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Jaz007

@themcnoisy Was Ryuji not your total bro by the end? I felt like some of the characters were okay at first, but they grew on me until they felt real by the end.

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KratosMD

@Jaz007 I feel the same as @themcnoisy and I think it's due to how serious all the characters are in comparison to the cheerful cast of Persona 4. I've been playing Persona 4: Dancing All Night lately and it made me remember that literally all the members in P4 are hilarious and jolly, while the P5 members rarely crack a smile even. Yusuke, Makoto, Haru, Morgana, even Ann felt way too serious most of the times. Futaba is pretty much the only one that isn't like that, which is why she's my favourite character in P5.

I also didn't feel like Ryuji was my bro in the game. He keeps calling you "leader" which means that we're not on equal ground, and barely gets deep with you throughout his social link. Yosuke from P4 on the other hand is a total bro(suke). He's always calling you "partner" which means that both of us are on an equal level and that makes him way more of a bro to you. And like I said, all the P4 members are so cheerful, including Yosuke, which makes him the perfect bro, while Ryuji often feels like he doesn't really care much about you. I also think Ryuji's "bro position" gets ruined because he inherited Kanji's (from P4) rebellious nature, while Yosuke is simply a chill dude.

I hope you get to play Persona 4 Golden someday @Jaz007 because I honestly want you to experience the P4 cast. The Investigation Team is so much more likeable than the Phantom Thieves, in my opinion. Not to mention that there's a dynamic going on between most pairs in the team.

If I had to compare the characters:

Teddie > Morgana
Futaba > Chie
Yukiko > Haru
Yosuke > Ryuji
Kanji > Yusuke
Rise > Ann
Makoto > Naoto

I pretty much only liked two P5 characters over their counterparts in P4 basically.

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Jaz007

@KratosMD One day I will play P4 for sure, but to me it all felt right with the balance of seriousness/funny. To me I felt like it was deep with his social link too. It all felt rather reminiscent of real life with the tone too and seriousness too, they were laughing when something too serious wasn’t the subject, and it felt right. I also don’t mind him calling you leader because I felt equal on any ground outside of phantom thief business, which being the leader in general always throws a small hitch in, but appropriately so. And then I’m not sure I’d say I felt superior in a sense either. Maybe just smarter, but that’s separate.
Of course I can’t speak fully since I haven’t played P4 yet, but it wouldn’t surprise me if I sill liked P5 more.

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KratosMD

@Jaz007 I don't know man, even from day one when I played Persona 5 for the first time I realised that there was going to be a different, more mature/serious feel to the game compared to P4 and I wasn't wrong. It just didn't feel like a series I could relax with anymore, since the game wasn't making me cheery at all and kept introducing more things to worry about in regards to the story. Even the vacation sections kept getting interrupted with more plot events.

The Persona series to me is all about hanging out with friends and enjoying your school life on one side, then solving mysteries and travelling to dungeons on the other, and not having those two aspects intertwine with each other. But with P5 the school life kept getting interrupted with Phantom Thieves here, Phantom Thieves there and so it didn't feel relaxing for me anymore. I kept getting stressed out by all these interruptions.

That's why I'm really hoping that Atlus will release a remaster of Persona 3 on PS4 soon. I played that game briefly a while back and it definitely felt more like Persona 4 in terms of separating school life and story neatly. I think I'd definitely like that game more than P5 when it comes to that at least.

KratosMD

Jaz007

@KratosMD It also probably helps that P5 was my first game then. Because you had different expectations, it was a little jarring for you, but for me, P5 set the expectations I will have for the series. I expect something serious that will tackle hard thems in life and have me really bond with the cast. I expect funny moments too, because P5 is far from all seriousness, but it set the balance I’ll think when I think of Persona. I think when you have a series like this, the first one you play has a big effect on which one will be your favorite.

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themcnoisy

@Jaz007 " I think when you have a series like this, the first one you play has a big effect on which one will be your favorite."

Absolutely this. In fact if you jumped to P4 after P5 you would be disappointed for other reasons graphics, dungeons etc.

P4 was so funny at times though, like laugh out loud funny. @KratosMD mentioned 18 months ago that it was like being good friends with the team, and that's exactly how it is. I felt part of the group. Wherever that was through better writing or more likeable characters I don't know. I look back on P4 and remember most of the characters and how I felt about them. In P5 I preferred the peripheral characters all in all.

Either way its like comparing a Focus ST to a Golf GT TDI. The are both great. (first analogy that came into my head as I've got a Golf courtesy car until Saturday when I get my car back / it's in service)

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Throb

I really must get back in to this game but every time I load it back up, i'm still stuck on what to do next. I can't exactly remember what I was told to do next but it was something like 'Share your success somewhere' and I can't for the life of me find out what that means. I'll try again later...

Can't think of anything good to put here just yet, watch this space...

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Th3solution

@Throb I’m the same. I abandoned the game partway through and have trouble getting back into it. I actually stopped in the middle of a palace, the 3rd one I think. I fully intend to finish the game, but you know what they say about good intentions...
But in relation to the discussion about P4 vs P5, I actually played P4G in a similar way as I’ve played P5 — that is, I spread it out over a couple years. In fact, looking at my trophies, the time lapse from my first trophy to my last in P4G is a span of 3.5 years. So when I look and see that my first trophy for P5 was 1.5 years ago, then I suppose I’m not too far off, but it does feel slightly like P5 is a little harder to “get into” and be engaged with as compared to its older sibling P4G. I can’t say I like the cast any less, but I’d probably end up with a list similar to @KratosMD ‘s where it’s a split of some characters are better from P4 and some are better from P5. The protagonist is better in P4, so that might be why it seems like the whole cast is better.
There’s no question that P5 is a more polished overall product, simply comparing a game running on Vita specs vs. PS4 hardware. But even technological advances aside, the art design of P5 is superior. You’d be hard pressed to find a more flashy and brilliant presentation for a game of any genre in any generation. P5 visually just impressed in a way that few games do.

As a follow up (and I apologize for the long winded post), I was able to find a physical copy of Persona 4 Dancing All Night and I grabbed it the other day. I had told myself not to buy any games due to the large backlog I am encumbered with, but I don’t listen to myself very well, apparently. I told myself that the game is pretty hard to find in physical cartridge form and with the impending death of the Vita, the rarity will just go up. And it was only $20. If I hate it, I’m pretty sure I can recoup most of that investment back when I resell it, given it’s rarity.

(As a funny side note, Vita games are becoming so scarce at retail and many GameStops are just taking down the already small Vita shelf space, and if there is a Vita section, it is often just one short shelf collection of about 10 sad lonely games. Well, the funny part was when I went to this particular store, I asked the worker where the Vita section was and he said, “Oh, just a second...” and he went into the back and literally came back with a shoebox of about 15 games and he said, “Here it is.”
A shoebox. 😂 It just struck me as funny because this was a really nice GameStop with all the fancy displays, not one of those back alley local mom-and-pop stores. And yet it felt like I was making a black market exchange for some kind of illegal contraband. The whole feeling of prohibition was further enhanced by the fact that in the box was one of the last remaining copies of P4DAN out in the wild, so I decided I better nab it. Probably the fact that they kept the Vita games in a shoebox in the back helped my cause, since few people would have seen the game unless they specifically asked for it.)

Anyways...again, sorry for the long boring post. 😛

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Fight_Sora_Fight

I don’t know...the cheery/silly-ness is what turned me off P4.
It was particularly disappointing as I had just come of P3- which remains my favourite cast/story to date.
It’s good...but it felt very cookie cutter JRPG to me.
I hope the Persona team keeps exploring ‘dark’ themes.

Having said that, I enjoyed the story in P4 Dancing All Night.

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KratosMD

@Th3solution Nice that you managed to find a copy of DAN, for $20 I think it's definitely worth the money. I've been really enjoying the game these past few weeks and I've come to discover so many new songs that I absolutely adore now. You should give the game a try sometimes and see if the music interests you as well.

I agree that overall, Persona 5 is the better package. Better graphics, presentation, dungeons etc. But all that doesn't really matter to me since what matters most is the attachment I have to the game and its characters. You can give me a stylish presentation and well-crafted dungeons all you want, but if you can't make me enjoy the cast, like literally become immersed in their universe and feel like I'm there with them and becoming friends with them, then the game has done a poor job.

But like others have mentioned, it could be that P4G was simply my first Persona game and that I really took my time with it unlike P5. But I honestly didn't like a lot of the characters in P5 and I wouldn't call them my friends. Even having Makoto as my girlfriend didn't feel satisfying at all, unlike Rise. I still remember becoming so giddy when talking to Rise in P4G lol. I didn't feel like that at all with Makoto, sadly.

It just feels like Persona 4 had that teenage excitement while Persona 5 had a more grown-up feeling. And I prefer the former one without a question.

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Th3solution

@KratosMD I do the harem approach in my Persona games, so hard for me to say, but I did like Rise probably better than any of the P5 options so far (again, I’m less than halfway through it though so I haven’t met some of the characters yet) maybe because of her pop star status it felt more like a privileged to be able to romance her 😅. Of course Ann is a model, so has a similar celebrity status but clearly not as much as Rise. Chie was a neat romance too because her being more of a outspoken Tom-boy and into Kung-Fu and all, but then as you get closer to her she has that real sweet feminine side to her which was satisfying to bring out.
I just like to see all the deeper character arcs so I just romance everyone. 😂. Apparently I’ll pay for it when I get to Valentines Day in P5.

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KratosMD

@Th3solution It also helped that Rise was really into the protagonist as well. I think that's what made me like her the most since she was actually interested in him. Ann on the other hand, while still having the Lovers arcana like Rise, wasn't into the protagonist at all, which was a turn-off for me. Not to mention how serious she would be a lot of the times, while Rise was always so happy to be around the protagonist. It's like they were both at complete opposite ends of the spectrum.

Also, I felt like Valentine's Day in P5 was highly underwhelming. In P4G you actually went somewhere romantic with your girlfriend, while in P5 you stayed at home, lol. It was so disappointing, you're not going to miss out on much honestly.

KratosMD

DerMeister

@KratosMD Honestly, Persona 4 was an oddball in the series. Most of the Persona games have had serious themes and analysis, and it's parent series Shin Megami Tensei, is far from happy and cheery. Not saying P4 isn't serious (It definitely was at times), but taking P4's central themes (truth) and comparing them to 3 & 5 (death and rebellion, respectively), and it's literally day and night. Nothing wrong with preferring P4, but I feel comparing the other titles to it so much is just going to leave you disappointed, since P4 was the different one out of the whole lineup.

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themcnoisy

@DerMeister 'I feel comparing the other titles to it so much is just going to leave you disappointed, since P4 was the different one out of the whole lineup.'

Now I feel depressed. Tbh Im glad I had the chance to play and enjoy both 4 and 5.


@Th3solution @KratosMD Chie was my girlfriend in P4G. Low maintenance and into Martial Arts. Win win.

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Th3solution

@themcnoisy True. So how about P5? I’m guessing you went with Makoto. Biker girl is the closest thing to Martial arts enthusiast.

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Throb

I managed to get a bit further in to the game! Now i can't remember how all the system stuff works!!! Is there any way to make the maps any clearer or is there a marker to show where objectives are?

Can't think of anything good to put here just yet, watch this space...

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KratosMD

@Throb You basically make the maps clearer by exploring and unlocking that information for yourself. For example, if you try to go through a locked door, the map will be updated with a red cross on that door telling you that you can't go through it. Or when you find a safe room, the map will be updated to tell you that with an "S".

Otherwise it shouldn't be that hard to navigate. The maps will show you where you haven't been yet so just explore everything and you should eventually find your way to the end.

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Throb

@KratosMD Thanks but the dungeon maps are okay for me, it's the city locations and icons that don't make much sense. There's no legend or descriptions. I've also got to remember what Confidants are, what Mementos i've collected, what Summons i've got etc too

Can't think of anything good to put here just yet, watch this space...

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KratosMD

@Throb Oh sorry I didn't realise that was what you were referring to. In terms of the city map, just press the square button in order bring up lists of which confidants are available at a certain location (press square while the map is open that is). You'll also see a blue card next to a location whenever there's at least one confidant there. And I mean yeah you need to remember specifically where they are in that area but that's not too hard since you don't start off with that many confidants in the beginning of the game. Also remember that you can fast travel to any specific area you've already visited, so if you want to go somewhere in particular you just press 'R1' and travel there instantly. But you must've gone there at least once before.

You can easily see requests for Mementos from the menu so you shouldn't need to remember which ones you have active at all. Just go to "Request" on the menu. In terms of which Personas you've owned, you can see that from the Persona compendium in the Velvet room (which is accessible in an alleyway in Shibuya). All the ones you have in your party can also be viewed from the menu under "Personas". As a bonus tip, you don't need to worry about getting rid of Personas if your party is full. You can call them back at anytime through the Persona compendium for a certain fee.

Another bonus tip is to always keep Personas with arcanas that match your confidants around. So if you want to hang out with Ryuji (who has the Chariot arcana), keep a Persona with the Chariot arcana in your party. That will net you more bonus points with him and help you level him up faster.

Apologies if anything is unclear. It's been months since I've played the game and since my save file is gone I can't really go back and double-check stuff.

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Throb

@KratosMD That's brilliant information, thank you

Can't think of anything good to put here just yet, watch this space...

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