Topic: Will the PS5 have some portable element to it now that Sony confirmed remote play and cloud streaming with it?

I am new here but I am wondering if this PS5 would hopefully try to do something like a hybrid with or without a console as Sony has said in their financial meeting this year regarding it. Now that Sony confirmed the remote play and cloud streaming functionality with "seamless" experience with the PS5, is it possible they can at least incorporate a tablet like ps device that acted like a remote play anywhere without a console and not just limited to Android phones and other devices, etc?

What do you guys think Sony's approach to this will be?

Mobile and PC/client based for the Remote Play aspect - PS5 (as with XBONETWO) are iterative designs. similar architectures with more power all-round.

It's highly unlikely that Sony will be putting anymore development in to a handheld beyond the phone business. And they don't even make tablets anymore.

The streaming/Remote Play will be (and already is) a direct competitive feature to Stadia.

@KALofKRYPTON How do you explain this then? https://youtu.be/tyqOnLZOPtc

@Mince

@Chinooker A 5 year old Vita advert?

@KALofKRYPTON There is no reason to believe that Sony is just giving up the portable foray to Nintendo when former CEO John Kodera said that he hinted PS5 will be a portable in some way and did you listen to this guy in that video???

@Chinooker
The video is pure speculation. Not very good speculation at that.
Sony did give up on portable gaming. They gave up even when they didn't really have to.

There is every reason to believe that Sony isn't developing another dedicated gaming handheld. For a start, the immediate question that would be asked, is whether it would be backwards compatible with Vita - because these are the times we live in and that would be a requirement for lots of the target audience. But everything Vita is winding up; the store doesn't get updated, PS Plus is no longer handing out free games, cartridge production stops this year, hardware production stopped last year.

Add to that, that by making their main/only console offering portable - outside of mobile, Nintendo's entire output is dedicated to the Switch. It's a neat little console that has it's corner of the market sewn up. Sony would have to spend a fortune to even compete - let alone make a dent in to the portable space again.

The PS5 wont be portable. It would have to cost at least £600 at launch and have a large laptop form-factor to house the already confirmed specs. It also makes no sense to sell the experience of ray tracing and lightning fast SSD read speeds then later have to downplay that for some sort of Switch style portability that does away with the banner feature set.

Streaming to mobile devices/PCs will be the PS5 'portability'. They want to have a better home experience and comparable portable experience to Strada. They don't need a handheld for that, and they aren't competing with Nintendo.

@KALofKRYPTON https://www.twitter.com/mochi_wsj/status/937931138152120320?r... Never say never

@Mince

@KALofKRYPTON Also if they aren't making a handheld, they can make a DS5 controller have a touchscreen in the middle of that and do most of your portable that way as John Kodera said they have many options for portable gaming after Andrew House stepped down as CEO of SIE and PlayStation and not just remote playing through a mobile/PC when they have not elaborated more on this as they haven't revealed much of the PS5 even since during E3.

@Chinooker thing is that would make the controller REALLY expensive (think Wii U), i think it's more likely that they will just add the ability to stream to your phone or laptop or something, you can already remote play the PS4 on a P.C after all so i imagine it's just an extension of that

@FullbringIchigo Like I said they need to elaborate more on this and not only did they say Android phones but OTHER devices that could as well include their own PS device that they have not revealed yet and Sony didn't really say they aren't making a successor to Vita as the person at a TGS interview named Oda said "currently" meaning not at the present time but it could change overtime. If Sony was really saying they gave up from competing with Nintendo switch the former CEO John Kodera would have to make a announcement to an interviewer that the company as a whole conceded to the portable market towards Nintendo. I just don't believe that Sony is ready to give up on portable gaming which is what John Kodera is trying to convey....

@Chinooker
It's just not likely.

Perhaps mid-gen they may do something more, but I just can't see it.

Even with how Sony mishandled the Vita - in spite of it really, I'd buy a Sony handheld in a heartbeat. Most wouldn't.

I honestly don't think the market as it is at the moment has room for a Sony machine akin to the Switch. Maybe in a few years, but not a straight up portable PS5.

@KALofKRYPTON I just don't like being stuck to Nintendo switch. I want competition is all I am asking.

One thing we’ve learnt from the Wii U and launch Xbox One Is that bundling an expensive accessory with a console as your only option is a bad idea. What you’re talking about may well be produced and sold to those who want it after the 5G network is ready to support it. But it certainly won’t be part of the package that comes with the PS5. Sony have talked about how they don’t think the current mobile phone network is ready for streaming and relying purely on Wi-Fi would be too limited for a portable device. @Chinooker

@Ryall
I'd say that good 4G is plenty adequate for streaming.

The speeds I get through EE are well beyond what Google suggest for the optimal 4k Stradia experience (though the NAT type EE locks to isn't suitable for game streaming) - so I don't think 5G is necessarily the requirement.

The selling and compiling of data packages, now that will be the kicker.

My understanding was that 4G maximum speed was 12.5 megabytes per second and the recommended minimum for streaming was 30 MB per second.

Hopefully the price of mobile data will also fall with the introduction of 5G since as it stands now the cost of the mobile data would probably be prohibitive.
@KALofKRYPTON

@Ryall Never thought of it that way, good point!

@Ryall I get over anywhere between 50-80mps down and 30mbs up on EE fairly consistently.

5G is a bit of a con, it's an unnecessary upgrade for sure.

I will never say never but I think its incredibly unlikely that Sony will build a Hybrid (similar to Switch) or a replacement to the Vita. The deal with Microsoft is much more likely to give Sony the opportunity to compete with Stadia and MS's xCloud by streaming games to a portable device (like a mobile or tablet) rather than build something you can play locally on.

It will give Sony the same presence as Stadia and xCloud where you can play games on any device that are capable of streaming the game (high bandwidth devices) whether that's on the go or on any device (like a TV) that can connect to the servers where the game is actually running. You just sign into your Playstation, Xbox or Stadia accounts and play any digital games you own.

Unless there is some way to transfer your licence to play your Physical games, then I don't expect these to be playable on other devices. This could be more tempting for people to purchase the games digitally - and that would mean buying from Sony's (Xbox or Stadia if you have these) online Store. It benefits Sony to do this, buying direct from them at the 'higher' prices Digital store games cost but the added functionality of playing these games via any device using streaming (as opposed to playing locally) could make more people move to digital game purchases.

Its this that makes me think that Sony won't be making a dedicated handheld (when their Mobiles could be used with streamed games) or compromising on their console by making it a 'hybrid'. I think it would not be worth their R&D to make a handheld to compete with streaming games to mobiles, tablets, laptops, TV's etc.

The big problem with 4G is the total capacity of the cells each one can only support about 1 Gb/s across all the devices within its area. Even using the full capacity of the cell you would only be able to get 330 people streaming within the area of several square kilometres the network just won’t be reliable for that kind of data demand in busy places like train stations. @KALofKRYPTON

@Ryall ah!

That's interesting. How does that scale up for 5G?