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Rudy_Manchego

I have decided to keep Gamepass as I am trying to reduce the money I spend on games and this year already I have played a couple of games and tried several more. With Shadow of the Tomb Raider added (which I nearly bought in the sales) I will keep it going a bit longer. I will also give Crackdown 3 a go because the only thing I'd lose is download time.

Now I may be an idiot, but there's one thing I am not sir, and that sir, is an idiot

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BAMozzy

@JohnnyShoulder The first was good, the 2nd wasn't and the third looks 'meh' to me. I watched 1 match of MP too and that was not something that interested me at all. The 'destruction' was particularly poor and certainly not as they had intimated. It looked like destruction you would expect back on the OG Xbox.

I know 'graphics' aren't everything but it really looks dated. Look at how well Agents of MAYHEM did, if you even remember that game now, and that looked to have a more varied and more interesting game-play loop. I wouldn't be surprised if the only people that play this are those that get it via Game Pass or the few that will pick it up when the price crashes. A near future GwG game!

I think MS made the wrong decision to cancel Scalebound and keep putting money into this!!!

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BAMozzy

Also, in case anyone wasn't aware, Microsoft Studios is no longer called this - its now Xbox Game Studios and this is coinciding with the fact that Microsoft declaring that 'Xbox' is its gaming brand across all devices, expanding beyond a console focus and including PC and mobile in the mix. That means they can say that their 'exclusives' are Xbox only.

Its been obvious to me that their games are 'Microsoft' only yet some still say that they are not exclusives because their games can be played on PC. Often the same people that were listing Nier and Hellblade as Playstation exclusives (double standards) - yet the MS exclusives required PC owners to set up an 'Xbox' type Profile and buy from Microsoft Stores as well as have a Microsoft Windows 10 PC.

It doesn't bother me at all as it only matters which games I get to play and couldn't care less that others get to play them as well. For MP games, the more people playing, the better. It means that there is a bigger lobby to ensure I get to play with more local people, better matchmaking and have the 'best' ping. The big advantage of cross-platform play too.

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FullbringIchigo

@BAMozzy yeah i took it apart and fixed it, i had to re-solder the wireless adapter back in (those years of Mechanical and Electrical Engineering paid off )

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FullbringIchigo

@BAMozzy you know give it a gen or 2 and i can see MS not bothering with a console of their own and just putting XBL on all the systems (which Sony would probably allow if there wasn't a competing XBOX console)

and it would probably make them more money too

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JohnnyShoulder

@BAMozzy Funny you should mention the OG Xbox, as someone else said that. I thought all the fancy cloud processing was supposed to be handling the destruction in MP?

We are now in a world of people being offended for other people who they think should be offended, who arent offended.

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BAMozzy

@FullbringIchigo Cool, I wouldn't know where to begin but at least it saved you a lot of Money. MS would probably charge you £100+ for that, plus any shipping costs if its over a year old. Almost as much as buying a 2nd hand replacement.

I have said that about MS having 3rd Party built 'consoles' in the future. Consoles made by HP or Acer as they do gave a 'good' relationship with MS. So many people think that the 'console' is important as to who makes it but in reality, its predominantly just the device to play their (and other's) games on and a LOT of the parts are not made by Sony, MS, Nintendo etc.

Xbox started out as a 'console' shaped PC and its name came from DirectX in a Box - which became DirectX Box, and then finally Xbox. It makes perfect sense to me that MS supports ALL its customers - whether you are using a first party device (Xbox, Surface etc) or third party (HP, Alien, Acer etc) - as long as you are buying into MS and have an MS Profile (also known as your Xbox Gamertag/profile), you have access to any Microsoft games. Some people can't get it in their head that the PC and Xbox hardware are NOT separate Hardware when it comes to MS games - whether you are playing on a 'fixed' spec console shaped device or a variable spec PC shaped device, its still 'Xbox' especially now that MS have renamed their studios and officially announced that ALL their gaming side is now 'Xbox' regardless of Hardware you opt to play on. Before the Rebrand, the MS PC gamers were essentially playing on a 'Virtual' Xbox with variable specs and therefore have to optimise the game themselves. That's why you can play 'digital' MS store bought games on both PC and Xbox, your cloud saves also mean that you can be playing on PC, save your game and then start up your Xbox and carry on playing. Its because you are playing on a 'virtual' Xbox and why you have an Xbox profile, can party chat and play with anyone regardless of their Hardware. Its different with Steam of course as that is a separate thing from Xbox on PC.

We all know that its very difficult for manufacturers to build a console with the specs we expect and at a 'console' price point. All you have to do is look at the Playstation 5 forum thread about the price point they expect and then also expect 18GB RAM, Zen 8core/16thread CPU, at least 8x (14-15Tflops) the GPU power of the base PS4, total Backwards Compatibility (not even the Xbox 1 offers that), a 4k HDR Bluray player with HDMI 2.1 to offer Dolby Atmos, VRR, HFR etc and 4k/60 10bit full RGB and HDR, a Solid State Drive with at least 2GB of storage etc all for £400 and certainly no more than $500. I know I have mixed the currencies here but as the price is normally based around the US Dollar, they expect the price to be no more than $499.99 or £450 in the UK. £500 would equate to around $640-$650 - although as we get the raw deal in prices, that would most likely be priced between $550 & $600 which is still far too much to spend on a 'console' in many peoples eyes. Factor in all the transportation costs from factory to wholesaler and then on to a retailer, all those extra handlers all wanting their 'cut' of the profits - even if its 'pennies' per console in some cases, its not surprising that some consoles are sold at a loss to the actual manufacturer or at the very least, they break even until the price of components drop.

Anyway that's a bit of a digression - the point was that for console manufacturers, the device they play on is not that profitable so if you can pass that on to a third party (or third parties), then you are not taking that risk, that hit and can be more profitable on software and subscriptions. The third parties may well be competing and therefore you can end up with 'better' devices being released relatively frequently. I know some will still look at that as a 'console' rather than as a piece of hardware like a mobile phone, iPad/laptop or even like separate pieces of hardware, for example GPU's & CPU's which get released 'yearly'. Just because say HP releases a better piece of hardware than the one you bought a year ago, doesn't mean you have to buy it - much like the PC space that doesn't have to buy the latest GPU/CPU's every year to keep gaming - you just buy into the 'hardware' at a time that's right, when last years are going much cheaper because the latest is out for example and game on that for 3-6yrs and then upgrade and carry on gaming with ALL your library exactly as you would on PC's with replaceable parts. You don't have to buy the latest CPU/GPU every year, you just upgrade when you want/need to. You don't have to buy a MS 'Surface' PC to get Windows 10 and all the MS PC software so why not let 3rd Party hardware specialists build your multi-media gaming PC in a 'console' shape and MS can focus on what they have done for years, OS and Software.

@JohnnyShoulder I haven't seen anyone really talking about Crackdown 3. I watched one video, EvilBoris, the guy who does HDR analysis on his and HDTV's youtube channel, playing one match of Crackdown 3 and the destruction is 'POOR'. Battlefield 3 (2011) has better destruction and polygonal holes blown into buildings really does look like OG Xbox/PS2 era destruction. An RPG type blast on a floor looked terrible - it wasn't circular but made up of a few straight lines and no indications (like burn marks, debris etc). It really looked dated - especially compared to the destruction we see in the latest Battlefield.

I do think that with the time this game has been in development for (nearly 5yrs since its E3 reveal), this game should look much better and much more akin to that E3 trailer. I know they made promises around the destruction, even if the message was unclear about it being more for the MP despite the reveal indicating it would also be in the main game - something I really couldn't see working as the 'Agent' is meant to be clearing the city of crime, not of buildings, also they are supposed to be the 'good' guys and destroying the city would deprive the innocent of homes, shops etc. From a gameplay perspective, it would also ruin the rooftop races, the hunt for all the orbs etc. It just didn't fit. Even if you could destroy the odd building - the crime lords base - its immersion breaking because of the inconsistency.

I don't know if you watched the cloud based destruction Demo that MS released - showing how much more destructive elements and particles that would allow at a higher frame rate back in 2014 that was shown off. It was this that MS decided it would suit Crackdown 3 'proof of concept'.

However, this is far better than what I have seen so far of the Crackdown 3 destruction. Even this is very 'polygon blocky' but you still get debris. 5yrs on, you would expect more refinement to this, not look worse.

Crackdown was a great title and one of my favourite games back on the 360 in the early days but I would rather play that again than this - it seems a step back although that could also be more because games have moved on a lot since 2007. As someone who doesn't subscribe to Game Pass, I won't be buying this at or around launch. It maybe something I pick up when its price has crashed down just for some nostalgic 'fun'. But with games like Metro, Anthem, Division 2, Days Gone etc coming out in the next few months too, as well as my back catalogue of games to play, it may be offered on GwG before I think about buying it - not that I would complain if that does happen....

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FullbringIchigo

@BAMozzy you mean kind of like what a Steam Box was but for XBL?, different companies making different versions

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Tasuki

@BAMozzy @FullbringIchigo Well the whole reason MS entered the console market was cause at the time console games were outselling PC games big time. But let's remember this was when internet gaming was at it's infancy. In fact Xbox is short for Direct X Box.

I think switch the name to Xbox Game Studio also is due to the rumors of Mobile and Switch integration of Xbox Live.

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FullbringIchigo

@Tasuki it feels like the first step in a plan to move to a software based service with XBL integrated onto every gaming machine, that's why i think they will eventually drop from manufacturing consoles themselves and instead put XBL on P.C, Nintendo, Mobile and eventually PlayStation (i think if XB wasn't making a console Sony would probably allowing it on PS)

i can honestly see the Scarlett maybe being the penultimate console or even possibly their swan song console and then moving into a digital distribution service (which the PS6 would probably be anyway, assuming we get a PS6 that is)

"I like Star Wars. It was young King Arthur growing up, slaying the evil emperor finally. There's nothing wrong with that kind of entertainment - everything doesn't have to create a philosophy for you - for your whole life. You can also have fun." - Gene Roddenberry

Tasuki

@FullbringIchigo Well MS did originate as a Software company after all. I don't think it will be a as big of a shock if MS were to stop making consoles and just concentrate on software like it was with Sega.

I can see as XBL just becoming a digital marketplace for multiple systems and consoles say like Google with movies.

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FullbringIchigo

@Tasuki to be honest they would probably make more money doing that

"I like Star Wars. It was young King Arthur growing up, slaying the evil emperor finally. There's nothing wrong with that kind of entertainment - everything doesn't have to create a philosophy for you - for your whole life. You can also have fun." - Gene Roddenberry

Tasuki

@FullbringIchigo That and if they were to do that it will be a huge step forward in the cross play field.

Imagine I own a Nintendo console you own a Sony and someone else owns a PC but we all buy say Madden from the XB Game store boom we can all play with each other.

Not only that but make a contract with XB Games and systems like Nintendo will get a more robust third party library.

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FullbringIchigo

@Tasuki it is certainly an interesting development, i'm actually looking forward to what it could mean

"I like Star Wars. It was young King Arthur growing up, slaying the evil emperor finally. There's nothing wrong with that kind of entertainment - everything doesn't have to create a philosophy for you - for your whole life. You can also have fun." - Gene Roddenberry

Tasuki

So I am thinking of picking up an external HD for my Xbox One, problem is I am not sure what size. I have a 5tb for my PS4 as that is my main console but my Xbox One I use mainly for exclusives and MP games with friends who only own Xbox Ones. I am planning to get Anthem here to play with them. And the majority of my games I will be getting for the Xbox are Game Pass games and GwG.

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FullbringIchigo

@Tasuki thing is if you haven't turned it off any game that is XB1X Enhanced will also download the 4K assets so games can be quite big (FFXV for example is 100GB on XB1 with all DLC while on PS4 it's only 75GB) but still saying that if all your doing is buying exclusives and games your mates have then even with Game Pass and GwG a 5TB like you have on PS4 should be fine BUT if i remember correctly you can have 2 installed at a time so you could always add another if needed

"I like Star Wars. It was young King Arthur growing up, slaying the evil emperor finally. There's nothing wrong with that kind of entertainment - everything doesn't have to create a philosophy for you - for your whole life. You can also have fun." - Gene Roddenberry

BAMozzy

@FullbringIchigo I don't mean just like the Steam box but maybe something similar. Other 'licensed' companies - like HP and Acer - could make a 'console' designed box - maybe with or without a Disk Drive so you have a few different choices on which device you want to play your Xbox games on. I can see at least one device including a Hard Drive - especially for people like me who have a big library of physical games that I expect to be playable on the 'next box'. I think that MS will continue to make a console - much like they make a Surface but also others will make a 'licensed' alternative too. That may well fit in with their E3 comment about 'consoles' - plural. They may well drop out of the manufacturing of consoles entirely and have others make the hardware under license with an Xbox logo/branding.

In all honesty, their future consoles are most likely going to be more 'multi-media' PC's in a console shaped box and designed primarily to sit under the TV and offer multi-media functionality - like Bluray player with Atmos audio. The primary OS will still be Windows 10 based and we have seen MS add Keyboard and Mouse support so its already becoming more a multi-media gaming PC that is stripped down to just the gaming/multi-media aspect - not a PC for office, word etc.

Its clear they are looking to merge ALL their Gamers together - whether that's Xbox on console, PC or mobile. They are not splitting these up so the hardware is more of an enabler to play your games on. The brand of the hardware isn't important any more because everyone is an 'Xbox' gamer whether that is on a console, a Laptop/Tablet, a mobile or desktop PC. All their games are playable on any of these devices essentially - maybe a few won't be playable on some devices due to the hardware limitations - playing Halo 6 on a mobile phone for example may not be an option but you could play it on PC and/or Console without having to buy the games multiple times.

I don't necessarily think we will see the 'end' of consoles - maybe the line between what a console and PC is will be blurred - If you have a more horizontal based PC designed to run primarily on a TV as opposed to a monitor and with 4k HDR Bluray player and other multi-media capability, you basically have an Xbox. I wouldn't be surprised if they do eventually become more PC like - the ability to have Software more associated with PC's - like Office, Word etc - even if they built primarily for gaming first. I don't know if those with Alien gaming PC's are used for much more than just gaming - even though they could be. I wouldn't be surprised though if the difference between an Alien PC and a 'Xbox' Console is minimal in the future - just one being designed to sit under a TV and the other to go on a desk.

It would be great if you could buy ANY brand of console and play ANY games on it. MS and Sony would still get money as the publisher and maybe offer subscription services like Game Pass - much like you can subscribe to Netflix and Amazon on the same device. They wouldn't have to make consoles and sell at a loss (or minimal profit) although you could see Sony or MS built hardware - like you can find Sony or Samsung Bluray players.

Who knows what the future holds but I can see a time when MS aren't the only branded console type device to play Xbox games and other parties could be licensed to make console type devices to play Xbox games. We are nearly there now as you can 'build' a horizontal PC with a Bluray drive and connect it to your TV, play Xbox digital games with an Xbox controller so why not buy a 3rd party manufacturers to make a multi-media PC and use that under your TV now? You could get a GTX2080ti i9 PC to play Xbox games on now - although most 3rd party games would probably be on Steam but the point is, you already can have a PC under your TV with access to all the 'newest' Xbox games so its not to far fetched that this is an insight into the future - except the next box would have to allow you to play all your existing Xbox games and maybe not allow you to access Steam for example.

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BAMozzy

@Tasuki You can add up to 2 HDDs as long as they are 256GB or more. You can add two 8TB USB 3.0 HDD drives and increase your storage up to 16TB's. However, once its formatted, you do lose some of that - you don't get a full 8TB from one. Its up to you though how much extra storage you think you may need. I have a 5TB on mine and that's got all my games on it - not 'every' game but most of the Physical disc based games and a few GwG/digital games - I still have quite a bit of space - several TB's

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FullbringIchigo

@Tasuki i always found that it's better to go with the bigger than i need option, just in case, say if i need 2TB's i'll get a 4TB HDD

"I like Star Wars. It was young King Arthur growing up, slaying the evil emperor finally. There's nothing wrong with that kind of entertainment - everything doesn't have to create a philosophy for you - for your whole life. You can also have fun." - Gene Roddenberry

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