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RogerRoger

@Jaz007 Thanks for pulling all this together, and for coming up with a fair and straightforward system for calculating our team's final categorisations. I like this method; it keeps our debates separate from any fiddling or number-crunching tactical voting down the line (not that I think my esteemed comrades would ever do such things).

Sorry again for not posting much; I'm hoping to be around a little more soon, especially now I've got a phone which doesn't brick on me on any random battery percentage below three-quarters.

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TowaHerschel7

@Jaz007 Houston we have a problem. This is my debut week and I never played any of the games we're voting on this week. I'm off to a great start! (^_^)/

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LieutenantFatman

Your team has a pretty nice list of games this round, I need to remember to follow the conversation on ths one.

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themcnoisy

@TowaHerschel7 don't worry you are in the team. As for the games you have played don't worry that will happen we are rating every retail ps3 game.

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Nintendo 2017: Super Mario Bros 3
Playstation 2016: Uncharted 2
Multiplat 2015: Final Fantasy 7

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themcnoisy

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My initial impressions.

Cartoon Network: Punch Time Explosion XL Papaya Studio - Not important

Castlevania: Lords of Shadow MercurySteam / Kojima Productions -Existing

Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 MercurySteam / Kojima Productions - Important

Catherine Atlus Persona Team - Important

Chaotic: Shadow Warriors FUN Labs - Pointless

Champion Jockey: G1 Jockey & Gallop Racer Koei - Existing

🎮 Child of Eden Q Entertainment - Important

🎮 Civilization Revolution Firaxis Games - Important

Clash of the Titans Bandai Namco -?
Clive Barker's Jericho Mercury's team -?

Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs Ubisoft Shanghai - Not Important

🎮 Colin McRae: Dirt Code masters - Existing

Colin McRae: Dirt 2 Code masters - Important

College Hoops 2K7 Visual Concepts - Important

College Hoops 2K8 Visual Concepts - Existing

🎮 Command & Conquer: Red Alert 3 EA Los Angeles - Important

Conan Nihilistic Software -?

🎮 Condemned 2: Bloodshot Monolith Productions - Important

Conflict: Denied Ops Pivotal Games -?

Crash Time 4: The Syndicate Synetic - Pointless

Crash Time 5 Synetic -?

Create EA Bright Light - Important

Cross Edge Compile Heart - Pointless (this is one of the worst games on PS3 for every criteria)

🎮 Crysis 2 Crytek - Important

Crysis 3 Crytek - Very Important

🎮 CSI: Fatal Conspiracy Ubisoft Montreal - Existing

Cyberbike 2 EKO Software - ?

Damage Inc. Pacific Squadron WWII Trickstar Games -?

Damnation Blue Omega Entertainment -?

🎮 Dance Dance Revolution Konami - Very Important

DanceDance Revolution New Moves Konami - Existing

Dance! It's Your Stage Neopica -?

Dance Magic Targem Games - Existing

Dance on Broadway Ubisoft - Pointless

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Forum Best Game of All Time Awards

Multiplat 2018: Horizon Zero Dawn
Nintendo 2017: Super Mario Bros 3
Playstation 2016: Uncharted 2
Multiplat 2015: Final Fantasy 7

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themcnoisy

@LieutenantFatman feel free my man.

Forum Best Game of All Time Awards

Multiplat 2018: Horizon Zero Dawn
Nintendo 2017: Super Mario Bros 3
Playstation 2016: Uncharted 2
Multiplat 2015: Final Fantasy 7

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Th3solution

So, I’ll start with the couple games I have played —
Castlevania Lords of Shadow. It seems a long time since I played this, but I remember having a favorable time with it, but honestly it really didn’t leave a very lasting impression. I’m not particularly a Castlevania fan (Metroidvania games frustrate me) but Lords of Shadow was completely different in that it’s a 3D linear action-adventure game. It really was a ‘Castlevania’ game in name only and borrowing some of the shared world, characters, and themes. I think many Castlevania purists hold some disdain for it because it did take the series in a different direction. But ultimately, I seem to recall it as one of sevral God of War clones that clamored to tap into that quick paced action combat with fantastical creature enemies. Kind of like Darksiders, Dante’s Inferno, Devil May Cry, etc.
A 85 on Metacritic is nothing to sneeze at though.

Importance to gaming - very little. No real innovation here that I’m aware of.
Technical achievement - average. The combat with the chain whip was pretty fun, and I think the game’s mechanics ran smoothly, but I don’t remember it overachieving.
Artistic Merit - maybe slightly above average. I remember the setting and art design to be pretty good.
Personal opinion - average. A decent time, like I said, but ultimately forgettable.

I did not play the sequel Lords of Shadow 2. Apparently it’s major accomplishment was to wrap up the narrative (which I don’t remember the story at all) and went from a linear path to more of an open world, while keeping much of the combat and upgrade mechanics. (A similar development akin to Batman Arkham Asylum leading to Arkham City). Overall I think it was more of a technical achievement, but still mostly borrowing from innovations and mechanics that other franchises either did first or did better. It is rated a 63 on Metacritic, but has a wide variance of critical reception.

Interestingly, I didn’t realize that these are Hideo Kojima projects. Not that it makes a difference, but I think the game’s are rather pedestrian in comparison to his other work.

I’d probably say “existing” for both. One could make an argument that the first game might have been “important” for the sheer fact that it was a Castlevania game rebooted for the modern era, but like I said, I think it lost a little of its roots in the process of transforming to the 3D realm. I’d be interested if others played it and have any thoughts.

Catherine is the only other game I played.
Importance to gaming - fairly substantial given its ground breaking themes and unique gameplay
Technical achievement - probably average, with gameplay, cutscene, gameplay, cutscene, etc
Artistic merit - pretty high. Great visual style and such unique design choices
Personal opinion - good to above average, if nothing else than to experience something different. The puzzle gameplay was good but could be frustrating.

I’d put it at ‘Important’ probably.

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themcnoisy

@Th3solution great round up on Castlevania. Im not a fan of the series which is strange as a long time gamer. I'm unsure what it is about them, maybe the aesthetic but I just can't muster any motivation to play them.

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Nintendo 2017: Super Mario Bros 3
Playstation 2016: Uncharted 2
Multiplat 2015: Final Fantasy 7

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Th3solution

@themcnoisy Yeah, I tried playing Symphony of the Night once and I just couldn’t get into it either. I’d say I personally enjoyed Lords of Shadow more than it, but that’s strictly a personal preference issue and I don’t discount the seminal greatness that Symphony of the Night is. It’s just not my cup o’ tea. And you’re right - the whole Dracula story should be more compelling, but I can’t muster much interest in the world.

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The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

RogerRoger

@TowaHerschel7 Apologies; I've gone back and edited the first post. Welcome aboard!

As for our current list, I'm gonna have to give them some serious consideration, as I've never played any of them before either. Thanks to @Th3solution for the excellent start; I'll read through that and do some research before offering my rankings, but I'm gonna defer to / support everybody else this week, since I haven't had any direct experience to draw from.

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mookysam

Hope I'm not stepping on anyone's toes here! The game isn't on my team's list but I would like to put forward my view on Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 to give a different perspective on the game and hopefully help in your decision making. Feel completely free to disregard this though.
Few people played it (the game bombed) and the critical reception from many major outlets was poor, although Metacritic does show a wide range of scores. I loved it though and feel it is one of the most underrated games on the PS3/360.

The combat is definitely the games biggest strength. It's very flowing, rhythmic and feels natural and weighty, with good feedback. That's not to say it's slow, as it paces itself quite nicely. Additionally, combos are fun and extremely satisfying to pull off. I'd say it's an improvement over the system in the first Lords of Shadow, so for those here who played that game, hopefully you have some idea of what it was like in Lords of Shadow 2. The upgrade system is also quite organic and dynamic in how it encourages various combos to be used.
Dracula has a wide array of vampiric abilities, including being able to turn into a bat, mist and suck the blood of weakened foes. Carefully using each of these further builds on the base combat.

The stealth in the game was much maligned, but I will maintain until my dying breath that reviewers simply weren't playing it properly. Additionally, there are only a couple of mandatory stealth sections. No, they're not amazing, but they don't particularly drag the title down, either.

The game is quite nice looking - particularly the castle sections, with its gothic architecture and gorgeous lighting. Indeed, Dracula's Castle sections are a highlight and I really enjoyed those parts of the game. Much of the city is quite lacking in visual diversity, however. Nevertheless, exploring and unlocking more of the city was reasonably enjoyable. Half the fun for me in these types of games is exploring the whole map and finding upgrades.

The first Lords of Shadow had a straight "level based" structure, and you simply went from point A to point B. Lords of Shadow 2 eschewed this for an open world structure. Thankfully the map is manageable, unfolds at a nice pace, and is nicely designed. It's not pure "Metroidvania" in design, but is certainly closer to that mould than the God of War-esque Lords of Shadow 1. Interestingly, a good point of reference for those who haven't played the game would be the 2018 God of War. It's similarly structured and also uses light puzzles and upgrades to unlock more of the map and find secrets and upgrades.

Lords of Shadow 2 has an all-star voice cast led by Patrick Stewart, Robert Carlyle, Natascha McElhone, Jason Isaacs (Lucius Malfoy). It's all quite hammy and overly theatrical, but they're having fun with the silly script. Robert Carlyle's Dracula does sound a little bored, however.

The game is unfortunately a little buggy. Most the time it runs and plays nicely, but I did encounter a couple of hard crashes on the 360. There was a sound glitch in one cut scene that would crash the system. It could only be averted by pressing the dashboard button as the scene started playing. I don't know the situation on the PS3, however.

Anyhoo, I don't feel the game was worthy of the derision it received. As a very late-gen title (2014) it was always bound to be overlooked in favour of the new PS4 offerings. It's not perfect and I wouldn't say it is an essential play, but it was deserving of more attention and remains a fun hack n slash title that I really enjoyed.

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Frigate

No Very Important titles for me again this round though there are some excellent games. I am beginning to wonder if I'm holding too high of a standard for the Very Important rank. Nevertheless, I'll have a roundup later in the week.

Frigate

themcnoisy

@Frigate You could be. Either way I can't wait to hear your summary of the games.

Forum Best Game of All Time Awards

Multiplat 2018: Horizon Zero Dawn
Nintendo 2017: Super Mario Bros 3
Playstation 2016: Uncharted 2
Multiplat 2015: Final Fantasy 7

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themcnoisy

@mookysam Thank you very much and I have edited my initial impressions with that recommendation.

Forum Best Game of All Time Awards

Multiplat 2018: Horizon Zero Dawn
Nintendo 2017: Super Mario Bros 3
Playstation 2016: Uncharted 2
Multiplat 2015: Final Fantasy 7

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Th3solution

@mookysam Thanks, man! A much more detailed and passionate summary than my post. I had it as existing, and perhaps it needs more credence. By virtue of no one playing it, I think it is a hard to say it’s ‘very important’. Maybe important? I’ll mull it over.

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