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RogerRoger

@LN78 Most games with HDR implementation rely on the PS4's own output settings. On your PS4's home screen, go to Settings - Sound and Screen - Video Output Settings and set HDR from 'Automatic' to 'Off' (you often have to close any applications that are running before doing this, but I may be mistaken in that).

The only time I can remember seeing an HDR setting in-game was Horizon: Zero Dawn. It's certainly a very rare thing to find in individual games.

And yeah, it can often make a game feel a bit "washed out" if not done properly.

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kyleforrester87

Loads of games have HDR on/off switches in the settings. RDR2 has it in the settings under Display right at the top.

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BAMozzy

@LN78 Most of the issues with 'washed out' HDR comes from the PS4 Pro settings and in particular, the RGB setting. Washed Out is a result of a miss-match between Full and Limited RGB. A lot of TV's only offer limited RGB as TV, Blurays etc are all using Limited but Games and PC's can offer Full RGB as do monitors and some TV's. The Pro too can output in both limited and full but there seems to be some issue with having this set to 'Auto' on the Pro. It seems to restrict the games to Limited but tell the TV its sending 'Full'. The way around this is to set this manually on both the TV and Pro (if you can). It doesn't really matter if you set it to full or limited but its most important to set both to the same value. Uf you set one to full and the other to limited, you will get washed out colours and/or crushed blacks. It maybe better to set it to limited if you also use your Pro to watch HDR on Netflix or whatever other App offers HDR TV/Movie content.

Most games these days have some form of HDR setting built in. One of the best is GTSport (according to DF as I don't own the game myself) but that game was also built to work with TV's that could be 10000nits (the target for HDR). I believe RDR2 has quite a basic slider option for setting the level. Its quite important for games to have an option to adjust settings as the performance of HDR TV's vary a LOT. There are some HDR TV's that only offer around 300nits and don't even offer the Wider Colour Gamut and others that offer 2000nits and 100% DCI-P3 colour gamut (wider than REC709 - the standard for SDR but not as wide as REC2020 which is the target for the future).

These sliders tend to be a lot like we have seen in games before for setting brightness and dark levels - a white logo on a white background or black logo on black background and these logo's go 'grey' if not set quite right. The idea is that you adjust the slider until the logo is barely visible which, if you are in a HDR setting on your TV, generally means your TV is set at the brightest it can be.

To access the settings on RDR2, go to the Main menu and then select Settings > Display > HDR Calibration. Adjust according to taste - They recommend 300 for OLEDs and 100 for LED's but OLEDs are pretty consistently between 600-750nits and LED's can vary from 300-2000nits so if you own an LED, you may need to adjust this depending on the 'quality' of your LED TV.

Anyway, hope that helps...

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RogerRoger

@LN78 Thanks for your wider response; I've been keeping an eye on user reviews and this topic in particular (it's why I saw your question and felt I might be able to help). I'd like to get a broader impression of the game beyond the critics, and will obviously track things like "What Are You Playing?" for the next couple weeks / months as people get further. Here's hoping your love for it remains as you continue.

And yeah, it's rare that I get all fired up about things like that, but I did try to add a note of finality to my comment this morning. I've said all I think I can say now; thanks for the heads-up all the same.

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kyleforrester87

@LN78 the colours seen to pop a bit more with it off but you lose a lot more detail in the highs and lows obviously. I dunno, I quite like it on, you could call it washed out I guess but it seems more natural and realistic to me.

I'll try playing with it off for a bit anyway lol

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Th3solution

I haven’t started the game yet, as I’m still finishing up some other games first, but I’m curious — has anyone who’s playing this also played Kingdom Come Deliverance? I have not played it either but have been eyeing it for a deep sale price. It apparently is a large open story drive RPG with deep simulation mechanics also. Obviously it’s set in Medieval Europe and not the 1900s American Frontier, but I was curious how the two compare strictly gameplay-wise.

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Th3solution

@beemo I see. Thanks, I was curious because of the life sim elements (bathing, shaving, eating, etc) and how with KCD it was said that it was impressive but quite tedious. I’m under the impression that the sim mechanics are a little less critical in RDR2. I’m not sure how I feel about them yet, but we’ll see. Some people enjoy the immersion, some people feel it monotonous and detracting from getting to the ‘fun’ parts of the game. Another recent example is Shenmue. Also a game I’ve held off getting due to people say it’s ‘boring’ if they don’t enjoy the intricate world building and simulation.
If I was to guess, RDR2 seems to strike a pretty good balance between immersive simulation and not getting lost in the tedium.

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JohnnyShoulder

@Th3solution I think I might fall into that group of people. As much as I liked the first RDR, a lot of the side activities felt like a chore to do. I was the same with the stuff in Skyrim too. There is finding a right balance of being realistic v being fun to play. And I see all the things you can do in RDR 2 and get a bit intimidated by it all.

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Kidfried

@Th3solution I think Red Dead Redemption 2 strikes a great balance with regards to the sim stuff and keeping it fun. However, it will not be able to please anyone for a simple reason: it's been designed to be played slow.

The game's not a rollercoaster like Bloodborne or Uncharted 4, but was basically designed with the mindset that players want to be in this world, invest in its world, and stay there for as long as possible.

One of the highlights in the game so far has been playing domino's in my settlement. A game took me about 20 minutes, but I enjoyed how the characters made some small talks during the game, and just how relaxing it was. It was also great to talk to this character again later that day, who then told me how much she would have liked to win.

Another highlight has been sitting near the campfire in my camp on a random moment, just enjoying the nightfall and different people shuffling in to share stories.

That is for me the reason to play this game. It feels great to be in this other place. But it won't appeal to everyone.

Obviously, I'm in love with this game and will share maybe some more impressions later.

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Tjuz

@Kidfried Great thoughts! I've still been on the fence about getting it, but what you described actually sounds very fun to me. I'm glad the camplife holds up, since it's one of the main reasons I was interested. I haven't seen much talk on the main story overall though. How is your experience with the main story so far? Does it add to the camplife or is it more a distraction from it? I appreciate any thoughts, as the quality of the main story is still one of the things that's keeping me on the fence for now.

Also, could I play this without playing the first one? I'm assuming you can since it's a prequel. I was actually thinking I'd try the franchise in chronological order for fun, but obviously I don't wanna ruin my experience with RDR2 by doing so.

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andreoni79

I'm reading elsewhere of a poor wanted system, where main missions can be screwed, for example, just by an animal crossing the road: if your horse accidentally kill it, then you get bullets on the back by officers even in a deserted road... I bet it's a 0,01% chance, but how good/bad really is the wanted system?

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Gremio108

@andreoni79 This has happened to my wife several times. We're doing a sort-of joint playthrough, by that I mean she occasionally jumps in and plays for a bit. Whenever she takes over, the sort of event you've described happens. I don't think I've ever seen anyone cause so much unintentional chaos in a videogame.

She's an experienced gamer, she's no noob (as the kids say) but she tends to play games at a quicker pace than me. I think the game perhaps rewards slower play. For example, a situation escalated after she accidentally trampled someone's dog with her horse (don't ask). Whereas with me, I'd have properly hitched my horse at the hitching post on the edge of the settlement, like a good, responsible cowboy.

It's one of the most immersive games ever and I love it for that, but it could be too immersive for some. It makes for some hilarious moments when she's playing, although I imagine it wouldn't be quite as hilarious mid-mission.

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Kidfried

@Tjuz To answer your questions:

From what I've played so far the story really holds up, and it's tied in to the whole camplife thing too. The writing is better than any Rockstar game Ive played so far, so that's a relief. They went for a more grounded story, and that works great. You can clearly tell there has been put in a lot of thought.

Everything in the game is nicely connected, which helps the immersion. Money you collect from missions actually goes into your camp's saving box. So these things (story and side missions) often feel pretty connected.

As someone who played and finished the first Red Dead more than a couple of times, I feel safe to say you don't need any of the background. There have been some winks and nods to RDR1, but it's nothing more than that.. You're fine playing in whatever order really.

Although going back to RDR1 after RDR2 will probably be difficult, because that game will feel like a huge step back in comparison.

Also, for all praise I'm giving the game, and will in the future, the game is not perfect. Like GTA5, RDR and all Rockstar Games before then, they are ambitious enough for you to forgive then the somewhat clunky controls, and some other stuff.

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andreoni79

@Gremio108 Thanks! I'm not scared by slow paced games (I slowly crawled through all the air conducts and under all the desks in the superb Alien Isolation) but I fear at the moment the wanted level is held hostage by all the many parameters that rules the RDR2 world. I'll wait for some other patches because I don't want minor issues to ruin the magic...

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ApostateMage

I love coming home to the gang at the campfire after being away hunting for days (that day/night cycle is rapid). I especially love the way that each character remembers how Arthur treats them. For example, I was teasing one of the girls and the following morning she asked if I was going to be nice to her today. It's very immersive.

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Kidfried

@ApostateMage That's so good, right? I love how the game is helping you "make believe" it's all real with all those small details.

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carlos82

@LN78 @kyleforrester87 @BAMozzy Digital Foundry have examined the HDR and essentially said that it is basically SDR upscaled, so that scaler just changes the white balance and all of the lighting levels are completely incorrect for a HDR display. I thought I was going mad with this game constantly adjusting it and I even booted up Horizon to see if I'd done something with the TV but that looked incredible, I've turned the HDR off now and it doesn't look much different.

I do find it strange that such a high profile big budget game has issues like this and the dodgy 4K reconstruction on the Pro

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carlos82

@LN78 a little bit, I know they sometimes do have a separate video for HDR but for something so obvious it seems strange not to even mention it

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