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FullbringIchigo

@MaccaMUFC i thought so

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BAMozzy

March's 2019 Games with Gold lineup for Xbox One includes: Adventure Time: Pirates of the Enchiridion and Plants vs. Zombies Garden Warfare 2. For Xbox 360 owners (and through Xbox One backward compatibility), March kicks off with Star Wars Republic Commando, followed by Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance.

I can't say I am enthusiastic or excited by ANY of these 4 games. I will add all, except Adventure Time as I can't see myself having any more kids that may get some 'joy' from this. The other 3 may come in useful if I ever get 'desperate' for something to play after clearing my ever increasing backlog and numerous other free games (both from Gold & PS+) that are infinitely better than these...

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FullbringIchigo

@BAMozzy yeah the XB1 games are not very interesting and as for Republic Commando and Revengence i already have those so i guess nothing for me this month

EDIT: actually they are quite bad when you think PS+ got Modern Warfare Remastered in March

Edited on by FullbringIchigo

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BAMozzy

@FullbringIchigo CoD4:MWr isn't exactly a 'big' AAA title from this generation - not even as 'expensive' as PvZ:GW2 was. It was initially a 'bonus' for buying a certain edition of a CoD game built for this generation of consoles and then eventually offered as a 'cheap' purchase for everyone months later. I have it because I got it effectively free with CoD and the Season Pass that came with the version I bought.

The Witness is not a game I want either, better than Adventure Time to me but neither are wanted regardless. Compared to For Honor and Hitman, and no more PS3/Vita offerings, this is a weak/poor month for me with PS+ - at least 3 of the Xbox games will be added to my library compared to none from PS+ - although that's partly because I already have CoD4 and its been ruined by micro-transactions and additional weapons etc. Campaign was worth replaying of course...

Each to their own but I think MS has a better month than PS+ - if not for the value, or the diversity then certainly on quantity.

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Frigate

@BAMozzy Agreed. The generally positive reaction (here on PS) + is getting is actually kind of shocking to me.

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FullbringIchigo

@BAMozzy i meant to me it's a better month because out of the XB games i already have 2 and have no interest in the others where as PS+ actually has something i would like to play

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BAMozzy

@Frigate It does surprise me too to a degree. CoD4:MW was a game of the year winner back in 2007 when it released but the remaster certainly caused controversy as it was originally only available with a specific bundle for Infinite Warfare. It still was awarded the best Remastered game of 2016 so I can understand why some may think its a 'great' month for PS+. That being said, some reviews also highlighted the fact that this is a 2007 game with 2007 quality AI with 2007 pacing issues and 2007 MP balance.

It also received a LOT of controversy when Activision/Raven Software (as they did the remaster), introduced Micro-transactions that weren't 'just' cosmetics either. To top it off, the original DLC was then added for gamers to buy - at a higher cost than the original 4 map DLC cost. Those that didn't get the game as part of the Infinite War bundle were getting charged more, not just a bit more but 'double' the price for buying it separately and, if they wanted the 4 extra maps, would be expected to pay almost the price of the 'full' (Minus DLC) CoD4:MW which would take the game up to the price of a new AAA game.

Maybe people have forgotten all of that controversy and money grabbing tactics employed by Activision/Raven Soft, forgotten about all the micro-transaction content added in, forgotten about the price of the extra 4maps in the DLC, forgotten about how unbalanced the game was back in 2007 that because it was new/fresh, we didn't know any different, how a 'balanced' game should be. Forgotten about the fact that Infinity Ward and Treyarch spent the next few years working on things like Perks, Weapons etc to balance and refine the Multi-player - and now its 'worse' because Raven have added more micro-transaction content that also affects the way it played back in 2007...

All people seem to be seeing is that 2007 game with the nostalgic, rose tinted goggles on and the great memories of playing with friends rather than the 2016 Remaster and all the controversy that surrounded it from the day it was announced as part of the Infinite Warfare bundle only, then the addition of Micro transactions that altered its MP, the cost of the 'expansion' pack and eventual release of the stand alone version. The only people I can realistically see being 'happy' with the inclusion of this as part of PS+ is those that were either in a bubble in 2017 or were only interested in the campaign. I would imagine most who 'loved' the MP in 2007/8, would have either bought the more expensive Infinite Warfare bundle (like I did) or bought it 6months later when it released as a stand alone. The inclusion may well bring a few more players online (although most 'CoD' gamers would be playing BO4 I expect) and inject some life back into its MP for a short while. As such, I really can't see why many think this is a 'good' offering..

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BAMozzy

@FullbringIchigo I am sorry, it seemed to me that you were saying that CoD4:MW was reason enough to beat any/all of the offerings from MS this month. If you already have 'all' or most of the Xbox titles, then I can understand why PS+ may be personally better to give you a game you didn't already own.

I would still add the two older games at least to your 'owned/ready to download' list- even if you don't actually download and/or replay. Those games are 'permanently' yours and if you did want to replay, its easier than sticking in a disc for license verification. I do that with ALL the 360/OG games whether I own them or not. I have well over a hundred games in my 'ready to download' list that I own outright - regardless of my Gold status and its easier than swapping out the current disc in my drive to put in the older disc. You have to download them anyway and can't play directly and if you already have done that, adding them from GwG doesn't 're-download' the game, just adds the license to play to your account so you no longer need to put in the disc.

The two XB1 titles don't excite me I must admit. PvZ may be some fun in Solo or Co-op - MP is a bit 'CoD' and I would rather play a more adult M-Pea shooter. This was a AAA full price game at launch - unlike any of the PS4 offerings this month - that's partly why I mentioned 'value' of the games (inc the 2 AAA full priced older game offerings).

Anyway, I can see why you may be a bit more enthusiastic for PS+ games this month if you have the XB1 offerings you would want.

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Tasuki

@FullbringIchigo MWR isn't exactly a great game now. Keep in mind it's lifecycle was up two years ago now so really all you will find playing now are hackers and modders which in my opinion just ruin the game. Now say if it was maybe CoD: WWII I might say PS+ is better but for me at least neither of them are good this month.

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Kidfried

I think no one who is excited about the Modern Warfare is actually excited for the multiplayer, but the campaign instead. That was great in 2007, still remains that way and also has been adequately remastered. What's not to like?

Also, while this game was included with one of the Call of Duties, most people didn't buy that game and it's still 40 euro everywhere.

Comparing a game's price to the price "it once had" doesn't really make sense. Who cares what that game's price was in 2016? For those who don't have the game yet, it's important what the price is now. And the price of MWR now is twice that of GW2.

Garden Warfare 2 by comparison has:

  • servers that are way more dead
  • is cheaper, only 20 euro
  • has no excellent singleplayer campaign
  • is full of EA greed (which is worse than Activision greed even)

And The Witness is one of the best games of this generation. That game alone beats the complete offering of Microsoft.

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JohnnyShoulder

Yep I'll download MWR for the outstanding single player campaign. Couldn't give a toss about the multi player.

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Jaz007

@BAMozzy COD is cheap? It’s $40 new and $35 used. It’s not cheap at all.
I’ve wanted to play the campaign in the remaster but not enough to pay $35 so it’s good deal for me. I still have big issues with only 2 games though. That’s just robbery.

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JohnnyShoulder

@Jaz007 He could be referring to that MWR was on sale on the PS store recently in Europe.

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FullbringIchigo

@Tasuki @Kidfried yeah i want to replay the campaign, don't give a rat arse about the multiplayer

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BAMozzy

@Jaz007 I am talking about just the CoD4:MWr game - not the Infinite Warfare game with/without the MWr. On Amazon UK you can buy the Legacy edition (bundle of both) for ~£10 and just the MWr for around £17 so I would recommend buying the Legacy edition unless you just want MWr and the ability to 'trade' it afterwards.

I know there was a LOT of controversy of the Price of MWr stand alone version as well as the 'Variety pack' DLC. I know many expected the DLC included at the price of the Remaster which, as I said above, was controversial and angered the community. It was 'double' the price that those who bought the 'Legacy' (both IW and MWr) paid for MWr.

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crippyd

It seems Master Chief Collection is going to be available on Steam shortly. Any ideas what this means for MS's direction? Are they moving away from consoles as SEGA did and becoming purely software providers?

I wonder if the next lot of consoles will be their last?

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BAMozzy

@crippyd I don't know to be honest. I just think that MS probably won't put so much emphasis on the actual 'Hardware'. I almost expect them to make a 'console' (or at least a 3rd Party Xbox branded console) much like they do for their PC's - the Surface range.

I can see them continuing with the console 'format' but Xbox will be a much bigger more encompassing brand. Its going to be more like 'windows' in essence - where you can get Xbox on multiple different hardware - from Console to PC to tablets/mobiles etc. Your 'Xbox' profile can be used to log into ANY device and have access to ALL your 'digital' library to play anywhere on any compatible devices. Xbox won't be locked to a single plastic box of electronics that sits under your TV but 'virtually' anywhere.

Whether that means they continue to make the console hardware - like they continue to make Surface PC products, I don't know - although they could also enable 3rd Party manufacturers - like Acer or HP - to make a 'console' type, Xbox branded box of electronics that sit under your TV and allow you to play all your Xbox branded software on. All games, PC & Xbox could become available as they all run on 'Windows' based systems.

Some may see it as them pulling out of the 'console' race but others may see it as they are transcending beyond 'just' the console space - making Xbox available on many more devices, enabling Xbox gamers to game 'anywhere'...

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crippyd

@BAMozzy Interesting thoughts. It'll be good to see what happens in the near future with them and the Xbox brand.

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BAMozzy

@crippyd Listening to MS and the fact that 'Xbox' now applies to their entire gaming branch, they even changed the name of their collection of Studios from Microsoft Studios to Xbox Game Studio's. Xbox now isn't 'just' the console, its the entire gaming branch of Microsoft - inc ALL their studios.

They have been working to merge the MS PC gamers and Console gamers into one big user base - initially that was Microsoft Gamers - but the world were still seeing these as 'different' despite the fact that they were both Windows 10 based community and shared the same type of 'Microsoft' account. PC gamers, whether they accepted it or not, were playing in a 'virtual' Xbox - just had a range of specs so still kept that side of the PC space but it was essentially a 'virtual' Xbox which looks like it will be more 'clearer' moving forward. Microsoft are not looking at 'fixed' base platforms but that Xbox can exist on any platform or 'none' - otherwise known as the cloud.

Xbox therefore could be as 'big' as Windows 10, as big as any app etc in terms of User base. Its not just locked to how many Xbox branded plastic boxes they sell, but as big as the number of Microsoft powered devices there are, as big as how many Apps (or however they decide to allow mobile devices to run your Xbox) - its as big as how many users have an 'Xbox' (Microsoft) Account. It seems that if you have an Xbox/MS account on a Switch, you could play your Xbox on the go - maybe even if you have an iPad or iPhone too...

Like I said, I can still see MS (maybe even let HP or Acer as well) to make a 'console' type box for people to play their Xbox games. Its no longer about that 'box' anymore but about how many Xbox accounts they have. That means if they do bring out 'new' hardware, they are NOT starting again, not having to build up a 'new' user base like they used to do with each new generation. They have a MASSIVE user base on a wide range of devices.

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BAMozzy

April's 2019 Games with Gold lineup for Xbox One includes: The Technomancer and Outcast: Second Contact. For Xbox 360 owners (and through Xbox One backward compatibility), April kicks off with Star Wars Battlefront II, followed by Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter 2.

All I can say is that this is quite an impressive line up this month. Technomancer looked interesting but not polished enough to warrant a purchase at launch - but for free I will certainly be adding it. Don't know enough about Outcast myself but looked reasonable in this trailer so adding that too. Certainly adding both the older gen games - the OG Xbox version of Star Wars Battlefront 2 - and still playable online too - and Tom Clancys Advanced Warfighter 2 - both totally Free with no conditions (other than having an active Gold subscription to be able to add them but after that...)

Personally I think its a Great Month - could have been better but also a LOT worse - its 4 games that I don't have on XB1 - at least not without digging through storage to find the older generation games to download onto my XB1...

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