Topic: Nintendo Switch --OT--

@Ralizah Yoshi looks really cool, it could be a really interesting game like Captain Toad.
@Octane Switch's future looks great.

@PS_Nation I should also mention that I can't imagine we won't get an upgraded Smash 4 port next year. A port of Bayonetta 1 & 2 has also been HEAVILY teased on Twitter by Platinum, as well as a potential sequel to The Wonderful 101.

I thought Yoshi looked thoroughly mediocre, but I'm sure there'll be an audience for it. It looks like a step back from Yoshi's Wooly World, imo.

My system has been failing to wake from sleep mode until power is held off for 12 seconds and cycled.

Seem problems are becoming more and more apparent with age. Id skip this until the revision personally.

@BLP_Software No issues with the sleep mode so far, but mine is slightly bent and the screen protector won't fit perfectly because of it, it's a bit annoying.

@KratosMD Announced and released quickly after the Wii U came out?

Mate...over 4 years aint quick. Thats N64 to Gamecube, GBA to DS, given the average console lifespan is 5 years...thats not bad.

At least the system isnt straight up bricking, red ringing, yellow lighting, catching fire, failing to read games, can be bricked during a day 1 4 hour update.

@Octane I have no idea what causes that but its not heat or the dock (As again, no pressure to force the bend when docked). Probably just some variance in manufacturing. Even my phone isnt perfectly straight.

@BLP_Software Doubt it's the heat too, cause I haven't used it more than a few hours. The bumps in the dock did slightly damage the screen though, but it's on the bezel, so it's only noticeable when the light hits the screen at the right angle.

Nothing rushed about the system on a hardware level. Some small number of systems have issues during in launch year. That's the same for every modern console since last gen.

@KratosMD Absolutely incorrect. A tiny number of people have had issues with launch units (which happens with every console), and concern trolls used these complaints to create public hysteria about issues that were either overblown or non-existent to begin with. The only big complaint that was verifiably happening with some launch units was the joycon disconnection issue, which happened because the joycons were apparently missing a piece of conductive foam.

The amount of trolling that happened around the Switch launch was nuts. Unfortunately, I think it's a reflection of the growing toxicity of Western gamer culture in general.

@KratosMD For once I agree with@BLP_Software 4 years is not early at all. Besides I wouldn't be surprised at all if they were working on the switch along side the Wii U.

@Ralizah @KratosMD Its a problem yes, but its recent, and will most likely be patched out really fast, as they've done several times. Its just a little oddity, but again, if this kind of thing is a huge turn off in the off chance it happens...don't buy it until patched.

@Tasuki I think they said it started late 2014/early 2015? Heck, we know companies begin work on the next thing immediately so who really knows. Given Nvidia was working on it since 2015, and Nvidia was pitching their chips to companies for ages, I'd suggest the concept from Nintendo was as early as 2013.

Heck, it's the culmination of years of work, the tech is finally right to do it. Who really knows how long its been on the drawing board. But 4 years is a long long time to develop tech. In fact, 4-5 years is about right.

Nintendo starts working on their next console as soon as their newest one releases, so the Switch has been in development for years. Additionally, the system is getting a number of projects that have been in the works for years.

All launch consoles have manufacturing issues and dud units that need to be addressed. There just isn't usually non-stop trolling surrounding these consoles when they launch.

@KratosMD Out of all the units sold so far, how many individual cases of bending screens have there been?

Now work that out as a percentage. Cause for concern? I think not sadly. Especially as this happens to all devices of this form factor. Its a nature of heat flexing. Hell, it happens even to consoles. Flexing due to heat was what caused the red ring of death! The benefit here is, phones and tablets, and the Switch, as well as later revisions of the Xbox 360, have a plate installed to maintain shape. It heats up, flex. It cools down, it resets. Simple stuff.

And I don't know if its literally been all over the news. Ive yet to see it on the BBC so...

And I think @Ralizah put it best. Remember the PS4 has no games launch and how long that persisted? People want any reason to feel big, and Nintendo is a very easy punching bag. In fact, if the narrative isn't "No games", which will be tossed around for years to come, its "Too many games and its oversaturated".

Furthermore, another narrative around Switch that will never die is that they undersupply if sold out, but that no one is buying it if one is a shelf for more than a day and its doomed. Or even funnier, the "We need to wait and see before we can establish how its doing". I can tell you now that that little line wont disappear even 3 or 4 years in because itll still be too early and sales "can drop off any day now".

@KratosMD This does seem concerning, it's all well and good for people to say "people are using Nintendo as a punching bag" like a major corporation needs forum defenders. The fact is when people pay good money for a product they have the right to expect that product to be in full working order over a long period of use, let alone less then one year.

@KratosMD Im saying its not widespread. If it was 3% of systems? 1% sure? Then itd be a problem. But its not. Its 10s, maybe hundreds. Realistically how much is that in the grand scheme of things now with this issue?

As for the joycon issue, fixed. That variance has been resolved in production.

The odds of something being technically wrong with your system upon purchase is very slim. Does a bend damage functionality? Nope. But it happens.

It happens and its not widespread. Remember one report shared hundreds of times can seem like hundreds of cases and in the small scale it can seem like a device ending issue until you zoom out a bit and see the rest of the units sold.

And can you guarantee that if I buy another PS4 right now it will be flawless?

@KratosMD Can you confirm to me that same number?

Here is the thing. All we have are accounts. And then they stopped. Then they came up again briefly and save for one or two posts....nothing.

See the thing is, you cant prove its a statistically significant number of units affected to be a concern, or even if bending is a long term issue at all, and I cant disprove it. Therefore, what is the point of the argument?

Until hard numbers come out the paranoia isnt just. I assume you were also freaking out when reports of other systems having issues where rampant at their launches?

And the PS4 by build size cant bend. But can you guarantee there will be no hardware issues? No slipped HDD spinner? No disc drive damage? All of the ports in order? That the controller is fully functional?

Not at all. Just trying to curb the hyperbole a little bit. If you investigate most of the articles being referred to when people talk about "bent Switches," they usually refer to the same small group of reports online. That's not to say it's not happening to some people, but that it's not uncommon for people online to act like a statistically insignificant phenomenon is some major manufacturing crisis. The closest thing the Switch has had to one of those is the joycon thing, and I don't think we ever got any solid numbers on how many units that was actually affecting.

I can't guarantee that your Switch won't have any issues any more than I can guarantee your PS4 won't have issues. That's the reality of mass-production. ESPECIALLY during the launch year.

http://wccftech.com/top-5-reported-technical-playstation-4-is...

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/11/22/xbox-one-early-adopter...

You were just as likely, if not moreso, to get a PS4 or Xbox One with issues in their launch years. It's part of the "early adopter" equation. Small manufacturing issues are ironed out over time for every major system.

@BLP_Software Right you can even say the Wii U was a prototype of the Switch, which means that I am sure plenty of ideas and such were being developed during the Wii Us development time as well.

@KratosMD Ok man you said your piece and @BLP_Software said his let's drop this now and agree to disagree as the saying goes. The point is now hardware is flawless and every hardware be it Nintendo, Sony Microsoft, Apple or whatever has a percentage of failure rate look at the launch Xbox 360 and PS3 for example.

The reason people are making a big deal about the Switch is because it's Nintendo and anything negative Nintendo the Sony and MS fanboys jump on it, which quite frankly it looks like you are doing exactly that.

Anyway I think we are done here now.

@KratosMD Im not denying they exist. Like @Ralizah said it is to curb the hyperbole as stated this happens to every system at launch. But if you look its a handful of reports over and over. There is no denying it exists but there is reason to believe its not as huge a deal as you want it to be.

Im saying it happens. Im saying take caution. But it is not something to be concerned or hesitant over. Now if it had a chance to explode in your hand, then hesitate. But as is? Its part of mass production. Its variance early on that is ironed out and if you dont like that well tough because this is how the tech world works. It wont be perfect from the start and you dont have to be early if its not skmething you are ok with but its also not the end of the world.

@Tasuki It honestly wouldnt shock me. In 2013 the tech for Switch simply wasnt possible. And its come leaps and bounds in such short time. Wii U was the next best thing possible at the time.

@KratosMD Last post on the issue, but one thing to keep in mind: social media is bigger and more people are networked than ever before. It's probably worth considering that more problems are being reported because more people are posting about it.

It reminds me of Americans who say that "the world is getting more violent," even though, at least in America, violent crime is generally decreasing over time. The thing is that, with more and more news sources reporting on things, people hear more and more about this world's ugliness, and thus feel like the world is becoming less safe when, if anything, it's becoming much safer than it was in the past. The availability heuristic is a powerful thing.

Anyway, putting off a purchase to avoid launch issues seems like a sensible decision, and is probably one I would have made if I didn't love the system's design so much.