on Switch these days, it's a shovelware swamp week in and week out, but this one was the rarity.
@themcnoisy Exclusives will always be a thing, and I love the philosophy Sony has with their games and developers as well, they nurture talented studios.
But I don’t think that’d change by opening up the latest Battle Royale or multiplayer game to crossplay either. Just seems to be the direction things are headed with that kind of stuff.
@themcnoisy To be honest, I don't know what the cost is for 1 month of either Gold or PS+. All I know is that 1 year of Gold is £10 cheaper than 1 year of PS+. I always buy a year as it works out to be the cheapest than buying 1 month at a time. Until Sony put their prices up, they were similarly priced - although I did get a bigger discount on Gold with CDKeys. On that site, the difference in cost is ~£9 and even with the discount, the PS+ 1 years subscription is more expensive than Gold without any discount. Gold is still £40 RRP compared to PS+ £50 RRP.
Again, don't want to get into an argument over which is better in any way - so much is subjective but in terms of price for a year, Gold is the cheapest. I had to buy both this month as my PS+ was about to run out this month and my Xbox one was due to run out next month.
MS has only really had to up its game because of PS+ back in the 360 days when it added GwG after Sony brought out PS+. Back then of course, you weren't paying for online access on Sony's system so PS+ was just for games and store discounts. The Store discounts was a 'copy' of what MS already offered on Gold. In essence, both Sony and MS have copied each other - Sony changed PS+ to add in online gaming on PS4 - just like Gold offers. MS copied Sony in the fact that the games offered (XB1 titles) were conditional as long as you keep subscribing at the start of this gen - like PS+ games. The 360/OG games are totally free unconditionally. Point is they have 'copied' each other and MS hasn't needed to up its game so to speak.
Anyway, that's irrelevant to the actual topic of this thread. You know I have no allegiance to either Sony or MS but I just wanted to correct you on the price difference so you can't level that at MS when its actually cheaper than Sony's PS+. The only relevant part though is that you have to pay to play online - which obviously impacts on whether you could have cross-platform play. Without PS+/Gold or whatever Switch is calling their online service, it doesn't matter whether you can play with others - whether on the same platform family or not.
I do think it should be an option because its a benefit to ALL gamers and Games too. More people means more chance to find a match with players much more local to you, faster matchmaking because more people looking for a game, better ping because the players are local so better online matches. If you can't or don't talk to others, it really doesn't matter if you get matched with others on other platforms - what difference does it make as all the other gamers just have an online character with a GT over their head. It doesn't matter if they are on a different platform regardless of whether they are on your team (say Titanfall, BF or CoD) or against you whether in a team based MP or solo based MP like Fortnite or PUBG can be. If you are trying to find a 100 players all local and looking for a match, its much easier if their are 4m people online in that game than 40k. Just remember how difficult it was to get a match in TF2 in the mode you wanted because the player base was far too small so we had to try and find a match in the only mode that had a lot of players. If that had cross-platform play, you may have had a better chance.
Online games are so dependent on a player base that they can die very quickly if they are not populated. People who want to play give up trying to find matches so the game dies but if you have a much larger base because ALL gamers are together, the game will last much longer.
Like I said, I do think it should be an option - for the reasons above. Maybe with the option of picking between your platform of choice or all gamers - that way you can search for matches where everyone is on the same platform and if the game mode, the quality due to poor ping, etc is not ideal, then you can opt to search for matches regardless of platform.
To me, it really doesn't matter either way. I would prefer Cross-platform online gaming - if anything just to unite ALL gamers instead of splitting everyone up. It has NEVER mattered to me who the 'other' players are or their platform choice - at most they are just another GT that I am trying to beat....
Wow, talk about a mine field of a comment section. @DaweezMauiWowee you need to slow your roll man. There's no need to insult and troll with people you don't agree with.
@BAMozzy I get all that but with gold (which I referred to incorrectly) it was a fiver to play online until psplus came along. But I agree with everything you wrote. I know you man your a mate so already know your stance on this.
@Sakisa Your absolutely correct. Hopefully for select games there's a proper rollout.
I can't think of one person I know who owns a PS4, X1, PC, or Switch that cares about cross play in any way, shape or form. If we want to play games together, we play them on their respective platform. How this has blown up into such a clusterf**k is honestly beyond me. Maybe because I have a lot of friends with multiple platforms available to them? I'm not knocking cross play, but I just don't think this is that big of a deal as what it's being made out to be.
@RedMageLanakyn I think that while it's not an issue with the vast majority of players, it is with these developers (especially indies) whose games are dependent on a stable player-base. Cross-play would help with that. In example, PUBG recently have to close some servers because there weren't enough players.
@themcnoisy Cool mate.
When PS+ launched though, you also have to remember that it was a very different subscription service to Gold. The main and really sole purpose of Gold was online gaming and a secondary 'bonus' was better prices on some content in the Xbox store. The sole purpose of PS+ was to get relatively new games with the condition of remaining online and keeping your subscription active. MS did respond to this later by introducing unconditional free Games with Gold.
I know people used to take the mick about the Xbox titles compared to PS+ but at the time, GwG was a 'bonus' and totally free with the main purpose of Gold being the online gaming where as with PS+, the main draw was the games and so they had to make them more tempting, bigger titles and of course could because they were conditional - online was free.
It wasn't until the PS4/XB1 release that the lines were very much more blurred. With Sony, they added the ability to play online (like Xbox) and MS made the XB1 GwG when they started, conditional (like PS+). Both offered discounts in store - Sony's monthly with Xbox remaining weekly deals. I don't know what capacity MS offer for game saves but they are saved in the cloud regardless of Gold and will sync up if you save whilst offline. I know Sony has increased that to 100GB for PS+ users recently but other than the 'games', the number, conditions or not and consoles they are playable on, the two services are very much alike now - but if you own both as I do, Sony's is more costly. In your case, I can see why its more beneficial (or has been) with PS3/Vita games and like I said, if you are on just 1 'family' of devices, then that subscription is more value to you.
I still think cross-play should be an option. If gamers don't want to play with other gamers just because they spent their money on a different plastic box with electronics inside, then they can opt to play with gamers who opted to buy the same plastic box. Gamers that want to play with other gamers regardless of their choice of plastic box should be able to play together in the same lobbies etc.
Its not that difficult a concept and as far as I know, we are ALL gamers enjoying the majority of the same games anyway with just a few 'different' games depending on the exclusives to that plastic box. Its the 'same' games that ALL gamers are enjoying though that will be the ones that should be cross-platform enabled. Its better that the 7.5m (or so) that bought Battlefield V get to play with each other because they ALL enjoy the game rather than split them up just because of the Platform they bought...
@TheMorrigan578 Sounds like a pretty terrible plan for your games if success is based on being able to cross play with other platforms, IMHO.
Come on pushsquare people are calling one another nasty names. All for a non news article saying devs call Sony a liar which is actually a fake news. That's not what they said.
Nobody actually knows what happened in this case and could be any reason.
The pic maybe a joke but it set the tone I'm afraid.
@BAMozzy Sony until now was giving 6 games a month though, so it that adds up to 24 more games a year. I’m not happy that it’s changing though and Gold could overtake Plus if Sony doesn’t provide free games elsewhere.
This comment section is on fire! Rudeness aside, I do agree that cross-play is nothing but a good thing for consumers. It might not be a good business decision, but that's not the point. I've been in arguments online with people that are against it and failed to get their point every time. So you're getting paired against a random Xbox/PC/Switch user, how does that make a bloody difference in your games? None at all.
@Jaz007 True about the 6 games but they had an extra console to support and for many, up to 4 of those releases were often irrelevant if they didn't own a Vita and/or PS3. Most, if not all of those 'extra' games were of 'little' value - if you look at IGN which often compared the 'cost' of the games, the 'value' of games offered on both platforms were very similar.
I am not arguing about which is 'better' or which is 'better value' because both are 'great value' to their target audience. The value to 'just' an XB1 or Just a PS4 owner does make a difference too so the value of each is dependent on consoles owned and whether or not the games, as well as any other features, are 'useful' to the person. If, for example, you only own a 'next gen' console and never buy digital games, then Gold is better value being cheaper and given you 4 games a month - two of which are unconditionally free and often AAA games - albeit older AAA games. If you own all 3 Sony consoles, until this month anyway, and buy a LOT digitally and play online a lot too, then PS+ is a 'bargain' - its totally relative to individual people and their circumstances - hence I wasn't looking to argue about it.
The point I was making though is that the annual cost of Gold is actually cheaper than the annual cost of PS+ so the cost is slightly more and, if you just own a PS4, get less than you do with Gold. The response was meant for @themcnoisy who was berating MS over their charges when he is probably paying more for PS+. The value of each is relative to the individual and BOTH offer great value if you take advantage of everything offered although if you do decide enough is enough and cancel your subscription, you are only left with the memories of gaming online and playing the games - were as on Xbox, you at least get to keep all those 360/OG Xbox games you acquired regardless.
Again NOT looking to argue, BOTH are very dependent on individual circumstances and gaming preferences so the 'actual' value to an individual is likely to be different but the one thing that isn't, is the fact that an annual Gold subscription is £10 cheaper based on RRP and, when I renewed both a few days ago via CDKeys, the difference was £10, but I still managed to save £14 overall on the price of both - £33 for Gold and £43 for PS+.
Looking ahead, unless Sony do offer an extra 2 games for PS4 owners, then on game numbers alone, MS will offer 24 more games over the year and all those 24 will be totally free regardless - and it will be £10 a year cheaper. Again irrelevant because it depends on whether you want all 4 games, whether Sony's 2 games are more 'desirable' to the individual and whether or not the individual takes advantage of the other aspects of these Subscriptions. If I don't want any of the MS games, not playing online or buying digital, but do on PS4 and want the 2 games offered, PS+ will be better value to me - still doesn't change the fact that PS+ is more expensive per year - which was what I was initially pointing out...
Don't care about cross-play but I'll buy wargroove on ps4 if it have cross-save with switch version (already have the switch version).
I think at this point either sony has cross-play for all the game or they will left behind by other developers, especially indies.
@DaweezMauiWowee As per the community rules
Do not use profanity; Use of unsavoury language including profanity and swearing is not acceptable, please remember that this website has users of all ages.
So let's watch the language please
Thanks for understanding
@Tasuki Out of curiosity, attacking others by calling them "dumb" is fine, it's only profanity that's an issue?
Serious question.
Sony need to make online play free again, I'm pretty sure they won't lose any ps plus subscriptions if online is free once again.
I've never met someone who actually cares about this.
@themcnoisy Sorry my friend, but the nanny brigade isn't exactly a positive imo. I personally think our freedom of speech is already being cracked down on too much as-is. Unless you'd like most messages in games to look like: **** *** **** **...
Switch plebs can keep crying about cross-play, but you can't change the fact that switch sucks.
@PS_Nation
It's worse than IGN level. It's Gamingbolt level.
Distorted news from ResetEra Sony blame devs, devs say its lying type of misinformation.
In the quote the devs are actually trying to be conciliating but the article title they say 'Sony is lying' with a flaning pic.
I like Pushsquare too but precisely for that reason it's fair to say this is not right.
Edit
This is the proper tone
https://twitter.com/XboxP3/status/1095411450045173762?s=19
@misterMike You are aware that was 3rd party devs doing that because the ps3's architecture was a complete mess to design for right, hence they charged people because dedicated servers on the ps3 were built specifically for the ps3 platform. You must be truly clueless to not understand that fact.
Btw the only reason Sony is charging for online is because morons were willing to pay for it. Sony isn't doing anything differently with the ps4 online that they haven't done on the ps3, they just decided to charge for it with no added benefits!
@themcnoisy
Ps plus has never been good value. Yeah paying £50 a year to get discounts...great value. Cloud saves pointless. Games are not free if your paying for them.
....WInchester.... pint.... blow over....
@hotukdeals Ive paid £150 altogether for psplus which doesn't run out until April 2020. I was having a choice of 4 or 5 games a month over the last year (I own a vita) which has now stopped unfortunately. I have 120 psplus games in my PS4 library which I will play. That's £1.25 a game and 14 months still to go. How is that not good value? How?
I rate this comment section 4 out of 3 donuts.
I would say im not a vocal minority. But a minority none the less. I don't care about the major games, the Red Deads or annual sport games or CoD. But there are a lot of little indie games that intrigue me that i would probably buy or spend money on if they had cross play because i know after a while these types of games lose a lot of their userbase. And i have a PS4, which has done we well this gen, but denying it to these smaller devs games basically means me feeling like i have backed the wrong horse this gen. And coming from someone who owned a Saturn, Dreamcast and Wii U, at least with those consoles i got the feeling like Sega and Nintendo were trying. Here (on this issue) i just see Sony arrogance. Of course the PS4 is successful, and there are heaps of games to choose from, but any time i see a game of interest come up and see that it is on the other consoles with crossplay, i get that feeling that i made a mistake getting the PS4 this gen. A hard feeling to shake.
@jdv95 Right? I find it funny that people even bring up nonsense like that when they do the exact same thing with other users who agree with them. It's a two way street. If someone was complaining to me in that type of manner and language, I wouldn't even give them the time of day. smh
@DaweezMauiWowee Ahh, then I guess we can rule you out then. Thanks for the clarification.
@DaweezMauiWowee I don't care about cross-play as I don't game online. I also don't care if it's a thing. Doesn't phase me. Regardless of why you are so irritated, it's no excuse to fly off the handle, and people will point out the immaturity and it's rightfully deserved. No matter where you are, people will have a different opinion, and whether you see no reason why people don't want cross play, that doesn't mean there isn't. What you see as objective, isn't at all. It's still subjective. Just because they don't see what you don't, doesn't have any bearing on their intelligence, especially when they are debating in a civil manner. I get we have bad days or some things that are said get under one's skin, but if you feel that way, it's usually best to not comment at all until you feel you can keep it together without going on a negative tirade.
Also, just for your info, you're on ignore. Looking at your history, you're not exactly a person that is interested in mature debates. Have no room for negativity. Good luck.
@themcnoisy at least cloud saves are free on xbox
@misterMike No, DLC in its entirety was a precursor to microtransactions and lootboxes, get your facts straight.
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