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Th3solution

@RogerRoger Yeah, it’s hard to not have personal bias affect judgement of these games. I respect those that enjoy games with questionable edginess and I hold to the theory that games are an art form and deserve some degree of expressive leeway, and also that games are a form of escape and fantasy; the average player won’t become a mass murderer, car thief, rapist, or drug addict by playing them, but some games and some people push the boundaries just for the sake of creating a firestorm of controversy. I’m not saying Saints Row did this, but the series did garner a lot of free marketing due to some of the controversy created. And I know there is some mindless fun to be had in these games, even if some of the actual mission titles and gameplay mechanics are so far out there that I’d get banned from Push Square for just typing them here. 😅

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The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

themcnoisy

@Th3solution Saint Seiya soldiers soul is one of the hardest games I have ever played on Ps4. Unfairly difficult. I am unsure if that was just me not understanding the gameplay, as if you could play the game without being handed a beating, there is a ton of content.

Forum Best Game of All Time Awards

PS3 Megathread 2019: The Last of Us
Multiplat 2018: Horizon Zero Dawn
Nintendo 2017: Super Mario Bros 3
Playstation 2016: Uncharted 2
Multiplat 2015: Final Fantasy 7

PSN: mc_noisy

Th3solution

@themcnoisy Would you agree with ‘Existing’ according to our criteria? By my research it seemed to be the most well developed of the bunch.

The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

RogerRoger

@Th3solution RE: Saints Row, you and I are definitely on the same page.

Although I'm tempted to believe that, of all the games out there which are controversial for the sake of controversy, Saints Row stands tall. But then I've never played one myself, so I'm gonna take that assumption and lock it away for the duration of this round.

PSN ID: GDS_2421
Making It So Since 1987

themcnoisy

@Th3solution spot on with existing, towards the bottom of the existing games mind. Thanks for the research bro.

Forum Best Game of All Time Awards

PS3 Megathread 2019: The Last of Us
Multiplat 2018: Horizon Zero Dawn
Nintendo 2017: Super Mario Bros 3
Playstation 2016: Uncharted 2
Multiplat 2015: Final Fantasy 7

PSN: mc_noisy

Arugula

Weak week.🤦‍♂️

Rock Revolution Zoë Mode Pointless
Rocksmith Ubisoft Montreal Important
Rocksmith 2014 Ubisoft San Francisco Existing
🎮Rogue Warrior Zombie Studios / Rebellion Developments Existing
Rugby League Live Big Ant Studios Not Important
Rugby League Live 2 Big Ant Studios Not Important
Rugby League Live 3 Big Ant Studios Not Important
Rugby World Cup 2011 Big Ant Studios Not Important
Rune Factory: Tides of Destiny Neverland Co. Existing
🎮The Saboteur Pandemic Studios Very Very Extremely Important *Some possible bias here...
🎮Sacred 2: Fallen Angel Ascaron Entertainment Important
Sacred 3 Keen Games Existing
Going along with the thoughts of our esteemed stand-in leader for the next 3.
Saint Seiya: Brave Soldiers Dimps Corporation Pointless
Saint Seiya: Sanctuary Battle Dimps Corporation Not Important
Saint Seiya: Soldiers' Soul Dimps Corporation Existing
This next series is a little OTT for me so not sure how to rate it. Solid games, just not very appealing on any level personally.
Saints Row 2 Volition Important
Saints Row: The Third Volition Important
Saints Row IV Volition Existing
🎮Saw Zombie Studios Important
Saw II Zombie Studios Existing
SBK-08: Superbike World Championship Milestone Not Important
SBK-09: Superbike World Championship Milestone Existing

I wash my hands of this bunch. Done and done.

Arugula

themcnoisy

Rock Revolution Zoë Mode Pointless
Rocksmith Ubisoft Montreal Important
🎮 Rocksmith 2014 Ubisoft San Francisco Important
Rogue Warrior Zombie Studios / Rebellion Developments Existing
Rugby League Live Big Ant Studios Not Important
Rugby League Live 2 Big Ant Studios Pointless
Rugby League Live 3 Big Ant Studios Not Important
Rugby World Cup 2011 Big Ant Studios Not Important
Rune Factory: Tides of Destiny Neverland Co. Existing
The Saboteur Pandemic Studios Important
Sacred 2: Fallen Angel Ascaron Entertainment Important
Sacred 3 Keen Games Existing
Saint Seiya: Brave Soldiers Dimps Corporation Pointless
Saint Seiya: Sanctuary Battle Dimps Corporation Not Important
🎮 Saint Seiya: Soldiers' Soul Dimps Corporation Existing
Saints Row 2 Volition Important
🎮 Saints Row: The Third Volition Existing
Saints Row IV Volition Existing
Saw Zombie Studios Existing
Saw II Zombie Studios Not Important
SBK-08: Superbike World Championship Milestone Not Important
SBK-09: Superbike World Championship Milestone Existing


Mostly the same as @frigate bar a few tweaks. I would place Rocksmith 2014 as Very Important except for one important point. For those out if the know Rocksmith ruined the guitar game with a plastic controller as you can use your own guitar. You then learn the song for real!

It made the other games look pointless to a degree. The updated Rocksmith was a complete overhaul of the interface and you could play all of the songs from the original if you purchased both, it is more of a learning tool and it failed to sell on ps3 but has quite the legacy on PC.

Forum Best Game of All Time Awards

PS3 Megathread 2019: The Last of Us
Multiplat 2018: Horizon Zero Dawn
Nintendo 2017: Super Mario Bros 3
Playstation 2016: Uncharted 2
Multiplat 2015: Final Fantasy 7

PSN: mc_noisy

Th3solution

We’ve got a couple of votes in. Any further discussion? We can deliberate and/or finalize voting over the next couple days. Probably want to wrap up a team submission by Sunday.

The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

RogerRoger

With the solid research on the previous page, and with a couple votes in already, I feel like I'm just gonna have to reflect the consensus this week. I tried looking up a few, agreed with the established verdicts and thought "the team's got this one" (and besides, I'm not feeling 100% this week, so it helps my headache not to have to watch gameplay footage of rock music, rugby and superbikes).

Confirming that I've played none of the below. Lock me in please!

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Rock Revolution - Pointless
Rocksmith - Important
Rocksmith 2014 - Important
Rogue Warrior - Existing
Rugby League Live - Not Important
Rugby League Live 2 - Pointless
Rugby League Live 3 - Not Important
Rugby World Cup 2011 - Not Important
Rune Factory: Tides of Destiny - Existing
The Saboteur - Important
Sacred 2: Fallen Angel - Important
Sacred 3 - Existing
Saint Seiya: Brave Soldiers - Pointless
Saint Seiya: Sanctuary Battle - Not Important
Saint Seiya: Soldiers' Soul - Existing
Saints Row 2 - Important
Saints Row: The Third - Important
Saints Row IV - Existing
Saw - Existing
Saw II - Not Important
SBK-08: Superbike World Championship - Not Important
SBK-09: Superbike World Championship - Existing

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Apologies for the quick and dirty vote, but then "quick and dirty" would also seem to be an apt description for many of the games we're considering. Of all the weeks to do this, I reckon this is the most valid.

PSN ID: GDS_2421
Making It So Since 1987

themcnoisy

@RogerRoger quick and dirty - that sums my time up on the xbox 1.

Forum Best Game of All Time Awards

PS3 Megathread 2019: The Last of Us
Multiplat 2018: Horizon Zero Dawn
Nintendo 2017: Super Mario Bros 3
Playstation 2016: Uncharted 2
Multiplat 2015: Final Fantasy 7

PSN: mc_noisy

Th3solution

Rock Revolution Zoë Mode - Pointless
Rocksmith Ubisoft Montreal - Existing
2014 Ubisoft San Francisco - Important
Rogue Warrior Zombie Studios / Rebellion Developments - Pointless
Rugby League Live Big Ant Studios - Not Important
Rugby League Live 2 Big Ant Studios - Pointless
Rugby League Live 3 Big Ant Studios - Not Important
Rugby World Cup 2011 Big Ant Studios - Not Important
Rune Factory: Tides of Destiny Neverland Co. - Existing
The Saboteur Pandemic Studios - Important
Sacred 2: Fallen Angel Ascaron Entertainment - Important
Sacred 3 Keen Games - Existing
Saint Seiya: Brave Soldiers Dimps Corporation - Pointless
Saint Seiya: Sanctuary Battle Dimps Corporation - Not Important
Saint Seiya: Soldiers' Soul Dimps Corporation - Existing
Saints Row 2 Volition - Important
Saints Row: The Third Volition - Important
Saints Row IV Volition - Existing
Saw Zombie Studios - Existing
Saw II Zombie Studios - Not Important
SBK-08: Superbike World Championship Milestone - Not Important
SBK-09: Superbike World Championship Milestone - Existing

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Here are my votes. I give myself no credit for playing any of these, as even my time with Saints Row 3 was limited to a couple hours. I also have gone along with the group consensus for the most part, with just a few exceptions based on some of my own research and memory of hearing things second hand. The only notable one that I feel I am far off the current majority is Rogue Warrior. And all due respect to @Frigate who actually played the game, the research I did show it to be an absolute mess, the very epitome of ‘Pointless’. Affected by developmental difficulties and eventually having a new studio, Rebellion, come in to try to salvage the game, only to seemingly make it infinitely worse. It appears to be a travesty to video gaming. Metacritic is 27. A few of the things said about the game include:
“poor controls, multiple glitches, frequent foul language, rushed production, uninteresting gameplay, short length, very limited multiplayer and broken and exploited combat techniques.”
“A very disappointing game from start to finish, Rogue Warrior is a game that brings nothing new to the genre nor does it make for a fun first-person shooter worth the money. Simply put, this isn’t just an awful shooter but it’s also a terrible game. Sorry, but this is one hero we would like to leave behind."
“Abyssmal, 1.5/10.... with the gunplay being as bad as it is, and the story coming across as a six-year-old’s interpretation of Cold War events.”
Anyway, I usually defer to those that have first hand experience but when the absolute best review I could find is a 2/5 from GamesRadar and the author almost apologetically admits in the article that a 2 was probably a stretch for this game where “Absurd violence and inappropriately harsh language do little to help this lame shooter.”

@Jaz007 Are you back from vacation yet, and if so do you have any votes? You mentioned a couple you’ve played (Sacred 2, Saboteur, and Rocksmith I seem to recall) so just want to give you a chance to chime in and also to regain leadership if you so desire. As the substitute steward of Team 404, I will turn back over the scepter of power whenever you would like. But I’m happy to tally votes and post a final result on the main thread tomorrow if you want me to.

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The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

Arugula

@Th3solution Lol. It wasn't that bad and I like to think it served as inspiration for cappy in Mario Odyssey! I bought the remaster on PS4 too so that shows what I thought but it's not a major concern of mine. As long as the fantastic Saboteur gets its due, I'm happy.

Arugula

Th3solution

@Frigate Ha, ha.. well, I feel bad for dumping on Rogue Warrior, so maybe I need to compensate by escalating my vote for Saboteur. What is it about the game that makes it one of your favorites?

The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

Arugula

@Th3solution Important is probably enough even though it definitely is a favourite of mine. Platinumed it twice, even.

I just loved the setting, the graphical style, the script, story, sound and art direction. Everything about it just resonated with me on a level that so few games do, most recently Days Gone. Back then open world games weren't as common as they are now and Pandemic (RIP) really knew how to throw one together taking the best parts of Assassins Creed and GTA, then putting it in Nazi occupied Paris (mostly) with the unique concept of bringing colour (life) back to the area by fighting back against the oppressive Nazi regime. It did everything so well from traversal to driving and shooting. Very much an all time favourite of mine.

Arugula

Jaz007

@Th3solution Here are my votes. I can count tonight late, but if you want to do so beforehand that’s fine. Next week everything will be back to normal and I’ll be able to take care of being team captain again. You’ve done a great job during this time! Thanks a lot for taking over.
Rock Revolution Zoë Mode Pointless
Rocksmith Ubisoft Montreal Important
Rocksmith 2014 Ubisoft San Francisco Important
Rogue Warrior Zombie Studios / Rebellion Developments Pointless
Rugby League Live Big Ant Studios Not Important
Rugby League Live 2 Big Ant Studios Pointless
Rugby League Live 3 Big Ant Studios Not Important
Rugby World Cup 2011 Big Ant Studios Not Important
Rune Factory: Tides of Destiny Neverland Co. Existing
The Saboteur Pandemic Studios Important
Sacred 2: Fallen Angel Ascaron Entertainment Important
Sacred 3 Keen Games Not important
Saint Seiya: Brave Soldiers Dimps Corporation Not important
Saint Seiya: Sanctuary Battle Dimps Corporation Not Important
Saint Seiya: Soldiers' Soul Dimps Corporation Existing
Saints Row 2 Volition Existing
Saints Row: The Third Volition Important
Saints Row IV Volition Existing
Saw Zombie Studios Existing
Saw II Zombie Studios pointless
SBK-08: Superbike World Championship Milestone Not Important
SBK-09: Superbike World Championship Milestone Existing

Backkoggery ID: Jaz007

Th3solution

@Jaz007 I’ve got it covered today. This is my tally. (And you’re very welcome regarding taking the leadership duties. No problem and I hope your trip was a good one - Airport delays notwithstanding)

Rock Revolution - Pointless
Rocksmith - Important
Rocksmith 2014 - Important
Rogue Warrior - Existing
Rugby League Live - Not Important
Rugby League Live 2 - Pointless
Rugby League Live 3 - Not Important
Rugby World Cup 2011 - Not Important
Rune Factory: Tides of Destiny - Existing
The Saboteur - Important
Sacred 2: Fallen Angel - Important
Sacred 3 - Existing
Saint Seiya: Brave Soldiers - Pointless
Saint Seiya: Sanctuary Battle - Not Important
Saint Seiya: Soldiers' Soul - Existing
Saints Row 2 - Important
Saints Row: The Third - Important
Saints Row IV - Existing
Saw - Existing
Saw II - Not Important
SBK-08: Superbike World Championship - Not Important
SBK-09: Superbike World Championship - Existing

Very Important
NONE

Important
Rocksmith
Rocksmith 2014
The Saboteur
Sacred 2: Fallen Angel
Saints Row 2
Saints Row: The Third

Existing
Rune Factory: Tides of Destiny
Sacred 3
Saint Seiya: Soldiers' Soul
Saints Row IV
Saw
SBK-09: Superbike World Championship

Not Important
Rogue Warrior
Rugby League Live
Rugby League Live 3
Rugby World Cup 2011
Saint Seiya: Sanctuary Battle
Saw II
SBK-08: Superbike World Championship

Pointless
Rock Revolution
Rugby League Live 2
Saint Seiya: Brave Soldiers

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The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

Th3solution

I used a point averaging system on the few games that weren’t clear cut from the voting. I think it turned out fair. If there is no opposition, then I’ll post this on the main thread. Thanks everyone for your efforts on a somewhat underwhelming week of games. I’ll turn the reins over to Capt Jaz for next week.

The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

Th3solution

@RogerRoger ... Well, we didn’t get Star Wars, but we got Sonic. 😃

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