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KratosMD

So I've had my OG 3DS now for almost 7 years and I've been considering getting a new one since the battery life on it is absolutely atrocious now (it only gets 2 hours of play time), it easily overheats and my circle pad is kinda messed up since playing Kid Icarus Uprising with it. And also because some of the newer games are poorly optimised on it, and I've been meaning to play Xenoblade Chronicles 3D and Fire Emblem Warriors so I'd need a New 3DS to play those.

I've had my eyes on the New 2DS XL since it's much cheaper in price than the regular New 3DS XL but I've also heard that it comes with some inconveniences. So I'm asking you guys if you could give me some tips on which system I should get, either the New 2DS XL or the New 3DS XL. I mainly care about the price point but if the system is going to cause constant inconveniences then I'd rather buy the other one. I also don't care about the 3D effect at all.

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FullbringIchigo

@KratosMD go with the New 2DS XL, most games now a days don't really make use if the 3D function anyway and as for inconveniences i never encountered any on mine unless you count not being able to take 3D pictures but what does that matter

New 2DS XL it's cheaper, plays all the same games and all that's missing is the 3D which lets be honest most of us probably don't use now any way

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KratosMD

@FullbringIchigo I think one of the inconveniences was that the speakers are on the bottom of the system instead of the top so you can easily cover them up with your hands, making the sound more muffled. Maybe that varies from person to person?

Also, the placement of some of the buttons/slots (or maybe even all of them?) are different from the New 3DS. Does it feel like they are positioned in a good way?

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FullbringIchigo

@KratosMD well i always use earphones so the speakers being there isn't an issue for me, i think handheld games sound better through earphones anyway as for the buttons i find them fine to use but then again that kind of thing is different for everyone, for example i find using a XB1 controller for more than an hour becomes uncomfortable but i can use a PS4 for ages with no issue

i suggest you try a New 2DS XL out if you can but if your ok with using a 3DS controls you should be fine with a 2DS XL

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Tasuki

@KratosMD I went with the New 2DS XL when I upgraded. The main factor was the price point and I can't use the 3D anyway due to medical reasons. That being said not to many games nowadays use the 3D anyway so unless you really have to have the 3D effect In would say go with the 2DS.

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Rudy_Manchego

I had an OG 3DS I bought second hand last year but I found it too small and didn't like the 3D. I got the 2DS Xl at release. It is more plastic and flimsy but can't say I have noticed an issue with the speaker and I have put a fair amount of time into it with Samus Returns, Mario and some Snes classics. I think it is pretty good for the money and battery life has been good for me.

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KratosMD

@FullbringIchigo @Tasuki @Rudy_Manchego Alright it seems that I'll be getting the 2DS XL then, thanks for the help guys!

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KratosMD

I just bought the New 2DS XL today and I'm already loving it much more than the OG 3DS. The screens are so much larger and it definitely feels sturdier than the OG one. Absolutely glad that I bought it.

Only annoying thing is that it's taken forever to perform a system transfer from my old 3DS to the new one (since I don't have a computer with a microSD slot) and I'm not even doing a full transfer, only the limited one. Hopefully I'll manage to get some play time with it before the day is over.

I also am looking for games that are better to play on the New 3DS. The first one that I'm considering getting is Xenoblade Chronicles 3D for €35, which seems like a good deal and better than buying it on the Wii. I haven't played a Monster Hunter game so I'm considering trying one of those out as well, but I don't know whether I should get MH 4 Ultimate or Generations.

If you guys have any recommendations for great games that utilise the new features on the New 3DS (or maybe just games in general that you'd recommend), then I'd love to hear them.

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kyleforrester87

@KratosMD Nice. I have a New 3DS XL (the 3D is really cool on it, IMO). The only games I have are Zelda OOT, Bravely 1, Bravely 2 and MH 4 Ultimate.

I got a bit bored of MH4 and Zelda OOT is..Zelda OOT. Bravely 1 and 2 are good, I'd really recommend you try one of those. I'm sort of keen on the idea of getting XBC. And other than that the only game of interest is Samus Returns.

Other than that there isn't a great deal on this system that excites me unfortunately.

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KratosMD

@kyleforrester87 Only reason why I want to try out an MH game is because I've heard that the newer games are much better than the older ones and the only one I played was MH3 Tri on the Wii and that was crap. I hope that I can really get into this series now that I have a good portable system to play the games on (I can't imagine playing MH on the OG 3DS, which is why I never bought any). And yeah I already have OOT, which is great and I'm going to probably finish it on 2DS. I also have Bravely 2 but I'm going to buy Bravely 1 sooner or later as well. You say though that you'd recommend to try one of the Bravely games. I'm guessing then I can play the second game without having any knowledge of the first one?

The 3DS is pretty much the best handheld Nintendo has ever produced and one of the best ones ever made just because it has so many great games. I already have the usual Nintendo ones like Mario Kart and Super Mario 3D Land but its third party support seems to be enormous. So I wouldn't want to miss out on titles that I'd potentially like. And yeah, Xenoblade is one of the reasons why I upgraded to the New 3DS so I need to play that one as well.

Personally, I would recommend playing the Fire Emblem games if you like strategy RPGs (definitely the best franchise in the genre), Pokémon if you like monster collecting (Pokémon Sun/Moon or Ultra Sun/Moon is a great starting point since those games have a feature where it tells you what moves are strong against which Pokémon after you've used the same moves against them, so it's much easier to play those games rather than having to learn a type chart) and maybe the Mario & Luigi games if you liked Super Mario RPG on the SNES. There are three M&L games on the system so there's no shortage of RPGs to play at least.

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kyleforrester87

@KratosMD Yeah you do need to play the Bravely games in order, but there are (or were, assume they are still there) demos for each of the games that you should try. The cool thing is they are long demos (I got nearly 20 hours out of BD2 demo) and they are not related to the actual main game, rather they are mini games set before each of the main games. So you should give those a shot. They might feel a bit disconnected and without purpose but it's a nice way to get a feel for the world.

I did buy Fire Emblem but didn't enjoy it so traded it in. I got the "easier" of the two (I can't remember which) and it was too easy and the story wasn't very interesting. Maybe I should have gone for the harder one! As for Pokemon I tried one of the new ones, i think it was X or Y..again it was way too easy and I didn't feel like spending my time hunting Pokemon and training them up like I did back in the days of Red and Blue.

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Ralizah

@KratosMD MH4U is New 3DS enhanced (higher framerate, better resolution textures, camera controls with the nub, etc.), and it's the better game overall (more challenging, more story content, better presentation, etc.)

I enjoy my New 3DS. The increase in power makes the OS way snappier (nothing like the Switch, but less slow than OG 3DS), and it doesn't have the annoying screen-scratching issue that the original model had. Also, SNES VC is a lot of fun.

And yeah, I agree the 3DS family is Nintendo at its finest. One of my all-time favorite consoles. Be sure to check out the awesome Atlus games on the system (Etrian Odyssey IV and SMT IV Apocalypse are particular classics).

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KratosMD

@kyleforrester87 Ah I see. You certainly picked the easier games of the series to start off with. The one Fire Emblem you got was Birthright and it's probably the easiest FE game ever. However, the second one (Conquest) is ridiculously hard so I wouldn't suggest that one either. Either Awakening or Echoes would be great ones that offer a decent amount of difficulty (provided you choose it). Pokémon X/Y are also probably the easiest Pokémon games just because you have an item that let's you share the EXP among all party members even if they're not in battle, so that sucks if you want a challenge. But I feel like Pokémon Sun/Moon tailor made the games after that EXP Share item so it still feels relatively challenging even if you leave it on.

And you can always get the Gen 2 Pokémon games (Gold/Silver/Crystal, where the last one is releasing this week on the eShop) if you want to play classic hardcore Pokémon and also one of the best gens.

@Ralizah Thanks for the helpful information regarding Monster Hunter. But is MH4U beginner friendly as well? I don't want to get my butt kicked when trying to learn how the game works. Other than that, I'll probably get that one instead of Generations then.

I already got Persona Q queued up (with Q2 also coming out soon). I've had my eyes on the SMT franchise as well. Would you recommend that I start with SMT IV Apocalypse?

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Ralizah

@KratosMD Yeah, MH4U was actually my first MH game. I went back and played 3U, the one on the PSP afterward. Also picked up Generations at launch. It's definitely the most accessible MH game I've played so far. There's a consistent narrative that's missing in other MH games. It introduces the core mechanics well. The cutscenes before fights do a great job of building up to the fights. I would say that it's visually arresting, but that's only with the 3D turned on, as it makes great use of the stereoscopic 3D on 3D-enabled models. I highly recommend it.

Also, Generations is more mechanically complex (with all the hunter arts, hunter styles, etc. to worry about) and has way more gathering missions, which are... kind of boring.

So... SMT IV is a good game, and if you're going to play both, then I recommend starting with it, because Apocalypse is simultaneously a direct sequel to and partial remake of SMT IV. With that said, Apocalypse is a way better game in terms of difficulty balancing, dungeon design, story, character development, QOL features, etc. so, while it might sound weird... if you end up not liking SMT IV because of how brutal it is at the beginning, or how unbalanced smirking is, then don't let it put you off of the sequel. But if you like SMT IV, you'll probably love Apocalypse even more, because it's just a flat out better game. Does that make sense? I don't want to recommend AGAINST playing SMT IV, because it's a fantastic and atmospheric game, but it's less accessible, it's easy to get lost on the world map (which, again, isn't a problem in Apocalypse), and some people don't like the way it downplays character and plot development in favor of atmosphere (whereas Apocalypse's characters are much more engaging and memorable, but the game is less atmospheric overall).

Get SMT IV if you want, but absolutely get SMT IV Apocalypse either way, is what I'm saying. IV --> IV Apocalypse is the best possible way to experience the games, though.

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kyleforrester87

@KratosMD Yep that was it, Birthright. I'm still kind of interested in FE and Pokemon but now I've got the Switch I'll wait and see what they do with these series on that.

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Ralizah

@kyleforrester87 FE Fates is mediocre overall, although Birthright at least doesn't have writing as horrendously stupid as the writing in Conquest. Awakening is a lot more fun, But yeah, now that FE is scheduled for the Switch this year, you might as well just wait to see what they do with it on there.

@KratosMD I played 3/4 of Conquest on Hard/Classic. At some point, I realized that it was so ridiculously hard that I wasn't even having fun, so I dialed it down to Normal/Classic.

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KratosMD

@Ralizah I just saw that MH4U has a demo on the eShop so I'm downloading it now and I'm going to try it out later tonight. But yeah, the way you described Generations makes me feel like I should definitely go with MH4U.

Alright, I think I'm going to try out SMT IV first then. I usually see it on sale on the eShop fairly often for like €10 so I'll just get that. They don't seem to sell physical versions of it or Apocalypse here so I'll have to go digital with this series.

Yeah I think I'm going to play Conquest on the easiest difficulty if I ever come around to playing it. I currently own Birthright and after having played through Blazing Sword on the GBA I don't mind at all playing some laid-back FE games.

@kyleforrester87 Probably a good call, yeah. But if you're interested you can always try out a bunch of demos of Pokémon and Fire Emblem on the eShop, as well as demos for other games. Maybe you'll find something new that you like.

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KratosMD

Got Xenoblade Chronicles 3D today and I've been playing it for around 5 hours. I think it's probably the best game that the 3DS can offer, even though it's a port of a Wii game. It's just so ambitious and addicting to play. You got a sprawling open world to explore, tons of side quests to do (albeit a lot of fetch quests, they do help encourage you to explore the world), tons of collectibles, amazing world building, interesting characters, engaging, unique and fun real time/turn based gameplay and the best of all, an amazing story. It even has 'Persona-esque' moments where you can deepen the bonds with your party members. All in the palms of your hands, it's so cool to be playing a game of this magnitude on the 3DS. If it's one type of game I would've loved on the Vita, it would probably be this one. I can definitely see why people love this game, and the franchise in general.

I also have to mention that I love that the game doesn't force old school JRPG conventions. You don't have any magic (MP) bars to worry about, you have to just wait for your attacks to recharge and you can perform all of them in a successive order without 'waiting for your turn'. And while waiting for your attacks, you just auto-attack instead. You also don't have to worry about organising tons of items to heal your characters because you heal automatically after each battle. You don't have to return to the person who gave you a quest, you just complete it right there as soon as you've collected all the resources or done the mission requirements. Party members get assigned the same level as you when they return to your party. If a party member dies, you can just revive them during the battle by pressing a button (if you have enough bars filled in your 'party meter') and if the main character dies, you just get returned to the last landmark (checkpoint), you don't get a game over and have to start from where you last saved! And also, you can basically save anywhere.

It's crazy how modern this game is even though it was released back in 2010. It's so good! I've been looking forever for a new JRPG to wow me ever since I played Trails of Cold Steel and this one has got me hooked. Love this game!

Oh and the grinding in this game is actually fun because the real time/turn based gameplay is a blast.

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kyleforrester87

@KratosMD Might pick it up yet, then. I do want to play the first one since XBC2 was just awesome. And knowing your taste in games I bet you'd love it too if you ever get the chance to play it.

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KratosMD

@kyleforrester87 Considering that I'm currently loving the first game I can definitely see myself loving the second one. And I think you'd love the first one as well, it's certainly ambitious.

I think though the only major problem I'm having with Xenoblade is that it doesn't seem to have a fast travel option, and the map is huge and you can't sprint in this game. They definitely solved this issue in Xenoblade Chronicles X on the Wii U where they introduced a mech that you can fly around with, which should be extremely helpful. Is there something similar to that in the second game?

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