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BAMozzy

Real Madrid were also lacking Ramos in that match and, as much as I dislike him, he is a massive loss for Madrid. You have to question their 'old' manager too. The loss of Ronaldo can not be the only reason for the results and you don't have the team they have losing some of the matches they have. It would be like Man City losing Aguero and Kompany being out of the team and them just not getting the results.

Its no secret that footballers run the team. If they don't like a manager or believe in him, the Manager gets sacked. We often hear how a 'manager' has lost the dressing room. I know the manager picks the team and works on tactics etc, but if he cannot get the players to believe in him or his tactics, its not them that will get fired if things don't go well.

If you have read the news over the past 10yrs or so, Messi is 'allegedly' dictating things at Barcelona. You will read things like Messi want's 'X' at Barcelona - how much of that is true, I don't know but you can believe that Barcelona would do quite a lot to keep Messi happy, keep him motivated etc. Barca have a massive stadium to fill every match and players - especially if they bring the results in too - are going to be very powerful people to the Directors. If you have 'star' players, you want to keep them far more than you need the manager and, big clubs like Real, Barcelona etc won't be short of managers wanting that job. Its one of the biggest jobs in club football but also one of the toughest. If you get the players working with rather than against, you have a chance of staying in that job - but lose to your biggest rival, get knocked out of the CL for example, you are out of a job regardless.

We have seen it this season in the EPL too - Jose at Utd. Some players didn't like Mourinho and that ended up with him out of a Job. In comes Ole and the exact same team goes on an unbeaten run for weeks. Ole has the best record ever for a new manager at Utd and Pogba has been quite an important part of that run too.

The manager at big clubs has to get the players on side first and foremost to keep their Job. Its not 'just' winning trophies because if the Team are on side, the directors are more likely to keep with the manager. Sacking a Manager is very costly too so its better to put that money into trying to strengthen rather than paying off the rest of the Managers contract. Wenger stayed in the Arsenal job for years because he had the support of the team even if the Supporters were not always behind him. You try and find an ex-arsenal player that has anything negative to say about him. I know people don't generally speak badly about people publicly, but you can tell when people genuinely like some one and those that tend to avoid the subject...

Anyway, QF are going to be interesting - no immunity for clubs at this stage so the English clubs can be drawn against each other...

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Not one English club drawn against one another? It's a conspiracy I tell ye.

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BAMozzy

@Frigate English, like Spanish, German, Italian, French etc clubs will NEVER be drawn together before the Quarter Finals. They all go into different pots in the Groups and first round of the Knockouts (last 16). However, that immunity is now over - English (as well as any other nation - if they had multiple teams in) can be drawn together. The draw takes place on Friday.

If all 4 get drawn together, and then those 2 get drawn together, you would have 1 English Club in the Final. Its still possible that the Semi-Finals could be an all-English situation - but that would only happen if none are drawn together and they all win their Quarter Final.

Its NOT a conspiracy that no English club was drawn together before this round of the competition - they would NEVER be drawn together at that stage - just like none of the German teams (Schalke, Bayern, Dortmund), Spanish (Barcelona, Real Madrid, Atlectico Madrid), French (PSG, Lyon), Italian (Juventus, Roma) and the other two were Porto and Ajax so they were the only representatives of their nation but had there been another team from either nation, they would have been kept separate at this stage of the competition.

Now at the Quarter Final stage, there are 4 English teams and 1 each from Spain, Italy, Netherlands & Portugal. Now there is nothing in place to keep sides from the same nation facing each other - which only affects English clubs this year. Had Atlectico and Real got through, whilst they would never have faced each other in the CL this season, they could of been drawn together in the QF's - a Madrid derby. Its possible we could see a Manchester derby in this years QF's....

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ApostateMage

@JohnnyShoulder Aye, Raheem has had a fantastic season for City. I'd say Son from Spurs is a contender, too.

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WanderingBullet

Favorites to win the UCL?

For me, it's one of these three clubs:

  • Man City
  • Barcelona
  • Juventus

@ApostateMage I'm a fan of Son Heung-min. If Pochettino does go to United I hope he brings Son along too.

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JohnnyShoulder

@ApostateMage Yeah Son has been good for Spuds and I think the votes are done in in something ridiculous like February.

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WanderingBullet

Draws have been made:

Ajax vs Juventus
Liverpool vs Porto
Tottenham vs Man City
Man Utd vs Barcelona

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WanderingBullet

Liverpool fans must be grinning from ear to ear.lol

Dream final would of cause be Barca vs Juve.

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BAMozzy

@WanderingBullet It could have been a LOT worse but there is no easy games at this stage. Porto knocked out Roma and Ajax knocked out Real Madrid. For Liverpool to reach the final, they will need to beat Porto and Utd/Barca - Away leg first. Liverpool will also be the Away team in the Final if they get there.

Barca vs Juve may well be your dream Final, but mine would be Liverpool vs Ajax or even Tottenham. Regardless, all teams have a tough match at this stage. There is one English club guaranteed to reach the Semi final and it could be up to 3 English clubs. Its possible to get an all English final too....

As a Liverpool fan, and have been for over 40yrs, I would love LFC to win both the CL and EPL. Only one of those is in our own hands now but there is still a chance that a slip-up could occur - there are no easy games, no matches that you can 'rest' players now - not if you want to Win one or more of these competitions.

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WanderingBullet

@BAMozzy Yes, there are no easy games (in a sense that you're team still has to perform) but there are definitely weakest/weaker teams.lol As a United supporter I wanted either Porto, Tottenham or Ajax.

It'll be miracle if United beats Barca, which is why is my dream final is to watch Juve vs Barca - Ronaldo vs Messi.

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JohnnyShoulder

Yep well happy with that draw, we got one of the easier teams left. Still, they are a decent team otherwise they wouldn't be at this stage. There are quite a physical side, but nothing Liverpool shouldn't be able to cope with.

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Gremio108

I've always thought Barcalona is secretly the best draw, because if you lose, no-one thinks it's your fault. And if you win, well you've just beat Barca. Of course my team will never get anywhere near the Champions League, so it's okay for me to say such ridiculous things.

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themcnoisy

Not a big fan of that draw. The 4 fovourites were kept apart. Just imagine if we had Juve vs Barca, LFC vs Man Utd, Ajax vs Man City and Tottenham vs Porto. Way better draw.

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JohnnyShoulder

@themcnoisy Isn't that what we want though, the best teams to be in there for longer? I wouldn't want to face any English sides, they are always so hard to call. Normal games against Man U are bad enough, I can only imagine it would be tenfold for a Champers League in terms of hype and crowd trouble.

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themcnoisy

@JohnnyShoulder 'best' I would replace with 'biggest'. And no I want the best games now for added spice.

Everyone's already saying its a Ronaldo vs Messi final. It's just noise, I hope Ajax beat Juve. That's more romantic to me than massaging egos.

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KALofKRYPTON

Not particularly in to football, but after the roller-coaster day of rugby - it was nice to see Wolves put in such a solid performance tonight.

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Frigate

@themcnoisy I'd love to see Ajax in the final. When they edged Milan in '95 feels like an awfully long time ago.

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@KALofKRYPTON Wolves played great. Moutinho is a beast in midfield.

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